FoYo OTA update - what's going to happen? - Desire General

I've spent a long time with smartphones but I've never had an OTA ROM update before and thought it might be useful if those in the know could give us an idea of what to expect.
I assume that as with wired ROM updates of yore I should expect to be in a hard reset situation post update - all content, data, apps etc will need reinstalling - is this correct?
If so will I have to set the phone up from scratch again (with my gmail account details etc) reinstall all my apps one by one from the Market, resync all my data and painstakingly set up all my home screens / scenes by hand etc?
Or is it not as bad as all that / is there a smarter way to prepare for this?

Well I'm not personally sure on how Android updates work (I personally think it probably does 'hard reset'), but I know that if you have HTCs backup feature running, it saves all your important stuff - Scenes, wifi info, bookmarks, text messages, gmail info etc.
Hope that helps.

Well if that works it helps but would rather have a belt and braces ready in case it doesn't..
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Well if that works it helps but would rather have a belt and braces ready in case it doesn't..
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Fair enough lol. Well I think you can sync to the PC for your Outlook stuff, but there are also apps in the Market that do what you are looking for, but I have no idea what they're called, or which one to choose, sorry.

All, a few weeks ago an update come down that killed the Wifi on unbranded T-Mobile and Orange UK phones. The T-Mobile fix was simple enough but the Orange phones got SIM locked and needed unlocking, sometimes at a cost.
What steps should we take when this update comes? Is there a way to get my unbranded T-Mobile Desire back to it's T-Mobile ROM?

I would take the advise given by the iphone dev-team, which is to old off on the official update until the devs have looked and ensured it won't cause problems. If there is an official OTA, it will be a matter of hours before the dev get their hands on it and release a custom version, that will not cause issues with return your phone to branded/network locked. Pacience is a virtue
If you want to return to stock and don't mind being locked, there is a guide in the dev forum for returning your phone to stock.
with regards to backup I would recommend titanium backup, it's great for backing up all settings and apps.

Since my phone is rooted, what ROM should I use to get OTA update?
Or I will need to switch back to stock ROM to get it?

I dont imagine your settings to be lost, i would imagine, system update, reboot and its version 2.2 but like with most roms etc a hard reset recommended? obviously backing up your settings is advised like with all updates

benko286 said:
Since my phone is rooted, what ROM should I use to get OTA update?
Or I will need to switch back to stock ROM to get it?
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I would assume when you flash the OTA ROM it will return your phone to stock and remove root. You be better off holding off for a day or so to let the dev's do there thang.

So - seems we've established that the OTA update will reset everything on the device.
DPK suggests that the HTC backup feature will restore everything - can anyone confirm that this includes:
Apps
Scenes / Homescreen layouts
Accounts - core Google account / Gmail accounts / POP3 accounts
Network configuration - O2 / Voda settings etc
WiFi settings - access details for all the hotspots I have signed on to
Data - email / contacts / calendar etc
It's taken a couple of months for me to get the Desire exactly how I want it and all works well so I'm not convinced I'm even going to want to update - but if I do / it is thrust upon me it would be good to know how Android manages this process.
If anyone has any "from experience" answers ....

I have My Backup Pro installed but in the WM world it was never a good idea to use backed up apps - a full reinstall was best practice. Not sure if this applies to android.
Quite surprised that everyone seems happy to just suck it and see though - the move to Android does seem to require a degree of "abandon all control" that I wasn't expecting ....

Mark One said:
So - seems we've established that the OTA update will reset everything on the device.
DPK suggests that the HTC backup feature will restore everything - can anyone confirm that this includes:
Apps
Scenes / Homescreen layouts
Accounts - core Google account / Gmail accounts / POP3 accounts
Network configuration - O2 / Voda settings etc
WiFi settings - access details for all the hotspots I have signed on to
Data - email / contacts / calendar etc
It's taken a couple of months for me to get the Desire exactly how I want it and all works well so I'm not convinced I'm even going to want to update - but if I do / it is thrust upon me it would be good to know how Android manages this process.
If anyone has any "from experience" answers ....
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The HTC backup feature is pretty rubbish, it will only backup your user data, IE bookmarks, SMS, contact, network settings, wifi settings etc..
It doesn't backup you applications, sense homescreen layout (you don't even have access to your saved layout, which really defeats the object of that feature), mail accounts.
For application backup titanium is brilliant, though settings aren't always portable between different ROM due to the changes that entail in a new build.
This is the same for most phone OTA updates, I've had them in the past and it will cause problems with existing software.
Hope this advise is helpful.

doesn't astro backup your apps and other stuff?

