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Does anyone think that a developer will create an application which will allow you to use the zoom-bar for a different functionality, (bit like GScroll) such as a application manager or a scroll control. if so what other functions could it be used for?
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if so what other functions could it be used for?
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I don't have the device yet, but I think it would be great if someone can figure out how to make the zoom bar act as a d-pad like with Gscroll. That is, swipe up for up, swipe left for left, swipe down for down, swipe right for right. You wouldn't be able to use it in apps like games. But I can imagine it would be useful for the following:
-moving cursor around when typing
-scroll though the suggested contacts when you start typing in the "To" field in Messaging
-scroll through the suggested words when you have xt9 enabled
But I guess this is only applicable when the hardware keyboard is hidden since there are arrow keys on the keyboard. Besides, it's probably difficult/impossible for the zoom bar to recognize vertical swipes.
I thought I was on to something when I first started writing this post, but now I feel my idea may not be worth the trouble at all!
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I don't have the device yet, but I think it would be great if someone can figure out how to make the zoom bar act as a d-pad like with Gscroll. That is, swipe up for up, swipe left for left, swipe down for down, swipe right for right. You wouldn't be able to use it in apps like games. But I can imagine it would be useful for the following:
-moving cursor around when typing
-scroll though the suggested contacts when you start typing in the "To" field in Messaging
-scroll through the suggested words when you have xt9 enabled
But I guess this is only applicable when the hardware keyboard is hidden since there are arrow keys on the keyboard. Besides, it's probably difficult/impossible for the zoom bar to recognize vertical swipes.
I thought I was on to something when I first started writing this post, but now I feel my idea may not be worth the trouble at all!
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Would be nice if the bar was 'split' in two:
the left half is for left/right and the right half is for up/down.
So, each half should be devided into two halves too.
But, for this to work, the actual position of the finger should be known, not only the swipe...
A program like the GScroll AppSwitch would be good to control with the zoom bar, or even a simple way to scroll up and down through menus or things like contacts.
After reading an article from WMPU, about the back button and task switcher, i did some cut and paste job, and this is what i've made...
A lot of ppl complaint that the right black bar(the one with an arrow icon) is wasting a lot of space. The first apps' jumplist will use this space.
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Another apps' jumplist, was to bring the notification bar even further. In WP7, user have to tab on the top black bar to get some information about the battery and the signal strength. The jumplist(which holding recent apps), drop together with the battery or whatever indicators.
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perhaps it looks nicer in this form:
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however, i think this will "crash" the "in call notification" or what ever it called...
What do you think? do you think such jumplist is necessary?
What I wouldn't mind seeing is basically a list sorta like the existing list when you swipe left on the home screen that pops up when you double tap the back button. Each would have a X that you could tap to nuke the app entirely or you could tap on the icon/name of the app and jump to it.
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What I wouldn't mind seeing is basically a list sorta like the existing list when you swipe left on the home screen that pops up when you double tap the back button. Each would have a X that you could tap to nuke the app entirely or you could tap on the icon/name of the app and jump to it.
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I'd have to agree - my thoughts exactly Rusty!
When you said app jumplist I thought you meant a list like the contacts list but for apps. I thought the app list would get the same functionality as the other lists, but I haven't seen that to date.
why you need a "X" while these "recent" apps are not consuming your processor?
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why you need a "X" while these "recent" apps are not consuming your processor?
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To take them off the list, so it doesn't become cluttered, if you want to actively manage it.
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What I wouldn't mind seeing is basically a list sorta like the existing list when you swipe left on the home screen that pops up when you double tap the back button. Each would have a X that you could tap to nuke the app entirely or you could tap on the icon/name of the app and jump to it.
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Not double-tap... hold. I want 2 taps to take me back twice.
On that note I think Voice should have been mapped to holding the Search button, not the Start button. There are better uses for the Start button.
I agree with the hold back button thing.
but task/app managers are flawed slighty if you have forgot and closed or not even opened that process yet.And its then another button to your start screen to open it again.I think a long hold takes you back to the start screen and the list shows like in picture one.best of both worlds.plus you could have a nice little animation of the list sliding in from the bottom like a train.
looks pretty neat. although if those icons were a tiny bit smaller you could line up 3 of the icons with one of the big icons. you have to have stuff lined up of else people like me will go mad
I personally love this idea.
I've been realizing lately how amazing android really is and customizable it is with this phone. Off topic but I kinda hated the fact. Of a recent app button and the fact that I lost the menu button (honestly the most used button on all my other phones). The devs here realized it and gave me the ability to have my menu button, get my search button back, and make recent apps come up by holding the home button. Got to love them. Shout out to our fantastic devs.
