About 3 months ago (end of march?) I upgraded from my old trusty Hero to the new HTC Desire, and as everyone who has had the joy of owning one I've been very happy with it, specially after (with the unvaluable help of XDA) I managed to iron out some of its quirks.
My only issue with it is that lately I keep getting the annoyng taskbar icon and message that says that there's no more space available on my phone and that I should delete some more apps to free some more space.
I constantly kept reducing the number of my apps every few days, renouncing to some I was quite fond of, and eliminating all double functions even though I liked to have the possibility to choose, but the space keeps getting smaller and smaller, not because I install more apps , but only because I update the apps I already have.
Every time I update my apps the newer versions apparently take more space than the ones they substitute, so that nearly every time I update I am forced to erase at least one of my apps.
Soon I'll have space for only one super-updated app !
I have noticed that the "no more space" icon & message pops up every time the free space goes under 10% and after the latest updates I have only 9% ( 13 mb) left.
The problem is that now I have just the absolutely necessary apps, those I feel I just can't do without.
All in all , including all the original apps and programs that came with the phone and that it's impossible to erase, I've got 128 icons on my menu.
Is that many?
I'm pretty sure that I had more in my old Hero.
On my other phone , an HTC HD2, I have found a very useful app (for win mob 6.5) that frees memory and even speeds up the phone, does anyone knows of an equivalent program for Android 2.1?
Or maybe of some way to get some free space by some other method, like moving something to the mem card, or getting rid of some useless stuff?
Please?
This thing is getting relly frustrating.
No way to solve this issue barr flashing a FroYo rom or installing APPS2SD
Easier to install a FroYo rom but they are still buggy.
PlexusXXX said:
About 3 months ago (end of march?) I upgraded from my old trusty Hero to the new HTC Desire, and as everyone who has had the joy of owning one I've been very happy with it, specially after (with the unvaluable help of XDA) I managed to iron out some of its quirks.
My only issue with it is that lately I keep getting the annoyng taskbar icon and message that says that there's no more space available on my phone and that I should delete some more apps to free some more space.
I constantly kept reducing the number of my apps every few days, renouncing to some I was quite fond of, and eliminating all double functions even though I liked to have the possibility to choose, but the space keeps getting smaller and smaller, not because I install more apps , but only because I update the apps I already have.
Every time I update my apps the newer versions apparently take more space than the ones they substitute, so that nearly every time I update I am forced to erase at least one of my apps.
Soon I'll have space for only one super-updated app !
I have noticed that the "no more space" icon & message pops up every time the free space goes under 10% and after the latest updates I have only 9% ( 13 mb) left.
The problem is that now I have just the absolutely necessary apps, those I feel I just can't do without.
All in all , including all the original apps and programs that came with the phone and that it's impossible to erase, I've got 128 icons on my menu.
Is that many?
I'm pretty sure that I had more in my old Hero.
On my other phone , an HTC HD2, I have found a very useful app (for win mob 6.5) that frees memory and even speeds up the phone, does anyone knows of an equivalent program for Android 2.1?
Or maybe of some way to get some free space by some other method, like moving something to the mem card, or getting rid of some useless stuff?
Please?
This thing is getting relly frustrating.
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Wait until 23 June.. I got some info.. Froyo for HTC Desire will coming
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...On my other phone , an HTC HD2, I have found a very useful app (for win mob 6.5)
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OT: how do you like your Desire compared to the HD2?
I have the HD2 and I think the phone hardware is great, love the screen and the RAM and ROM. So far the best phone I have ever had, and I have had a lot.
I would love to try Android (would love to have it on a phone with the HD2 specs - and ATT )
...On my other phone , an HTC HD2, I have found a very useful app (for win mob 6.5)
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OT: how do you like your Desire compared to the HD2?
I have the HD2 and I think the phone hardware is great, love the screen and the RAM and ROM. So far the best phone I have ever had, and I have had a lot.
I would love to try Android (would love to have it on a phone with the HD2 specs - and ATT )
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I came from HD2 as well and I have to agree that HD2 hardware is far more superior than the Desire. The build quality is good, large screen is gorgeous.
However, I prefer Android so much more than Winmo. Glad that I made the switch.
Sent from my HTC Desire
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I came from HD2 as well and I have to agree that HD2 hardware is far more superior than the Desire. The build quality is good, large screen is gorgeous.
However, I prefer Android so much more than Winmo. Glad that I made the switch.
Sent from my HTC Desire
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it seems to be THE OS everyone is going to. I will wait until 2.2 gets on a phone that I can use with ATT, and that might only be a month away.
This is a known issue, I've had it but it seems to have gone. While I have no 100% sure cure I will try to give you some advice, hopefully it will solve the problem.
Question (please reply) : does your phone take a lot (I mean A LOT) of time to power down? I ask this because I feel there's a problem with the Desire's shutdown routine, it should clear some cache and old/obsolete data during shutdown but sometimes it fails.
Back to your problem, you have 2 options: try to force the phone to do the right thing and reclaim space OR restore to factory default and reinstall everything. Of course, second option is a little bit painful but as you have already been forced to uninstall most of the apps you'll have less to reinstall after a full wipe.
As for first option:
- try to power down / reboot your phone several times in a row; be patient, let it do it's thing, don't pull the battery out.
- power down your phone then power up by keeping MENU key pressed until it boots up: this will force it into safe mode (it only loads apps installed in the ROM, not the ones you added later). Can't really tell you why/how this helps but it solved my problem and it doesn't hurt to try. After booting into safe mode check the amount of space you have: should be OK now. Power down the phone and power up normally.
