hi,
just a stupid tech question that keeps me wondering.
i have a HTC Touch pro2
i'm happy running android and windows mobile latest HTC ROM on it.
now the strange thing is...
on WinMo i never, ever got a 3g signal only Hspda and most of the time Edge.
so basicly my speed s*cks.
now the other hand.
on android on running 3g almost all the time, and speeds are super.
what the heck is going on?
i would think to Stable HTC rom would be the best for now, but it is't.
so the question.
what is android doing differently then winMo with the same APN settings on the same location. that one gets Edge and android gets 3G?
ps...
you android devs... keep up to good work.
HSDPA is 3g lol.
High-Speed Downlink Packet Access (HSDPA) is an enhanced 3G (third generation) mobile telephony communications protocol in the High-Speed Packet Access (HSPA) family, also dubbed 3.5G, 3G+ or turbo 3G, which allows networks based on Universal Mobile Telecommunications System (UMTS) to have higher data transfer speeds and capacity
Thought: when in WinMo do you use Internet Explorer? b/c no matter what your connection speed is, that browser is super slow. If that's the case try Opera Mobile 10 (fast + stable) or Opera Mini 5 (faster + slightly buggy).
If this doesn't apply to you feel free to ignore that advice
3G
mmmh
on wiMo if i start up my data connection
my icon of the data connection goes verry fast to the following letters
3G
H
E then my connection works
and sometimes G
so i think it's
3G
Hspda
Edge
Gprs
my i'm wrong
but on the same place i boot to android
and it's 3G and sometimes goed to E = edge
is it that android sees the 3G and HSPDA as one?
ps i'll try the browser thing, idd still IE
piwi3910 said:
mmmh
on wiMo if i start up my data connection
my icon of the data connection goes verry fast to the following letters
3G
H
E then my connection works
and sometimes G
so i think it's
3G
Hspda
Edge
Gprs
my i'm wrong
but on the same place i boot to android
and it's 3G and sometimes goed to E = edge
is it that android sees the 3G and HSPDA as one?
ps i'll try the browser thing, idd still IE
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Yes, android sees 3g and HSDPA (DPA - "Downlink Packet Access" not PDA - "Personal Digital Assistant") as the same thing. In WinMo the "H" is a faster connection than the "3G".
I suggest trying different radios
piwi3910 said:
mmmh
on wiMo if i start up my data connection
my icon of the data connection goes verry fast to the following letters
3G
H
E then my connection works
and sometimes G
so i think it's
3G
Hspda
Edge
Gprs
my i'm wrong
but on the same place i boot to android
and it's 3G and sometimes goed to E = edge
is it that android sees the 3G and HSPDA as one?
ps i'll try the browser thing, idd still IE
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FYI: If the "H" signal bugs you try downloading Advanced Config for WM. I think it's on the marketplace and change the "Show HSDPA icon" to no. It will continue using HSDPA (because, as said here, HSDPA is faster) but it will show the 3G icon at the top.
I'm almost the time, have 3g signal....I already call several times on video call (only works on 3g)
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I've seen in my TyTN, WM6, radio 1.34 a (strange?) behaviour. I noticed with VODAFONE : I have a plain UMTS connection 3g icon and 3g data connection alive, used for push e-mail.
When I am in HSDPA area and data connection starts data transfer, I see a switch between 3G and H connection, then revert after 1-2 seconds ad the end of data transver back in UMTS mode.
Hypotesis:
1) Could be a simple WM6 LVSW edition bug
2) Could be a WM6 feature (HSDPA has well known problems in voice phone avaliability when active)
3) Could be a Vodafone Network feature, HSDPA onli when needed
4) 1.34 radio compatibility problem/feature?
5) ......
6) I am stupid and this is a well known fact
Question:
Any other wm6 user noticed same behaviour?
It has always worked like this, HSDPA is ON when you need it, not all the time.
thats part of the design, saving resources for the network.
elivne said:
It has always worked like this, HSDPA is ON when you need it, not all the time.
thats part of the design, saving resources for the network.
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This isn't working this way for all mobile phone providers in Italy, with TIM if you are in HSDPA area it will stay connected... and you're off-line if someone calls
May be we discovered why isn't enabled as DEFAULT setting and we need to enable using SetHSDPA.exe
sergiopi said:
This isn't working this way for all mobile phone providers in Italy, with TIM if you are in HSDPA area it will stay connected... and you're off-line if someone calls
May be we discovered why isn't enabled as DEFAULT setting and we need to enable using SetHSDPA.exe
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Ditto in Australia. If im connected to GPRS, the icon is permanently showing HSDPA... unless of course i only have GSM coverage (very rare!!).
