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Hi, I really want to buy a Desire but when I tried it in a store I could easily notice the fuziness caused by the Pentile subpixel layout. This was on white text on a medium coloured background - I've read it's worst on black/white. I also looked at the Galaxy S and the fuzziness was much less noticable - I just hate the look and feel of that phone.
The problem is I have a pretty low tolerance to small details like that and pretty good eyesight, so I was wondering if anyone here is as anal about visual flaws as me but happily lives with the Desire's screen? I want my next phone purchace to last a couple of years at least...
I also thought it might be nice to wait and see if HTC release a Desire with a S-LCD screen - sharpness wins over deep blacks for me considering the other potential flaws with the AMOLED screens. Any thoughts?
(If the Wildfire had either an AMOLED RGB screen or a higher resolution LCD then I'd just settle for that - it looks sexy enough to live with the lack of power.)
any thoughts? eh, sure. I don't see the the "potential flaws" of AMOLED screens at all. Sure a true LCD display will have sharper definition for black on white text, but I hardly would clal my Desire screen blurred or fuzzy. I think its fine. I do a lot of reading on the net too and its absolutely fine, but you are right an LCD like iPhone is sharper for text.
I prefer the colours and the perfect blacks myself. Makes using the phone for watching movies etc a pleasure. If you use it just for very small text though, get something else. If your as picky as you seem, you will definitely have problems with this one with its amoled screen. I won't even mention the over saturated colours or the pink hue when viewing grays. You won't like that either.
i compared the screen on my desire to my friends new iphone 4 and honestly i could only tell the difference when i got so close it was physically hurting my eyes to focus on it, i really think that the screen on the desire is top and i dont seem to have much trouble with it in the daylight either for some reason
By potential flaws I meant the uneven & relatively fast fading and the burn in that some people are reporting.
I looked for the pink hue in the shop but couldn't notice it. Isn't that a hit or miss thing?
OLED is a major selling point for me. But then is resolution (<3 my x50v)
Anyone think the Desire with an S-LCD would be a big improvement?
Yeah, daylight didn't seem to be an issue at all, compared to other devices I've used over the years.
I definitely see a huge difference between Desire and iPhone 4 though. Desire is actually about on par with the previous iPhones in terms of actual blurryness, but the fact the pattern is staggered makes it more noticeable.
Schmeggma said:
I looked for the pink hue in the shop but couldn't notice it. Isn't that a hit or miss thing?
Anyone think the Desire with an S-LCD would be a big improvement?
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No the pink hue effects all AMOLED screens when displaying certain gray shades. I suggest you read the sticky post all about the AMOLED Pentile display and how it works.
Is the Desire available with S-LCD? If not, whats the point? Just get yourself a phone with LCD and be happy. The power drain on a desire with LCD would be significantly increased too. Sure AMOLED uses more on a 100% white screen, but it use much less on darker themed screens or coloured screens.
I've read the sticky and think I have a good grasp of the issue, but I've seen reports from people saying the pinkness varies.
I also have 20/20 vision and this screen is fine, the only times I'm disappointed is while text is scrolling there is a visable wave in the letters and outdoor in direct sunlight you need to find the good angle to read.
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I used to be very anal about my phone. And of course you might be different but for me trying to choose the perfect one / making the perfect one ever more perfect just does not work. Huge effort, lots of frustration, little or no results and even the ones you get are brief. That's the problem with this attitude - you'll just always find another flaw to frown upon.
What worked for me was taking positive action rather than getting rid of all the faults. I implemented Allen's GTD system and I'm using my phone as a collection/organisation tool. Works great and now my phone is a very useful tool instead of being just a gadget. Flaws don't matter anymore. And with GTD I can be as anal as I only wish and still happy
BTW totally agree on Galaxy S. It's so much better phone than Desire but it's simply atrocious. Couldn't bear the thought of carrying something that makes me wanna puke for next 2/3 years.
mcgon1979 said:
No the pink hue effects all AMOLED screens when displaying certain gray shades. I suggest you read the sticky post all about the AMOLED Pentile display and how it works.
Is the Desire available with S-LCD? If not, whats the point? Just get yourself a phone with LCD and be happy. The power drain on a desire with LCD would be significantly increased too. Sure AMOLED uses more on a 100% white screen, but it use much less on darker themed screens or coloured screens.
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Pink hue is not AMOLED related since it shows also in software emulator (on PC) and varies among phones. Sticky post is wrong all around but arguments for that are buried too deep in long thread.
AS for OP, HTC announced LCD Desire, and I would like to see one. I can notice PenTile artifacts and don't like it (together with over saturated colors and pink hue), but phone is so good in other segments it is worth owning.
Lots of anal talk in this thread!
Seriously, I have never seen the pink everyone is talking about and I have had my phone since the middle of april. It's weird that some phones are affected and some are not.
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Yeah sure the screen has some negatives about it but when compared side to side to my old iPhone's screen its blows the iPhone out of the water. I prefer AMOLED because I can turn it up full brightness and not be blinded by an annoying backlight that make sthe phone more suitable as a flashlight than a screen.
I thought I replied earlier, but it seems Opera 10.60 is a little glitchy with the forum (and in general...)