Thanks koolaid, so as i suspected its back to square 1. Real bummer about scenes though.
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Official T-Mobile Update (1.21.110.4) Available

Guys
Just to let you know that it seems T-Mobile has started rolling out updates officially. I checked the update option and I have an update pending...So whoever is with T-Mobile can start the update at their end.
It lists improvements to the phonebook and email application.
regards
Yeah grabbed it about half an hour ago. Seems that if you have data backup enabled, when it restores it has doubled up my text messages...
badgerarc said:
Yeah grabbed it about half an hour ago. Seems that if you have data backup enabled, when it restores it has doubled up my text messages...
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Glad i havent setup backup on...
badgerarc said:
Yeah grabbed it about half an hour ago. Seems that if you have data backup enabled, when it restores it has doubled up my text messages...
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Yep exact same thing happened here !!!
Thanks for the headsup
I didn't bother restoring just cancelled it, still had all my user settings and messages.
So if I don't restore then it still keeps all my messages etc? And if I do restore, it will double up all my messages?
Please... PLEASE... Let there be an Orange update soon as well
If you want to backup your SMS Messages before you update, use this
http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.riteshsahu.SMSBackupRestore
It doesn't backup MMS messages though, just be warned. I use it everytime I flash a new ROM or change something...
Contacts are easier to back up, go into People, and choose Export/Import - then export to SD. Done!
Probably a stupid question, but where do you go to turn off restore?
i dont know if this is a silly question
but does anyone know what's new with this update?
all the update says is a better email client and a 'myphonebook' upgrade?
is there anything new to this?
a new radio etc?
i have downloaded the upgrade but can not install as battery is too low, currently charging..
Is it still possible to change to a generic rom after updating to this newest T-Mobile version? I ask because I'm only used to running custom firmware on PSPs, and I know with each iteration Sony tries to prevent downgrading - was just wondering if that's the case here too.
Is there a specific firmware I would be looking for, or is any unbranded 1.15.xxx.x eligible?
Thanks.
cgrec92 said:
i dont know if this is a silly question
but does anyone know what's new with this update?
all the update says is a better email client and a 'myphonebook' upgrade?
is there anything new to this?
a new radio etc?
i have downloaded the upgrade but can not install as battery is too low, currently charging..
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Well, the radio version has now been upgraded in this release. I havent seen any change to my reception due to the new radio ROM but its too early to say.
Also since this version was already out, it may just be worth it if any of the debranded HTC desire owners help tell (or point) us to whats changed.
Just installed the new update. I checked to see if there were any new htc widgets. Found 2 new ones "Profile" and "Ringtone". Haven't seen these mentioned are they new?
alio993 said:
Just installed the new update. I checked to see if there were any new htc widgets. Found 2 new ones "Profile" and "Ringtone". Haven't seen these mentioned are they new?
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No they're not new I saw those this morning, I am also yet to see any changes I'd be really happy to know of any
cgrec92 said:
No they're not new I saw those this morning, I am also yet to see any changes I'd be really happy to know of any
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hmmm...i tried to run linpack to test the scores (wishfully thinking) that the numbers would have gone up. To my surprise I found the scores hovering in the 4MFLOPS mark when earlier it used to be close to 7. It could just be my phone but thought I mention in any case.
cgrec92 said:
No they're not new I saw those this morning, I am also yet to see any changes I'd be really happy to know of any
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there was a list of new/updated things somewhere for other network i think
cgrec92 said:
No they're not new I saw those this morning, I am also yet to see any changes I'd be really happy to know of any
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I'm trying to install them but they're not showing up on the list of widgets. Am i doing something stupidly wrong?
Arggggggggg! This has fuked up my contacts all my facebook and emails are there and when i delete them they come back within 5 mins!! How do i stop this anybody no?
moran679 said:
I just tried to check for updates for my desire (unrooted) and I saw that I can update to 1.21.405.2.
UPDATE:
It seems that the update is only available for the EU unbranded roms.
Changes reported:
- Updates bootloader to 0.80
- New radio image
- New youtube app with HQ option (1.6.20E).
- Fixed htc's weather widget (integrated into clock&weather widget) not knowing where you are (1.15.xxx just said the name of the country in some countries).
- SMS issue (from non-numerical senders) is resolved.
- fixed random contact showing when receiving operator SMS.
- fixes the voicemail bug for the French carrier SFR (short voicemail number used to call 911/emergency).
- Messages app now shows a count on the number of messages in the SMS inbox.
- calendar/contacts bug - unable to store contact's birthday - has been fixed.
- Long click on the menu button when in home screen now doesnt pop up the keyboard, like it uselessly did before.
- SMS reader does not show the little smiley androids any more - just the mere types.
- Exchange Company Address Book is now properly working. Was unable to use before the update.
- They have disabled the snooze function on the Optical trackpad for calendar events. This means that it is now possible to have the phone in your pocket without accidentally snoozing the alarms.
Known issues:
- OTA update on debranded/rooted roms resolves in wifi not working - debranded may be specific for orange.
- Doesnt fully charge for the first couple of times, probably a calibiration thing, it's ok after 3-5 charges.
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did a bit of search and voila suppose its pretty much the same if not better than for the HTC original rom

