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Anyone moved from XDA mini s? Hows the lack of keyboard?

Hi Everyone,
I'm using the xda mini s at the moment and love it. Would obviously really like to add integrated GPS though.
3G is of little interest to me, so the Orbit looks perfect.
Only problem...no keyboard. How have you guys got round that? I simply cannot be bothered to always use the stylus.....will it be pointless for me then? Or have they managed to create a good alternative.
Would appreciate anyones views and experiences.
Thanks
HPJ

well i dont have orbit however played with it for a while when my friend got one.
What can i say. Trackball and wheel solution are good, imo much better to navigate phone then normal joypad.
However. It doesnt have a keyboard
So already having external Bluetooth gps i see no reason why i would buy orbit instead of hunting for htc herald which is the same factor but with keyboard...
And that would be ( and in fact will be ) my choice. Of course question now where to get herald from as it retails for £300+... i would just wait until my upgrade time comes and buy something else and sell it in order to finance new herald.

I had a wizard before the Orbit. Have to admit that I do miss the "real" keyboard and havent really found an on screen keyboard that makes entering text as easy. I did only use it occasionally though and love the size and look of the Orbit so it seems to more than make up for it in my opinion.

Hi, I've recently upgraded from a Mini S to the Orbit.
I've not really missed the keyboard, but I guess it depends on how you use the device. I've installed the T9 phonepad .cab file that's available on here & I use that for sending text messages. Why the hell it wasn't included as standard I have no idea - seems daft cos if i remember correctly, it is included on the Mini S :s
If you use your device to enter a lot of text though, e.g. sending emails or using it to edit word documents, then you might find the on-screen keyboard very fiddly to use.

I manage to successfully type on the software keyboard with my two thumbs using the Xda Orbit in landscape mode, I make a few errors but I'm used to making and correcting those on a PC keyboard anyway so I get by. Something the same size of the Orbit with a slide out keyboard would be awesome but at the moment I can't see how it would be realistic.

The Orbit is SOOO much better. It's much slimmer so doesn't feel like such a brick (imagine the mini s minus the whole top screen section (the silver bit)
I also installed phonepad and it works well. Built in gps and slimmer phone are the key factors for me
It also has start menu and ok keys on the front, so 1 handed operation is good
If the keyboard was a real issue, I would use SPB full keyboard - check that out if you have concerns

Excellent feedback, thanks everyone.
Think it sounds worth it...think I'll make the move.
Also checked out that SPB keyboard. Looks great.
Will let you know how I get on (in case anyone else is in the same position)
Cheers
HPJ

I too am making the move from my mini s... gald to be leaving th bulk behind.
i am torn between the trinity or the artemis ... i was wondering on what you guys know about this sd card problem if you'd recommen going for the trinity instead... only thing it seems to lack is the fm radio!
any thoughts?

chickyd said:
I too am making the move from my mini s... gald to be leaving th bulk behind.
i am torn between the trinity or the artemis ... i was wondering on what you guys know about this sd card problem if you'd recommen going for the trinity instead... only thing it seems to lack is the fm radio!
any thoughts?
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SD card problem is affecting all the devices You may check the forums.

I have just contacted O2 to send back my mini s (wizard) and
I am getting an orbit instead. My old phone is a magician, and when I got the mini s, I was really disappointed!
Obviously it has features such as wifi etc that my magician didn't have, but it was a big clunky plasticy slow monstrosity.
I realised that I actually preferred my magician, so I got straight on the phone to O2.
Ok, rant over. The point of this is that I didn't appreciate the keyboard on the mini S at all. I have spb fullscreen keyboard and spb pocketplus on my magician, and I never ever have to use the stylus. I set the icons on the pocketplus today screen to large, and use the soft keyboard for texting etc.
The keyboard for me makes the device practical, I don't think I'd still have a pda phone if I hadn't discovered it.
I actually dropped my stylus at my friend's house and wasn't aware that it was missing until she returned it to me nearly three weeks later...
By the way, I don't work for spb or anything lol!
If you read about the apple iphone, you'll see that they have done away with the stylus by using a similar interface.
Obviously the way to go!

I've always used the letter recogniser on XDA's find the on screen keyboards clumbersome.
My other half hates the bulk of the keyboard on her Mini.