- check your apps (Settings, applications, manage applications) to see which ones take so much space. Maybe it's the browser cache, maybe Gmail storage or whatever. After taking care of one or more of them (e.g. clear browser cache) reboot your phone (power it down as it should, not by pulling battery out, to allow it to do it's shutdown routine).
I really hope this helps, I know how frustrating it can be. Froyo can't come soon enough! Or some real/safe root method.
I have been experiencing similar problems (although far less extreme), I tried starting in safe mode, clearing the browser cache and restarting, my free memory went from 74Mb to 105Mb but this change only showed up after the restart.
Thanx for the the prompt answers and the suggestions which I am trying right now.
I did'nt think about emptying the the browsers' caches because I thought that this kind of data would be kept in my capacious 16GB sd card.
I'm gonna do it right away because I use 3 browsers: Opera as default, but also Xscope and Dolphin which are really great to watch flash videos and I love watching long BBC documentaries in my spare time.
Besides I just noticed that Xscope automatically clears its cache on exit (if the option is activated) and Dolphin stores it on the memo card (also if the option is checked).
As for your questions.
1) No, my Droid switches off (and on ) very fast, much faster than my old Hero or my old N97, or my old Omnia, faster than my old HTC HD, and even slightly faster than my (actual) HTC HD2.
I guess it's thanks of the snappy Snapdragon CPU.
2) I do feel a bit silly having 2 phones but after having tried a Hero I just had to buy one and once I did I immediatly became a true Android convert.
I use Gmail, Gdocs, Gcalendar as my basic programs and iGoogle is my startpage , moreover the choice of free apps on Android market is without equal (i know because my wife insists on using iPhone 3GS, and now she even bought a 27" iMac hoping to get the same seamless sync'ing I get with my google apps on PC and my Android phone).
But no matter how much I love Android, the HD2 ,( which I had since september 2009) is just too good to let it go.
Forget about all the great Android Apps, but to watch pics, vids, to read e books and downloaded PDF pages, and also to listen to music it has no equal (in my opinion).
The camera and videocam (after applying the latest firmware and the fixes found here on XDA) are better than those on the Desire.
The voice dialing for the HD2 just works (thanx to dutty's work) also via BT headset and headphones, while the Desire's best voice dialing app (choice dialer) still tends to suck and the lack of a dedicated "call" button makes things even worse .
For one like me, who spends most of his waking time driving a car , voice dialing is a must; and the one Dutty fixed for the HD2 is just great.
Last but not least I bought that beautiful HD2 active holder for table and car (which does not fit the Desire) and I also bought CoPilot sat nav for the HD2 which works perfectly too.
As an excuse for having 2 phones usually I say that I need one for business and one for private use and maybe sometimes it's true too.
I usually keep the Desire in my pocket and the HD2 in my car or briefcase.
In any case because of my job, most of the time (nearly always actually) I am obliged to find space in my briefcase for a good bridge camera, a little vidocam, a dictaphone, and my netbook with accessories and peripherals, plus assorted gizmos according to the specific situation at hand, so the HD2 doesn't really change much in terms of weight.
Unfortunately the only phone that maybe would be able to substitute both my phones would probably be the HTC EVO but it seems like this beauty will never make it to our decadent european continent.
So I look forward to be able to buy the Dell Streak (mini5) and I really hope that next month , once hopefully I'll finally manage to wrap my fingers around it, I will not end up carrying 3 phones.
What do you think?
I'm a desperate case?
OF course not, you are like me and other Desire users... I'm not sorry i bought the phone and even thought that i wouldn't mind having such little space for apps, but really - we have so many apps and can't installed it because of the limited space...
This is also HTC fault because they have to win money, but for what we pay for the Desire and others, we really shuld have bigger internal space (1GB was enough for now).
Froyo will surely solve our main problems, and i also have 2 phones...
I will replace my simple Nokia when WP7 will be released at the end of the year, since i will never have an Apple device bought my me.
The i will have the two best: Android and WP7 - and i know that WP7 won't suffer from another annoying thing on Android: platform fragmentation. I'm sure that all WP7 devices will be automatically updated to latest versions of the OS which not occur with Android phones.
W7 looks poised to be a winner, however in my opinion Sense UI and the changes that HTC made to win mobile 6.5 for the HD2 , are so good that I really don't thik that this particular device needs a different OS.
HTC managed the incredible feat of making win 6.5 good, easy and a plasure to use.
In fact probably when (if) an upgrade for the HD2 will become available , I don't think that I will rush to install w7, which (as all new OSs) will probably see the light burdened with all sorts of bugs, glitches, and childhood diseases, while the newest ROM for HD2 coupled with Sense UI is eminentely stable, and just... good.
What win would need to compete with android is the so called "ecosystem" or "environment" : apps (specially free apps) and integration with cloud services, like Android does with Gmail, Gmaps (with sat nav), Gdocs, Gtalk, Gcalendar, Gtranslate, etc. etc.
I mean, have you seen the Windows marketplace? It's pathetic.
Even OVI market for my old N97 was better than this and I remember that it relly sucked.
They even removed the few free apps there used to be.
As good as W7 will turn out to be, one thing no OS can do is fixing this kind of structural weaknesses in the win "ecosystem".
I think it's for HTC's own good to update the Desire as soon as possible since potential buyers could go out to buy a Nexus if they wait too long.
