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I let my phone discharge fully till it turned itself off!
Charged it for 4 or 5 hours.
Now I used it to make 3 short calls (5mins each) and send 10 or so texts, and surf for about 5 minutes, use google sjy mpas for 5minutes, showcase some video to some friends 2mins, general messing 10mins altogether.
Phone is up 40hours now (since charge) and still at 80%. I am very impressed.
I put it to airplane mode between 12am and 7am though as I don't like to be woken by drunk friends texts at 2am etc. (it happens sometimes).
I think those of us (me included) who slated the battery life originally didn't relaise we were using the phone non-stop pretty much for the entire day, trying out all the features on it. I doubt the first week of use will be "typical use" for ANY user
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My battery on day one seems fine, 12.5 hours running so far, screen at 100%, everything on automatic syncing (and I mean everything, Weather, Twitter, FB, Gmail etc), continuous WiFi connection throughout, plenty of "first day" playing around and still sitting at something like 20%. With a few more charges and more typical use will last a day just fine, which is all I ask, since I always charge my phones overnight...
When i got my phone i let it run out as it had half power, i overcharged it a few hours then let it die, then i do the same again but not overcharge it and let it die. Now i charge it when i need to but i seem to be getting 3 days worth with usage out of it and i use gps, web and have things on auto. Seems to be much better than when i first had it as the battery didnt even last a day but now its past 2 days.
I assume with newer firmwares etc this will improve
My battery life seems to get worse. I charged it fully ... it has been on for 6 hours and I have put 3g on for a while (1hour max and i barely have used it) and my battery is already 60% ... is that poor?? This is my second phone as well!!!
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I let my phone discharge fully till it turned itself off!
Charged it for 4 or 5 hours.
Now I used it to make 3 short calls (5mins each) and send 10 or so texts, and surf for about 5 minutes, use google sjy mpas for 5minutes, showcase some video to some friends 2mins, general messing 10mins altogether.
Phone is up 40hours now (since charge) and still at 80%. I am very impressed.
I put it to airplane mode between 12am and 7am though as I don't like to be woken by drunk friends texts at 2am etc. (it happens sometimes).
I think those of us (me included) who slated the battery life originally didn't relaise we were using the phone non-stop pretty much for the entire day, trying out all the features on it. I doubt the first week of use will be "typical use" for ANY user
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I thought a full charge only required 3 hours..?
Anyone having surprisingly short battery life go into the phone keypad and dial in *#*#4636#*#*, when you key in that last * you will be taken to a testing menu (I've added a contact with this number and when in the dialer I can long press on the number as select edit number before calling to take me to this screen)
In this menu there are options to see phone and battery information as well as usage statistics for apps. The best battery option is "battery history" this shows you what apps are using your battery for various things such as network and processor usage. You can see this data for since you last rebooted your phone, unplugged it or for the whole life of the phone.
The first important part is "other usage", "running" shows you the percentage of the time your phone has been awake and doing stuff, "screen on" is the percentage of time your screen has been on, the difference between these two is when your phone has the screen is turned off but the phone is still working such as when syncing. Ideally you want these two percentages to be as close together as possible but it depends on how much syncing you have going on automatically in the background. If your running percentage is at or near 100% then an app is keeping your phone awake and using battery.
Next we have "partial awake use", this is what as been running in the background when you have the screen turned off and any apps that process or sync in the background would be listed here, the longer the bar, the bigger the drain on your battery. On my phone now the biggest bar by far is android system but it is still only small.
With "sensor usage" this is what has been using your sensors, games that use the sensors will feature heavily here.
"Gps usage" is again pretty self explanatory, whatever has been using gps.
"Network usage" was a real eye opener for me, I found out that an app was downloading megs of data all day and dwarfed all the other bars and was the reason for my bad battery life. Here the blue part of the bar is download and the red part is upload.
And lastly "cpu usage" on mine these are all practically non-existent but if anything is using massive amounts of processing it will show up here.
I only found out about this the other day but it has helped my battery life substantially, I used to take it off charge in the morning and be down to around 60% by lunch time, now I'm at 98%. I did this by uninstalling any apps that used too much battery and that I didn't really use very much as well as the vampire apps that were running and syncing continuously in the background, I also reduced the frequency at which some of my services such as stocks, email and weather synced, and used it on a low brightness when possible.
This is my first android device and I can now happily use it without the fear of running out of battery before the days end
Wow, thanks andybut85, that was a very informative post!
If you download Spare Parts from the Market it gives you access to the same info - instead of 'dialing' to test mode.
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Next we have "partial awake use", this is what as been running in the background when you have the screen turned off and any apps that process or sync in the background would be listed here, the longer the bar, the bigger the drain on your battery. On my phone now the biggest bar by far is android system but it is still only small.
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My biggest is "Calendar" (54mins from Boot, compared to 1min for Andriod System!)
What Calendar could this be? Im syncing from Google Calendar, so will it be that? If so, wouldnt my email syncing show up as constantly on too?
Or could it be some other App that is making it run constantly?
Any help gratefully received.
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My biggest is "Calendar" (54mins from Boot, compared to 1min for Andriod System!)
What Calendar could this be? Im syncing from Google Calendar, so will it be that? If so, wouldnt my email syncing show up as constantly on too?