I've moved from the Mini-S to XDA orbit. Full screen keyboard is ok, but I find it a little cumbersome.
I've just discovered the International T9 Phonepad from this very forum, and it works a treat, well, once I discovered "Tab" was "space" anyway!! Great for notes and calendar entries, and makes one-handed text entry a real possibility. Definately worth a try!

HTC Touch / Elf / P3450 ?

Is there going to be a section for the HTC Touch/elf soon? It was released yesterday. http://www.htctouch.com
I just ordered mine
Can't wait for it to get here.

OK, I have received my HTC Touch! It really is as amazing as it looks. Any questions or comments post here.
The only little problem I have had is the weather app. does not have a town close enough to me but I've solved that.
Here's what I did:
Go here http://www.accuweather.com/us-city-list.asp?zipcode=&u=1&partner=accuweather and find the weather page for your city/state/county. Take a look at the URL, on the end, you should see something like:
locCode=EUR|FI|FI002|HELSINKI|&u=1
(Helsinki is already in the weather file, this is just an example!)
Take a note of this.
The file we need to edit is read-only, and I can't see a way of editing it via activesync/windows. I just got a load of write-protect errors. I got a tool called TotalCommander, it's a freeware file viewer/editor for the PPC.
In TotalCommander, navigate to \Windows\ and open HH_0409_WeatherCities.xml
Once you're inside this file all you need to do is copy an existing entry and make sure you put in the corresponding weather data from the step above.
Ex.
<city name="Helsinki, FI" locationcode="EUR|FI|FI002|HELSINKI"/>
Easy

Questions...
indeed I have a lot of questions
first congratulations for getting this awesome device so fast. I think of buying it because it's nearly of the same size as my HTC S620 Excalibur smartphone but I have NO experience in PPCs...
So here we go
1. how is the battery life
(I know it will last a while until you can say something significant)
2. how much memory is available
(internal user Flash and RAM) - on my S620 I have installed nearly everything I regularly need on the phone since it has 66MB of user flash available)
3. Can you run TomTom on it?
4. any software issues with installing third party programs
5. how is the screen?
good readable in direct sunlight?
6. how is the screen protection?
Is it soft as a usual touch screen or hard as a mobile phone screen?
Is it possible to mount a screen protector without losing "touch control"?
7. how is the loudspeaker?
loud and clear enough for navigation in car?
8. Do you have the possibility to compare the speed with a standard smartphone?
That's it for the first - maybe to come more if I have forgotten something
Thanks in advance for your answers
and habe a lot of fun with your new toy

Hi!
I will try and answer your questions as accurately as possible, but bear in mind I have only had this device for a little over 12 hours, and I had to sleep at some point during those hours.
1. Battery life so far is good. HTC state battery life should be 5 hours talk and 200h standby and I think this is quite accurate.
When I got it it was partially charged. I charged it for an hour or 2 (while using it) and used it heavily after that, around 4 hours of bluetoothing, wifi and camera. This morning the battery is at 57%. I'm quite happy with that, considering I have not even given it even 1 full charge/discharge cycle.
2. 128MB of ROM and 64MB of RAM. 32.5MB Free out-of-box. It comes with a 1gb microSD but I've already upgraded to 2gb.
3. Yep, TomTom is one of the first things I installed
4. No software issues so far, but I have only installed a couple of games and Spb GPRS Monitor. My one gripe software-wise is that there is no 'Internet Calling', no built-in voip.
5. The screen is great. Really clear, crisp and readable. The WM6 image they have has cleartype (no tuning application, mind)
6. Screen protection is not great. The screen itself is flush to the phone, there is no recess like other touch-screen devices. While this makes it look great, and makes it easy to touch buttons on the edge, it also makes it very scratchable. Luckily the phone comes with a nice little HTC case. The case is a snug fit, not big or obtrusive, no straps, loops or anything. It is a spongy material with soft interior. I am not using a screen protector because the case will do just fine. The screen protector that's included with the device looks like it would fit well and go almost unnoticed but I am a bit reluctant to put it on because you already have to be very 'positive' with the screen to get it to react. This is by no means a bad thing, by the way. Overall, it feels good to use.
7. I have yet to properly test the loudspeaker. I gave tomtom a quick blast and from what I heard, I think it would be fine in a car.
8. Well I have moved to this device from a HTC hermes. Yes, there is a difference in speed but I personally dont find it a problem. I would consider myself a bit more than a casual PDA user (if that makes any sense). I use it for work, surfing, gaming and obviously phone calls/sms and I dont have a problem with the speed. I think this is possibly an unfair comparison however, as something that may take 5 seconds on a hermes could take 10 on the Touch -- but the hermes would have crashed half way
The only smartphone I have really had experience with is the N91. I found the N91 so slow I had to get rid of it. I'm keeping the Touch
Hope this has cleared a few things up.

