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OK seeing as my previous question seemed to be ****e
In your opinion what would you consider the bes rom to use for WM6. And what are the pros and cons of it?
and i dont understand why my last thread was locked i only asked a question.
This will end up Locked part II. lol
You have really got some nerve.
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andyd358 said:
OK seeing as my previous question seemed to be ****e
In your opinion what would you consider the bes rom to use for WM6. And what are the pros and cons of it?
and i dont understand why my last thread was locked i only asked a question.
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All the current Rom's are good. As others have stated, it really depends on what you use your device for. Do you like a lot of apps pre-loaded with less space or do you like to load your own apps.
Again, it is up to you,....Just try one or two and decide for yourself...then you can write a review of the Rom's you tried...
If one thread was closed,,,this one will also be closed soon...good luck
CRapP
I really wanted 2nd post.
What is a rom?
andyd358 said:
OK seeing as my previous question seemed to be ****e
In your opinion what would you consider the bes rom to use for WM6. And what are the pros and cons of it?
and i dont understand why my last thread was locked i only asked a question.
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its called using a FU**N search and reading... as the release ROM has come out they are ALL THE SAME... now go and crawl back into that spider hole you came from...
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WOW....this is like getting stopped for speeding and getting away with a warning then peeling out as the cop walks back to his car.
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WOW....this is like getting stopped for speeding and getting away with a warning then peeling out as the cop walks back to his car.
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speaking from experience ??
Dude, it's like asking "what's the best car?"
You gotta first know what you want and need.
Then you gotta research for the viable options.
Then you gotta ask some targeted questions.
Then you may have to try a couple on.
Asking "which is the best ROM?" is just ignorant. If you can articulate what you are specifically looking for (stable OR fast OR latest updates OR etc.) then maybe you have a chance at someone giving you a meaningful answer.
If there was one ROM that is fastest, most stable, with the latest updates, then there'd only be one ROM.
Start at the Wiki for Hermes. http://wiki.xda-developers.com
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speaking from experience ??
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Very useful comments, all of you, i have to admit... Is this the kind of posts that made you become senior members?
How about quick explanation to the poor guy that there are different opinions and flavours of different ROMs and that nobody can define the best ROM, but he has to try several and choose one? Based on stability, rapidity, features, etc?
Ive been reading this forum for quite a while now, and i see it decading. maybe its because everybody knows everybody and u want to keep it this way, any newcomer is not welcome..
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Very useful comments, all of you, i have to admit... Is this the kind of posts that made you become senior members?
How about quick explanation to the poor guy that there are different opinions and flavours of different ROMs and that nobody can define the best ROM, but he has to try several and choose one? Based on stability, rapidity, features, etc?
Ive been reading this forum for quite a while now, and i see it decading. maybe its because everybody knows everybody and u want to keep it this way, any newcomer is not welcome..
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no... because its called reading... its really simple...
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no... because its called reading... its really simple...
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yes, and i agree any new member should start by reading a lot and then post. but as in life, you dont happen to meet only perfect people. and then what do you do? kill/hate/laugh at all the others? or maybe try to tell them smth and make them realize stuff, or just ignore them and do smth useful with your time?
i know it might get frustrating after a while, but there will surely be more like that guy coming this way, so ull get crazy at the end...
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Very useful comments, all of you, i have to admit... Is this the kind of posts that made you become senior members?
How about quick explanation to the poor guy that there are different opinions and flavours of different ROMs and that nobody can define the best ROM, but he has to try several and choose one? Based on stability, rapidity, features, etc?
Ive been reading this forum for quite a while now, and i see it decading. maybe its because everybody knows everybody and u want to keep it this way, any newcomer is not welcome..
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I figured I would let you tell the guy so you could be a senior member too......who cares junior or senior members should think before they ask. I think the best no joke response is the guy looking at this from a perspective of buying a car. Oh and ask me what car is best....I will tell you a Yugo.
At least somewhat of a starting point. I'll also say this. That unless you are really willing to invest some time (and frustration) into flashing ROMs, you may want to stick with the official ROMs. One was just released for the Hermes WM6. Please install Olipro 2.10 first before trying to flash. And please don't blame anyone but yourself if you brick your phone.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Cooked_ROMs
For ****ts and giggles
Just wondering if anyone has any record of posts by senior members that would now be flamed? Not instigating but I just thought it would be funny And for the record I like the senior members here, prob because I havent been flamed yet Ha ha
Also whats the best ice cream
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Just wondering if anyone has any record of posts by senior members that would now be flamed? Not instigating but I just thought it would be funny And for the record I like the senior members here, prob because I havent been flamed yet Ha ha
Also whats the best ice cream
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they can be found by using searching xda-dev with google...
