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MS really need to sort out its advertising campaign i think. Im in the UK and its all very quiet over here, those `really` wouldnt want me to buy a wp7. i was in the US and noticed the presence of WP7 a bit more... but still the question is what is the best way to advertise WP7. what would make you think... i want one of those!!!! doh ive clicked the poll button but it wont give me any options to sort the poll help!!! im sure this happened to me last time.
They need to show what the phone does instead of a bunch of people just using it. The big advantage wp7 has its its unique and fluid interface and they need to show this of more.
I also think they should push the zune pass a lot more as for the law abiding music lovers this is the best music service there is. It also would help if the uk got the 10 perminant downloads a month that the usa get.
As for its presence i don't know if i watch different tv to the rest of you (maybe as my wife makes me watch crap) but i see the wp7 adds more then any other phone though the iphone is very close second.
They also need to check the stores as they are not pushing it bar orange who from what i have seen are the only ones clued up and pushing it (even the tv adverts are for the mozart on orange). When i went to the o2 store the display had 2 demo phones but both where vandalized and just left and the display itself was tucked away round a corner. I think they should also send there own reps out to shopping malls like htc are doing for the desire range and push there brand with there own sales people, displays and demo's. Give people a chance to see it and be shown how it works properly they will love it but one thing i get from non phoney people is that it looks different so they don't know if they would be able to use it then once they see how easy it is there hooked but they need to be shown first before they are sure.
i wanted to poll this how can i do it? when i try polling it did not give me options to type what i wanted.
no business users on xda? would have thought that wp7 office would have scored some points. im always using wp7 office i tend not to write stuff on it but use it to transfer documents. come to think of it. wp7 office is the main reason why i stuck with windows mobile in the first place...after having the laggy htc diamond 2 i wanted some slighty bigger and far quicker and was being drawn towards the dark side when wp7 came along. all the other stuff, like zune, xbox live cemented my decision
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davidebanks said:
no business users on xda? would have thought that wp7 office would have scored some points. im always using wp7 office i tend not to write stuff on it but use it to transfer documents. come to think of it. wp7 office is the main reason why i stuck with windows mobile in the first place...after having the laggy htc diamond 2 i wanted some slighty bigger and far quicker and was being drawn towards the dark side when wp7 came along. all the other stuff, like zune, xbox live cemented my decision
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You are right mate. Office is nice. However this should at least match DocsToGo.
It is available for WM and Android.
Current Office is sweet but absolutely too limited.
Seriously, it's not one thing that really sets WP7, it's the INTEGRATION of ALL those things that sets it apart. When I show my focus off to people, I start with the integration with contacts to facebook (that I have their number/email) and show that I can write on their wall, send an email, txt and stuff and if they have an address, how I can quickly map it to Bing and then find directions. Also updating my facebook status and commenting. Then I show them the voice command for search to call people or find a place and directions. The dedicated camera button. Xbox games and it's graphics. I forget to show them Zune (but I don't have a zune pass) besides how if I go to a youtube video that it saves my recent history so I don't have to remember the site. I also show them pics uploading to facebook and show them how my pictures automatically upload to skydrive and tell them about the 25 GB free of online storage.
It's really how all those things come together which is why I love my WP7. It's SYNERGY! lol.
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no business users on xda? would have thought that wp7 office would have scored some points. im always using wp7 office i tend not to write stuff on it but use it to transfer documents. come to think of it. wp7 office is the main reason why i stuck with windows mobile in the first place...after having the laggy htc diamond 2 i wanted some slighty bigger and far quicker and was being drawn towards the dark side when wp7 came along. all the other stuff, like zune, xbox live cemented my decision
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I hope you are not serious about business users. As our Chief Security Officer put it for our CEO and CTO when they brought their wp7 devices to work and wanted integrate them with our Exchange environment: "leave the toys at home".
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I hope you are not serious about business users. As our Chief Security Officer put it for our CEO and CTO when they brought their wp7 devices to work and wanted integrate them with our Exchange environment: "leave the toys at home".
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Puhleeezee....
Forget the rest of the features, it's going to be Xbox Live that sells it to the mainstream.. they've already started advertising this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHNWL-WdzsM
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Puhleeezee....