Anyway, thanks for all the replies guys. On the way home I had a look at the Desire again in another store and found the screen a lot more agreeable. I tried it sitting down, making me naturally hold it a couple of inches farther away, which makes a big difference. Plus I had more of an "how nice is this display?" attitude rather than "can I notice the flaw?"
So I came home and ordered one online. If the text bugs me that much, I can always stick to my Axim for ebooks.
edit: Still eager to see what S-LCD brings to the table, though.
Apparently, S-LCD does not stand for 'Super LCD', it is just a name of Samsung-Sony LCD factory.
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I thought I replied earlier, but it seems Opera 10.60 is a little glitchy with the forum (and in general...)
Anyway, thanks for all the replies guys. On the way home I had a look at the Desire again in another store and found the screen a lot more agreeable. I tried it sitting down, making me naturally hold it a couple of inches farther away, which makes a big difference. Plus I had more of an "how nice is this display?" attitude rather than "can I notice the flaw?
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Did you know that PenTile OLED was in tens of thousands of cell phones for over a year before anyone noticed that they were different? If one has to be told that they are different... well that tells me that they work as designed.
Full Disclosure: I'm one of the inventors of PenTile technology.
PenTile technology was actually designed with a specific minimum distance from which to view it. Bring it too close to one's eyes, one will see the pattern. Actually the same thing also happens with the legacy RGB Stripe matrix, but since one is used to seeing that pattern, one mentally filters it out. The same should happen with the PenTile screen, once one is used to seeing it, one no longer "sees" it, if you can pardon my circular explanation, but it's true. If you use the phone at a more comfortable distance, as opposed to as close to your eyes as you can get, the screen will appear as intended.
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Apparently, S-LCD does not stand for 'Super LCD', it is just a name of Samsung-Sony LCD factory.
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That makes me happy, if it's just another IPS or whatever then I know what to expect.
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Did you know that PenTile OLED was in tens of thousands of cell phones for over a year before anyone noticed that they were different? If one has to be told that they are different... well that tells me that they work as designed.
Full Disclosure: I'm one of the inventors of PenTile technology.
PenTile technology was actually designed with a specific minimum distance from which to view it. Bring it too close to one's eyes, one will see the pattern. Actually the same thing also happens with the legacy RGB Stripe matrix, but since one is used to seeing that pattern, one mentally filters it out. The same should happen with the PenTile screen, once one is used to seeing it, one no longer "sees" it, if you can pardon my circular explanation, but it's true. If you use the phone at a more comfortable distance, as opposed to as close to your eyes as you can get, the screen will appear as intended.
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I definitely would have noticed it if I didn't know in advance. (I'm not trying to imply there's anything good about extreme pickiness - it's a compulsive disorder and a bloody nightmare.)
I appreciate the minimum distance thing, but obviously it varies with eyesight - hence the brief controversy over Apple's 'retina' claims. It's just going to require a slight adjustment to my habits while standing to compensate for this.
As for the RGB thing, I feel that's easier to mentally filter out because it's consistent vertically whereas Pentile alternates the relatively larger red/blue subpixels. I imagine this is why the effect was less noticeable on the Galaxy S's RGBW layout, despite the slightly lower DPI?
markuz85 said:
Lots of anal talk in this thread!
Seriously, I have never een the pink everyone is talking about and I have had my phone since the middle of april. It's weird that some phones are affectewd and some are not.
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So your saying the new forum theme doesn't look pink to you on your phone? All the grey bits around the forum are definitely pink in colour on mine. Maybe i have one of the affected phones.
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Pink hue is not AMOLED related since it shows also in software emulator (on PC) and varies among phones.
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Well then it can be fixed with firmware right.
markuz85 said:
Lots of anal talk in this thread!
Seriously, I have never seen the pink everyone is talking about and I have had my phone since the middle of april. It's weird that some phones are affected and some are not.
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you have not noticed the pink? well then you are not anal enough. try harder
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Did you know that PenTile OLED was in tens of thousands of cell phones for over a year before anyone noticed that they were different?
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As above, I think this is subjective. Some people stare at their phones looking for dust, looking for a hint of pink, looking for a mark in the case, looking for... etc etc etc... If you want to treat it like that you will be a very miserable camper. It's a phone, it has an average lifespan of 2 years probably. Use it. It reminds of these people who own a beautiful Ferrari but on't drive it. just keep it in a garage and rub it with a cloth. whats the point?
I think the only thing thats variable on the pink hue thing is the persons opinion of how pink it is. not noticeable or noticeable. some people will say its not there, some people will say it sso pink they cannot even see any other colours.
I had my eyes colour calibrated in a 16 hour operation at an optical lab in switzerland 4 weeks ago, they now recognise 400 shades of pink and have 20/20 vision, so I KNOW my phone has pink. etc etc LOL
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So your saying the new forum theme doesn't look pink to you on your phone? All the grey bits around the forum are definitely pink in colour on mine. Maybe i have one of the affected phones.
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The forum doesn't look at all pink on my phone, I've never seen this issue either.
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people who own a beautiful Ferrari but on't drive it. just keep it in a garage and rub it with a cloth. whats the point?