In Taipei, it works exactly as elivne says... H only when needed.
Cheers
FWIW, I didn't experience proper "throttling" in and out of HSDPA mode until I upgraded to WM6 and radio 1.38 (not sure which to thank for it). Prior to that whenever I was in H coverage, the radio would run almost exclusively in H mode. Talk about battery drain! Currently I can run for almost 2 days between charges (and that's with push mail).
How a particular combination performs for you must depend a lot on the carrier, your locale, etc. Took a lot of "trial and error" for me.
Yep, I'm on UK T-Mobile, and my icon only switches from "3G" to "H" when it's active.
As vp3G says, it noticably saves battery power from the old "permanent HSDPA" behaviour. Although I can't claim to get 2 days usage out of mine.
It is a network feature. If you are inactive on HSDPA for t sec the network will downswitch you to UMTS ( called R99 ). Only 10 users can use the HSDPA at the same time and there is an inactivity timer ( t=10 sec) try to manage the traffic by moving inactive users to R99 ( max speed 384 kbps)
Thank you for sharing your knowlege Austin Boy....
..."and that's the way it is"
Cheers
austin_boy said:
Only 10 users can use the HSDPA at the same time and there is an inactivity timer ( t=10 sec) try to manage the traffic by moving inactive users to R99 ( max speed 384 kbps)
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Really only 10 simultaneous users? Seems like the odds of getting a timeslice when you need it would be virtually nil.
The 10 limitation can be increased by any operator by adding Channel elements (Radios) or more when adding another carrier ( frequency). Europe has more spectrum than the US and it is possible to get two carriers ( 2x5MHz) and use one for speech and the other for data. In the US we are sharing the spectrum between GSM and UMTS. AT&T will be migrating GSM to UMTS gradually and using the 850 band for UMTS before moving to LTE (4G)
sub69 said:
Yep, I'm on UK T-Mobile, and my icon only switches from "3G" to "H" when it's active.
As vp3G says, it noticably saves battery power from the old "permanent HSDPA" behaviour. Although I can't claim to get 2 days usage out of mine.
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I have a similar switching scenario.
Prior to flashing my Radio to 1.38.00.10 and ROM to Black 2.0 I tested my download speed at www.dslreports/mspeed and was please to see I got almost a 1Mb/sec rating.
However since the flashes I have re-tested and am now only getting 250-300 kb/sec. It may be the network, so I will try on a few separate occasions and different locations.
NB. I have enabled HSDPA in HTweaksC
I noticed during the test that the download bar jumps staright up immediately but then slows down quite a lot?
sergiopi said:
I've seen in my TyTN, WM6, radio 1.34 a (strange?) behaviour. I noticed with VODAFONE : I have a plain UMTS connection 3g icon and 3g data connection alive, used for push e-mail.
When I am in HSDPA area and data connection starts data transfer, I see a switch between 3G and H connection, then revert after 1-2 seconds ad the end of data transver back in UMTS mode.
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3 ITA is working same way.
Enabling HSDPA only when there is data transfer active.
Okay tried again on my commute home, and also when I got to my house.
Speed is looking good ! getting up above the 1mb/sec rate again.
Must have just been a busy cell/network
ok... i have a spv m3100 with black 3.0.1 wich is suposed to be HSDPA enabled... i have also enabled it in the tweaker.... today for the first time i have seen the icon H... in my area there is no HSDPA coverege... none... but i read today that untill the end of the year they are trying to cover it... and i was thinking that they are already making tests... i tested my speed at http://www.bandwidthplace.com/speedtest/ and i had a 145 kilobits per second speed... wich as far as i know it is similar to 3g... i disabled the HSDPA and tried a few times in 3g... the speed was 135 kb/s... to small the difference...
so... my question... what is the tweaker doing?... enableing HSDPA or just replacing the 3g icon with the H icon?
no one???
what is the tweaker doing?... enable HSDPA or just replacing the 3g icon with the H icon?
on my works touch hd we use gprs.
depending on the strength of signal the phone will display in the top title bar
3G or H or G
if it displays 3G it won't connect to my works software via gprs.
i have to wait for it to display H or G
is there any setting or software i can use to make my phone disregard 3G ??
scottydog90 said:
on my works touch hd we use gprs.
depending on the strength of signal the phone will display in the top title bar
3G or H or G
if it displays 3G it won't connect to my works software via gprs.
i have to wait for it to display H or G
is there any setting or software i can use to make my phone disregard 3G ??