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Believe it or not but setting AllowSimplePassword was more than enough to violate the security policy enforced http://social.technet.microsoft.com...tions-when-using-windows-phone-7-clients.aspx
The subject of on-device encryption just put a final nail.
It might be ok for small businesses not to care about these policies but large organizations rely on the security provided by the Exchange if they care about security of their email transactions.
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I went into O2 today and asked to see the HTC HD7 (was with a friend and left mine at home). and the guy said, yes, but we also have the iPhone and took us to it without asking me. Which greatly saddened me as the WP7 has better features like (bing search to find places near you faster, back button, smooth/glossy/simple interface, Xbox live, better music marketplace, better SDK ect). but if you don't know much, you would have go to the iPhone. Yet another idiot who doesn't know anything about phones. Selling phones >.<.
All of them partially! I mean none of them separately is SO amazing but TOGETHER...
You don't believe Facebook is the only key selling point.
You may laugh but office IS important too.
The mix is important. Fluid modern OS. And integrity with MS services.
Also the fact that WP7 devices are highend. Good browser and Email. Homescreen.
Its a tough choice I think which comes down to personal preferance at least it shows that wp7 has a lot of good things working for it. Looks like Xbox live is taking a good lead Microsoft would be wise to exploit their Xbox users to give wp7 a good advantage over other phones
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Agree, Lol!
WP7 actually has better Exchange support than Android, and the data on the devices are more secure than on Android devices.
But given who you quoted, I'm not surprised
Looks like I'm only 1 of 2 who voted for the Bing search. I really like the voice integration and the way it gives you the 3 categories. News, web, local.
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Looks like I'm only 1 of 2 who voted for the Bing search. I really like the voice integration and the way it gives you the 3 categories. News, web, local.
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Google has this. The differences are mostly in the user interface. It's not an advantage.
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N8ter said:
Google has this. The differences are mostly in the user interface. It's not an advantage.
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and it's US only.
Fine for most business users
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Believe it or not but setting AllowSimplePassword was more than enough to violate the security policy enforced http://social.technet.microsoft.com...tions-when-using-windows-phone-7-clients.aspx
The subject of on-device encryption just put a final nail.
It might be ok for small businesses not to care about these policies but large organizations rely on the security provided by the Exchange if they care about security of their email transactions.
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Exactly. I own 2 small businesses and WP7 is fine (better that WM and Android for me). I'd wager most WP7 users are not in large corporate environments where email security is on the forefront - I can't imagine anyone hacking my phone for my email.
davidebanks was serious in recommending WP7 for business users. Probably the majority of them, as there are many, many industries with mobile needs that don't need such airtight email security (it can still be fairly secure, btw).
To say that he shouldn't be serious and to quote your Chief Security Officer's cute little one-liner dismissing every device on the platform as a toy is a disservice to those using this tread for what it is intended for. There is a thread comparing WP7 to Android, btw.
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Google has this. The differences are mostly in the user interface. It's not an advantage.
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As in a Google App or Andriod OS?
The slowness of WP continues to disappoint.
In windows mobile we had:
-file system access and USB mass storage (since 2000)
-VPN support (since 2002)
-SIP VOIP (since 2007)
-almost full support for Exchange.
-copy and paste
-multitasking
-directly installable apps
-business-class security features
In 2010 WP7 was released without these features. In 2011 we will have copy and paste and multitasking. This is a diabolically slow rate of progress. Instead, we have play features like twitter support, ability to wave the phone in front of a TV, great.
Businesses are Microsoft's most important and successful market. When will WP support features for businesses and serious users? 2012? 2013?
The slow rate of progress was cemented in Ballmer's speech today. No wonder Nokia's shares continued to fall. Microsoft could have timed basic feature-completeness to coincide with Nokia's entry. Instead, when their phones come out in late 2011, WP7 will still be a toy OS.
Windows mobile was dying. By focusing on consumers Apple was steadily encroaching into the business users. MS had no option but to ditch Windows mobile and go for the consumer market.
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Windows mobile was dying. By focusing on consumers Apple was steadily encroaching into the business users. MS had no option but to ditch Windows mobile and go for the consumer market.
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Honestly, I think windows mobile just need to be refined. It was lacking stability and user interface and hardware quality. The lack of that is the freezes, slow down both short term and long term and ease of use. The combination of improved hardware and improved UI and consistent use would have gone a long way towards core users since most people assume WP7 is WM7 anyways.