VOIP
Is it possible to run programs like skype for VOIP on the HTC touch?
And how is the quality of the camera and music?
Thanks

How's the Cube Touch interface?
alanp23 said:
OK, I have received my HTC Touch! It really is as amazing as it looks. Any questions or comments post here.
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Hi alanp23. Firstly congrats on your new HTC Touch. I love the flush look of this baby and would much prefer this over any i-phone wanna be PDA.
As your no newbie to PPC's, you'll undoubtedly be aware that you can overclock the TiOmap processor to about 240- 260Mhz without issue.
I found my old overclocked HTC Prophet outperformed my 400Mhz Hermes. Fancy that!!
Anyway...cut to the chase. I know you have hardly had your device for a few minutes, but would you mind making your ROM/extended ROM visible and seeing if there is a cab file for the Cube Touch software? If you are able to extract it and upload it here or to the Athena forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310459
This would be greatly appreciated by the xda community as we could try and see if it would be possible to run on other devices.
I doubt very much if it will run on the Athena, but we're all willing to give it a run.
What do you say? Up for it? Thanks if you are and I understand if you're not.
Either way, enjoy your new toy, it looks fab.
P.S. If your using TomTom and haven't checked out an alternative, you simply must have a look at the repackaged version of iGo My Way GPS software known as MioMap v3.2 with the Quicksilver Map. It's far better and more accurate than TomTom and much more configurable. Also, it takes up much less space on your device.

alanp23 said:
Hi!
Hope this has cleared a few things up.
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YES!
Thank you very much - I can't wait to come back home from my business trip to order a TOUCH! Great!!! Better than expected so far.

mackaby007 said:
... making your ROM/extended ROM visible and seeing if there is a cab file for the Cube Touch software?
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there is a touch.dll as well as I heard...

r0p3 said:
there is a touch.dll as well as I heard...
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Please do share where and what exactly you have learnt in relation to this.
I can just see some of the programmers here hacking and improving on it somehow so the rest of us can benefit from it. That would be cool.

Don't get the information lost, please use this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310624 to talk about dumping the HTC Touch. We must get together to get it.

mackaby007 said:
Hi alanp23. Firstly congrats on your new HTC Touch. I love the flush look of this baby and would much prefer this over any i-phone wanna be PDA.
As your no newbie to PPC's, you'll undoubtedly be aware that you can overclock the TiOmap processor to about 240- 260Mhz without issue.
I found my old overclocked HTC Prophet outperformed my 400Mhz Hermes. Fancy that!!
Anyway...cut to the chase. I know you have hardly had your device for a few minutes, but would you mind making your ROM/extended ROM visible and seeing if there is a cab file for the Cube Touch software? If you are able to extract it and upload it here or to the Athena forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310459
This would be greatly appreciated by the xda community as we could try and see if it would be possible to run on other devices.
I doubt very much if it will run on the Athena, but we're all willing to give it a run.
What do you say? Up for it? Thanks if you are and I understand if you're not.
Either way, enjoy your new toy, it looks fab.
P.S. If your using TomTom and haven't checked out an alternative, you simply must have a look at the repackaged version of iGo My Way GPS software known as MioMap v3.2 with the Quicksilver Map. It's far better and more accurate than TomTom and much more configurable. Also, it takes up much less space on your device.
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me too me too

mackaby007 said:
As your no newbie to PPC's, you'll undoubtedly be aware that you can overclock the TiOmap processor to about 240- 260Mhz without issue.
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Any threads I can read regarding this?
mackaby007 said:
Anyway...cut to the chase. I know you have hardly had your device for a few minutes, but would you mind making your ROM/extended ROM visible and seeing if there is a cab file for the Cube Touch software? If you are able to extract it and upload it here or to the Athena forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310459
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And again Any threads I can read? I have never dumped a ROM before -- only flashed one. I am willing to try it an even spend a little time trying to get a working cab together for you guys. I am a software engineer and although I dont code for PDAs I'm sure I can work out how this works.
Thanks.