Or could it be some other App that is making it run constantly?
Any help gratefully received.
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Have a look for "Total in all time" with mine the calendar is roughly half that of android system, it could be that recently your calendar has had to sync for a long time, this could be a one off or if it's still high for the total time it could be a deeper problem. You could also try rebooting and seeing if it occurs again.
Have a look for "Total in all time" with mine the calendar is roughly half that of android system, it could be that recently your calendar has had to sync for a long time, this could be a one off or if it's still high for the total time it could be a deeper problem. You could also try rebooting and seeing if it occurs again.
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Calendar: 1day 7hrs
Android: 5hours
I'm thinking some app I've put on yesterday is not letting it sleep. will uninstall stuff one by one and see how it goes.
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I'm still having problems with battery drain.
My Desire will not last a day
Installed Juiceplotter to find out when and why my battery drops so fast.
See attached image.
The battery drains very fast when i USE the phone, so when the screen is on. (20% in one hour)
I have two push email account activated, one with the HTC Exchange, and one with TouchDown.
But that doesn't explain the drops when phone is active.
Anyone else having this kind of batterydrain ?
I have positive "story" about battery too. Im on second charging. Saturday at 1:00 Im unplug it from charger and now 34h later Im on 7/10 battery.
Im make few calls(cca. 10 calls long 1-3min), few times(cca. 3-5x) check emails accounts(4 pop3 email accountes), quick test sygic navigation, little search on market(install calendar widget and some other app), and play few levels of Teeter...
3G is turned ON
GPS, WIFI is turned OFF
Also automatic sync is for most things disabled or setup to sync 1x per day...
Hmm Can't say I'm impressed by my battery life... it dropped 20% overnight..
I''ll keep an eye out on what's running and see if i can fine tune, but turning things off seems to be a bit pointless as it is made for use not just sit on a desk being pretty.
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Kef
i got great battery life at home over the weekend connected to my wi-fi network.. i have a feeling its the crappy edge reception in my office thats eating into battery life during the week..
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i got great battery life at home over the weekend connected to my wi-fi network.. i have a feeling its the crappy edge reception in my office thats eating into battery life during the week..
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yep, that sounds highly plausible. Bad or weak connections to the network (especially mobile internet connections) will really drain a battery as the phone needs to use more power to maintain adequate connection strength.
you can check your signal strength in the "settings / network strength" section. I notice in good 3G areas my connection is -95dBm or higher. At work (which is in some sort of black spot in Dublin) I only get EDGE connection and my signal strength is about -80 to -85dBm. I bet this makes a big difference to battery life, especially if I try browsing or data connection.
my signal strength at work is -91 dbm...
i'm guessing bigger numbers are worse?
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yep, that sounds highly plausible. Bad or weak connections to the network (especially mobile internet connections) will really drain a battery as the phone needs to use more power to maintain adequate connection strength.
you can check your signal strength in the "settings / network strength" section. I notice in good 3G areas my connection is -95dBm or higher. At work (which is in some sort of black spot in Dublin) I only get EDGE connection and my signal strength is about -80 to -85dBm. I bet this makes a big difference to battery life, especially if I try browsing or data connection.
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spare parts showed me that "media" was using the network a lot, bowever i cant work out what this corresponds to, it says DRM protected content storage, download manager and media storage. shows as having downloaded several megs
i use spotify for music, anyone any ides what these could be?
thanks
only guess but i'd say its spotify.. i have used servcies like that in the past on my pc.. and they sometimes have a lot of downloading going on that you dont even ask for!... worth checking out..
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spare parts showed me that "media" was using the network a lot, bowever i cant work out what this corresponds to, it says DRM protected content storage, download manager and media storage. shows as having downloaded several megs
i use spotify for music, anyone any ides what these could be?
thanks
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only guess but i'd say its spotify.. i have used servcies like that in the past on my pc.. and they sometimes have a lot of downloading going on that you dont even ask for!... worth checking out..
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yes it could be, but spotify also comes up as a separate user of resources and i tested it since unplugging when spotify wasnt running and "media" still comes up as the biggest user.
makes me think that its not spotify
Hi,
I am having severe problems with battery life where Uptime is equal to Awake or at least very very close to it. I kill Calendar (calendar.bg process) each time after starting the phone, and still I suffer from problems. Today my battery died from 100 to 25 in 7 hours, and I removed both Flickr and killed Google Calendar Sync process again. I've noticed that too many times Google Calendar sync icon in the Google Content Provider window is turning around while there aren't any changes of Google Calendars I've made.
Is it possible and a good solution overall to turn off syncing Calendar via Google content provider and instead configure a Exchange with Google Sync?
I am not sure about calender killing but I just use juicydefender and thgat has massively improved my battery life to over double the time..... might be worth trying that....
I use JuiceDefender as well (UltimateJuice edition) but despite that my phone has died today, so far it is around 9% and I have absolutely no idea why it's dying so fast.
I think I must have some application that prohibits my phone from going into sleep mode. I turned off Flickr completely (I use PicPush to push photos online), I just removed Fring and eBuddy from my phone (I think the culpit may be eBuddy but not really sure). I use Executive Assistant although without Twitter/Facebook pulls.