The only guess I can take is that they either couldn't recover from the state the code was in or more likely just went the Iphone route. From what I read WM7 was scrapped and Zune developers took over.
why not ask on social.microsoft.com... that is more direct line than here...
i would imagine that they are going to introduce more than just what they've listed. when you are going to give a general roadmap, you would give the big highlights, not everything.
Windows Mobile is most functional moile OS of all time, even Android cannot beat WM on functionality. However, the sales proved that WM is not welcomed by majority of the market. This is reasonnable.
You are using a cell phone. How many calls do you make everyday? Then how many C&Ps?
Just refining WM might not be good enough to save MS on phones.
“True multitasking” drains battery. And whatever perfection the system itself can reach, its stablity cannot survive badly written apps and unlimited modification.
Also there was a problem for WM app ecosystem. Kind like what we are seeing on Android now, maybe worse...
At least there is Office on WP... Also remote lock?
The OP has a good point, and people are just ragging him without even thinking about it.
The rate of progress is slow. Look at the interview with the product manager. Guy should be fired, since he obviously failed in some aspect of his job in handling WP7 development and updates.
They are developing a phone for consumers, and decided to not release a 1st party WLM client, for example.
2 Months later, after they launch WP7, Microsoft releases a 1st party WLM client for iOS, then they releases OneNote for iOS.
Not only is it a slow rate of progress, but they are constantly *****-slapping their own customers. Why get a WP7 device over an Apple iPhone or an Android Phone + iTouch with Wireless Tethering, if Microsoft will give more attention to iOS than WP7. iOS has gotten more "updates" from the Windows Live team than WP7 since WP7 was launched. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Zune app for Mac and a Zune Pass Quasi-App for iOS in a few months, along with XBox Live goodies... At the moment it doesn't seem like they have a clue what direction they want to move in, or what market they want to target to be honest...
It seems disingenuous to sell WP7 to customers and then tell them to wait a year+ for a decent update while you're banging out iOS apps for iPhone/iTouch users...
Probably would have been better for them to just release a better Zune HD and put all of their mobile support behind iOS, IMO. Could have saved their users money, time, and frustration, and allowed them to get work down faster and better.
well copy/paste, multitasking are both coming...C/P in early march and multi-tasking sometime this year...so it's a start. Plus better skydrive integration for all office docs...
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-file system access and USB mass storage (since 2000)
-directly installable apps
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The above will never happen on WP7, real business users don't need file system access or USB mass storage support since they use the cloud - either in a hosted capacity or their own private setup. Either way, they always have access to their documents.
Directly installable apps is not something they need either as they will roll out a set package of apps - just look at corporate laptops today, everything comes preinstalled from the IT dept. Now, sure, if you are talking about business apps for "personal" phones for their employees the IT dept rollout will not work, but MS has said they are working on private marketplace support here - sort of like how you get the Samsung or T-Mobile marketplace categories today.
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These are coming thruout the year, but TBH multitasking isn't something used by most WinMo enterprise users. Sure, some do use it for GPS tracking in the background but the vast majority of said users have these devices as a one-trick pony. Take UPS for example, they use them to scan packages, collect signatures and track drivers - that's it. None of which are performed simultaneously.
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-VPN support (since 2002)
-SIP VOIP (since 2007)
-almost full support for Exchange.
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I do agree with most of these though. Not sure what you mean by business-class security features, but other than that they do need to roll out VPN and enhanced Exchange support. VoIP I'm not so sure about, most business users (even fairly small ones) I've been in contact with already have great plans with their telcos and will route calls thru their local/private exchange.
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well copy/paste, multitasking are both coming...C/P in early march and multi-tasking sometime this year...so it's a start. Plus better skydrive integration for all office docs...
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Why do people keep repeating this 10x in every thread, as if we do NOT know what's coming?
We know it's coming. Why is something like that coming, instead of having been launched to begin with. From what I've seen WP7 was in development for like 2 years, considering they did use CE as a base, it seems a bit retarded that stuff like this had to be added in and they are delivering better apps for iOS than WP7 while WP7 customers stand there with blank faces wondering why they have to wait a year to get iOS features when iOS is getting features they want in weeks/months.
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The above will never happen on WP7, real business users don't need file system access or USB mass storage support since they use the cloud - either in a hosted capacity or their own private setup. Either way, they always have access to their documents.