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Rubbing certain things can be very, um, therapeutic...
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Full Disclosure: I'm one of the inventors of PenTile technology.
PenTile technology was actually designed with a specific minimum distance from which to view it. Bring it too close to one's eyes, one will see the pattern. Actually the same thing also happens with the legacy RGB Stripe matrix, but since one is used to seeing that pattern, one mentally filters it out. The same should happen with the PenTile screen, once one is used to seeing it, one no longer "sees" it, if you can pardon my circular explanation, but it's true. If you use the phone at a more comfortable distance, as opposed to as close to your eyes as you can get, the screen will appear as intended.
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Sorry, but all your arguments don't add up. On LCD screens i have perfectly straight horizontal and vertical lines, there is no need to filter out anything.
On PenTile displays i dont have straight lines because of the pattern that is used. THAT is the problem. Lines look like zigzag-lines not straight ones. And no i'm not looking at my phone from 1 cm distance, i'm looking at it from a normal distance and i can see the pentile effect on my Nexus One. I also had a Motorola Milestone which comes with an LCD that surpasses any AMOLED PenTile screen quality regarding resolution. (while both claim to have wvga)
There is a very easy test for this. Take a Motorola Droid and a Nexus One. Place them side by side and open a webpage on full zoomed out view. You will see the difference in resolution quality VERY clearly. Anybody who claims that there is no difference is lying. You can't just imply that the eye can't see an difference because there are many people out there with normal eyesight (i'm not talking about eagle eyes here) which see the pentile pattern too clearly.
The whole topic is quite frustrating because when buying a nexus one you make one step forward (generall hardware) and two steps back (pentile).
As you all know, the new batch of Desire for Telus will come with SLCD.
androidpolice.com/2010/07/15/htc-desire-headed-to-canada-on-telus
I'm not from Canada so just wondering should I wait for SLCD to available worldwide or just grab the current AMOLED.
The main concern of mine is AMOLED with pinkish issue.
Anyone can tell me which is better ? Please to explain to me as I'm totally don't have any knowledge regarding SLCD & AMOLED.
Many thanks
kelvintan said:
The main concern of mine is AMOLED with pinkish issue.
Anyone can tell me which is better ? Please to explain to me as I'm totally don't have any knowledge regarding SLCD & AMOLED.
Many thanks
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I think it comes down to personal preference. I kind of like the AMOLED screen, and mine has a very soft neuance of a pinkish hue. But nothing that is annoying or anything. The SLCD is as you know the secondary preference of HTC, but it seems to be as good as the first choice..
I genuinely think if I wasn't a member of this forum and read pretty much everything about the desire, I wouldn't have noticed the pinkish tint to grey colours... That's just me, it really isn't bad and certainly not a deal breaker. For how often that colour even shows up, its not worth concerning yourself about. If you want AMOLED over an SLCD screen which I think is probably wiser seeing as it was HTC's first choice then get one now.. All I can say is the screens beautiful and full of colour, not having seen SLCD screens I can't say if it will be any different but unless its an improvement, then get an AMOLED one
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I genuinely think if I wasn't a member of this forum and read pretty much everything about the desire, I wouldn't have noticed the pinkish tint to grey colours... That's just me, it really isn't bad and certainly not a deal breaker. For how often that colour even shows up, its not worth concerning yourself about. If you want AMOLED over an SLCD screen which I think is probably wiser seeing as it was HTC's first choice then get one now.. All I can say is the screens beautiful and full of colour, not having seen SLCD screens I can't say if it will be any different but unless its an improvement, then get an AMOLED one
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Can't agree more. Haven't seen a SLCD live but I really like the shiny colors and this is enough reason for me to choose AMOLED over lcd I really don't care about the slight pink effect and anyway it's almost gone in 2.2.
I'm really happy with my desire
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If you don't notice anything wrong with the screen on a Desire with amoled screen then don't bother with the canadian version.
Some people are just more geeky and uptight about these things.
Personally the oversaturated colors was the first thing I noticed when I saw the phone in a shop without having read about the issue on the internet.
Amoled: The colors is punchier and fuller, the blacks will be deeper.
This sounds really good and most people dont find the oled on the desire bad
at all. Because of the type of amoled they used on the desire the screen wont
seem as sharp as a hvga screen should be. If you want to see amoled screen
done right, check out the samsung omnia hd, just perfect.
Lcd: The colors arent as full but after having had a tp2 for 6 months i think it looks really good anyway. Any lcd screen with hvga resolution will appear alot sharper than the one on the desire. Also i found while the colors werent as deep as on a oled i found the color spectrum to appear wider than on desire. Dont know if thats true that just the way it appears to me and what I prefer.
The Slcd they will use on the canadian Desire will be a lcd with a
ips panel. ips panels arent normally used on cell phones but alot of
graphics artists use them on lcd monitors when doing photo work.
I think theyre supposed to show colors more accuratley than
tn or pva panels.
I know the viewing angles on them are really good,
like 160 degrees. The downside has been that they don't have quite as
fast response time as tn or pva panels but it isnt a big deal if youre
not a twitch fps player.