My Twitter pull is 2 hours. My Facebook pull is 4 hours. I use both internal Sense Peeps and external Twitter for Android content providers because I like to have Peep tweets into my Contact List, althought I am looking for feedback if this is eating too much battery.
Anyway the major sync problem is the Calendar. IT'S TAKING AGES AND ALMOST EVERY TIME I GO TO SYNC WHEN PHONE IS SYNCING, IT'S CALENDAR THAT ROLLS ITS PROGRESS ICON TO NO END. I have no idea why HTC is doing this travesty with its phones, and absolutely no idea how to make Calendar behave on my phone.
Anyway, I ordered MUGEN 3200 MAh battery as a long-term solution. 7mm on the phone's width won't be the best thing to have but it is something I'll get used to if I want to have a phone that lives through a day even if used.
WHAT THE HELL!?
I have turned off Google Calendar sync, and configured Google Sync as Exchange for Calendar events only. Despite the fact, I've noticed the turning circle of sync progress in front of Google Calendar sync (in Google Account) even if it is unchecked. I am totally lost now, what can I do to resolve this?
My next Android may not be HTC.
Hmm - I had exactly the same problem, 'Calendar' using up most of the partial wake. However I'm not convinced it is really the Google Calendar itself causing the problem. I've still got the Agenda widget installed but switched off syncing for the 'Stock' app (as I never use it anyway) and also deleted my Flickr account from the phone - even after a few reboots that still seems to have done the trick and the Calendar partial wake is now miniscule and battery life has shot up.
Do you want to try removing your Flickr account completely and see if that helps?
I've already raised a ticket with HTC about this (and a few other issues). They weren't that helpful when I first emailed them, they've been much better since I phoned them and asked for it to be escalated to a level 2 agent. I'm now getting pretty much daily updates from their agent. They asked me to remove the Agenda widget to see if it helped but now I don't have the problem it's difficult to try these things out - I'm sure they'd be happy to work with you. After you've logged the issue then feel free to PM your email +/- ticket number and I can update my ticket to ask them to run through the troubleshooting with you too.
I have the same issue with my Desire, I don't know how the battery life can be this bad to be honest , but from what I have heard from the latest update the battery life has been really bad for a lot of people, but some others have been lucky.
I have emailed HTC, so lets see what they have to say. Looks like we may have to wait for the next software update so they can resolve this issue.
Other than that I love my Desire and am extremely happy with it
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I've still got the Agenda widget installed but switched off syncing for the 'Stock' app (as I never use it anyway) and also deleted my Flickr account from the phone
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Meanwhile I did this:
I did a factory reset of the phone today, and reinstalled some of the apps I really use and none of those I just kept for rare occasions. I cut down apps that have processes as well.
I turned off Internet Time as I saw online it improved battery time. I don't sync Stocks. I do sync Weather however.
I did not add Flickr account.
I use Pure Calendar that uses the standard Calendar content provider. So I cannot turn off the content provider yet. I know Agenda but its not as good as Pure Calendar. But I did add Calendar content via Exchange. I noticed Exchange sync to be much much faster than the old dragging for a minute or two Google content provider calendar sync.
My battery dies to 95 over couple minutes. I guess calibration is screwed through factory reset as well, I should have never updated with the OTA but got tempted by the Memory Management optimization.
Same here, I dony sync google calander and no flickr. My facebook and twitter are set up for 2 hours and Im using juice defender ultimate. I noticed every time I unlock my fone after the screen gone off it starts to sync even though I have set up everything including mail for 2 hours. Calendar process is used by facebook sync and twitter sync so only way to disable it is to stop your syncs but I dont wanna loose my facebook picture sync so cant do that. Hope HTC improve this in the froyo update.
I used autostarts to disable some apps from starting and its been on for 50 mins so far after full charge and im down to 97% which aint too bad but I think juice defenders night mode helps that. Before autostarts I lost 1% every 5 mins. So try that guys.
It's me again, back to report my unsuccessful phone experience today
Well, apparently factory reset and trimming down the number of apps I use did nothing to prolong my phone's life. 10:00 to 18:00, it was down to 28% and losing 1% every 10 minutes, worse when screen is on. Basically, what I figured out is that it's not some rogue app installed on my device that has been triggering this bad lifespan. I also purchased SeePU++ and was really dishearted to see 60-70% CPU when the Calendar Sync process works, and it works almost constantly no matter I've set 2-4 hours frequency to Facebook and Twitter, and I'm using Exchange for Calendars where it has two frequencies set to 2 and 4 hours peak/offpeak times.
Listening to Music isn't good as well. Using DoubleTwist android app, phone remains warm while listening. Not good. Is the phone completely awake while listening to music even if the screen is off?
I've made the following changes for tomorrow, and I'll report again:
* I turned off Wireless Network Location. Not sure whether I'd live well without it, apparently my Latitude will suffer greatly and Tasker won't be able to use its Location triggers (GPS Fix triggers kill the battery in less than 2 hours), so will other apps that use rough estimation, especially if indoors.