With the Hero-update, it's another story I think because there were some issues and I think performance was one of them. And that way, HTC managed Hero users to go out and buy the Desire.
But this time, they can't do that move since the Desire is their top-device and the Nexus is a rival although they created the device. HTC would rather people buy the Desire than the Nexus of course.
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W7 looks poised to be a winner, however in my opinion Sense UI and the changes that HTC made to win mobile 6.5 for the HD2 , are so good that I really don't thik that this particular device needs a different OS.
HTC managed the incredible feat of making win 6.5 good, easy and a plasure to use.
In fact probably when (if) an upgrade for the HD2 will become available , I don't think that I will rush to install w7, which (as all new OSs) will probably see the light burdened with all sorts of bugs, glitches, and childhood diseases, while the newest ROM for HD2 coupled with Sense UI is eminentely stable, and just... good.
What win would need to compete with android is the so called "ecosystem" or "environment" : apps (specially free apps) and integration with cloud services, like Android does with Gmail, Gmaps (with sat nav), Gdocs, Gtalk, Gcalendar, Gtranslate, etc. etc.
I mean, have you seen the Windows marketplace? It's pathetic.
Even OVI market for my old N97 was better than this and I remember that it relly sucked.
They even removed the few free apps there used to be.
As good as W7 will turn out to be, one thing no OS can do is fixing this kind of structural weaknesses in the win "ecosystem".
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Well its been a long time since I have played with any winmo device, but I believe ms will make things right with wp7. They already announced new live wave 4 and hotmail support for POP3 and a lot of new techs. Also the so called ecosystem is going great, wp7 will have Xmas and xbox games on it (you will be able to play the very same games on mobile, xbox and pc). The new demos I have seen are amazing and done in very little time, and this is great for developers. One thing that I should expect is, although I like the new OS aspect, they intend that all devices should look the same. This is good for the final user, but for me, an enthusiastic user, I would want to make it more customized. Maybe latter on we will see this happening, but I will bet wp7 will rock! If only Nokia would put all their potential in making great phones with Android and wp7, that would be also great! Fingers crossed
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Well its been a long time since I have played with any winmo device, but I believe ms will make things right with wp7. They already announced new live wave 4 and hotmail support for POP3 and a lot of new techs. Also the so called ecosystem is going great, wp7 will have Xmas and xbox games on it (you will be able to play the very same games on mobile, xbox and pc). The new demos I have seen are amazing and done in very little time, and this is great for developers. One thing that I should expect is, although I like the new OS aspect, they intend that all devices should look the same. This is good for the final user, but for me, an enthusiastic user, I would want to make it more customized. Maybe latter on we will see this happening, but I will bet wp7 will rock! If only Nokia would put all their potential in making great phones with Android and wp7, that would be also great! Fingers crossed
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Ok, so my wife still has her tp2 and I upgraded it to tmobiles 6.5, then I flashed cell pro rom, leo cell pro, and finally went back to tmobile 6.5. When I had my tp2 I went through about a dozen roms all 6.5.(x in some cases) with sense 2.1 or 2.5. I eventually went back to 6.1 with tf3d 2.1 before I gave up and went for android.
My issue is the massive memory consumption with 6.5/sense. The stock upgrade runs at 70% used ideling. On both our phones I have done the res proxy tweak (setting it to 0/dynamic, and in some cases also deleting resprocy key from HKCU/software/htc/bootlauncher). I have run the no push internet (though tmobile doesnt use push internet on their roms but what the heck right?), I have installed SKTools and had its shadow services running in the background cleaning ram as I go; which doesnt seem to do a damn thing in WM 6.5 unlike in 6.1 it would keep the ram down to 49% used even after two weeks of use). With all of these tweaks, the ram creeps up to 70% again. Granted it boots up at 47% with all of these tweaks and seems like it will idle at around 55-60% fr a while, but then after a few hours of use it is back up to 70%. Sure clean ram will drop it 10-20%, but how is that acceptable to have that program do a cleanup every 3 hours just so the device is functional? At this rate, I have a single tasking phone that is multitask-able once every three hours before the memory is so low I (well now she) has to decide what program she wants to use.
So many of you are saying "Just use a custom rom". Sure, fine, did that. Several times on both phones and guess what? While the bootup may start out lower with the above tweaks, or higher, the end result is ALWAYS something about 70+% after a few hours. On the stock 6.1/tf3d she and I could go a month without a reboot to clean things up, but 6.5 and 6.5.x get to the point were even clean ram can only drop the usage down to about 69%, which quickly just goes right back to 70+%
So I read all the memory issue post and see people claim to keep a constant 60% or 66% and I cry "BS!" I just don't buy it. They post tips that I have tried and nothing works. When these people are asked what they do to manage it, they offer nothing new (I even tried setting the system cache to dangerously low levels as one post recommended!). So I am left to believe they are not being completely truthful or their is some super secret technique out there that does this. If there isnt, how can anybody be happy with having only 30-20% of their memory left for their use? Are you all just using one program at a time? when I used windows mobile I had several programs running at once because it was quicker to switch between my commonly used programs, and my wife is the same way. Now with this upgrade, its one or two programs allowed and the moment you open a third you run the risk of closing one of the other two.... but don't worry, they will be closed in about 5 minutes when cleanram runs it's sweep effectively rendering it a feature phone.
Please someone help me understand the super secret memory management technique everyone but me is using.
Before it is mentioned, I have done several test installing ONLY the rom upgrade or custom rom and not installing third party apps; just using the built in apps: Same result. 6.5 is nice and smooth in its function and she would like to use it, (6.1 was a little slow on some apps and its transcriber would skip; both of these issues are 100% gone in the upgrade).