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Cloud arguments don't get rid of arguments for common file stores. There are files on the cloud and on local storage. Either way, the same file should be accessible by more than one program. That means that the file is "common", not "isolated".
Isolated storage is a terrible restriction, whether it is local or in the cloud. So terrible that Microsoft had to make limited exemptions for particular sorts of content with special apis to be accessed by more than one program (e.g. photos).
Look you can have office workers who just edit spreadsheets and word documents, maybe this is fine for them. But for serious users of technology this is unacceptable. Just think of the history. You had slide rules and other specific calculating devices devices. Then Charles Babbage develops a mechanical computer which is actually Turing complete, then Turing proves that there is this type of computer that can do anything that is computable, then people built these things, and now we are back with - as long as a device can do x,y,z popular tasks we are OK. End rant.
Directly installable apps... MS has said they are working on private marketplace support here - sort of like how you get the Samsung or T-Mobile marketplace categories today.
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OK let me continue the rant a little. Alan Turing did not envisage a system where for an algorithm to succeed it has to first pass the approval of human censors. It takes the undecidability problem a little too far, don't you think?
Anyway, any improvement is good but what is the timeframe? At some point this will happen, unless the public overtures to homebrew hackers were a mistake.
VoIP I'm not so sure about, most business users (even fairly small ones) I've been in contact with already have great plans with their telcos and will route calls thru their local/private exchange.
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You can work your way around it but nothing is better than a native solution.
Anyway, yes this stuff is important to businesses, some more than others, but the rest are important to power users, anyone who wants to use the device as more than a feature phone, who is not Mr. Average and at some point may want to do something that Mr. Average does not do. Mr. Average may have money on average, and power in democracies, but people who are not Mr. Average are also important, in fact far more so for the world.
I agree with all your points.
It's fine not to have the features at launch but they must add them quickly. The argument that some like to use that WP7 is new & to just be patient is wearing thin. WP7 is competing with the IPhone & Android of today not of yesterday, so why should customers bother waiting too long for features already available on competing products? The UI is great but not spectacularly better IMO.
I want WP7 to succeed but the clock is ticking & MS only has a limited amount of time to make it a hit.
N8ter said:
The OP has a good point, and people are just ragging him without even thinking about it.
The rate of progress is slow. Look at the interview with the product manager. Guy should be fired, since he obviously failed in some aspect of his job in handling WP7 development and updates.
They are developing a phone for consumers, and decided to not release a 1st party WLM client, for example.
2 Months later, after they launch WP7, Microsoft releases a 1st party WLM client for iOS, then they releases OneNote for iOS.
Not only is it a slow rate of progress, but they are constantly *****-slapping their own customers. Why get a WP7 device over an Apple iPhone or an Android Phone + iTouch with Wireless Tethering, if Microsoft will give more attention to iOS than WP7. iOS has gotten more "updates" from the Windows Live team than WP7 since WP7 was launched. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Zune app for Mac and a Zune Pass Quasi-App for iOS in a few months, along with XBox Live goodies... At the moment it doesn't seem like they have a clue what direction they want to move in, or what market they want to target to be honest...
It seems disingenuous to sell WP7 to customers and then tell them to wait a year+ for a decent update while you're banging out iOS apps for iPhone/iTouch users...
Probably would have been better for them to just release a better Zune HD and put all of their mobile support behind iOS, IMO. Could have saved their users money, time, and frustration, and allowed them to get work down faster and better.
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Why do people keep repeating this 10x in every thread, as if we do NOT know what's coming?
We know it's coming. Why is something like that coming, instead of having been launched to begin with. From what I've seen WP7 was in development for like 2 years, considering they did use CE as a base, it seems a bit retarded that stuff like this had to be added in and they are delivering better apps for iOS than WP7 while WP7 customers stand there with blank faces wondering why they have to wait a year to get iOS features when iOS is getting features they want in weeks/months.
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and why do you have to keep repeating post after post that wp7 should have included c/p , this and that blah blah blah? I know why you want c/p so that you dont have to right the same thing over and over again lols.....
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and why do you have to keep repeating post after post that wp7 should have included c/p , this and that blah blah blah? I know why you want c/p so that you dont have to right the same thing over and over again lols.....