Unrevoked 3 Rooting Issues with my Droid Incredible

I am in desperate need of a solution...please help.
The company I work for uses Microsoft Exchange Server for our Email Service and before I rooted my Droid Incredible I was able to use the Exchange Activesync service on my phone to sync with my work's email without a problem.
Now that I rooted my phone I receive an error telling me I am unable to connect to the exchange server. I have already attempted to use "K-9 Email Client" and "Lockpicker" to see if I could connect. No luck... I believe the issue is with a missing certificate but I am not sure. I have already contacted my IT Department at my work which ended up being useless cause they are unaware of how to locate the certificate for our email service.
Anyways if anyone could shed some light on this please do...Thank you!
Also Facebook does not sync contacts, the live feed works fine.
I don't really mind this cause I'm using "FB Sync" to get my friends pictures but I do miss having all of Facebook contacts shown in my Contacts List.
Phone: HTC Incredible
Rom: ClockworkMod 2.5.0.1
Kernel: 2.6.29-Hydra-ocuv-ov-n-v07
unroot with the ruu (that should be somewhere close in the dev section)
and re root with unrevoked3. i have to say, ive tried all the roms except pmf yasr and red and blue, and ive never had all these wierd errors everyone had. my theory is that all the incredibles are made differently. some are more resistant to modding and rooting and others arent. but anyway, just ruu and apply unrevoked3. and be sure to backup contacts and data before ruu
sent from my friggin phone
not sure about the email thing, but for your contacts try ensuring that Facebook contacts are selected to show up by going to your contacts list and hitting Menu > View and make sure you have Facebook checked.
jstuart91 said:
not sure about the email thing, but for your contacts try ensuring that Facebook contacts are selected to show up by going to your contacts list and hitting Menu > View and make sure you have Facebook checked.
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Ya I did that and although the option to show Facebook Contacts is available...the list is empty and says I have zero friends. Which is wrong I have over 300 Friends. So the issue has to be with the ROM.
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Guys I give up!!!
I've tried two ROMs the one provided by Unrevoked3 by default and JagerRomSense both had the same problem - No Exchange Service and No Facebook Account Sync. I've decided to go back to the Original setup and just wait till the Official Froyo OTA comes out for Verizon. Cause I can't stand having issues with my phone. If you have any comments let me know what you think...Thanks!
Nismo6921 said:
Rom: ClockworkMod 2.5.0.1
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This is not a ROM, this is your new recovery which you probably flashed via the unrevoked tool. The unrevoked tool does not provide a ROM, all it does is root your phone and flash Clockwork mod recovery.
I have a feeling this was the start of your problems. You need to understand the differences between these types of things BEFORE you go and start modding your phone.
The company I work for is pretty picky about which phones can connect on their network and I managed to get the incredible up and running. As a hint, we recently purchased a smartphone company. Anyway when the purchase went through and they started letting execs carry the new phones, there were some ActiveSync changes that allowed exchange to work on just about anything that supported the required security policies.
Long story short, I’ve had a few times where i needed to delete the account and reactivate it because of sync problems. In order to do so, it seems like I have to turn lock picker off, setup the account, and then re-enable lock picker if I want that functionality. If you have this program installed, try disabling it, deleting your exchange account, re-adding your account, and then seeing what happens.
If by some strange chance you happen to work for the same company I hinted at above, shoot me a PM here and I’ll get you some instructions I found and essentially translated from the company we just acquired to the Incredible.
I have a phone by said company coming my way; they are expecting most of us to carry it at work. I wonder how hard it will be to switch back and forth…