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Ok, so my wife still has her tp2 and I upgraded it to tmobiles 6.5, then I flashed cell pro rom, leo cell pro, and finally went back to tmobile 6.5. When I had my tp2 I went through about a dozen roms all 6.5.(x in some cases) with sense 2.1 or 2.5. I eventually went back to 6.1 with tf3d 2.1 before I gave up and went for android.
My issue is the massive memory consumption with 6.5/sense. The stock upgrade runs at 70% used ideling. On both our phones I have done the res proxy tweak (setting it to 0/dynamic, and in some cases also deleting resprocy key from HKCU/software/htc/bootlauncher). I have run the no push internet (though tmobile doesnt use push internet on their roms but what the heck right?), I have installed SKTools and had its shadow services running in the background cleaning ram as I go; which doesnt seem to do a damn thing in WM 6.5 unlike in 6.1 it would keep the ram down to 49% used even after two weeks of use). With all of these tweaks, the ram creeps up to 70% again. Granted it boots up at 47% with all of these tweaks and seems like it will idle at around 55-60% fr a while, but then after a few hours of use it is back up to 70%. Sure clean ram will drop it 10-20%, but how is that acceptable to have that program do a cleanup every 3 hours just so the device is functional? At this rate, I have a single tasking phone that is multitask-able once every three hours before the memory is so low I (well now she) has to decide what program she wants to use.
So many of you are saying "Just use a custom rom". Sure, fine, did that. Several times on both phones and guess what? While the bootup may start out lower with the above tweaks, or higher, the end result is ALWAYS something about 70+% after a few hours. On the stock 6.1/tf3d she and I could go a month without a reboot to clean things up, but 6.5 and 6.5.x get to the point were even clean ram can only drop the usage down to about 69%, which quickly just goes right back to 70+%
So I read all the memory issue post and see people claim to keep a constant 60% or 66% and I cry "BS!" I just don't buy it. They post tips that I have tried and nothing works. When these people are asked what they do to manage it, they offer nothing new (I even tried setting the system cache to dangerously low levels as one post recommended!). So I am left to believe they are not being completely truthful or their is some super secret technique out there that does this. If there isnt, how can anybody be happy with having only 30-20% of their memory left for their use? Are you all just using one program at a time? when I used windows mobile I had several programs running at once because it was quicker to switch between my commonly used programs, and my wife is the same way. Now with this upgrade, its one or two programs allowed and the moment you open a third you run the risk of closing one of the other two.... but don't worry, they will be closed in about 5 minutes when cleanram runs it's sweep effectively rendering it a feature phone.
Please someone help me understand the super secret memory management technique everyone but me is using.
Before it is mentioned, I have done several test installing ONLY the rom upgrade or custom rom and not installing third party apps; just using the built in apps: Same result. 6.5 is nice and smooth in its function and she would like to use it, (6.1 was a little slow on some apps and its transcriber would skip; both of these issues are 100% gone in the upgrade).
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I can't offer any magic bullets here for you I'm afraid, but I just wanted to say that I think the blame can be squarely placed on Sense, as opposed to wm6.5 so much. Not to say that 6.5 is some kind of streamlined OS, but just try using the phone for a day, or even just a few hours, with Sense turned off, and this will become obvious.
I know that's not terribly insightful, but in problem solving you always want to divide and conquer, so you can at least know which of those two ways to direct your efforts. I wish you luck, honestly...I think there's a lot more TP2 owners out there who experience it exactly as you do, if not worse. My personal experience on my recent upgrade to a stock 6.5 ROM is slightly better than yours, but no more than 10%, and I'm fastidious about manual memory management (through pretty much the same methods you've listed). The only other thing I do that I don't see a lot of other users here doing, that I believe helps me sidestep other lagging issues, is keeping my sms folders trimmed at all times...as in, no more than 45-50 messages in there live at any given time. Will your memory load decrease if you do the same? I dunno, it's just the only other thing I could think of that you haven't already mentioned
Is "sense" the default UI? The HTC one I mean?
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Is "sense" the default UI? The HTC one I mean?
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On most TP2's yes....there were a few carrier ROMs (like the first tmobile WM6.1 ROM) that had the precursor to Sense, aka TF3D, but most carrier's ROMs either came with Sense or have now been upgraded to it.
Thanks Sirphunkee for your response. After several days of searching and finding no one able to give any sort of real answer to the massive memory consumption sense uses, I have sence reverted her phone back to the stock rom at her request (I dont blame her: 66-73% consumed when ideling is simply not acceptable by any standards). If al she were doing is running the homescreen plugin (sense) I guess this might be fine, but she actually uses the tp2 for other things than just looking at it and scrolling from tab to tab.
After going back to the stock rom, she is now able to use 8 programs at once and still have 45% of her memory available. The machine is snappy and functional even with that type of load on it. The most she could accomplish with 6.5/sense was maybe 5 programs but the machine came screeming to a halt.
I have to say, I am pretty impressed with android however. While it isnt quite where windows mobile was as far as being a completely useful tool (A LOT of uterly useless apps; more sound boards, backgrounds, and fart apps than any teenage boy could ever want!), but its on its way. I just wish it had a true apperatus for syncing to the desktop. This way developers could create companion apps for their software that I could sync with on my desktop. I absolutely hate visiting a website for my data.