Now the point of this thread was just I wanted to know how you guys thought about a gesture bar instead of having buttons. So swipe on the bar to go back, maybe swipe up to go home etc? Just trying to think of creative ideas on how to use this huge screen and since everything is virtual, why can't this be possible. What you guys think?
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nice idea, kind of like the microsoft touch mouse. I would like to see someone make that possible and see how it works out.
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Now the point of this thread was just I wanted to know how you guys thought about a gesture bar instead of having buttons. So swipe on the bar to go back, maybe swipe up to go home etc? Just trying to think of creative ideas on how to use this huge screen and since everything is virtual, why can't this be possible. What you guys think?
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As a technical exercise it sounds like a very good idea, but I know for one I wouldn't use it. Dolphin HD has had gesture support for such a long time and I used it as my main web browser on my Desire but I didn't ever use the gesture support.
Even my HD2 running WM 6.5.x had an app that allowed you to launch any app/program by configuring a gesture, but again I didn't use it.
I guess it's just easier to place my thumb than to move about when holding the phone in one hand. Is this an idea you were thinking of implementing yourself, or are you looking for someone to pick the idea up and run with it?
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As a technical exercise it sounds like a very good idea, but I know for one I wouldn't use it. Dolphin HD has had gesture support for such a long time and I used it as my main web browser on my Desire but I didn't ever use the gesture support.
Even my HD2 running WM 6.5.x had an app that allowed you to launch any app/program by configuring a gesture, but again I didn't use it.
I guess it's just easier to place my thumb than to move about when holding the phone in one hand. Is this an idea you were thinking of implementing yourself, or are you looking for someone to pick the idea up and run with it?
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Are you talking about lmt? Fyi: it's now also available for android/gsn...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1330150
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I lost the menu button (honestly the most used button on all my other phones).
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You never lost the menu button, it's just not on screen 100% of the time anymore, where it would just waste space otherwise.
I think its great idea!
Another few things that would be cool to see would be, resizing the Navigation Bar to be maybe a little thinner, and being able to slide the nav bar left or right, to reveal a icons to launch other apps, and maybe swiping down to hide the navbar all together.
Like you said being able to customize android and change every aspect of it is what makes this OS so awesome.
You guys ever use gesture area on webOS phones? Much better than using back key, would be a great idea. It also used visual feedback so a white line would go in the swipe direction. Currently the only phone using something similar to this is the N9 probably, which has swiping through the sides of screen to control apps.
I was just thinking about WebOS when reading this as well. Would be nice.
Just having the soft keys area as a gesture area? cool!
Maybe you could customize your gestures?
A big thing to me would be the ability to have a fully loaded package and be able to switch between stock softkeys, added search/menu softkeys, and gestures. Everything customizeable by user rather than through flashing?
menu bar like in windows 8
I think gesture is pretty good, but i`d like to see menu bar(home, recent, etc) like in win8: it is hidden until you swype from bottom-outside up, than it become unhidden. see any wideo with windows 8 tablert, you`ll see what i mean.
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I think gesture is pretty good, but i`d like to see menu bar(home, recent, etc) like in win8: it is hidden until you swype from bottom-outside up, than it become unhidden. see any wideo with windows 8 tablert, you`ll see what i mean.
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That would get annoying pretty quickly. I don't want to have to add extra steps to navigate my phone. Back, home and recent app are buttons you use all the time, why add a barrier to get to em? More screen real estate isn't worth the extra hassle.
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That would get annoying pretty quickly. I don't want to have to add extra steps to navigate my phone. Back, home and recent app are buttons you use all the time, why add a barrier to get to em? More screen real estate isn't worth the extra hassle.
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How about navigational controls similar to the quick controls in the stock browser? Touch the bottom edge of the screen and out pops a semi-radial menu that can contain: back, home, recent apps, menu, search and can be used to add quick shortcuts to your most used apps like messaging, contacts, browser, etc., or app specific commands, like say refresh for browser, check mail for, well, email, and so on. Touching the edge requires less effort and movement as compared to swiping up or down.
I came to Android from webOS after HP shot themselves in the foot several times and one of the things I miss most is the gesture bar you had at the bottom of the screen. With the advent of the soft button area in ICS I see a real option to enable the area to work in a similar fashion. Hell yes!
The webOS gestures were:
A single swipe up would show you your running apps.
Swiping 2 fingers up would show you the launcher (app drawer).
A leftward swipe would go back.
A full swipe across the entire area going either right or left would take you to the next or previous running app.