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they can be found by using searching xda-dev with google...
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I was playin but thanks bro
Oh wait, were you refering to the ice cream or the posts? If it was the ice cream ill start the search LOL, ok thats the extent of the nonsense from this noob have a nice night guys.
swtaltima said:
I was playin but thanks bro
Oh wait, were you refering to the ice cream or the posts? If it was the ice cream ill start the search LOL, ok thats the extent of the nonesence from this noob have a nice night guys.
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yeah i know... its just disappointing when you look at the state of the forum at the moment... there are about 15 to 20 threads on which is the best ROM, 20 to 30 here is the Official Windows mobile 6 blah blah blah <rant> blah blah blah blah </rant>
any talks of a port?
No. Its illegal
Sent from my (insert daily ROM name here) Evo 4g
I would love to see WP7 ported over to the EVO just to say "Hey is possible" but I don't think I would waste such a powerful device like the EVO on such a crappy OS. I mean don't get me wrong, there are some things that are cool about WP7 but is not enough for anyone to ditch Android and use WP7 as their primary OS. If you want to use WP7 then either buy a WP7 phone or go and buy an HD2. I have an HD2 as well as my EVO and I can tell you that the HD2 is great for the fact that it runs so many OS but with that being said, is not even close to the performance of the EVO.
Really??? Page 2 of general.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=803726&page=5
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No. Its illegal
Sent from my (insert daily ROM name here) Evo 4g
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DUDE, don't give people the whole is illegal thing. If that's illegal then I'm pretty sure that if you wanted to start breaking things down as far as what is legal and what's not....alot of what's done on here would be illegal. Things like flashing phones to different carriers and stuff like that.
The HTC HD2 can be flashed to WP7 and Android.....is that illegal? If so, then you better inform XDA that they need to shut their doors because they have a bunch of illegal activity going on within their site.......I hate people like you...I really do!
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DUDE, don't give people the whole is illegal thing. If that's illegal then I'm pretty sure that if you wanted to start breaking things down as far as what is legal and what's not....alot of what's done on here would be illegal. Things like flashing phones to different carriers and stuff like that.
The HTC HD2 can be flashed to WP7 and Android.....is that illegal? If so, then you better inform XDA that they need to shut their doors because they have a bunch of illegal activity going on within their site.......I hate people like you...I really do!
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If it was done, it would never be put on this site. Microsoft goes after this stuff pretty hard. You have to have a license to run wp7. So could it be done? Sure, but not here.
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If it was done, it would never be put on this site. Microsoft goes after this stuff pretty hard. You have to have a license to run wp7. So could it be done? Sure, but not here.
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REALLY DUDE??? REALLY?....TELL ME WTF IS THIS THEN?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=977
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really dude??? Really?....tell me wtf is this then?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=977
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Windows is licensed for that phone
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Really??? Page 2 of general.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=803726&page=5
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really dude?? i dont troll around the Q&A section.. the topics popped up when i was writing my thread and there was non that came up dealing with WP7 on Evo... GOD I LOVE TROLLS/FORUM NERDS.
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Windows is licensed for that phone
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this is true, however there are legality issues with it running WP7 at this point.
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really dude?? i dont troll around the Q&A section.. the topics popped up when i was writing my thread and there was non that came up dealing with WP7 on Evo... GOD I LOVE TROLLS/FORUM NERDS.
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God forbid you take a few extra seconds to actually search for an answer instead of just cluttering up the forums with another useless, duplicate thread.
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this is true, however there are legality issues with it running WP7 at this point.
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Is whatever dude, you ask a question but then when people started answering your question your feeling got hurt or something so it is what it is. Call me a troll or a nerd but I can bet you don't talk to people like that in person so I'm gonna laugh it off and move on!
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Is whatever dude, you ask a question but then when people started answering your question your feeling got hurt or something so it is what it is. Call me a troll or a nerd but I can bet you don't talk to people like that in person so I'm gonna laugh it off and move on!
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LOL how do u take my comment offensive??? YOURE ACTING LIKE MY WIFE WHEN SHES ON HER PERIOD. If you could comprehend what I was doing, I was actually taking up for you.
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this is true, however there are legality issues with it running WP7 at this point.
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So you are aware of legality issues of it running on a WinMo6.5 phone but for some reason you think that all that gets circumvented when it gets ported to an Android device?
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God forbid you take a few extra seconds to actually search for an answer instead of just cluttering up the forums with another useless, duplicate thread.
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this comes from the clown who puts he has a otterbox for his phone under his sig... cool bro!!! cluttered is your forte. just chill dude, why do the scrubs on this site with 1000+ posts think they have control over people??? YOU JUST POST MORE BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE TIME... IT DOESNT MEAN ****. YOU JOINED 4 MONTHS BEFORE I DID lol get over yourself... it was the way you came at me, you could have said.. here you go man, second page... its called manners, use them.