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After going back to the stock rom, she is now able to use 8 programs at once and still have 45% of her memory available. The machine is snappy and functional even with that type of load on it. The most she could accomplish with 6.5/sense was maybe 5 programs but the machine came screeming to a halt.
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I'm glad you got something that works the way you want...but 8 programs running at once?! I assume that you're not joking...?
I'm sure that the reason you couldn't find much help on how to free up memory to the level you want is because nobody else needs to run that many programs at once.
Just curious: what 8 programs would a person need to run at the same time? And it's not useful with "only" 3 or 4 programs running simultaneously?
Of course, it's none of my business...I've just never heard of wanting to run that many programs simultaneously. I don't even do that on my PC at work (engineering R&D).
FWIW: My phone (running the ROM in my sig) boots at about 62% memory used and slowly grows. I run cleanRAM when memory use gets well above 70% (even though the phone still seems to perform fine at that level). That usually brings it down by about 15MB. Eventually cleanRAM can't do enough and I soft-reset. I don't find it difficult or inconvenient to do a soft-reset since it only takes a couple of minutes. I find that an acceptable compromise to avoid having to use the inconvenient 6.1 with 2.1. After running 6.5.5 for the past 4 or 5 months I can't even go back to regular 6.5.
YMMV...and obviously does!
Honestly, when my phone (Tilt 2) wakes me up in the morning with the alarm, I immediately do a soft reset while I evacuate fluids and brush teeth. It is good for the day. I tend to hover around 60%.
But I am running the stock Tilt 2 rom which is still 2.1
Don't want to make any form of advertising or spam, but I honestly think that you should try my Hybrid ROM. Sense 2.5 and WM6.1 improves the used memory a lot. Now I have fixed all important incompatibility bugs, so it's reliable and much faster then any other Sense 2.5 rom. If you don't care about the WM6.5 eye-candy and you're prepared for some stylus use, try it.
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I have to say, I am pretty impressed with android however. While it isnt quite where windows mobile was as far as being a completely useful tool (A LOT of uterly useless apps; more sound boards, backgrounds, and fart apps than any teenage boy could ever want!), but its on its way. I just wish it had a true apperatus for syncing to the desktop. This way developers could create companion apps for their software that I could sync with on my desktop. I absolutely hate visiting a website for my data.
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So there's a tool to convert the iPhone marketplace to Android marketplace? Neat.
Honestly mine does great runnin latest energy rom with the ssk and push internet + memory leak mod. have weather animation disabled and also turned off animation on cookie tabs. amazingly quick. my memory runs bout 60% idle.. which is great compared to what it was on the stock att rom. energyrom 4/17/10 6.5 with sense 2.5
i would like to post this thread to ask all the PRO here,
what would u pick if i ask you to just select one OS for ur Ralph?
WinMo?
Android 2.2?
i am seriously thinking to change it from WinMo.
what do you think?
myself will be switching perm to android on my raph very soon as progress has moved forward alot on it only a couple things like camera and battery life ..but from what i understand they may be close to working and fixed
meego for opengles v2
But seriously android.
but yeah seriously i dont know anyone whos tried android and wants to go back to slow crappy winmo.
I can totally agree on it!
From the early stage of kaiser android development, even with almost nothing working, it was still better then winmo. Now kaiser is working cometely and its way better then winmo.
Im not using my touch pro as a phone right now (primarilly because of battery life), but as soon as thats fixed its donating time again and switching to android on touch pro.
Does anyone know the progress on nand for touch pro (and could the same menu from kaiser be used for it to install?)?
Sent from my Full Android on Vogue using XDA App
As soon as Android is flashable - it's bye-bye WinMo for me...
Once camera is working and better battery management levels are obtainable on my touch pro, i won't be going back. I already love everything about android and the games and apps i've been using.
OH, and my whole data signal just stopping after some time for no reason, even though my sprint APN still shows and is checked.
how about run on system memory
anyone know the diff between running the android from memory or from the system memory, will we gain extra speed if we use the system to run?
and will that damage the winmo OS if so?
thanks in advance.
p.s. the launcher pro is expired and i want to install a new one but it will need me to remove/uninstall the previous one.
i try the "application manager" in "settting" but i can't select the "uninstall"
any expert can teach me how?
million thanks in advance.
It's not Ralph, it's Raph
But seriously, I prefer Android more. I use it daily and it rocks!
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Once camera is working and better battery management levels are obtainable on my touch pro, i won't be going back. I already love everything about android and the games and apps i've been using.
OH, and my whole data signal just stopping after some time for no reason, even though my sprint APN still shows and is checked.
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Use viruscrazy's kernel regarding the battery management issue.
gm112 said:
Use viruscrazy's kernel regarding the battery management issue.
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Yeah, i've been highly following and testing viruscrazy's kernel, and it's awesome compared to stock, but he even mentioned you can't use his stuff along with the newest 2.2 (sept.16 release) since there are lot's of new differences that would cause problems. But until then, his stuff does make a huge difference in properly registering battery level's (within 10% tolerance on my touch pro at least, much better even on other devices.)
Bluetooth also needs some work. I'm not sure the FM radio works in Android.
i'm kinda noobie here..
Are all the application we can use in android can also be use in xdandroids?
mizu_ai said:
i'm kinda noobie here..
Are all the application we can use in android can also be use in xdandroids?
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Eh, for the most part... Not every app will work guaranteed tho. Just try it out, let us know how it works...