HTC Desire Froyo OTA: NO DATA BACKUP

Since I received the Froyo OTA on my desire, I noticed that the backup is no more executed..Anyone noticed this?
The file on the sdcard/backup/HTC Desire are old of 3 days ago.. Are the backup files in any other location? How I can know if the backup is correctly exectuted now?
Could someone help me to understand this?
PS. Sorry for my english
Just to be clear..If I search Privacy I can see that the automatic backup option is flagged..So the backup should be executed or I'm wrong?
No one have this problem????
I do have exactly the same problem. Noticed this when I upgraded to the first froyo version, even the original htc betas.
No backup is done in the background, thus no restore option when upgrading the rom.
This scary me..Why the backup is not done anymore? Someone with others froyo rom have this?
200 people read this..and no one answer..hmm
Just found out this the hard way after doing a hard reset. All SMSs lost, all installed apps lost, all settings lost etc.
Even though HTC has led me to believe all my data would be preserved in their help and resource area:
"Your phone backs up the following types of data and settings whenever there are new additions or changes:
* Text and multimedia messages
* Settings in the Messages application
* Web bookmarks..."
As far as I can tell, my phone behaves exactly like OPs. There is a backup on the SD, but the last update to it was when I applied the official OTA update (which was stupid, since I was planning on rooting).
I too can search privacy to find the backup settings, which looks enabled.
I have read somewhere that on froyo, the backup is made automatically to googles cloud and not on the card. Not sure how to control this.
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I've lost all privacy options from the settings menu. Any ideas?
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This worries me too...
Did someone asked to HTC for info?
How with Froyo on the Nexus One? No backup on sd card executed too?
C'mon folks this is a pretty big issue... any ideas?
If you go to settings, search, searchable items and ensure phone settings is ticked then you can hit the search key and search for privacy. This leads you to the phone's privacy settings. Mine still shows the back up settings active, but I don't know how it works.
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Yeah... I had that setting active also when i searched for privacy, didn't do anything though. Did the hard reset just to find out that there is no way to get your data back, not from the sd-card nor from google's cloud. Interesting that froyo was ment to improve the backup situation and htc's implementation destroys it totally. Same with the browser, i'm almost missing my 1st gen iPod touch browser.
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Yeah... I had that setting active also when i searched for privacy, didn't do anything though. Did the hard reset just to find out that there is no way to get your data back, not from the sd-card nor from google's cloud. Interesting that froyo was ment to improve the backup situation and htc's implementation destroys it totally. Same with the browser, i'm almost missing my 1st gen iPod touch browser.
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Setting plug ins to on demand in browser settings removes any slow scrolling etc.
adesonic said:
Setting plug ins to on demand in browser settings removes any slow scrolling etc.
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Didn't work for me, and there are a lot of people like me... Htc needs to address this asap.
mroek said:
As far as I can tell, my phone behaves exactly like OPs. There is a backup on the SD, but the last update to it was when I applied the official OTA update (which was stupid, since I was planning on rooting).
I too can search privacy to find the backup settings, which looks enabled.
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That HTC backup wouldn't allow you to return to your older firmware, if that's what you meant.
Probably misunderstood ya.
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Cmmts said:
Just found out this the hard way after doing a hard reset. All SMSs lost, all installed apps lost, all settings lost etc.
Even though HTC has led me to believe all my data would be preserved in their help and resource area:
"Your phone backs up the following types of data and settings whenever there are new additions or changes:
* Text and multimedia messages
* Settings in the Messages application
* Web bookmarks..."
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When you do a hard reset its stated quite clearly that you loose all your data, including the backups. What you quote from HTC is the fact your stuff gets backupped when there is an update etc.
Factory reset is a.. well.. factory reset
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RaptorRVL said:
When you do a hard reset its stated quite clearly that you loose all your data, including the backups. What you quote from HTC is the fact your stuff gets backupped when there is an update etc.
Factory reset is a.. well.. factory reset
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Can't you restore your data like contacts / sms / mms etc from the sd card after a hard reset?