* I revised my UnlimitedJuice. My current profile is:
** Timeout: N/A
** Schedule: Keep APN/WIFI disabled (I removed timed schedules as I suspect it kept my device from prolonged sleep)
** Night: Keep APN/WiFi disabled 0-7am (Use it just for the silent mode, otherwise it's probably charging)
** Traffic: N/A (I used to use Traffic to keep connections alive, but decided not to due to prolonged Calendar sync)
** Peak: N/A (obviously!)
** Charger: Leave APN/WiFi enabled while charging (obviously!)
** Screen: Leave APN/WiFi enabled while screen unlocked (obviously, again!)
If anyone is familiar with UltimateJuice, please let me know whether this sounds okay?
I think a culpit was the Schedule setting, as it must have kept my device constantly out of sleep to check my email. Not that I don't want that but until I stick a Mugen 3200 MAh battery in this device, I am wary against it not sleeping well. I also turned off Traffic as Calendar Sync has the stupid tendency to restart itself despite it is not expected to based on user-set frequency. No idea how to control this, no bugfix even estimated.
I think HTC doesn't really care about the life of their phones once they sold them to us. I am also very unpleased to find out how useless those fast 1 Ghz processors are when paired with old battery tech. I am looking at HTC Wildfire and it's 30-50% better battery life with somewhat of an envy. The only company that seems to bother to do something with batteries today is Apple. I won't draw conclusions especially under affect.
I have a question to all ROM-familiar users who have gone 2.2, does JIT improve battery life (through making code run faster, maybe using less CPU resources)?
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It's me again, back to report my unsuccessful phone experience today
Well, apparently factory reset and trimming down the number of apps I use did nothing to prolong my phone's life. 10:00 to 18:00, it was down to 28% and losing 1% every 10 minutes, worse when screen is on. Basically, what I figured out is that it's not some rogue app installed on my device that has been triggering this bad lifespan. I also purchased SeePU++ and was really dishearted to see 60-70% CPU when the Calendar Sync process works, and it works almost constantly no matter I've set 2-4 hours frequency to Facebook and Twitter, and I'm using Exchange for Calendars where it has two frequencies set to 2 and 4 hours peak/offpeak times.
Listening to Music isn't good as well. Using DoubleTwist android app, phone remains warm while listening. Not good. Is the phone completely awake while listening to music even if the screen is off?
I've made the following changes for tomorrow, and I'll report again:
* I turned off Wireless Network Location. Not sure whether I'd live well without it, apparently my Latitude will suffer greatly and Tasker won't be able to use its Location triggers (GPS Fix triggers kill the battery in less than 2 hours), so will other apps that use rough estimation, especially if indoors.
* I revised my UnlimitedJuice. My current profile is:
** Timeout: N/A
** Schedule: Keep APN/WIFI disabled (I removed timed schedules as I suspect it kept my device from prolonged sleep)
** Night: Keep APN/WiFi disabled 0-7am (Use it just for the silent mode, otherwise it's probably charging)
** Traffic: N/A (I used to use Traffic to keep connections alive, but decided not to due to prolonged Calendar sync)
** Peak: N/A (obviously!)
** Charger: Leave APN/WiFi enabled while charging (obviously!)
** Screen: Leave APN/WiFi enabled while screen unlocked (obviously, again!)
If anyone is familiar with UltimateJuice, please let me know whether this sounds okay?
I think a culpit was the Schedule setting, as it must have kept my device constantly out of sleep to check my email. Not that I don't want that but until I stick a Mugen 3200 MAh battery in this device, I am wary against it not sleeping well. I also turned off Traffic as Calendar Sync has the stupid tendency to restart itself despite it is not expected to based on user-set frequency. No idea how to control this, no bugfix even estimated.
I think HTC doesn't really care about the life of their phones once they sold them to us. I am also very unpleased to find out how useless those fast 1 Ghz processors are when paired with old battery tech. I am looking at HTC Wildfire and it's 30-50% better battery life with somewhat of an envy. The only company that seems to bother to do something with batteries today is Apple. I won't draw conclusions especially under affect.
I have a question to all ROM-familiar users who have gone 2.2, does JIT improve battery life (through making code run faster, maybe using less CPU resources)?
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2.2 ROMs on my Desire make my battery last even less. I lost 1% every 5 mins on any 2.2 ROM.
I get the syncing going on every time I switch screen on. no matter what I have set in the settings. I got 20% overnight between midnite and 9am while Juice Defender was on night mode.
This is very discouraging, Nekromantik. Seems like I shouldn't be as excited about the upcoming August 2.2 update, now. I don't trust HTC to resolve this problem given how every single new device is plagued (Desire/Incredible/EVO) and they do nothing about it.
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This is very discouraging, Nekromantik. Seems like I shouldn't be as excited about the upcoming August 2.2 update, now. I don't trust HTC to resolve this problem given how every single new device is plagued (Desire/Incredible/EVO) and they do nothing about it.
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yeah this has made me loose faith in HTC.
Battery life should be a big factor in smartphones. I should at least expect it to last 24 hours without a charge. Which is good enough for smartphones.
Just gotta add that even though my battery life is not that good, it does show that the phone does sleep as atm in the about menu it shows that the phone been on for 3 hours and been awake for 1 hour 30 mins. Which means it is sleeping but why am I still getting bad battery life all of a sudden after reflashing from Froyo ROM? I did a full wipe including a sd card wipe before I flashed Pays ROM back on. Makes no sense to me.