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An you still have nothing of value to add to the discussion. Life must hate you.
Here's a razor. You know what to do with it
CSMR said:
Cloud arguments don't get rid of arguments for common file stores. There are files on the cloud and on local storage. Either way, the same file should be accessible by more than one program. That means that the file is "common", not "isolated".
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Agreed - but that's a whole different can of worms. What I was commenting on was getting content onto your phone in the first place. I fully agree there should be a shared store accessible by any installed application.
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You can work your way around it but nothing is better than a native solution.
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Again, I agree. But in my experience businesses (at least here) have free connectivity between their mobile devices and their offices. More and more these days there are no landlines available at all, everyone uses mobile which is routed thru a local (ie. corporate) switch.
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Anyway, yes this stuff is important to businesses, some more than others, but the rest are important to power users, anyone who wants to use the device as more than a feature phone, who is not Mr. Average and at some point may want to do something that Mr. Average does not do. Mr. Average may have money on average, and power in democracies, but people who are not Mr. Average are also important, in fact far more so for the world.
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This is where we don't agree
Power-users - or early-adopters; they are generally the same people - are not generating [direct] revenue and as such their usage patterns are not of great importance initially. What they do do is drive demand for these features down to an average level, so at some point it will become mainstream, but not today.
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An you still have nothing of value to add to the discussion. Life must hate you.
Here's a razor. You know what to do with it
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thats so uncalled for.....
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thats so uncalled for.....
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I deal with "uncalled for" things thrown at me on this forum all the time. I'm not crying about it. I'd edit it out, but since you quoted it instead of PMing me it's not worth it.
Report it to a moderator. I'll eat my infraction if they feel they need to issue one. /shruggery/
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The slowness of WP continues to disappoint.
In windows mobile we had:
-file system access and USB mass storage (since 2000)
-VPN support (since 2002)
-SIP VOIP (since 2007)
-almost full support for Exchange.
-copy and paste
-multitasking
-directly installable apps
-business-class security features
In 2010 WP7 was released without these features. In 2011 we will have copy and paste and multitasking. This is a diabolically slow rate of progress. Instead, we have play features like twitter support, ability to wave the phone in front of a TV, great.
Businesses are Microsoft's most important and successful market. When will WP support features for businesses and serious users? 2012? 2013?
The slow rate of progress was cemented in Ballmer's speech today. No wonder Nokia's shares continued to fall. Microsoft could have timed basic feature-completeness to coincide with Nokia's entry. Instead, when their phones come out in late 2011, WP7 will still be a toy OS.
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I have not read the following posts so forgive me if this point has been made but this sort of thread gripes me so so bad.
WINDOWS PHONE IS NOT, I REPEAT NOT! WINDOWS MOBILE
It is aimed at general consumers more than business much like the iphone. Windows Mobile will have a new version out some point this year as it is not windows phone and is still being developed.
Please for gods sake keep this whole delusion that WP7 is anything to do with WM6.5 out of your heads.
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I have not read the following posts so forgive me if this point has been made but this sort of thread gripes me so so bad.
WINDOWS PHONE IS NOT, I REPEAT NOT! WINDOWS MOBILE
It is aimed at general consumers more than business much like the iphone. Windows Mobile will have a new version out some point this year as it is not windows phone and is still being developed.
Please for gods sake keep this whole delusion that WP7 is anything to do with WM6.5 out of your heads.
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It's no delusion that 6.5 is far superior to WP7, as of now.
amtrakcn said:
Windows Mobile is most functional moile OS of all time, even Android cannot beat WM on functionality. However, the sales proved that WM is not welcomed by majority of the market. This is reasonnable.
You are using a cell phone. How many calls do you make everyday? Then how many C&Ps?
Just refining WM might not be good enough to save MS on phones.
“True multitasking” drains battery. And whatever perfection the system itself can reach, its stablity cannot survive badly written apps and unlimited modification.
Also there was a problem for WM app ecosystem. Kind like what we are seeing on Android now, maybe worse...
At least there is Office on WP... Also remote lock?
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what functionality are you refering to that every other phone OS hasn't had for 2plus years ?
I make/receive on average 1 phone call a day, while I copy/paste at least 20 times a day.
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I deal with "uncalled for" things thrown at me on this forum all the time. I'm not crying about it. I'd edit it out, but since you quoted it instead of PMing me it's not worth it.