Besides the wireless charging, the gesture area was one of the webOS killer features you very quickly learned to take for-granted. So long as gesture detection was implemented well I don't see why you couldn't have the soft buttons as they are now and gestures all working at the same time.
Call me old fashioned, but I also don't like the gestures idea.
Dolphin is just about the only program on android that I have tried to use gestures with, and it's not the sort of feature i'd personally like integrated into my phone.
That said, customizing how different people can use their phones, within the same operating system, so two people can use the exact same phone in two totally different ways, is the way to go
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How about navigational controls similar to the quick controls in the stock browser? Touch the bottom edge of the screen and out pops a semi-radial menu that can contain: back, home, recent apps, menu, search and can be used to add quick shortcuts to your most used apps like messaging, contacts, browser, etc., or app specific commands, like say refresh for browser, check mail for, well, email, and so on. Touching the edge requires less effort and movement as compared to swiping up or down.
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I like your idea of having the pie control from the stock browser available all over android. I had the idea a while back but was just too lazy to implement it. Today I did a small working prototype and I think I will add the pie control feature to my gesture app "LMT"...
good idea but put ot optionaly! maybe it is not practical ! iwould rather hidden button ! like Video player amaing full screen with hidden buttons !!
Huntlaar said:
good idea but put ot optionaly! maybe it is not practical ! iwould rather hidden button ! like Video player amaing full screen with hidden buttons !!
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If implemented properly, you might be able to do away with the bottom bar and take advantage of the full screen. You can't see it with the nexus browser, but if you have a tablet running ICS and enable browser quick controls, the app hides the tabs and address bar, instantly adding an inch of usable screen real estate at the top.
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The big nasty problem with having hidden buttons or, for that matter, any trigger point area(s) on the devices main screen is you'll always end up triggering something when you didn't want to or it interferes with a ui element in one or more apps e.g. game scroll bars / buttons. I've tried plenty and they all interfered with one app or another to the point I stopped using them.
The quick controls idea is fine but you're still having to watch what you're doing. The beauty of gestures in webOS was that you wouldn't have to take your eyes of what you were doing to find a button - your finger just flicked below the screen content while your eyes looked towards what you were going to do next.
I realise it's hard to imagine if you've never done it before but (weak analogy approaching...) think of it like walking up a thin and narrow set of steps as opposed to thick wide ones while trying to read a book. On the narrow steps you have to look down to hit the next step thus breaking the flow of your reading. While on the bigger wider ones you can carry on reading as the step is big enough your foot can find it without taking your eyes of your book.
Anyroad, IMHO, gestures need to be out of the way of app content so as not to interfere with app usage patterns and shouldn't require the user to take their eyes off what they're doing.
Hi, i didn't want to make trash of development section so I came here to ask or suggest of making mod that will allow us to use 100% of the screen without any on screen buttons visible.
I know that there is a mod that is doing same thing, but it's uncomfortable to use. (You press on the screen corner and then on screen buttons magically appear)
So here's my suggestion how could it work.
You will have to put your finger under the screen on the left, right or center depending on which action you want to launch. Then swype your finger up and release it.
For example I want to go back from settings so I press back button:
I put finger on the bottom left of the phone and then swype it up to the screen and release it.
If any developer could make that kind of gesture readable by phone, and attach it to a proper action would be great
Sorry for my "not best English" I tried how I could to present my idea most clearly.
And please don't say that screen is big enough so this kind of mod is unnecessary..
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This actually has been suggested before and I thought it was a really good idea, but the majority of the community ripped the OP of the other thread a new one and told him to just use button savior or LMT launcher or something. It was pretty messed up. Hopefully we can actually get that sooner or later!
I completely agree. I use LMT, but it seems like it would be more convenient the way you suggested. Also less accidental presses if you swiped from the bottom.
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I completely agree. I use LMT, but it seems like it would be more convenient the way you suggested. Also less accidental presses if you swiped from the bottom.
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I thought of extending lmt to support also that feature. But I would more see completely configurable touch/swipe areas. They could be placed on the left, right and also at the bottom. What do you think?
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Have a look at GMD gesture control. It does exactly what you want
I also did that for myself.
App Thread: google "gmd gesturce control xda" (I cannot post any links)
Thank you for comments
I've attached image showing my idea (go to first post), so everything is clear now. I'm sure you can't do this with LMT.
Krokogator said:
Hi, i didn't want to make trash of development section so I came here to ask or suggest of making mod that will allow us to use 100% of the screen without any on screen buttons visible.