Also, I read that SLCD drains more power than AMOLED.
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Also i found while the colors werent as deep as on a oled i found the color spectrum to appear wider than on desire.
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It is a contradiction. If colors are deeper then spectrum is wider. Amoled can display colors which LCD can't, and which doesn't even exists in any normal (sRGB) picture
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The Slcd they will use on the canadian Desire will be a lcd with a
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Can you share a source of that info?
phentex said:
Also, I read that SLCD drains more power than AMOLED.
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If you have two horses, one drinks 5 liters of water per day no matter what is doing, and other drinks 2 liters doing nothing and 10 if runs all day in full gallop, which one drinks more?
Consider you need additional 200 liters everyday to clean them and stables. Does it matter at all which one drinks more?
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It is a contradiction. If colors are deeper then spectrum is wider. Amoled can display colors which LCD can't, and which doesn't even exists in any normal (sRGB) picture
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I don't think that the colors are deeper and the color spectrum or color space is the same thing, maybe im wrong. I found the colors the desire screen showed were deeper, by deeper i mean more intense and fuller, as one should expect from a oled display. To me, the colorspace didnt seem as wide as on my tp2's lcd screen. That's my personal impression of it. It could be because of the pinkish hue wish also might add to the oversaturation of some colors. I found the color red specially to be oversaturated wich gave me the impression of the colorspace not to be so wide.
It's true that Amoled can show more colors than lcd, at least when oled
is done right.
Can you share a source of that info?
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You know what, im not sure that I can. I was pretty sure that ive read somewhere that S-lcd is the buzzword for Samsung's and Sony's joint venture for creating newer generation lcd displays with ips panels.
But now that I look for it im not so sure. I was certain i read an post on Engadget where they clearly stated that it was ips panel but I cant find that now.
There is one source vaugley explaining it here:
http://androidcommunity.com/htc-for...ft-lcd-from-amoled-due-to-shortages-20100625/
But it says:
"But, the big question is: what is Super TFT LCD? Well, you’ve actually heard of it before, because it has a nickname that’s come up recently in the news (after the announcement of a certain tablet). Super TFT LCD’s nickname is IPS. Which, yes, became “famous” thanks to Apple’s iPad tablet. It provides a wide viewing angle, and provides very clear images — even if the colors aren’t as “distinguished” when compared to an AMOLED display."
But the source of those news is:
http://www.oled-display.net/the-sma...tc-must-switch-the-display-from-amoled-to-lcd
Wich really doesnt say anything about being an ips panel
If the SLCD is even vaguely readable in direct sunlight, go for it. Because the AMOLED isn't, I don't care what people claim.
If it's an IPS panel, the I'd be very tempted to give 'SLCD' a try.
But whenever I pick up another phone since getting my Desire I notice the muddy, bleeding blacks that OLED eliminates.
It's official now. Wondering any review which is better..
youtube.com/watch?v=gY6qpnoziZM
Google chose to stop selling Nexus One instead of putting LCD monitor to it.
This decision says a lot.
fadasma said:
Google chose to stop selling Nexus One instead of putting LCD monitor to it.
This decision says a lot.
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Sorry, but I don't think the AMOLED shortage had *anything* to do with Google shutting up shop on selling the Nexus One!
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Dave
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That video kinda makes me feel good about having an AMOLED screen.
There's no screens named SLCD. S-LCD is the COMPANY that makes the screens wich will replace AMOLED-screens on HTC DESIRE. S-LCD is a joint venture between Samsung and Sony. According to wikipedi, S-LCD makes S-PVA panels (wich is even worse than IPS). The video showing the "new" screen on desire is clearly a S-PVA panel.
janroar said:
There's no screens named SLCD. S-LCD is the COMPANY that makes the screens wich will replace AMOLED-screens on HTC DESIRE. S-LCD is a joint venture between Samsung and Sony. According to wikipedi, S-LCD makes S-PVA panels (wich is even worse than IPS). The video showing the "new" screen on desire is clearly a S-PVA panel.
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Patterned vertical alignment and super patterned vertical alignment (S-PVA) are alternative versions of MVA technology offered by Samsung's and Sony's joint venture S-LCD. Developed independently, they offer similar features to MVA, but with higher contrast ratios of up to 3000:1.....
PVA and S-PVA offer the best black depth of any LCD type along with wide viewing angles. S-PVA also offers fast response times using modern RTC technologies.
Source: Search Wikipedia for TFT LCD
I've had a new HTC Desire with S-LCD in my hand for a while, along with my old Amoled one.
It's surely a lot better than my old LCD (Touch HD).
What impressed me is the clarity of the display, the whites, the good contrast compared to old LCD and the fact that (I think) the phone is lighter.
Of course blacks and contrast are miles better on amoled.
But where it failed me, is better readability in direct sunlight. It's more or less the same as amoled, which is (for me) average. I can live with that, but I expected the S-LCD to compensate more for its shortcomings.
All in all, I feared worse, but I would take amoled any day.
according to my box, I have the amoled screen.
Must say I'm pleased with whatever it is !!