alanp23 please check your P. Messages please

alanp23 said:
Hi!
4. ... My one gripe software-wise is that there is no 'Internet Calling', no built-in voip.
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Does this mean that I won't be able to use the VoIP "tweak" in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299950 ?
If thats true then it really sucks ;-(

Touch rom dump
I am very interested in a full rom dump of touch, alanp23 if you can make this...
Thanks

FAMAN said:
I am very interested in a full rom dump of touch, alanp23 if you can make this...
Thanks
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look over there: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1303808#post1303808
walstoned just did it

alanp23 said:
OK, I have received my HTC Touch! It really is as amazing as it looks. Any questions or comments post here.
The only little problem I have had is the weather app. does not have a town close enough to me but I've solved that.
Here's what I did:
Go here http://www.accuweather.com/us-city-list.asp?zipcode=&u=1&partner=accuweather and find the weather page for your city/state/county. Take a look at the URL, on the end, you should see something like:
locCode=EUR|FI|FI002|HELSINKI|&u=1
(Helsinki is already in the weather file, this is just an example!)
Take a note of this.
The file we need to edit is read-only, and I can't see a way of editing it via activesync/windows. I just got a load of write-protect errors. I got a tool called TotalCommander, it's a freeware file viewer/editor for the PPC.
In TotalCommander, navigate to \Windows\ and open HH_0409_WeatherCities.xml
Once you're inside this file all you need to do is copy an existing entry and make sure you put in the corresponding weather data from the step above.
Ex.
<city name="Helsinki, FI" locationcode="EUR|FI|FI002|HELSINKI"/>
Easy
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Tried it, but the url I see is : http://www.accuweather.com/us/fl/na...recast.asp?partner=accuweather&u=1&traveler=1
Does not match up to anything I see to modify.
Anyone else get this to work? I love the new home page, but miss weather panel now.

I cheated and found it by using a firefox plugin... it worked for me
The addon/plugin is called "forecastfox" https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/398
Seems to work fine in FF v3
Enjoy!

alanp23 said:
OK, I have received my HTC Touch! It really is as amazing as it looks. Any questions or comments post here.
The only little problem I have had is the weather app. does not have a town close enough to me but I've solved that.
Here's what I did:
Go here http://www.accuweather.com/us-city-list.asp?zipcode=&u=1&partner=accuweather and find the weather page for your city/state/county. Take a look at the URL, on the end, you should see something like:
locCode=EUR|FI|FI002|HELSINKI|&u=1
(Helsinki is already in the weather file, this is just an example!)
Take a note of this.
The file we need to edit is read-only, and I can't see a way of editing it via activesync/windows. I just got a load of write-protect errors. I got a tool called TotalCommander, it's a freeware file viewer/editor for the PPC.
In TotalCommander, navigate to \Windows\ and open HH_0409_WeatherCities.xml
Once you're inside this file all you need to do is copy an existing entry and make sure you put in the corresponding weather data from the step above.
Ex.
<city name="Helsinki, FI" locationcode="EUR|FI|FI002|HELSINKI"/>
Easy
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hey thanks for the that, i have my code as AFR|ZA|SF009|POLOKWANE. it works on the website but it give me "Unable to retrieve data for selected city when i use the today plugin on my touch.

weather plugin
I can't edit this file - HH_0409_WeatherCities.xml - because it is in ROM. I can edit it on PC but I can't overwrite it on the older version. Any idea?
Thanks

SlingPlayer on HD

Now this is a new issue...Once started, on portrait mode, the slingplayer screen takes half the screnn of the HD.Also it is impossible to change channels as the buttons seem pressed there.
On Landscape mode the screen is filled up almost to the 90% capacity of the HD , thus making it very very comfortable to watch.
Does anyone have any idea how to fix the portrait mode???
Thanks

slingplayer impossible to use (touchscreen version)
has anyone managed to get slingplayer mobile working well on Touch HD? The buttons are impossible to use for the remote very small and not mapped correctly, also the full screen is not the whole screen only part of it.. anyone got any tips? I searched but noone seems to have solved this?