I know that there is a mod that is doing same thing, but it's uncomfortable to use. (You press on the screen corner and then on screen buttons magically appear)
So here's my suggestion how could it work.
You will have to put your finger under the screen on the left, right or center depending on which action you want to launch. Then swype your finger up and release it.
For example I want to go back from settings so I press back button:
I put finger on the bottom left of the phone and then swype it up to the screen and release it.
If any developer could make that kind of gesture readable by phone, and attach it to a proper action would be great
Sorry for my "not best English" I tried how I could to present my idea most clearly.
And please don't say that screen is big enough so this kind of mod is unnecessary..
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hmm... interesting
greivel2 said:
Have a look at GMD gesture control. It does exactly what you want
I also did that for myself.
App Thread: google "gmd gesturce control xda" (I cannot post any links)
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I've just installed lite version of GMD gesture tool and it seems to work
Unfortunately, to use custom gestures I will have to buy full/paid version but it's worth it's money!!
Yeah its really worth the money
I tried your way of gestures and it works a hundred precent
i like the idea
now i use button savior (not good as your idea)
greivel2 said:
Yeah its really worth the money
I tried your way of gestures and it works a hundred precent
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It's very accurate. Even if someone is having problems, try to recalibrate borders, changing border detection area and gesture size
I found this apk very useful on my Motorola Defy to activate recent apps by swyping from the top of the screen
Hello, I tried to use S Note the first time. After choosing the front cover of the note and the background layout of the papers, a windows shows up saying download of files from old version. It asks if it is ok to download note of version older than the one I am using. What is that? Am I supposed to click OK?
After I pressed cancel, it asked me to choose between S pen specific mode and S pen and finger mode. I am not sure the differences. Which one do you recommend?
Thanks.
S Note allowes you to import S Note files associated with your Samsung account. Since the NotePro has the newest version of S Note, you get that mention of old versions. If you've ever used another S Note (for instance, on a Note 2), it can import them.
In S Pen specific mode, you can only write with the S Pen. In Pen&Finger mode, you can also use your finger to write and draw.
The options and settings work with your finger regardless of the setting.
Thanks but if I allow Pen&Finger mode, then there will be no palm rejection. Am I right? I am having this problem with Action Memo. It seems to accept both finger and S pen. There is no way to choose palm rejection.
Are you having issues with stray marks being made with your palm? It almost sounds like you are confusing palm rejection with completely rejecting finger input. In these native samsung pen enabled applications (S-note and Action Memo) palm rejection is built in and should work automatically when the pen is sensed near the screen. So while using the pen you should be able to rest your palm on the screen. Naturally if you specifically turn on pen and finger mode in s-note then the tablet will get confused by multi-touch input so while in that mode you shouldn't be resting your hand on the screen.
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Are you having issues with stray marks being made with your palm? It almost sounds like you are confusing palm rejection with completely rejecting finger input. In these native samsung pen enabled applications (S-note and Action Memo) palm rejection is built in and should work automatically when the pen is sensed near the screen. So while using the pen you should be able to rest your palm on the screen. Naturally if you specifically turn on pen and finger mode in s-note then the tablet will get confused by multi-touch input so while in that mode you shouldn't be resting your hand on the screen.
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Yes. I am having issues with stray marks being made with my palm. In native samsung pen enabled apps, usually which option do users choose? If I choose only pen mode, can I still use my fingers to zoom in and out, erase using the eraser?
Now all those questions I mentioned do not show up on the screen. When I pressed S note, a black sheet appeared. The app did not ask me to choose the color of the note cover, etc. How can I choose the note's cover and whether I want pen only model or pen and finger mode?
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How can I choose the note's cover
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Hit the gear icon on the top-right of the cover of the notebook. There you can change everything.
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Yes. I am having issues with stray marks being made with my palm. In native samsung pen enabled apps, usually which option do users choose? If I choose only pen mode, can I still use my fingers to zoom in and out, erase using the eraser?
Now all those questions I mentioned do not show up on the screen. When I pressed S note, a black sheet appeared. The app did not ask me to choose the color of the note cover, etc. How can I choose the note's cover and whether I want pen only model or pen and finger mode?
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There are no other settings or options for the S-note application other than what you see in the settings menu.
Out of curiosity, are you using a case? If so, try removing it and testing without one. Report back if your experience improved without a case.
These tablets are sensitive to magnetic fields; believe it or not sometimes the magnets used in various case designs to either assist in keeping them closed or to turn on/off the screen will affect touch and pen sensitivity in some parts of the screen. For the case that I use I cannot fold the flap completely behind the tablet if I intend to use the pen to write on the bottom right side of the screen in landscape mode.