[Q] Preparing for 1st root and custom ROM. Need some clarification.

I’m getting ready to root my EVO and load it up with a fancy new custom ROM but before I do that I still have a couple of questions. I’ve found extensive information on how to back up the current data but most of it applies to a device that ALREADY HAS BEEN ROOTED. Is there a “How-to” guide that covers how to back up everything BEFORE the device is rooted? I'd prefer a method that has been testing and will allow me to recover if I need to.
So far, I’ve been able to back up some, but not all, of the applications using Astro Tools. Google contacts will sync with google and my phone contacts are on my Outlook. A side question: Is there a way to move phone contacts to google contacts?
I would also like to ensure that my “contact links”, SMSes, and call history are saved.
What happens to purchased applications? Will “Marketplace” still be able to ID my phone and allow me to re-download these applications?
I also want to ensure that my 4G “keys” are backed up.
My final question is with regard to ROM recommendation. I know, I know, everyone is different, etc. I would like a ROM that is:
1. Stable Froyo based with the latest fixes (no 30 fps limit, good audio streaming over BT)
2. Allows me to remove some of the useless Sprint Apps like NASCAR (I think I should be able to do this with all the ROMs once rooted)
3. Allows me to use a bluetooth keyboard (not sure which ROMs have this capability, I’ve only heard that Cyanogen might)
4. Allows the use of the forward, back, buttons on my bluetooth headset when playing media (same as #3)
5. It would be nice if it allowed me to force roaming. When I’m at work the Spring signal is really bad and it kills the battery very quickly.
Thanks in advance.
I didn't completely read your post, but I'll get in a quick reply to help a brother out. Root with Unrevoked 3.2 and use Titanium. There's no real need to back up before rooting because Unrevoked doesn't wipe your phone.
The Android Market backs up your purchased apps if you are signed into your Google account. Not sure about your Bluetooth questions.
The best Sense rom in my opinion is Fresh 3.3. I would check it out. Cyanogenmod 6 is by far the best rom without Sense, but no 4G.
Your contacts are synced with Google. You can back them up by exporting them to your SD. I'm using the AOSP contacts app, but I think it's the same for the Sense contacts app. Hitting menu should bring up the option.
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Thanks for the quick reply. I'm glad that the purchased apps are tied to the google account and I probably should have thought of that; LOL.
I've heard quite a bit about Fresh and I don't mind Sense at all so I think I'll give that ROM a whirl first, especially if it supports the bluetooth profiles I need. If not, then I guess it's Cyanogenmod for me. Detroit area currently doesn't have 4G so wouldn't be losing anything.
I tried backing up my contacts before but when I ran the restore I found that the "contact links" were either not backed up or not restored. I guess I should restore phone contacts from Outlook or else I'll end up with a ton of duplicates anyway. I probably will have to re-link all the contacts anyway.
Glad to hear that rooting won't corrupt the phone but I'd rather have as much backed up as possible just in case.
I'm not 100% sure on this, but Google should maintain your contact links. As long as Google has backed up your contacts (you can check at google.com/contacts), when you set up your Google account on a new rom, they'll be back, linked as they were before. Some more input would be nice, though, as I'm not completely sure.
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[Q] Friend is freaking out...no idea what happened