I'm having a very similar problem with battery life. Android System prevents my phone from going to complete sleep but strange enough - only during night when my phone is in airplane mode.
So I decided to switch off Automatic Network Time. This helped for one night and yesterday the problem reappeared again :-(
So last night I turned off location as well services and again it seems OK for now.
During the day my battery life is OK. I guess I could keep the phone turned on during night as well (as a bypass) but this is not how a smartphone of 21st century should work.
This is a mid-day report but I think I might have finally figured it out. And it's the most ironic solution ever!
I pulled the phone off the charger in 10:00, by 11:00 I was already at 88-86% and rapidly decreasing with only minor phone call activity. Then I turned off JuiceDefender/UltimateJuice and kept using the phone for contact list adding, single profile photo shot with camera, many long calls. Now it is 14:35 and my battery is at 69% - incredibly resistant compared to what I've had by that hour with less phone activity. Also, my phone seems to sleep much longer and more often than before when I used UltimateJuice.
It appears to me now that the reason the phone has been dying on me is JuiceDefender/UltimateJuice. Apparently the latest versions destroy the battery rather than save it!! I told you it's an ironic...
I will be reporting by 19:00 with the phone's actual lifespan over the course of the day but looks like I'll have a winner today.
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This is a mid-day report but I think I might have finally figured it out. And it's the most ironic solution ever!
I pulled the phone off the charger in 10:00, by 11:00 I was already at 88-86% and rapidly decreasing with only minor phone call activity. Then I turned off JuiceDefender/UltimateJuice and kept using the phone for contact list adding, single profile photo shot with camera, many long calls. Now it is 14:35 and my battery is at 69% - incredibly resistant compared to what I've had by that hour with less phone activity. Also, my phone seems to sleep much longer and more often than before when I used UltimateJuice.
It appears to me now that the reason the phone has been dying on me is JuiceDefender/UltimateJuice. Apparently the latest versions destroy the battery rather than save it!! I told you it's an ironic...
I will be reporting by 19:00 with the phone's actual lifespan over the course of the day but looks like I'll have a winner today.
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interesting.
I swear juice defender helped me during the night but I could always switch apn off during sleep. I lost 12% overnight but once I was awake I lost 6% in 45 mins while it was on standby.
It is 21:10 as I type and my battery shows 24% after moderate use day. My phone sleeps more (2 hours use for 11 hours day cycle) and it loses around 1-2% per hour when asleep.
The culpit is definitely UltimateJuice and I am at complete loss how an app meant to save battery can destroy battery.
Also, I noticed that waking my phone when UltimateJuice is not running does not trigger an annoying Calendar Sync (Sync All icon remains non-animated).
I decided to switch off mobile internet and only switch it back on when I wanted to surf/lurk on here/check mail etc. Uninstalled juicedefender but kept plotter. The amount of difference doing those things has been exponential. Before, my battery was dead in about 8 hours use. now it will last 17+. Even use it for music which I wouldn't risk when internet was always on.
For me it is the Location services and Network time that need to be switched off.
As I said I only get battery problems during night in airplane mode so I tested several settings and it seems that both Network time and Location services need to be switched off so they stop trying to update themselves.
Although I would imagine that once you switch your GSM module off that should be enough to also stop Network time and Location... Apparently my assumptions are dead wrong
I think its time to start a worldwide petition to HTC if they please could fix the problems with the battery. I cannot use my phone to call when I am not near a power source. After 15 hours the battery is down to 20% ..its so frustrating.
HTC know there are problems (perhaps the read some forums) and dont do anything about it. Thats not customer friendly.
I think Apple is more serious on that point and investigates every single way to save battery life.
Whats the use of a phone (mine is pretty basic with no specials programs on it) that could not last 1 day?
I think buyers must give a signal to HTC to take these sort of problems serious.
I started using JuicePlotter yesterday, and noticed that at night my battery barely drains, if at all (hooray for setcpu!). Until exactly 5am when it starts draining heavily at a steady rate. I've done all of the obvious stuff (I think), like making sure I have nothing set to begin syncing at that time, but I can't seem to pin it down.
Does anyone know of a way to find out what's turning on at 5am and draining the battery?
Do you have an Exchange sync setup?
If you do you may want to check and see if your Peak times start at 5AM. If so you may want to set it to update less frequently.
Does JuiceDefender run on a schedule and keep 3G off until 5am?
Thanks for the suggestions guys
I have exchange set up, but its set to "as items arrive" for both peak and non-peak hours (which is set to 8am anyway - yeah, being on call 24/7 sucks).
I'm also not using any kind of timing app like juice defender to schedule anything.
One wierd thing I noticed that may be tied to this, is that certain apps like twitdroyd and fb update immediately when I open the apps, even though they're set to refresh manually, and not to update when I open the apps. Still trying to figure that one out.
Night mode is enabled from 2 am to 5 am. Depending on your settings, Data/3G/Wifi are disabled between those times.
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Night mode is enabled from 2 am to 5 am. Depending on your settings, Data/3G/Wifi are disabled between those times.