I don't get why you posted this question in this thread tho!
wow, i´m really excited to read this posts! i've had my raph for 2 days now and i am really happy with it already flashed winmo 6.5 but i'm really anxious to try out android
I have a question. I have a brand new never activated or used sealed touch pro that I'm thinking about opening and activating just so I can use android on it. But I wanna know is the phone going to have the same battery over heating and freezing issues if I'm using android as if when wm is used. Is those problems os related of phone hardware related?
if so I rather use android on the touch vogue if I'm going have the same over heating issues on the touch tiamond andtouch pro. Or just use wm on my yreo pro.
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I have a question. I have a brand new never activated or used sealed touch pro that I'm thinking about opening and activating just so I can use android on it. But I wanna know is the phone going to have the same battery over heating and freezing issues if I'm using android as if when wm is used. Is those problems os related of phone hardware related?
if so I rather use android on the touch vogue if I'm going have the same over heating issues on the touch tiamond andtouch pro. Or just use wm on my yreo pro.
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Vogue port is basically complete as I understand it. Can't guarantee you won't have issues on your TP. This devices port isn't quite done yet...
the statistical numbers are: winmo:21 vs android 46.
Well, have to say people came to this thread since they like android and use android daily, so the testing result may not be true. It should be more correct by making this survey on the first Fuze discussion site (let Fuze winmo users and android users vote together), just my $.02
For me, 1st Fuze is a phone, dialing effect, talking time and standby time are the most important things to me; 2nd it is an email receiver, web browser; 3rd it is a GPS; 4th, a toy that I can play (games or a brick I can throw )
Android has smoother touch feeling and nicer looking, but for the short battery life and no camera fixed, I will still using my winmo for now.
Windows mobile.
Android is still lacking.. touch screen issues, camera. Our devices dont have a compass. So none of the augmented reality programs will run on our phone.
Ive never been able to get the touch screen to work to my liking. Ive done the touch configuration literally 100s of times. The screen is still off when i touch it. (holding down an icon to move/delete can be very frustrating)
I use Android to play a few media apps (iheartradio) that we just dont have on WM. Other than that, I boot back to WM.
Ok, i cant flash my Orange branded Touch Pro 2. SOOOOOO....
I have searched for the absolutly best way to get the ultimate performance from my device. Whether its the Orange ROM (WM6.5) or some wee glitch with my phone, ive had issues. I find Sense slow and buggy and have been plagued with freezes and having to rest several times every day. Battery performance has been poor and in general a fantastic machine just wasnt cutting the mustard (even went back to my Kaiser for a while).
The problems seem to be common enough tbh.
Anyway with just a few differences my machine has become the chalk against the previous cheese. A hard rest and forgetting about Sense was the start. Ive replaced it with SPB Mobile Shell 3.5.5. Combined with obvious backlight time adjustments, and a few 'Advanced Config' tweaks, my Touch Pro 2 has just become a different machine!
Much more smooth and resets just arent necessary.
Ive sacraficed Opera for the latest Opera Mini. More than adequate for my purposes and the interface is actually handier to use for people whos internet access is concentrated on just a few sites/ forums.
Im not on here advertising SPB by the way, just what ive found myself!
Unless you are a massive super user, i dont find the need for OCT or the like. I use MSM most of the day, regular Opera Mini, heavy SMS and occasional Word Mobile and find hte above arrangement brilliant.
Has anyone else any suggestions in the same vein that can help even more?? I am, and im sure most users are, open to minor tweaks. Flashing is a no go.
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I prefer CHT with OCT. My device absolutely flies. When it begins to lag a bit after using more than 5 apps, I just CleanRAM custom. Works like a charm. I have found that the device will work at maximum performance when installing everything to the Storage Card. Having all the RAM available for the OS keeps it faster for me. It seems that there is a performance difference when you have 70Gb as opposed to 50Gb. CleanRAM really is the greatest thing for this device.
I tried SPB Shell a few months ago, but I think CHT is much better. Theres way more customization and I find it easier to navigate. You just put your favorite apps in 3 pages. The Shell had things needlessly in different locations and into sub categories. It just didn't suit me.
use these roms. energy reference or titanium. theyre smooth and easy
http://hotfile.com/list/599461/c264c05
Quincey113 said:
Ok, i cant flash my Orange branded Touch Pro 2. SOOOOOO....
I have searched for
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most users are, open to minor tweaks. Flashing is a no go.
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use these roms. energy reference or titanium. theyre smooth and easy
http://hotfile.com/list/599461/c264c05
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lol
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I was trying to use a modded HTC Home plugin with HTC Home Customizer but ran up against too many problems, so I've returned to Sense for now. I'm hoping to flash a new ROM sometime soon, once I've reinstalled XP and 7 on my PC (I've only got Vista left as running normally, and dislike it too much to rely on it). I've also installed SPB shell on my wife's Acer e200, so was considering it, but I want to finish running some tests with the graphics drivers available here, with sense vs. sense turned off and some minor media playback issues first.
oh, i should have said. flashing is pretty much ur only way to improve what you want.
soooo.... if flash is a no go... new device maybe?
Hello all,
Whilst it hasn't been confirmed 100% that HTC Desire users will get the new Sense software as currently seen on the DesireHD - I just wanted to put across some of my opinions and ask if other feel the same way as me.
There's some DesireHD ROMs in the Desire Android Development section, which for the most part are based fully on the ROM found inside the HTC RUU, but moving most of the system applications to a EXT partition.
This means that the software itself on the phone is pretty much all of HTC's work, there's no added applications by the ROM chef.