Hope it's sorted soon, asked the wife for a Slingbox for xmas :/

Davebravey said:
Hope it's sorted soon, asked the wife for a Slingbox for xmas :/
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its just about usable although slow to use the menus for remote control functions but the streaming and PQ are excellent so its worth having!

I have it working.
I cannot however hand out the version I am using.
So, please wait. a version that does work perfectly with HD is on its way. I can also state SlingMobile version coming out soon works perfectly on Omnia and on the X1.
Sorry I can't hand this out, and please do not ask, as refusal may offend.

Ah... wonderful news indeed as this is one of my favorite apps.

awesome, figured out I can get the current version usable with Sky plus by using the favourites buttons to set the most common remote control functions but it would be good to have a version that works with WVGA properly!! Any idea on timelines for the newer version?

Any News?
Supporters Needed to help make this possible http://sling.uservoice.com/pages/18...s/169625-more-finger-friendly-on-wm?ref=title
There are a few more there to relating to WM and HD.

MOD EDIT
Moved to Themes, Applications and Software forum

How to Show off the HD

Can anyone reccommend any apps which dont necessarily serve a purpose but are just cool to have on the Touch HD? Things like the diamond hologram and the lightsaber? Thanks.
btw, im sure this has been posted many times before but in this thread we're looking for cool gadget-type apps as opposed to games or tools which are useful.:

Look for the hologram software prepared for the Diamond. It works on the HD but you cannot zoom in/out because of the lack of hardware keys.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=450571

Thanks, but I kinda already mentioned the Hologram...

Sorry kinda skimmed through your post.
What about I Am Rich? Cloned from the famous iPhone app?

Also transfer some really high definition shots which are particularly in focus and sharp (|theres a difference|) and show em to people. Make sure they're bright too. The little HD screen is reall HD (high definition) in contrast to whats out there right now. Sure the Experia has the same screen resolution (480x800) but the screen is too small to actually allow one to enjoy the high resolution.

i always liked the guitar and piano tuning programe its freeware and always cool esp if your friends acan actually play and instrument. do a search its in the list of working programs

I lot of what you need is covered here in a similar thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=469782&highlight=demo

Ive already got some nice pictures to show off the HD, but thanks for the idea.
The thread was kinda helpful but towards the end made me feel as if i had chosen the wrong device (touch HD over iPhone) as, at the end of the day, im the type of person who wants an entertainment device as opposed to one gears towards productivity. The Touch HDs GPU doesnt help things either...
Anyway, back on topic, any other apps? Thanks for your help so far

well u already mentioned apps like diamond saber , diamond beer .
u can try omniano , if u havent already
other windows mobile apps like g alarm or g watch made by members here look cool on the big screen .
or i contacts / sms chat
cant think of more apps but u can edit touch flo 3d use transparent clock or different themes etc. or maybe winterface ... it looks good on the hd

Any more Apps?

BeMario. Every time you jump it sounds.. bong bong

hipey said:
BeMario. Every time you jump it sounds.. bong bong
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That one was nice

I find the best way to show off the HD is to have a high resolution, high quality video, then play a bit of it to people. That gets wows! I've had mine since mid November and it still makes me go "wow" when I play videos encoded using the Encoder GUI from this forum!

That really does work better than it sounds. Thanks.
Any others?

Try MusicID - a guaranteed hit.
It used to be freely available, however there was some discussion whether it was freeware of shareware.

Music ID is awsome... I honestly dont know how I managed without it. Trying to recall half a lyric I thought I heard while I was drunk. I downloaded it a couple of weeks ago. It's still free as far as I know. Obviously it connects to the net to get the data, so if you're not on WiFi then you'll be charged by your network for data.
"quickmark" is good fun. (just mentioned it in another thread) It's a kind of barcode scanner, but only scans 2d barcodes. Still good fun, especially creating them for friends.

any others?