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This sounds promising - can you tell me how to check any night mode settings? (searching turns up nada)
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This sounds promising - can you tell me how to check any night mode settings? (searching turns up nada)
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He is referring to JuiceDefender, I bet. I would guess a lot of people who use JuicePlotter also use JuiceDefender. It does exactly as he described: turns data off from 2am to 5am. I use it, and it does help. It also keeps data off when the screen is off during the rest of the day, except for a quick check every so often.
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He is referring to JuiceDefender, I bet. I would guess a lot of people who use JuicePlotter also use JuiceDefender. It does exactly as he described: turns data off from 2am to 5am. I use it, and it does help. It also keeps data off when the screen is off during the rest of the day, except for a quick check every so often.
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rats - I was hoping he was referring to something in regular settings. I'm not using JuiceDefender, or anything similar.
well if you do have it setup for everything to be off between 2 - 5 then wouldn't that make sense that as soon as 5 hit your apps will start syncing even Google apps as they have been trying to sync that whole time and just started queuing up and finally your radios turned back on. I have not used juice yet so i do not know much about it just throwing in some pennies.
One other thing the refresh manually is only for when the app is closed as soon as that app opens its going to sync with its servers. When you set it to manual then that means when you open the app you manually refreshed it and the phone did not do that while idle or you were busy on some other app. Its like twitter for desktops if you set your refresh manually then while the app is open it will not refresh until you hit refresh
fachadick said:
rats - I was hoping he was referring to something in regular settings. I'm not using JuiceDefender, or anything similar.
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One thought: Do you have a good signal in the spot where your phone sits at 5am? A bad signal is the best way to drain a battery fast. A friend's house has an awful Sprint signal, and my battery will drain in four or five hours there, even with no use, whereas I get well over 24 hours with average use in good signal strength areas.
Back when I first got my phone, I used System Panel to figure out what was causing the battery drain. I liked using it so much, I even ended up purchasing it. The history part is what you want, and it will work without paying for a bit, so you can find the problem.
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well if you do have it setup for everything to be off between 2 - 5 then wouldn't that make sense that as soon as 5 hit your apps will start syncing even Google apps as they have been trying to sync that whole time and just started queuing up and finally your radios turned back on. I have not used juice yet so i do not know much about it just throwing in some pennies.
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that would make sense if I was running something like that, but I'm not - as a part of my job, I need to be able to reply immediately to specific emails. At any hour. Total PITA, but hell, it's better than not having a job, right? JuicePlotter's pretty neat though - it just sits in the background monitoring your battery levels and graphs them. For example, it was showing an almost horizontal line from when I stopped using the phone the night before until exactly 5am when it started a gradual decline.
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One other thing the refresh manually is only for when the app is closed as soon as that app opens its going to sync with its servers. When you set it to manual then that means when you open the app you manually refreshed it and the phone did not do that while idle or you were busy on some other app. Its like twitter for desktops if you set your refresh manually then while the app is open it will not refresh until you hit refresh
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Are you sure about this? I mean it makes sense, but I would be willing to swear that back when I was running stock I would open FB or Twitdroyd and it would wait for me to hit refresh before syncing with their servers. Twitdroyd, for example, I would set to keep 80 tweets, and I would check it only occasionally, so I could read those 80 tweets whenever I wanted. Now when I check it, because it syncs immediately, I lose anything older than the most recent 80 tweets. As a workaround, I've increased the number of tweets to keep, but it's still annoying.
ok so hmm what rom are you using. not wanting to bash the dev but could it be that rom?
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One thought: Do you have a good signal in the spot where your phone sits at 5am? A bad signal is the best way to drain a battery fast. A friend's house has an awful Sprint signal, and my battery will drain in four or five hours there, even with no use, whereas I get well over 24 hours with average use in good signal strength areas.
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My signal's not great, but the phone didn't move between 4am and 5am, and the battery only started draining at 5am.
hankbear said:
Back when I first got my phone, I used System Panel to figure out what was causing the battery drain. I liked using it so much, I even ended up purchasing it. The history part is what you want, and it will work without paying for a bit, so you can find the problem.
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I actually purchased SystemPanel this morning with the hope that it would help me get to the bottom of this (I had been using the free version for a while, and now I had an excuse to buy it). It shows me history of battery, device usage, and cpu activity, but even if I see that the cpu or the device is being used, I'm still not sure how that's going to help me pinpoint what's going on. First I need to build up some history anyway though.
Hello,
Title says it all...
I would notice overnight that my battery would be completely horizontal (no drop) and thought it was the combination of SETCPU and JuiceDefender (night profile + screen off drop mhz).
But, after unisntalling them, I noticed the same "flat line" at night and also achieved over 30 hours of battery life.
My question is... do these apps really make a difference on our phones?
Or, are the phones advanced enough to handle everything just fine?
your thoughts are appreciated.
I agree... I got about 27 hours of life out of my battery without set cpu or JD (i've never liked JD anyway because its like putting my kid on riddlin)
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My question is... do these apps really make a difference on our phones?
Or, are the phones advanced enough to handle everything just fine?
your thoughts are appreciated.
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Which version of JD are you using? If you have the Plus or Ultimate version, you can probably still gain some benefit, but you need to learn how to custom configure the settings so that you use the ones that are still relevant. For example:
Where Not Helpful: JD will turn off your GPS if an application isn't using it, but most of today's phones will do that anyway.