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If you go to the manilla settings tab and disable 3G, does it still show 3G? I think it should default to GPRS if you do so (but I'm not 100% certain).
scottydog90 said:
on my works touch hd we use gprs.
depending on the strength of signal the phone will display in the top title bar
3G or H or G
if it displays 3G it won't connect to my works software via gprs.
i have to wait for it to display H or G
is there any setting or software i can use to make my phone disregard 3G ??
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find Comm Manager then turn off 3G
using Manila 2.5 its found at
Settings / Wireless Controls / Comm manager turn off 3G
or
older WM6.1 Start/Settings/Personal/phone/band/
select your network type to GSM
to 2G or 3G thats the question
press the option to dial out
press MENU
choose OPTIONS
choose BAND tab
change top drop down box from AUTO to GSM
choose OK at top of screen
Phone will go from 3G if its in it to 2G and will stay stuck in 2G
You'll notice that your battery life will also last longer and if you were always swapping from 3G to 2G and back, you may have missed alot of calls too...
Happy 2G'ing - i am
many thanx for your replies guys...very useful..
to clarify...am using wm6.1 "proper rom"...nothing exciting i'm afraid.
so qeequeg...not sure what manilla settings are? but if you mean touch flow
then theres nothing to disable 3g (just sync data/sound/wallpaper/communications/customise tabs/about)
eye bees....nothing to turn off 3g in comm manager..(but again i'm using wm6.1)
but eye bees crystal_clear if i follow your instructions for wm6.1 and change band to gsm...phone tells me "if you chance bandset settings PDP context data call will be deactivated"....select it and indeed phone displays G in top bar ALL THE TIME
this works ok but with the software we that i'm logging onto via gprs its very slow.
ideally i want phone to display H all the time...
when i follow your instructions to change band to gsm theres another choice of WCDMA....would this be any better??
again thanx for input...feel nearly there but would like to tweak further for the illusive H
scottydog90 said:
many thanx for your replies guys...very useful..
to clarify...am using wm6.1 "proper rom"...nothing exciting i'm afraid.
so qeequeg...not sure what manilla settings are? but if you mean touch flow
then theres nothing to disable 3g (just sync data/sound/wallpaper/communications/customise tabs/about)
eye bees....nothing to turn off 3g in comm manager..(but again i'm using wm6.1)
but eye bees crystal_clear if i follow your instructions for wm6.1 and change band to gsm...phone tells me "if you chance bandset settings PDP context data call will be deactivated"....select it and indeed phone displays G in top bar ALL THE TIME
this works ok but with the software we that i'm logging onto via gprs its very slow.
ideally i want phone to display H all the time...
when i follow your instructions to change band to gsm theres another choice of WCDMA....would this be any better??
again thanx for input...feel nearly there but would like to tweak further for the illusive H
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H = HSDPA its part of 3G and network dependant (sometime called 3.5G ?)
if 3G signal is not strong you will not always get the H
if 3G and H network not present then phone automatical selects G= GSM(GRPS) or E=EDGE
Phone/ Band settings
if you set to WCDMA would only connect to 3G/H network but if no 3G network coverage then no phone connection
Auto means Phone selects 3G or GSM which ever nework is received best
Hope that helps
eyebees...many thanx for your help and advice...appreciated
What is the H?
I'm new to droid and after always seeing E or G before rooting and installing liberated ROM, I now have an H. What is this? Does it use more Data?
buzz71023 said:
I'm new to droid and after always seeing E or G before rooting and installing liberated ROM, I now have an H. What is this? Does it use more Data?
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Icons in top bar means:
G=GSM
E=Edge
3G=well, 3G
H=HSDPA or HSUPA(High speed download/upload for 3G)
It does not use more data, rather it does increase max data speed(both upload and download)
Thanks
retsam88 said:
Icons in top bar means:
G=GSM
E=Edge
3G=well, 3G
H=HSDPA or HSUPA(High speed download/upload for 3G)
It does not use more data, rather it does increase max data speed(both upload and download)
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Thanks.......
tyvm ery hellp me
Guys is it totally normal for your internet connection icon to continuously switch between 3G and H?? no matter whether I set it for WCDMA only or GSM / WCDMA auto..
I have noticed that when there is no current internet connection being made - the icon remains 3G, then when i connect to the internet it switches to H, but freezes up all the time. When I use my o2 sim on the same desire handset, the icon remains H and the speed is fast continuously without any pause or disruptions.
Any help would be much appreciated, also a copy of an APN for orange internet would be great so I could check it with mine.
Never noticed a H on mine. Only seen it go to 3G+
Mine goes between 3G and H all the time while im in my flat.
Not checked while im out.