Report it to a moderator. I'll eat my infraction if they feel they need to issue one. /shruggery/
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1. im not crying about anything, just stating the obvious
2. I feel anyone should be allowed to say what they think, so are you, but why the need for the bully factor?
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Source: Windows Phone UK FB page
Wish I could go...
Casey
Shame, i'm too far from London. Would like to go to that too
I'm live less than 10mins walk from Microsofts London Offices.
I'm free on those dates.
I've have no problems with some Advertising/PR company giving me 60 quid and/or a Suprise.
But, untill they start using Normal or Anti-Social sites to get their panels,
they'll have to put up 'Yes Men' and 'Fan Boys' for their one sided research.
Hey I just got some awesome news -
Expensify is finally coming to the Windows Phone. I don't know why now - could be they were waiting on WP7.5.
I had used this program on Android and found it to be the cleanest, easiest and best organized program for uploading travel expenses and receipts and having it seamlessly woven to Expensify's online expense report client.
To tell the truth, I have only missed two things from Android - this and RocketBunnies..
I found out as I received an email from their marketing notifying me that I had no activity over the past several months and could I please let them know if there was any dissatisfaction? After I wrote back that I missed this program and only stopped using because of my move to WP7.5, two people within their group emailed me to let me know that they are in the finishing stages of a WP7.5 mobile application and to keep a lookout for it.
For more information on how the software itself works, go to www.expensify.com
Yep, waiting for 7.5
We depended on some Mango-specific features in order to port our custom cross-platform layer to WP. (I'd link to more info, but as a new user to this forum, it's preventing me. Alas, it's really cool!)
We coincidentally released both the iPhone and WP ports on the same day, so now we have write-once-run-everywhere on iPhone, Android, BlackBerry, and Windows Phone. Incidentally, as a current webOS user, I've been looking to jump ships -- I'm thinking a Titan might be nice....
Regardless, i'm glad you like the app -- write me at [email protected] if I can help in any way. Thanks!
-david
Founder and CEO of Expensify
After more than 1 year Windows phone is still at the bottom of the ladder with only 1% of the marketshare. If this continue the way they are Windows Phone might be completed dead. Microsoft is kind of late to the game, will Windows 8 and Apollo change the current situation or WP be complete dead a year or two from now and be killed off just like WebOS?
time will show us...but i dont think wp is gona die...maybe windows mobile
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Who knows but i will enjoy it till the end
it's a wonderful OS but why does it have so much trouble gaining marketshare?
Who knows, who cares... just enjoying the ride in this awesome new mobile OS.
I love the new zen responses to a thread that could get out of hand. Who knows how long something will last. Does anything last forever?
Windows Phone 7 actually doubled in marketshare! 1% in 2010 to 2% end of 2011. That is some massive growth I tell ya.
Actually its only just that people start to know about WP7 in holland. The shops here have only mockups mostly, but oddly enough the lumia devices and the htc radar were all functional devices in the stores. So that's really good.
There is just not enough trust yet, lots of doubts because its still considered new. But its gaining awareness and lumias are selling well, so this will be just a matter of time. I mean its in general a phone for 2 years you buy so people a really careful with buying something "new".
Just give it another year, I am seeing ads for the lumia everywhere now so that's a good sign. People love the design and like how the OS looks, they just don't know what I can do yet until a friend/colleague shows/tells them.
I only know 2 people having a WP7. My girlfriend (because I told her to buy it) and a friend of mine (the one who told me to buy WM6.1 a few years ago).
I think, meanwhile mi girlfriend or better ex-girlfriend, has an Android phone... she was very upset with me about that. she spend a lot of money for that WP7.
and now guess why she left me...
ok, not because of the phone, but its one of the reasons hahaah.
Here in Spain I think its less tan 1% the WP7 market...
But WP7 won't die, because it was never born HAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA.
I'm an Idiot!
WP will not DIE eventually it will loose its smartphone customers.
WM 6.5 was fine until MS started rolling out WP7.
its been a year still no sign of growth.
I think something you could do to help WP is stop opening another "WP WILL DIE" thread. Everybody already knows marketshare is not the good point about WP.
What you should ask yourself is :
Is my phone fast ?
Do I have the apps I need ?
Do I like this phone ?