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So you are aware of legality issues of it running on a WinMo6.5 phone but for some reason you think that all that gets circumvented when it gets ported to an Android device?
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of course not, but obviously most of the things done on this site arent exactly legal... i was kind of being sarcastic when i made that comment, being you brought up legality.
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LOL how do u take my comment offensive??? YOURE ACTING LIKE MY WIFE WHEN SHES ON HER PERIOD. If you could comprehend what I was doing, I was actually taking up for you.
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DUDE.....Give a break! What do you want me to say......Do you want me to say you win so you can go back into your basement? I mean, we're not getting no where with this ****! I was on here trying to answer a couple of questions and learn a thing or two like I usually do but if you're trying to start a internet pissing contest....you're in the wrong place!!!
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DUDE.....Give a break! What do you want me to say......Do you want me to say you win so you can go back into your basement? I mean, we're not getting no where with this ****! I was on here trying to answer a couple of questions and learn a thing or two like I usually do but if you're trying to start a internet pissing contest....you're in the wrong place!!!
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im not at all, im simply saying i wasnt talking **** to you.. and i dont need to go into my basement, im a happily married man with a nice home.. but thats really neither here nor there. just go for a spin in your mazda and chill bro.
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this comes from the clown who puts he has a otterbox for his phone under his sig... cool bro!!! cluttered is your forte. just chill dude, why do the scrubs on this site with 1000+ posts think they have control over people??? YOU JUST POST MORE BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE TIME... IT DOESNT MEAN ****. YOU JOINED 4 MONTHS BEFORE I DID lol get over yourself... it was the way you came at me, you could have said.. here you go man, second page... its called manners, use them.
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I put that i have an otterbox case so if someone had a question about it they can ask me. Because I try to be helpful. In fact most of my time spent here is helping or at least trying to help other people. 90% of my posts are answering other people's questions. I spend a LOT of time on this site, and see tons of casual posters come in and clutter this forum up and it makes it harder for everybody else to find the answers they are looking for when they have to sift through bull**** thread after bull**** thread. But you're right, I could have been nicer about it but I'm tired and have a headache and don't really feel like being nice right now. And I have no manners.
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I put that i have an otterbox case so if someone had a question about it they can ask me. Because I try to be helpful. In fact most of my time spent here is helping or at least trying to help other people. 90% of my posts are answering other people's questions. I spend a LOT of time on this site, and see tons of casual posters come in and clutter this forum up and it makes it harder for everybody else to find the answers they are looking for when they have to sift through bull**** thread after bull**** thread. But you're right, I could have been nicer about it but I'm tired and have a headache and don't really feel like being nice right now. And I have no manners.
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touche lol
It just seems to be getting worse and worse. It's not a competition here to see who gets the most downloads or posts in a thread...
You have dev's fighting, mods banning people for infractions that are minor compared to some of the stuff going on.
because the community is huge and the rom selection us even bigger and heads tend to swell easily.
I really don't think the mods are strict enough on this forum, one example being the cyanogenmod nightly thread, out of the thousands of posts there maybe 20% are about the actual rom. On other cases i've seen people jump on new devs calling them fake because they sounded like a dev that was once banned from this forum. I really don't get it, **** I could care less if someone was banned awhile back if they are developing new and exciting things for this phone who am I to judge? It's the devs and the mods they create that make this phone incredible, not the name.
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I really don't think the mods are strict enough on this forum, one example being the cyanogenmod nightly thread, out of the thousands of posts there maybe 20% are about the actual rom. On other cases i've seen people jump on new devs calling them fake because they sounded like a dev that was once banned from this forum. I really don't get it, **** I could care less if someone was banned awhile back if they are developing new and exciting things for this phone who am I to judge? It's the devs and the mods they create that make this phone incredible, not the name.
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I agree 100% with you. Everyone needs a little spankin' once in awhile but to be fully banned should take something very serious. Especially for the productive people.
I know that's probably not exactly what you were thinking but that's my own take on it.
I really don't know anything about the drama, I just need to make my 10th post.
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I really don't know anything about the drama, I just need to make my 10th post.
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That made me lol a lil
Heh, glad to see it's not just us in the Thunderbolt section.
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I really don't know anything about the drama, I just need to make my 10th post.
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Lol +1, I believe a thanks is in order for brightening my day.
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That made me lol a lil
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Fo real. Totally lol'd.
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cvbcbcmv said:
"I really don't think the mods are strict enough on this forum" "I really don't get it, ****" Irony much?
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Read my post again because I don't think you get it.