So I'm wondering if the screen on the phone is actually nice? I've read mixed reviews but I'm just wondering if its exaggerated or if the screen is actually nice. How would current owners of the device rate it? Is it on par with the retina display? Are pixels actually noticeable? Any info would greatly be appreciated, thanks.
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Gja88 said:
So I'm wondering if the screen on the phone is actually nice? I've read mixed reviews but I'm just wondering if its exaggerated or if the screen is actually nice. How would current owners of the device rate it? Is it on par with the retina display? Are pixels actually noticeable? Any info would greatly be appreciated, thanks.
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I have spent around an hour with it and screen is CRAP compared to iPhone 4. Very very dark even on max brightness and AUTO off. There is no white shade, just grey. If you look closer, you can see individual pixels even they call it HD screen. Very dissapointed, such an amazing design with fresh Android, but terrible screen. Not even SAMLOED+.
iPhone 4 screen is unbeatable.
Really? In a way this wouldn't surprise me, though. My 4 and 4S have always been crisper than the other phones I see. I would've hoped the GN would be better though.
Can you comfortably load a desktop web page and see all the text without zooming?
wow. That sounds absolutely terrible. A nightmare. No white shade, just grey. wow. Just canceled order. Thanks for that.
the screen is brilliant, i love it.
Oh really, huh?
Funny, since usually people complain that AMOLED screens are too ****ing bright.
Crank the brightness up a bit and the GN is a decent screen, certainly better than my NS. Now I also have an iPhone 4s (work made me do it!) and I'd say the colours are a little more realistic on the iPhone. In the end the screen size is of greater benefit to me and fairly soon
Supercurio will have worked his voodoo magic and we will be able to choose whatever colour temperature we want.
Edit... the screen isn't dull in comparison with the iPhone, that's complete crap (sorry). And there are no pixels when zooming in on web pages.
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Tom Servo said:
Oh really, huh?
Funny, since usually people complain that AMOLED screens are too ****ing bright.
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Take iPhone 4 and put next to Samsung(max brightness) and you will see HOW dark is sammy`s display and how "white" is white colour - just terrible. Samsung should have used some really premium display in their flagship superphone instead of this crap. I`m so used to superbright retina screen, looking at sammy`s screen felt like its $50 phone.
Hows it compare to QHD screens ((Amaze/Sensation)?
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Hows it compare to QHD screens ((Amaze/Sensation)?
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I had Sensation and its screen was pretty bright, I would say more brighter than GN.
All of you who are saying GN screen is woow/amazing - you haven`t seen iPhone 4 screen. Put both side to side and you`ll see yourself. If you had $20 Nokia, then of course it will be "mind blowing" screen for you.
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I had Sensation and its screen was pretty bright, I would say more brighter than GN.
All of you who are saying GN screen is woow/amazing - you haven`t seen iPhone 4 screen. Put both side to side and you`ll see yourself. If you had $20 Nokia, then of course it will be "mind blowing" screen for you.
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Er - I have!
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There are some funny people out there.
IMHO the screen is fantastic. Side by side with the GS2 it blows it out of the water. Sharper, clearer AND bigger. The GS2 looks distinctly low res.
Sure the iphone screen is pretty but its tiny.
Im sure people will disagree with me but thats the great thing about opinions
Can anyone do a side by side screen comparison and post pictures?
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I had Sensation and its screen was pretty bright, I would say more brighter than GN.
All of you who are saying GN screen is woow/amazing - you haven`t seen iPhone 4 screen. Put both side to side and you`ll see yourself. If you had $20 Nokia, then of course it will be "mind blowing" screen for you.
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I have seen iPhone 4 screen.
I still prefer the Galaxy Nexus screen.
opinion is subjective. you cannot tell me that I am wrong for liking the Galaxy Nexus screen compared to the iPhone 4. you can only disagree with me.
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IMHO the screen is fantastic.
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Kind of YES it is - because its huge and high res(it has to be, otherwise pixels will jump into your face)
Side by side with the GS2 it blows it out of the water. Sharper, clearer AND bigger. The GS2 looks distinctly low res.
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Agree, GS2 screen is just junk.
Sure the iphone screen is pretty but its tiny.
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++++, but it doesn`t make GN screen WOOOW or AMAZING.
I had so much hope for GN screen, now its out and I`m struggling to make a decision, but I need larger screen.
It's not really surprising that the iPhone has a "better"screen. It uses a high density IPS panel. IPS is well known for its superior brightness, color accuracy, and viewing angles. There's a reason IPS monitors are so wildly popular in photo/graphic editing fields.
Some will disagree because of their ridiculous iPhone animosity, but they don't really matter.
That said, the GSII screen (the SAMOLED+) is not "junk". Anyone who says otherwise is a fool.
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Can anyone do a side by side screen comparison and post pictures?
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Just google/youtube, quite few. But it doesn`t reflect real life situation because its recorded by camera and it does change colours etc. Go to mobile phone shop, take both and put side by side.
That's funny, I've owned every iPhone iteration except for this latest (4S) and I currently own a Galaxy S II. I took my S II to my friend, who imported a Galaxy Nexus, and is replacing his iPhone 4S (doesn't like it). We cranked the brightness to max on all 3 devices, and then to minimum on all 3.