Do I prefer WP over Android ?
If you answer yes to these questions, there is no reason to spread pessimism.
Hype and mood are important things for such products, don't you know ?
dragonide said:
I think something you could do to help WP is stop opening another "WP WILL DIE" thread. Everybody already knows marketshare is not the good point about WP.
What you should ask yourself is :
Is my phone fast ?
Do I have the apps I need ?
Do I like this phone ?
Do I prefer WP over Android ?
If you answer yes to these questions, there is no reason to spread pessimism.
Hype and mood are important things for such products, don't you know ?
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This. I also hate when people say Windows phone came "late" into the game. It's never too late. De people really expect we will still be using iOS and Android in the year 3000? Give me a break. As long as you can prove to consumers your product does the job better than the competition its NEVER too late.
dragonide said:
I think something you could do to help WP is stop opening another "WP WILL DIE" thread. Everybody already knows marketshare is not the good point about WP.
What you should ask yourself is :
Is my phone fast ?
Do I have the apps I need ?
Do I like this phone ?
Do I prefer WP over Android ?
If you answer yes to these questions, there is no reason to spread pessimism.
Hype and mood are important things for such products, don't you know ?
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You see this is the irony here. Windows Phone is supposed to be a business product, but instead Microsoft here has taken away it's only real reason for me get a Windows phone.
I need a phone that can sync easily and cost-free with Microsoft Office Outlook. And Windows Phone 7 can not do that, there is no task, contact sync without exchange account. And most people do not have an exchange account.
This is ridiculous, Microsoft have been pushing Xbox integration instead of Office integration. They marketing WP more of a gaming/multimedia device than a serious business phone. The irony is that iPhone now have better business integration than WP.
I want a communication and a business tool, not a time wasting handheld gaming music device.
Microsoft don't care about the people who supported Windows Mobile, they just want marketshare and profit by chasing after iPhone users by dumbing down Windows Mobile and making it look pretty and added gaming functions.
Until Microsoft gives us business users what we deserve, I will continue to use Android.
FinancialWar said:
it's a wonderful OS but why does it have so much trouble gaining marketshare?
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Because no body cares for an iPhone like phone with it's restrictions and lack of functionality. Coming from WM like just about every long time Windows Phone supporters WP is a slap in the face; a buch of ex WM people have jumped ship to either Android or for the lesser part the iPhone. It's Microsoft's own fault things are the way they are, come on you can't even add attachments other than pictures directly from Outlook, you can add documents but you have to to to the Office Hub which makes no sense because WP is supposed to eliminate extra steps and forget about audio files. I can go on and on but I'm getting tired of hearing my self; the ones that need to listen is Microsoft instead of telling us what we want.
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FinancialWar said:
You see this is the irony here. Windows Phone is supposed to be a business product, but instead Microsoft here has taken away it's only real reason for me get a Windows phone.
I need a phone that can sync easily and cost-free with Microsoft Office Outlook. And Windows Phone 7 can not do that, there is no task, contact sync without exchange account. And most people do not have an exchange account.
This is ridiculous, Microsoft have been pushing Xbox integration instead of Office integration. They marketing WP more of a gaming/multimedia device than a serious business phone. The irony is that iPhone now have better business integration than WP.
I want a communication and a business tool, not a time wasting handheld gaming music device.
Microsoft don't care about the people who supported Windows Mobile, they just want marketshare and profit by chasing after iPhone users by dumbing down Windows Mobile and making it look pretty and added gaming functions.
Until Microsoft gives us business users what we deserve, I will continue to use Android.
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Agreed, well put.
FinancialWar said:
You see this is the irony here. Windows Phone is supposed to be a business product, but instead Microsoft here has taken away it's only real reason for me get a Windows phone.
I need a phone that can sync easily and cost-free with Microsoft Office Outlook. And Windows Phone 7 can not do that, there is no task, contact sync without exchange account. And most people do not have an exchange account.
This is ridiculous, Microsoft have been pushing Xbox integration instead of Office integration. They marketing WP more of a gaming/multimedia device than a serious business phone. The irony is that iPhone now have better business integration than WP.
I want a communication and a business tool, not a time wasting handheld gaming music device.
Microsoft don't care about the people who supported Windows Mobile, they just want marketshare and profit by chasing after iPhone users by dumbing down Windows Mobile and making it look pretty and added gaming functions.