It's amusing to offer to save their internet connection, by setting up your WM phone as a Wifi router and allow them to use your connection.
Most amusing for iPod Touch users who don't have a data connection at all, but can use Wifi!

gpsdash2 - anyone tried?

Considering buying touch hd, but being able to use gpsdash2 is reasonably important for me. Does it work? If yes, does it work at full resolution? My present pda is a mio a701 and I use gpsdash2 with 1:25.000 maps for registrering botanical locations. Your feedback will be appreciated.
http://wimobi.com/gpsdash/overview.ppc2.php
mikdyb

Ok, so nobody seems to know gpsdash2. Is there anybody out there who would be so fantastically kind as to download and install the program and give me some feedback (I know it is a lot to ask)?
Gpsdash2 can be found here:
http://wimobi.com/gpsdash/overview.ppc2.php

I bought this software what seems years ago for my HTC smartphone (qtek 8310). At that time, it was way ahead of its time. Then, after one update, the developer went offline and never reappeared ever since.
At the moment, I am using Oziexplorer which does the job even better and is supported. Obviously, I now have a ppc (touch HD) and no longer a smartphone.
Conclusion: stay clear of Gpsdash2. It's dead.

Thank you for answering. You are right, of course, gpsdash2 has not been developed for some time. However, I would still like to know how it performs on touch hd, as it it is the program I am used to.
I had a look at Oziexplorer and that will be my alternative, if I cannot use gpsdash2. Does Oziexplorer utilies the full resolution of touch hd?

Doesnt boot on mine sry

mikdyb said:
Thank you for answering. You are right, of course, gpsdash2 has not been developed for some time. However, I would still like to know how it performs on touch hd, as it it is the program I am used to.
I had a look at Oziexplorer and that will be my alternative, if I cannot use gpsdash2. Does Oziexplorer utilies the full resolution of touch hd?
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I am not sure. It does occupy the full size of the display but the templates you call upon are not 800x480. I don't think it makes a difference as you don't need this sort of resolution with oziexplorer. The maps are actually processed by the software in multiple resolutions, which allows to have crystal clear displays as you zoom in and out. Seing is believing: test it and you'll forget about gpsdash2.
Hope that helps.

ive just tried this on dutty 3.3 XT rom and i get FRamework error? sayin to reinstall.
any ideas why this wont work?

Let's have a look at
HTML:
http://www.vitotechnology.com/en/products/smartnavigator.html
VITO SmartNavigator works on Blackstone without problems and looks better than gpsdash2.

Problem solved
Thank you all for your replies. Did not get any real feedback on the functionality of gpsdash2, but you gave me some alternatives. Went ahead and bought the touch hd anyway (what an instrument!!!), and after trying both gpsdash2, your suggestions and a couple of other gpsprograms, I came to the following conclusions:
1. Gpsdash2 works to a certain degree if you change screen resolution to vga before installing and before using. However, I am not able to access all menus, so that dosen´t really work for me.
2. Tried Oziexplorer and it is obviosly a wonderfull program. For my needs it is overkill (I don´t need all those functions) and it costs real money. I´ll will certainly keep it in mind should my needs change.
3. Had a look at Vito Smartnavigator, and it would probably have done the job. However, it worries me that the program dosen´t figure on Vito homepage and I had to download from some random site. So what about development and even more important, where to buy a license?
4. Tried some freeware programs and ended up with Terracrosser, http://terracrosser.com, and it does excatly what I need and no more. I have to use sattelite photos instead of 1:25.000 maps, but the program downloads and saves them automatically from google with precise geographical calibration, and I can get the equivalent of 1:6.000 maps if I need it. So a lot less work for me.
Again, thank you all for your contributions.
mikdyb

Terracrosser
I have been using terracrosser and it is wonderful. Best thing is, it is a freeware and I can download goolge maps or yahoo maps (both map and satellite images). It is really easy and I can download selected region. I have maps of places I visit frequently and I add new maps if I am visiting new places. It also works with gps and also gives speed.
The user interface is not so touch screen user friendly when it comes to scrolling the maps. But not a big problem as map scrolling is seldom needed when you have gps. Also the program is under development so lot of new features are being added.