Its probs a network thing, orange might not have a strong 3G+ network in your area so it keeps switching. I even seen mine on GPRS sometimes.
3G+ is HSDPA
What I'm trying to say is that my phone never displays a H just a 3G+. I have pretty good HSDPA coverage where I am
thanks for the replies - will keep testing my internet connection, still feel that o2 was faster but what the heck - the Desire was free so had to switch alliance!
Various apps (Facebook, Market, Head to Head & Internet Browser) will only download data when there is a connection to the HSDPA signal.
The 3G signal has shown as 3 or 4 bars but will consistently not download any data. Once the HSDPA signal is found, then the download starts. This can be frustrating as there isnt always a HSDPA signal.
i tried to insert another network provider sim card and it showed 3G and when i tried to launch for example browser it instantly changed to HSDPA icon and loaded pages so i didnt check anything... (i couldnt recreate a situation when only 3g was available, no HSDPA)
I currently am on DHD by baadnewz 1.7b but this also happend on Stock Desire Froyo.
any advices ?
dzumagos said:
Various apps (Facebook, Market, Head to Head & Internet Browser) will only download data when there is a connection to the HSDPA signal.
The 3G signal has shown as 3 or 4 bars but will consistently not download any data. Once the HSDPA signal is found, then the download starts. This can be frustrating as there isnt always a HSDPA signal.
i tried to insert another network provider sim card and it showed 3G and when i tried to launch for example browser it instantly changed to HSDPA icon and loaded pages so i didnt check anything... (i couldnt recreate a situation when only 3g was available, no HSDPA)
I currently am on DHD by baadnewz 1.7b but this also happend on Stock Desire Froyo.
any advices ?
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Hi,
I have the same problem.
i wrote to htc bout this, see what they respond
dzumagos said:
i wrote to htc bout this, see what they respond
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HSDPA or High-Speed Downlink Packet Access is 3G..Actually enhanced 3G or 3.5G
droidzone said:
HSDPA or High-Speed Downlink Packet Access is 3G..Actually enhanced 3G or 3.5G
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if so, then why nothing downloads when 3G is showing ? if hsdpa is 3g and hsdpa works fine...
dzumagos said:
if so, then why nothing downloads when 3G is showing ? if hsdpa is 3g and hsdpa works fine...
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It's difficult to comment. If you're rooted, try another custom rom with an updated radio.
i have the newest radio
dzumagos said:
if so, then why nothing downloads when 3G is showing ? if hsdpa is 3g and hsdpa works fine...
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If the "3G" signe appears in your phone, this means that it's trying to connect to your carrier's network. Once you're identified your can start to use data connection, then you get "H" "E" or another depending on the technology used by your carrier.
H goes for HSDPA, E Edge and so on...
So the lagg time is when your carrier tries to search whether you've got acces to a data plan or not.
Hey, so I'm confused. I activated 3G on my phone but it is not showing "3G" but it shows a "H" icon instead. My friend told me that "H" is slower than "3G". I'm not sure if it's the fault with the phone or there is some settings I'm missing.
I've set the phone on GSM/WCDMA auto.
Please help!
H is HSDPA
Dont panic, H stands for HSDPA, which is faster 3G setting for the network. In order of speed you will see
G - basic GPRS - slowest data speeds
E - EDGE - Enhanced GPRS - A bit faster than G but not going to set your world on fire
3G - Faster connection
H - Fastest connection
Which one of these you get depends on the cell you are connected to, the quality of the connection and how many people are on the cell (sort of, I am no expert).
In summary, dont panic! Your phone is fine, you have a great network connection, but I am afraid you have a friend who is wrong. Break it to him gently.
MS
I thought Edge was slower than GPRS?
My Vodafone Wildfire S shows 'E' at home (whereas my O2 Nokia phone shows "G" or "H" depending on the weather)
taffypride said:
I thought Edge was slower than GPRS?
My Vodafone Wildfire S shows 'E' at home (whereas my O2 Nokia phone shows "G" or "H" depending on the weather)
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GPRS is definitely the slowest connexion
mstockham said:
Dont panic, H stands for HSDPA, which is faster 3G setting for the network. In order of speed you will see
G - basic GPRS - slowest data speeds
E - EDGE - Enhanced GPRS - A bit faster than G but not going to set your world on fire
3G - Faster connection
H - Fastest connection
Which one of these you get depends on the cell you are connected to, the quality of the connection and how many people are on the cell (sort of, I am no expert).
In summary, dont panic! Your phone is fine, you have a great network connection, but I am afraid you have a friend who is wrong. Break it to him gently.
MS
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Ah, yeah I forgot about that, thanks mate