Until Microsoft gives us business users what we deserve, I will continue to use Android.
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I honestly think most "business" users will have an Exchange account.
I understand your frustration with the lack of Outlook sync, but there are ways to sync without Exchange or Outlook.
You can use a Hotmail account to sync most of what you want. You can also integrate your Hotmail account into Outlook with the Outlook Connector.
I use a hosted Exchange account because I have my own domain name for my email. It costs me less than $100 a year, and it's well worth it to me.
LexusFman said:
This. I also hate when people say Windows phone came "late" into the game. It's never too late. De people really expect we will still be using iOS and Android in the year 3000? Give me a break. As long as you can prove to consumers your product does the job better than the competition its NEVER too late.
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Coming in late has nothing to do with it; giving us a phone that can't do half the stuff it's predessosor did is a stupid move by a major big time company that should know better is! Even the crappy Blackberry with it's lame OS can do more than WP as far as functions come. WP needs to stop trying to be like the freakin' iPhone for starters and then maybe they can actually reach their goal of being 3rd by 2014 or what ever they predicted.
LexusFman said:
This. I also hate when people say Windows phone came "late" into the game. It's never too late. De people really expect we will still be using iOS and Android in the year 3000? Give me a break. As long as you can prove to consumers your product does the job better than the competition its NEVER too late.
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Plus, you could argue that they were FIRST to the game, back when Palm and Windows Pocket PC edition were the only PDA/smartphone choices. Apple stood on the shoulders of others, so to speak, and iOS owed a lot to the existence of Palm/Windows Mobile, even if as an example of what NOT to do! Similarly, Microsoft was gutsy enough to scrap Windows Mobile and learn from the newest comers, iOS and Android, to leapfrog smartphone OSes again!
I think Windows Phone will prove to have some legs, so long as MS doesn't botch the Windows 8/Windows Phone 8 paradigm. That said, the original post in this thread is lame and baiting. Surprised it has replies at all.
naplesbill said:
I honestly think most "business" users will have an Exchange account.
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Think again.
Do you think all the non-IT white collar workers such as investment bankers, lawyers, doctors and other millions of professionals who have absolute no interest in IT whatsoever would have the time or motivation to learn about MS exchange, office 356 and other MS productions just get their phone to sync well with Outlook?
No.
FinancialWar said:
You see this is the irony here. Windows Phone is supposed to be a business product, but instead Microsoft here has taken away it's only real reason for me get a Windows phone.
I need a phone that can sync easily and cost-free with Microsoft Office Outlook. And Windows Phone 7 can not do that, there is no task, contact sync without exchange account. And most people do not have an exchange account.
This is ridiculous, Microsoft have been pushing Xbox integration instead of Office integration. They marketing WP more of a gaming/multimedia device than a serious business phone. The irony is that iPhone now have better business integration than WP.
I want a communication and a business tool, not a time wasting handheld gaming music device.
Microsoft don't care about the people who supported Windows Mobile, they just want marketshare and profit by chasing after iPhone users by dumbing down Windows Mobile and making it look pretty and added gaming functions.
Until Microsoft gives us business users what we deserve, I will continue to use Android.
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Unfortunately, it looks like you've fallen through the cracks! Most home users abandoned Outlook as their primary email software a half-dozen years ago, and I'd agree with others that a vast majority of Outlook users are corporate users with an exchange account that syncs flawlessly with Windows Phone (I know I am).
I switched from Outlook to Outlook Express a decade ago for home use, then eventually to Windows Live Mail and a Hotmail account. Everyone I know (even my grandparents!) are using web-based email at this point, be it gMail, Yahoo or Hotmail. Windows Live accounts mimic Outlook functionality for consumers: my wife and I share calendars, to-do lists, and contacts, all synced quietly and wirelessly, with a combination of Windows Live accounts. These are further integrated seamlessly with our calendars, contacts and email from our corporate exchange accounts. It's a beautiful thing, I can totally understand why Microsoft has dropped the old-school "plug in to your computer and manually sync with Outlook paradigm."
How does it go...evolve or die?
It will not die but WP7 series will get quickly abandoned by MS for WP8 at this rate. (and it's totally their fault for the slow release cycles)
Another entertaining junk! Keep them coming boys
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