The Galaxy Nexus had, arguably, the best screen of the bunch. We asked multiple people (5 or 6 of our friends were over) and they all agreed. Watching videos and looking at pictures shows a *WORLD* of difference. The screen on the iPhone is brilliant, but compared to the size and resolution of the Galaxy Nexus...you're kidding yourself if you think it's crap.
Disclaimer: The whites *are* more pure white on the iPhone, and the colors are more true to life; however, that's a common difference betwixt SUPERAMOLED screens and the screen in the iPhone. Some people prefer the higher contrast and color saturation in the AMOLED screens...and I'm starting to agree. After owning every iPhone I used to love them, but now I'm blown away every time I turn on my phone because of the way the colors pop.
Your opinion might be that the screen on the iPhone is better...but to say that the screen on the Galaxy Nexus is crap kind of tells me you've either never seen it in the same conditions as the iPhone or you're expressing your opinion through exaggeration.
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Kind of YES it is - because its huge and high res(it has to be, otherwise pixels will jump into your face)
Agree, GS2 screen is just junk.
++++, but it doesn`t make GN screen WOOOW or AMAZING.
I had so much hope for GN screen, now its out and I`m struggling to make a decision, but I need larger screen.
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Ok.... the screen did make me go wow ! As it has most people ive shown it to.
I dont agree with the apple corporate way of working so an iphone was never an optiom.
IMHO the GN is the best android screen ive seen.
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All of you who are saying GN screen is woow/amazing - you haven`t seen iPhone 4 screen. Put both side to side and you`ll see yourself. If you had $20 Nokia, then of course it will be "mind blowing" screen for you.
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Yes I have. I owned an iPhone 4 before this phone. I prefer the blacks and colours on the GN - much deeper blacks, much more vivid colours.
Whites/light greys, however, are a different story. On high brightness the GN wins, but anything lower and yes, they're grainy, bandy and greyey. Very poor, but I believe it's a symtom of Pentile displays unfortunately.
Those blacks though. Those blacks!
it is said that the galaxy nexus uses the pentile display .. and all we know that pentile isn't really good .. so i am going to buy a nexus tonight and i would to ask you if the screen good or bad .. do you like it or not ?
I've had numerous phones, GS2, iPhone 4...this is the best screen I've seen yet.
The Pentile discussion is kind of ridiculous.
I've had four phones this year
- Vibrant
- My touch
- Nexus S
- Evo 3d
When compared to everything else including my friends' iPhone this is the best display I have ever used.
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Its crazy good, by far the best screen on any device I've ever seen, blacks are so black u can't tell where the phone ends and the screen begins without looking really close. Also u can load up pretty much any page in portrait view with far away zoom and STILL read the really really fine text just fine.
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Yeah it uses a pentile display much to people's dismay. Quite a few people/reviews have stated the following: 1.) Whites appear like a linen yellow. 2.) Blue tinge on the screen 3.) Pixelation is noticeable on text. While that is all true the screen isn't that bad, passable at least while playing games or watching videos. Is it the BEST screen ever? I would say no.
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Yeah it uses a pentile display much to people's dismay. Quite a few people/reviews have stated the following: 1.) Whites appear like a linen yellow. 2.) Blue tinge on the screen 3.) Pixelation is noticeable on text. While that is all true the screen isn't that bad, passable at least while playing games or watching videos. Is it the BEST screen ever? I would say no.
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Sweetheart, you do know that the screen cannot have blue tinge and linen yellow whites at the same time right? Light cannot work like that. And pixelation is noticable on text? Are you insane? Have you seen the screen?
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Sweetheart, you do know that the screen cannot have blue tinge and linen yellow whites at the same time right? Light cannot work like that. And pixelation is noticable on text? Are you insane? Have you seen the screen?
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Calm down there Nexus fan boy/girl! I'm just stating these are things people have seen. Obviously not saying the blue tinge along w/ the yellow whites occur at the same time. Yes I have seen the screen numerous times, and a co-worker was the one to tell me about the yellowish whites.
aras1 said:
it is said that the galaxy nexus uses the pentile display .. and all we know that pentile isn't really good .. so i am going to buy a nexus tonight and i would to ask you if the screen good or bad .. do you like it or not ?
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Pentile on the original SGS/NexusS wasn't nearly what it is on this Galaxy Nexus. Last night I spent about an hour comparing and contrasting between his iPhone4s and my brand new Galaxy Nexus. When it came down to it, the Galaxy Nexus had the same readability as the vaunted Retina display, but with deeper blacks, and generally more vibrant (ermm, oversaturated) colors. Looks great to me, but people have different preferences.
i've had the moto droid, moto atrix, htc thunderbolt, iphone4, and this is by far the nicest screen ive ever had.
zetsumeikuro said:
Yeah it uses a pentile display much to people's dismay. Quite a few people/reviews have stated the following: 1.) Whites appear like a linen yellow. 2.) Blue tinge on the screen 3.) Pixelation is noticeable on text. While that is all true the screen isn't that bad, passable at least while playing games or watching videos. Is it the BEST screen ever? I would say no.