Thanks. On my Note, the gear button is on the bottom right. It only has four options: edit tab, edit index, change background, show grid. There is no option to change the dover and template.
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Thanks. On my Note, the gear button is on the bottom right. It only has four options: edit tab, edit index, change background, show grid. There is no option to change the dover and template.
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FYI, you can't change templates once you create a book so there is no way to mix and match page types in a book. If you want that capability you'll have to look elsewhere. My only suggestion at this time is Papyrus. I currently use Lecturenotes because I like its features but mixing and matching of page types is not one of them.
If you want to change the background of a PAGE inside a note you go to the gear icon while inside the notebook. If you want to change the COVER of the notebook itself you back out of the notebook to see the list of notes and long press the notebook's cover (works whether youre in recent notes or the S-Note home screen) to bring up the menu to select Edit Cover.
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FYI, you can't change templates once you create a book so there is no way to mix and match page types in a book. If you want that capability you'll have to look elsewhere. My only suggestion at this time is Papyrus. I currently use Lecturenotes because I like its features but mixing and matching of page types is not one of them.
If you want to change the background of a PAGE inside a note you go to the gear icon while inside the notebook. If you want to change the COVER of the notebook itself you back out of the notebook to see the list of notes and long press the notebook's cover (works whether youre in recent notes or the S-Note home screen) to bring up the menu to select Edit Cover.
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Thank you. I am not trying to mix and match page type in a book.
Is template and background the same thing?
I tried to change the cover of the notebook but it does not work. I clicked the back button next to the home button of the PRO. On the home screen, I saw the calendar on the top left and instead of S-note's picture that I saw before I used the app the first time, there was a window with three tabs: recent notes, all notes and a plus symbol. (Is this what you called the S-Note home screen?) When I long pressed the notebook's cover, the device thought I was going to arrange the windows... Pressing the plus symbol created a blank page without asking me to choose the cover nor template.
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Thank you. I am not trying to mix and match page type in a book.
Is template and background the same thing?
I tried to change the cover of the notebook but it does not work. I clicked the back button next to the home button of the PRO. On the home screen, I saw the calendar on the top left and instead of S-note's picture that I saw before I used the app the first time, there was a window with three tabs: recent notes, all notes and a plus symbol. (Is this what you called the S-Note home screen?) When I long pressed the notebook's cover, the device thought I was going to arrange the windows... Pressing the plus symbol created a blank page without asking me to choose the cover nor template.
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It seems that what you suggested can only be done if I launch S Note by pressing its icon on the Application Screen. The problems that I just mentioned occurred when I launched S Note via the Home Screen. How come?
I don't know if there is a bug in the background (is it also called template?). When I chose a white background with lines, the background of the note looked correct. However, when I chose a brownish background, each line was divided into two. How come the lines are not continuous?
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It seems that what you suggested can only be done if I launch S Note by pressing its icon on the Application Screen. The problems that I just mentioned occurred when I launched S Note via the Home Screen. How come?
I don't know if there is a bug in the background (is it also called template?). When I chose a white background with lines, the background of the note looked correct. However, when I chose a brownish background, each line was divided into two. How come the lines are not continuous?
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l suspect that you are launching it from a widget when launching it from the home screen. Its tough getting used to the workflow that the program developers set for these programs.
Templates and background are not the same thing. The best thing for you to do is experiment with making new notebooks using different templates so you can see the difference. When you launch s-note from the application screen, create a new notebook by clicking the three dots on the top right of either the S-note home screen or recent notes screen (by now you're probably aware that you can switch between these two using the button on the upper left corner of the screen) and selecting "Use new template."
I want to post some photos on this thread. How do I do it? I clicked on the "Insert Image" icon but it asked for URL rather than the location of the file.
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I want to post some photos on this thread. How do I do it? I clicked on the "Insert Image" icon but it asked for URL rather than the location of the file.
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Use the advanced page (eitehr click 'Reply' or 'Go Advanced'), then hit the attachement button. Select the pictures, hit upload, hit OK. Then hit the arrow next to the attachement button > Insert into post.
Thanks. I have attached some photos.
Even I set the size of the eraser to minimum, the gaps it created are still too wide (see eraser width.jpg). Is there any way to make it even smaller?
When I chose the background to be light brown with continuous straight horizontal lines (see selection.jpg), a vertical line was created (see broken line.jpg). How come? Is there a way to fix it?
Is there any good tutorial or video to learn about S Note? Most of the available ones are older versions for older devices. It seems that the one which came with our PRO is quite different. Thanks.