So my friend has a Dinc and not so much knowledge of phones. i tell her about the awesomesauce of root and she tells me to take care of her phone. so i root it with revoked (not the forever one) and start tweaking. ok, tweaking done - LauncherPro, Swype, Handcent, SetCPU, autokiller, adfree, etc etc. all was fine for about 2-3 weeks until this morning she wakes up to swype/launcherpro/handcent force closing and all her contacts are gone...she said it reverted back to all old settings.
possible update from verizon?
i'm in CT and she's in NJ, so i can't exactly take a look at the phone. any ideas as to what could have happened? she WAS drunk as fck last night.
android market shows no apps in downloads. and unable to search for anything.......
First, it's kind of silly to customize a phone so heavily for a person who has no clue how to support it when you're too far away to support it.
Second, I hope you taught her how to nandroid because it sounds like she's going to need to restore. The only thing I can think of that would fix the issues would be to fix permissions and reboot the phone... I can't really think of any settings that would cause those issues.
crap. well agreed on the first part...second part i should have thought to make a backup when i finished...which i didn't. the few things i did didn't seem like much really.
i think something happened while drunk...which could be anything...but now i'm not sure what to have her do. she lost all her contacts so i guess it doesn't matter if i have to have her reflash some basic rom.
dusthead said:
crap. well agreed on the first part...second part i should have thought to make a backup when i finished...which i didn't. the few things i did didn't seem like much really.
i think something happened while drunk...which could be anything...but now i'm not sure what to have her do. she lost all her contacts so i guess it doesn't matter if i have to have her reflash some basic rom.
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Did she lose the contacts from her Gmail account, or just from the phone? They will be restored if not lost from Gmail when she gets it back up and running.
there's really no such thing as "just a basic rom" nowadays. devs put a lot of effort and time and code into them, what you should do is some research and have her reinstall a STABLE rom . either way there should have been some sort of backup made, lol, otherwise id say you're a ****ty friend and has every right to be pissed at you lol. with that said have her try to get into recovery and restore a backup.
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Thanks for the couple of ideas, but like I said, there is no backup to fall back on. The two things I missed while tweaking her phone was the initial backup and showing her how to restore. I'm not new to this, but not perfect.
Past those obvious mistakes, pointed out many times, right now a few things have changed. Astro no longer works either, and she can't reinstall anything because the market is blank. She did get some contacts back somehow. Is there a way to replace the market to fix it?
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You could have her try installing alternative markets like applanet...if it doesn't crash on the install or launch of the app...then she should be able to get the ball rolling on a resolution... might I add, applanet is just an example of an alt market... google alternative markets, you should easily find five or six different ones... if that fails... try apktor.....
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Have your friend RUU the phone. If they use Google services the contacts will be restored.
She doesn't use enough google services to get everything back...told her to usaa them for contacts at least.
Will a factory reset do the trick? She's prepared for the consequences.
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Did you load up Titanium backup for her? How about Backup Assistant?
In any event, a hard reset may fix the issues - just trying to help you save some of her data / contacts.
Epicardium said:
Did she lose the contacts from her Gmail account, or just from the phone? They will be restored if not lost from Gmail when she gets it back up and running.
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That only happens if the contacts are Google Contacts, not Phone Contacts. IIRC, all new contacts are Phone contacts by default.
On a more serious note, this sound very familiar to something I ran into while flashing a new ROM on vacation (Note to self, dont disturb a perfectly stable phone while 800 miles away from home!). Everything I tried to run seemed to FC and I couldn't get into the market or an alternative to download fresh copies of apps. I ended up reflashing the ROM, I dont remember if I tried a factory reset or not but ultimately it sounds like a wipe and clean install of a stable ROM is your best friend right now (unlike your current status with her lol).

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