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Are you just quoting other posts or do you actually have a GN? If so does the screen look yellow, blue, or pixelated to you? If it does I would return it ASAP because it shouldn't. Mine and the ones I've played with in the store do not.
Pentile? What Pentile?
In my experience, the pentile isn't an issue. The screen is (theoretically) gorgeous, however (and maybe I'm an exception), I've seen that only about 1 in 3 GNexi have a screen that truly looks like it's supposed to. I'm on my third GNex, two of the three have had different screen issues, and the third had a great display but a blown earpiece
That being said, I wouldn't hesitate to buy one, just be sure to THOROUGHLY inspect it before you leave the store. I'm going back for my fourth today.
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Are you just quoting other posts or do you actually have a GN? If so does the screen look yellow, blue, or pixelated to you? If it does I would return it ASAP because it shouldn't. Mine and the ones I've played with in the store do not.
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My co-workers device's screen white's looked yellow. I went into the store to mess around w/ the device and did notice the same on those units. There have been others stating there is a blue tinge, which is supposedly a normal thing, as to preserve the blue pixel. The screen has minor pixelation but it's not too noticeable like the Moto devices.
You must have microscope eyes then. I can't see any pixelation holding device from one palm far from my eyes.
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My co-workers device's screen white's looked yellow. I went into the store to mess around w/ the device and did notice the same on those units. There have been others stating there is a blue tinge, which is supposedly a normal thing, as to preserve the blue pixel. The screen has minor pixelation but it's not too noticeable like the Moto devices.
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hbkmog said:
You must have microscope eyes then. I can't see any pixelation holding device from one palm far from my eyes.
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I do have very good vision yes.
No pixelation that I can see, and I use a lot of different types of high res screens for work. I'm really not sure how anyone can say they see pixelation on such a high density display. Take a look at the 'unlock' circle on the lock screen. You have to look realllly hard to see the jagidness - and this is a circle drawn with square pixels
Colours are slightly over saturated which makes them pop more, however they are not technically accurate - if you care. Eg. look at a photograph from a SLR camera on the gn vs a high quality computer screen.
The only real issue I see is the artefacts (grey 'dirty' look of white backgrounds) on the 2 or 3 lowest brightness settings. This is slightly annoying because you need to leave auto brightness on to preserve battery. You can however use a custom rom to change the lowest limit of brightness.
Trust me, when you turn it on, you'll think the 'google' logo that comes up is actually a sticker on the screen, and when the startup animation starts you'll fall off your chair
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Sweetheart, you do know that the screen cannot have blue tinge and linen yellow whites at the same time right? Light cannot work like that. And pixelation is noticable on text? Are you insane? Have you seen the screen?
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I will say that I can notice some pixelization of text, primarily on colored text (reds, blues, purples, etc. are the worst offenders), although that's not to say it's terribly pixelated, but it is noticeable if you know what you're looking for. Certainly nothing to dismiss the phone for, but to say it's not visible is untrue.
i can see it's pentile (having had a nexus one I know how it looks) but it's not much of a problem, the resolution is high enough. Sure it would be nicer if it was RGB, but it's good enough for me, at least (and I hated my N1's screen)
spamlucal said:
i can see it's pentile (having had a nexus one I know how it looks) but it's not much of a problem, the resolution is high enough. Sure it would be nicer if it was RGB, but it's good enough for me, at least (and I hated my N1's screen)
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Agreed. To each their own when it comes to displays! I'm not bashing on the display at all, just stating what I have seen.
spamlucal said:
i can see it's pentile (having had a nexus one I know how it looks) but it's not much of a problem, the resolution is high enough. Sure it would be nicer if it was RGB, but it's good enough for me, at least (and I hated my N1's screen)
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I agree. Overall I like the display better than my iphone 4, but it does have flaws, and I think the sharpness of the apple retina is better. Still, the blacks are to die for, and I like a little more punch to my colors since I'm not going to be doing any color-sensitive work on a phone. Plus, the size on the GN is juuuuust right.
Though I have to disagree with the poster that said the opening animation looks incredible. I was actually severely disappointed that they chose such a low res animation to "showcase" the HD super amoled display. It should be in native res, but it obviously isn't. That said, it would probably slow down the boot process considerably if that were the case, so it's just fine the way it is.
PenTile, yes. Excellent quality, also yes.
Unless you are a photographer, the colours shouldn't matter that much to you - white is still pretty white, and black is very black, and everything inbetween is pretty damn good too.
Those complaining about pixelation on the screen...well, to be honest, I can see pixels on my PC monitor, and it's a fancy-shmancy 1080p 120Hz 3D monster. I can see pixels on a Retina display. Pixels are everywhere.
I CAN SEE THE PIXELS D:
The OnePlus 3 has a crazy crisp display. Just kidding, this is automated text so who knows if this screen is any good. So, you be the judge! A higher rating indicates that it's extremely sharp and clear, and that you cannot see pixels with your naked eye.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
The display is definitely better than what weve had on the previous OnePlus phones. I did find the color saturation a bit weird coming from the LCD of the OnePlus One to the OAMOLED of the OP3, but it's a pretty beautiful display to look at.