Where Helpful:: In advanced settings, you can provide a 'night schedule', wherein during this time, JD will disable mobile data, and thus polling, so your phone will not go out and check for mail, FB messages, Tweets, etc. Otherwise, mobile data is off unless you 'wake' the screen for some reason. Or another feature that 'trains' your wi-fi to only activate when you are at home or a 'recognized' wi-fi spot. These are a couple examples, there are others.
Where it MAY be Helpful: JD can disable mobile data for a custom # of minutes (10/15/30/60) and prevent background sync during those periods. It will awake, allow the sync, then turn mobile data off. Now some apps may only sync in these intervals anyway, but unless they're all syncing at the same time, you could have lots of 'up' time. Some of this may not 'wake' your phone from Deep Sleep, but depending on how sloppy the code is, it might.
Hope this helps.
h20wakebum said:
Hello,
Title says it all...
I would notice overnight that my battery would be completely horizontal (no drop) and thought it was the combination of SETCPU and JuiceDefender (night profile + screen off drop mhz).
But, after unisntalling them, I noticed the same "flat line" at night and also achieved over 30 hours of battery life.
My question is... do these apps really make a difference on our phones?
Or, are the phones advanced enough to handle everything just fine?
your thoughts are appreciated.
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I think really depends on the ROM you are running. ViperROM has a script that changes the CPU speed and governer on the fly. So no need for SetCPU there. I'd say Juice Defender can still come in handy with turning data off when you aren't using it.
My 2 cents. Your results may vary.
Capp5050 said:
Which version of JD are you using? If you have the Plus or Ultimate version, you can probably still gain some benefit, but you need to learn how to custom configure the settings so that you use the ones that are still relevant. For example:
Where Not Helpful: JD will turn off your GPS if an application isn't using it, but most of today's phones will do that anyway.
Where Helpful:: In advanced settings, you can provide a 'night schedule', wherein during this time, JD will disable mobile data, and thus polling, so your phone will not go out and check for mail, FB messages, Tweets, etc. Otherwise, mobile data is off unless you 'wake' the screen for some reason. Or another feature that 'trains' your wi-fi to only activate when you are at home or a 'recognized' wi-fi spot. These are a couple examples, there are others.
Where it MAY be Helpful: JD can disable mobile data for a custom # of minutes (10/15/30/60) and prevent background sync during those periods. It will awake, allow the sync, then turn mobile data off. Now some apps may only sync in these intervals anyway, but unless they're all syncing at the same time, you could have lots of 'up' time. Some of this may not 'wake' your phone from Deep Sleep, but depending on how sloppy the code is, it might.
Hope this helps.
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I use ultimate. I did run a night schedule, but that kind of points back to my original observation... I'd have night setup from 11pm - 7am and see a horizontal line for battery during this time (wow JD is really working)... BUT, with it uninstalled, during the same period of time 11pm - 7am my battery was also horizontal line... So did it really do anything? I'm on wifi at my house so when I'm sleeping the phone is wifi and not constantly pinging the mobile network (does that make a diff. being on wifi)?
I also did like the wifi only when home setting.
With ViperRom, I probably don't need set CPU anymore... Maybe i'll throw JD back on.
One question.. were you running the beta JD? I noticed the beta would always throw errors in the log stating i needed to uninstall, reboot, reinstall (I never did) anyone else have that happen?
These numbers sound like you have the radio off and don't turn your display on. Pretty amazing numbers otherwise. Would love to know the rom + kernal you're using
edit: I see the post above you mention viperrom. Typically if you have data turned off and display off any device will last days. My OG evo lasts for around 48 hours just sitting there. Still really impressive if you're using your phone within that 30 hours
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One question.. were you running the beta JD? I noticed the beta would always throw errors in the log stating i needed to uninstall, reboot, reinstall (I never did) anyone else have that happen?
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I've never tried the beta; I started with standard, upgraded to Premium, then eventually upgraded to Ultimate (I use the 'Customize' setting, but rarely the 'Advanced' config).
I hear ya on the night-time wi-fi thing. But with this particular phone (and before I rooted and changed ROM/Kernel), on some nights I would be connected to wi-fi and get ZERO CPU sleep time, other nights it would sleep - I have no idea why. It is conceivable that if the only polling your doing is e.g., Gmail, that either it doesn't happen at night, or it happens in such a way as to not knock the phone out of sleep (it IS Google's OS after all).
On a related note, I'm using K-9 mail (my primary mail is Yahoo); it throws wake-locks all the time (set to poll every 15 minutes), but they don't seem to impact battery life or take the device out of deep sleep which is why I suggested that case above.
One other item I like about JD is the ability to permission each and every app for wireless/network access; obviously mail, calendar, phone, etc. need it, but some apps simply don't, and I've been surprised when I set it to 'notify' and some random game pops up seeking network access. Looking for an update? who knows, but I lock 'em down anyway.
AC
pandamaja said:
These numbers sound like you have the radio off and don't turn your display on. Pretty amazing numbers otherwise. Would love to know the rom + kernal you're using
edit: I see the post above you mention viperrom. Typically if you have data turned off and display off any device will last days. My OG evo lasts for around 48 hours just sitting there. Still really impressive if you're using your phone within that 30 hours
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I do not turn off data/radio (no airplane mode).