This means, if (and that's a big if seeing as the Desire's /system partition is smaller than that of the DesireHD's) the Desire Sense 2.0 software we're apparently going to get will be very similar to the custom ROM's we're seeing now.
If this is the case, I'll be extremely disappointed by some of the direction that HTC have taken. They seem to have completely moved away from creating a better user interface for their consumers and instead, tried to find ways of making a quick buck or two.
For example:
SoundHound Trial - Installed to /system, so for those who do not root, this is uninstallable. I have Shazam with unlimited tagging due to installing it before a certain date
HTC Locations - A link to enabling Premium Navigation from Route66
AmazonMP3 - Tied into the music player
So I assume they have some deals in place with the developers / owners of these services, so they get some investment for distributing this software with their phones?
I don't want my ROM to be infested with trial ware, I bought my HTC Desire SIM free so I've given them my bloody money.
Okay, so I can remove these easily as I do root my phones and know my way around ADB but I just don't like the fact HTC are doing this after how clean the WWE ROM for the HTC Desire was.
Does anyone share the same opinion or see where I'm coming from?
I'm sure all users would feel the same way as you do if HTC only included some trial-ware stuff. But this is hardly the case. The new Sense has a lot of significant improvements. Just to name a few:
-pinch in browser to access tabs.
-new interface in Mail (allows you to quickly select multiple messages to action)
-new widgets
-offline maps
-HTCsense.com
-fast boot
-themes
etc
Now, if those included softwares actually get in the way of the day-to-day operations of the phone, then sure, users would be pissed. For example, in the US, there are Android phones sold where it forces the user to use Bing for search and maps. HTC certainly doesn't force you onto those apps. You can choose to ignore them if you wish.
Sometimes, you just got to weigh the benefits with the drawbacks. I personally don't like having trialware on my phone. But the advantages of the new ROM far outweighs the minor inconvenience of me having to ignore the trial stuff...
I haven't had a chance to look into the new sense much (but i like the sound of the htcsense.com stuff) - but I would find it annoying having trialware that can't be removed - whenever I get a new laptop the first thing to go is all the junk (usually by a fresh re-install of the OS in some cases!)
at least with a PC it can be removed - I'm hoping that any extra junk that is installed can be ignored as the new features of Sense 2.0 seem nice!
I agree with the OP on this. First of all the Desire has a very limited internal memory. They wanted to cut costs on that and now they realize 512MB is not enough for everything and have increased it for Desire Z and HD. Thanks to all the mods here we are able to root and move some portion of rom to sd giving us more freedom to install apps.
Loading the system partition with bloat/crapware like this is going to bring down the useful data partition size and making it uninstallable makes me go what the *&^%
I paid my money and so "I" should decide what app are installed in my phone not "them" making those crapwares uninstallable is not good at all... they didnt give the phone for free or @ discounted rate...
Including trialwares is one thing... but making them non-removable completely puts me off. Being locked out of doing what I want with my device is what made me hate Apple... Android is open.. users do what they want or like.. it must be kept that way..
Hey,
I'm considering WP7 and one thing that really concerns me is the apparently painfully slow load times associated with running third party apps.
I've seen reviewers commenting on the huge difference between first and third party software on WP7, but I haven't been able to experience it in the stores because most phones there aren't connected to marketplace.
Anyway, YouTube videos of the Facebook app show incredibly jagged scrolling and a looong load time. This directly contrasts the amazingly smooth and quick UI.
Have you guys experienced this disconnect between first and third party? Are load times really that bad? As I'm switching from an Android device most things load instantaneously, so it'd be a shame to switch to something slow.
Opinions would be greatly valued.
Thanks heaps
yeah, I put alot of it down to devs trying to rush things out the door to get into the market place
That and the type of memory storage used. I personally would recommend one of the samsung or lg phones as their use of NAND storage really helps load times on apps. In the end though, it doesn't make a huge difference, and really like others have said, if devs take the time, it shouldn't take an app too long to load.
Believe me when I say it's not down to the phones/os, but rather hurried coding on the dev's side of things. In general though, everything is crazily fast, minus the few poorly coded apps that I tend to avoid anyway
Alex
Yeah it really comes down to apps on an individual basis. My RSS Reader and Weather Channel apps load fast, but facebook takes about 10-15 seconds to completely load everything. Shazam is pretty fast too but the "painfully long" load times are going to be graphic intensive 3D games. Those can take a minute to get from tapping the icon to actually playing.
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jennan88 said:
Hey,
I'm considering WP7 and one thing that really concerns me is the apparently painfully slow load times associated with running third party apps.
I've seen reviewers commenting on the huge difference between first and third party software on WP7, but I haven't been able to experience it in the stores because most phones there aren't connected to marketplace.
Anyway, YouTube videos of the Facebook app show incredibly jagged scrolling and a looong load time. This directly contrasts the amazingly smooth and quick UI.
Have you guys experienced this disconnect between first and third party? Are load times really that bad? As I'm switching from an Android device most things load instantaneously, so it'd be a shame to switch to something slow.
Opinions would be greatly valued.
Thanks heaps
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Had my Focus since Nov 8. All of my apps have installed very quickly via Zune and Marketplace.
They all load very quickly, as well - MUCH faster than any app on my TP2. Almost all of them have been updated by the devs, though, since thier releases.
I haven't had the same sort of experience to be honest. In terms of loading times everything seems to be fine as far as the apps I've tried. I've heard this stuff as well but it just hasn't been true in my experience.