I haven't been able to compare with another AMOLED screen, but compared to my LG G3 at full brightness, the OnePlus 3 screen colours doesn't seem as vibrant as an AMOLED screen should be. One other thing is that I've been so used to QHD on the G3, I can really notice the drop back to HD. Nonetheless, the OnePlus 3 is bang for buck no matter which way you look at it.
I just have one word. Gorgeous.
The display is sharp enough, bright enough and the color saturation is good. And definetly better than previous OP screens
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I haven't been able to compare with another AMOLED screen, but compared to my LG G3 at full brightness, the OnePlus 3 screen colours doesn't seem as vibrant as an AMOLED screen should be. One other thing is that I've been so used to QHD on the G3, I can really notice the drop back to HD. Nonetheless, the OnePlus 3 is bang for buck no matter which way you look at it.
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You notice because it has PenTile arrangement, not because it's FHD.
I've gotten used to it now, the screen is still quite amazing on the OP3. Tbh, I've always found it funny how phone manufacturers are sucked into the res race given some of the drawbacks of pushing a larger amount of pixels.
I'm moving from my Moto X (2014) to OP3, and trust me the white balance is WAY off towards the blue end. I read a review which did display tests on both the AMOLEDs of X and OP3, and apart from the white balance, OP3 has a slightly better screen and/or screen calibration than the X (which is 2 years old).
Overall I still find it blue after I switch from the X, but it's a beautiful screen nonetheless.
Soumitra.5693 said:
I'm moving from my Moto X (2014) to OP3, and trust me the white balance is WAY off towards the blue end. I read a review which did display tests on both the AMOLEDs of X and OP3, and apart from the white balance, OP3 has a slightly better screen and/or screen calibration than the X (which is 2 years old).
Overall I still find it blue after I switch from the X, but it's a beautiful screen nonetheless.
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Just got mine, haven't even turned it on yet, but AFAIK (from reviews) white balance is adjustable in the settings. Play around with the slider if it looks too blueish to you.
Explorer23 said:
Just got mine, haven't even turned it on yet, but AFAIK (from reviews) white balance is adjustable in the settings. Play around with the slider if it looks too blueish to you.
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Yep, thanks! Did that but forgot to mention. Though be careful when you change the slider, there's no reset option in case you want it as it came (not a biggie but a reset option would've been helpful).
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Text on my phone looks blurry and more like a 720p screen, particularly visible in landscape.
I've applied for a replacement. Let me see how that turns out to be.
edios123 said:
Text on my phone looks blurry and more like a 720p screen, particularly visible in landscape.
I've applied for a replacement. Let me see how that turns out to be.
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That's going to be the downfall of pentile. (The pixel arrangement of the screen) I don't think you have a bad display.
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robstunner said:
That's going to be the downfall of pentile. (The pixel arrangement of the screen) I don't think you have a bad display.
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That's a bummer. Didn't know it'd turn out this bad.
I really hope I had a defective piece though. Text looks really bad on it. It ruins the experience of using a premium phone.
Guess I'm really bothered by it because my previous phones were the 6P and Note 4 and I use a retina MacBook Pro; all three had/have excellent displays).
I was very worried about the display when I have heard many saying that it is not sharp due to the pentile arrangement.
Just got mine few hours ago, and here is my personal opinion:
The display looked sharp and crisp, the pentile matrix is hardly visible unless you look at the screen very closely, but under normal usage distance, the display is excellent.
It is true that true resolution on any pentile display is less than the ideal, and this artcile explains it: https://medium.com/@suyashsrijan/1080p-pentile-is-not-true-1080p-9951b9e5c2ee#.w8v3hh7vz
According to it, the effective resolution becomes 326ppi rather than 401ppi.
FYI, resolution of iphone 6s is also 326ppi.
To me the screen of OP3 is way better than the OP2. Everything just looks nice. My OP2 was calibrated with kcal and OP3 has similar calibration. Only the dark grey is a little on the blue/green side.
Disappointed with pixelation caused by the PenTile matrix. Sure, the display is great (much more vibrant and brighter than my outgoing iPhone 6 Plus) but with my perfect near vision small text and edges of icons etc all appear slightly jagged. From a normal distance it's not too bothersome but I can always see it. The 1080p RGB matrix panel on the iPhone appears instantly sharper in comparison but I still wouldn't say its a match as the colour, contrast and brightness are all far better on the OP3.
Resolution is too low for VR, but for everyday tasks is perfect.
I am hesitating to buy a 1+3 device mainly for the mixed comments about screen/display quality.
Can any owner of 1+3 post some pictures of any classical webpage (bbc, cnn, xda, ...) magnified gradually, up to the maximum (125%, 150%, ..., 300%, ..)?
Thanks
Ive been using the G3, and i dont care what anyone says, there is a huge difference between 1080 and 1440. The text looks smudged. However I cant stream Youtube nor Anime at 720p or higher anywas so it wont matter for me.
Still on the fence of buying it.
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Ive been using the G3, and i dont care what anyone says, there is a huge difference between 1080 and 1440. The text looks smudged. However I cant stream Youtube nor Anime at 720p or higher anywas so it wont matter for me.
Still on the fence of buying it.
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If you don't like it's most visible part, then why consider buying it?