I'm running ViperRom 2.2 with the latest loskernal experimental.
My display was on for roughly 2 hours (again, just used it as i happened to during the course of the day) and data was on.
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I've never tried the beta; I started with standard, upgraded to Premium, then eventually upgraded to Ultimate (I use the 'Customize' setting, but rarely the 'Advanced' config).
I hear ya on the night-time wi-fi thing. But with this particular phone (and before I rooted and changed ROM/Kernel), on some nights I would be connected to wi-fi and get ZERO CPU sleep time, other nights it would sleep - I have no idea why. It is conceivable that if the only polling your doing is e.g., Gmail, that either it doesn't happen at night, or it happens in such a way as to not knock the phone out of sleep (it IS Google's OS after all).
On a related note, I'm using K-9 mail (my primary mail is Yahoo); it throws wake-locks all the time (set to poll every 15 minutes), but they don't seem to impact battery life or take the device out of deep sleep which is why I suggested that case above.
One other item I like about JD is the ability to permission each and every app for wireless/network access; obviously mail, calendar, phone, etc. need it, but some apps simply don't, and I've been surprised when I set it to 'notify' and some random game pops up seeking network access. Looking for an update? who knows, but I lock 'em down anyway.
AC
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Interesting thing is with the latest JD build it has the bluetooth settings, so i can leave my headset paired, but the phone disconnects while not on a call and then when i get a call, it turns on... kinda cool.
In regards to the permissions... do i need to give the email applications permission for enable/screen off? (so that I'll still get the notifs?) or just enable (as in when screen on).
thanks,
RR
just got juice defender ultimate, as it seems to do a good job of making my battery last longer....but there are so many settings, i'm getting confused.
I basicaly just want the best settings that will disable all internet to save battery, except for once every hour when my i want the phone to run the "autosync" process to sync my facebook, twitter, emails etc. i alsao want it to obviously allow me to connect to the internet if i manually start an app which needs it (internet browser, facebook app, peep, etc).
at first, the app seemed to be doing this, but now i'm finding that although it's doing a great job of saving battery, it's not syncing, and my internet connection doesn't come on when i open an app. (or occasionally, it will come on, then not turn off again until i manually tell it to.....which defeats the whole point of having jhuice defender...i got it so that the phone would automate this process).
any help greatly appreciated...
totally given up on these battery saving apps now. they all seem to do the same thing...
they work exactly as they should for a couple of hours (i.e. they cut out internet except when syncing or when needed for an app etc)...then they suddenly jsut stop working, cause my internet connection to be lost completely, and i can't get it back until I reboot my phone (losing temp root i might add, so having to go through that whole process again too).
i think i'm going to just suck it up and charge the thing every day...i bought an "extended battery" which is supposedly 2430mah (around twice the stock battery), but it doesn't seem to give twice as much performance....it just seems to slow down the battery drain slightly for the first half of the cycle....
i.e. it lasts for around 2 hours without going below 90%, then within the next 2 hours it will drop to 70%, within the next 2 hours to 50%, the next to around 20%, then finally dying within the next 2.....
this is with syncing on, occcasional text or email checking etc.
so i'm getting around 10 hours use instead of around 7 or 8. it's better, but it's far from being twice the capacity.
but anyways, yeh, battery saving apps jsut seem to kill my internet requiring reboot, so i'm gonna just manually cut internet at various stages through the day from now on, and keep charging every night? sound like a plan?
Green Power Premium.
Simple and works as advertised...Juice Defender has got a lot of settings for sure...
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Green Power Premium.
Simple and works as advertised...Juice Defender has got a lot of settings for sure...
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ok, i'll give the free version a try...but i'm not holding out much hope, i've tried so many of these battery saver apps now, they al result in my internet connection being totally screwed up until i reboot the phone.
The default settings are pretty good. I don't think I changed much in the way of settings. Your phone will save a lot of power throughout the night with this.
thanks! finally, a battery saver that actually works!
been trialing this today and so far so good.
7 and a half hour shift at work today, it's been syncing every hour (which i know has been working, cos on my break i had tweets and emails waiting, and again when me shift ended)...sent a few texts in the morning, on lunch and after work too. so far it's down to around 83% battery....
The important thing is that it hasn't destroyed my internet connection (touch wood). It switches it off until i unlock the screen, except when it periodically turns on to allow the syncing. It also knows when I am at home and will use my wifi instead of mobile internet.
I'm going to keep trialing it for a few days to make sure it definately doesn't crash my internet after a while like the other programs seem to. So far so good though. If it keeps working, i'll buy premium for the night mode feature. Save even more battery that way.
thanks again, very happy
No problem. Glad it worked out for you.
Green Power is no longer working at night mode....switching WiFi and mobile networks works still, but it doesn't seem able to switch to airplane mode. This is only since I rooted, but I'm on stock Rom and this appears to be the only problem now.
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apparently, someone else on their forums have the same issue, and it's a known bug, something to do with green power being "paused" then "resumed". weird how it's never done it before though :s
have uninstalled it and reinstalled, so hopefully that will sort it out :S
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worked perfectly last night, so it must have been a one off glitch :s