Yes, I am working on a very intensive 2D game with advanced AIs and animations that will eventually go multi-player after socket support and my startup time is about 2-3 seconds, even with a boatload of sprites and a BIG uncompressed wave file. In addition, it runs absolutely smoothly, as I programmed it in XNA, and I was glad to see that the phone ran my code FAR better than the PC emulator (to the point of perfection).
The storage speed is not THAT bad on MicroSDs. It is bad, compared to other things, but horrible initializations and bad code will simply result in long startup times. I haven't even cleaned my code up yet and I am doing it with a partner, so it needs a lot of cleaning up.
Regardless, devs also need to realize that they cannot continue to re-allocate continuously like they do on PCs, as the bytecode interpreter does a clean-up of all the memory on the phone whenever new space is needed. It is sad that developers can't get these things through their thick skulls.
Honestly, I don't know why these programs have such long startup times. I can imagine with a MicroSD and a 3D game with lots of data to load, like Assassin's Creed, there could be a long load, but for some reason simple apps like Facebook and such aren't living up to even mediocre load and run speeds.
water911 said:
Yes, I am working on a very intensive 2D game with advanced AIs and animations that will eventually go multi-player after socket support and my startup time is about 2-3 seconds, even with a boatload of sprites and a BIG uncompressed wave file. In addition, it runs absolutely smoothly, as I programmed it in XNA, and I was glad to see that the phone ran my code FAR better than the PC emulator (to the point of perfection).
The storage speed is not THAT bad on MicroSDs. It is bad, compared to other things, but horrible initializations and bad code will simply result in long startup times. I haven't even cleaned my code up yet and I am doing it with a partner, so it needs a lot of cleaning up.
Regardless, devs also need to realize that they cannot continue to re-allocate continuously like they do on PCs, as the bytecode interpreter does a clean-up of all the memory on the phone whenever new space is needed. It is sad that developers can't get these things through their thick skulls.
Honestly, I don't know why these programs have such long startup times. I can imagine with a MicroSD and a 3D game with lots of data to load, like Assassin's Creed, there could be a long load, but for some reason simple apps like Facebook and such aren't living up to even mediocre load and run speeds.
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Yeah, my application also loads completely in about 2 seconds, and in general, most of the apps I have used have been pretty quick. Facebook is probably the biggest exception.
Agree with everyone else, it's due to the devs not knowing what they are doing - which in turn is down to the platform still being new (lots of devs still do not have a device and use only the emulator for testing). I've seen vast improvekents as apps have been updated though, so wouldnt worry about it.
In regards to what some people have been saying about Nand vs MicroSD, is there actually that big of a difference?
I'm tossing up between Trophy, HD7 or Omnia 7, so I'd like to know if I'm shooting myself in the foot by buying HTC because I prefer LCD to AMOLED
jennan88 said:
Hey,
I'm considering WP7 and one thing that really concerns me is the apparently painfully slow load times associated with running third party apps.
I've seen reviewers commenting on the huge difference between first and third party software on WP7, but I haven't been able to experience it in the stores because most phones there aren't connected to marketplace.
Anyway, YouTube videos of the Facebook app show incredibly jagged scrolling and a looong load time. This directly contrasts the amazingly smooth and quick UI.
Have you guys experienced this disconnect between first and third party? Are load times really that bad? As I'm switching from an Android device most things load instantaneously, so it'd be a shame to switch to something slow.
Opinions would be greatly valued.
Thanks heaps
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from my experience, they aren't slow to load (except for games), but they are very slow to resume. If you try to navigate back to one using the back button, or if your screen locks while a third party app is open, it takes quite a while for the app to "resume" to where you left off
This a main concern of mine. Apps that would run smoothly on Android like Facebook, IMDB, Last.fm, etc. run slow as molasses on WP7. Hopefully MS starts putting these devs in order or else I'm walking.
zukа said:
In regards to what some people have been saying about Nand vs MicroSD, is there actually that big of a difference?
I'm tossing up between Trophy, HD7 or Omnia 7, so I'd like to know if I'm shooting myself in the foot by buying HTC because I prefer LCD to AMOLED
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Out of curiosity, why do you prefer LCD over AMOLED?
People talk about how high contrast AMOLED is, and that's true - it is. But I find it's oversaturated to a point where nothing looks natural - a photo that displays perfectly well on LCD will look like a horribly photoshopped nightmare on AMOLED.
The main problem for me, though, is color banding.
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010/11/17/the-problem-with-super-amoled-screens-nasty-color-banding/
I can't stand it
I am sure that it is third party most of the time, Weave (the RSS reader that I use) actually loads up rather quickly and it just went through an update a couple days ago. The update also made the resume time pretty quickly.
Moral of the short story, it depends on the developer most of the time. The quick apps are usually the ones that have been updated recently while the slow ones, haven't. Not the OS problem.
Although, games sometimes load up rather slow based on my experience. Hoping the update improves load times for games by a large margin.
manny84 said:
This a main concern of mine. Apps that would run smoothly on Android like Facebook, IMDB, Last.fm, etc. run slow as molasses on WP7. Hopefully MS starts putting these devs in order or else I'm walking.
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Out of those three apps, the only one running slow is Facebook - which is completely due to the way it's written.
In general, apps are fairly fast both to load and resume now (recently released or updated ones that is). Also, the "January" update comes with memory optimization which further shortens load times (although mostly for games).
Just my $0.02, but coming from a Touch Pro 2 ALL the load times seem fast, even Facebook and games. I also have an iPod Touch 4G and my WP7 load times are on par with that.