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Delete This
You better delete this. There is a reason these roms are not on xda
sent with love from me to you
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habarug said:
you better delete this. There is a reason these roms are not on xda
sent with love from me to you
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and why is that ?
Sorry to say Feeyo was band so his work is not welcome here
Sent from my HTC Hero running Cronos Ginger X using Tapatalk
Arranmc182 said:
Sorry to say Feeyo was band so his work is not welcome here
Sent from my HTC Hero running Cronos Ginger X using Tapatalk
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Damn! i had no idea how can i delete the thread ?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7663719&postcount=802
could be fun to leave this "delete this" thread around for a little while before killing it off... I for one have plenty of things I'd like to say and then have deleted.
could we all just start posting random **** here with the knowledge that it will soon be deleted?
Like if we all had a chance to do something crazy and say whatever was on our minds and know that it would all be erased from history, what would each of us say?
heh heh
don u tripping?? sounds like u've been smoking alotta pot mate
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don u tripping?? sounds like u've been smoking alotta pot mate
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heh heh whooooaaahh
;-)
actually listening to radiohead while at work... radiohead messes with your head a bit...
wtf we all gonna get banned for bumping **** in this thread^^
Well only on the HTC Hero forums people are like AAA its feeyo stuff remove it :O
You guys ever looked on the magic forums? There is a cronos rom on there. and well mods never been in there to say. guys this is crap. remove it....
Most guys who go about this Feeyo stuff act like your 12 or something and your parents said. that is was utherly bad. But some logic thinking and objectiv reading you can see that it was just a stupid war who has the best rom. back then it was.... and it is still the case.
Now he is doing everything according to all the rules known, and well I think the more stuff we got, the more we can base stuff on it. I am so in the mood to post a topic about all the cronos roms XD and if I get banned then. Well then that is just silly and sad
Guys grow up. he was banned like a year a go?? The past is the past. and well he did get the GB roms to what we are currently using so we should remove all the GB roms?? cuss most stuff CM needed to get GB working commes from Feeyo. so lets delete all GB roms...
guess my point is clear. It is darn open source.. and you all act like its not.
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guess my point is clear. It is darn open source.. and you all act like its not.
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LOL. That is an exact sentiment many have expressed about Feeyo, you're right Android is open source, but Feeyo did not follow the GNU/GPL guidelines. Hence the reason he was banned.
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LOL. That is an exact sentiment many have expressed about Feeyo, you're right Android is open source, but Feeyo did not follow the GNU/GPL guidelines. Hence the reason he was banned.
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That is correct. But the stuff he creates now does follow those things, so there is no reason for not allowing someone to post it on XDA. Well it is easy, if I smash Fly13 in it and then post it. its a different rom :O
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That is correct. But the stuff he creates now does follow those things, so there is no reason for not allowing someone to post it on XDA. Well it is easy, if I smash Fly13 in it and then post it. its a different rom :O
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Well if you can prove that Feeyo is regularly pushing and committing his changes to github or a similar code hosting site, then yes there wouldn't be a problem.
Also your second point, I totally disagree with, its not a different 'ROM' at all but merely the same 'ROM' but with an newer or older kernel. At best, its a patch.
Sent from my HD2 using xda premium
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That is correct. But the stuff he creates now does follow those things, so there is no reason for not allowing someone to post it on XDA. Well it is easy, if I smash Fly13 in it and then post it. its a different rom :O
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I agree with you and also think that the whole thing is ironic since all sense roms and many other roms built on xda break rules also. but whatever... as JieeHD said, it doesn't adhere to GNU/GPL guidelines, but it isn't actually illegal to not follow those particular guidelines. It IS however not allowed and xda is big on gpl compliance, as it should be I suppose, so this all makes sense.
People get way too involved in defending the (imho rather flawed) GNU/GPL guidelines.
This is one reason why I only release software under much more open licenses. GNU/GPL is designed with good sharing values in mind but it unfortunately has proven to bring out a rather militant side of some people - which is the exact opposite to the values that brought together those of us who were the original developers of open source software back in the 80s.
The rules and regulations were originally added to prevent people from using open source code in commercial apps without giving full credit and asking permission first.
And the accusation was that Feeyo was doing that same thing - using open source code and yet not giving credit where it was due and claiming it was his own code in his kernel.
I have seen evidence showing both sides of the matter, both showing the code to be the same in parts, and yet the evidence has shown at times other devs to have written it before feeyo, and yet in other examples it has shown feeyo to have written it first before other devs.
He has stood his ground consistently as have the accusers in this case.
The problem, however, is that the guidelines of the gpl say that the developer must provide full source code when asked. So when feeyo has refused to do so, the assumption has always been that he has been stealing code or claiming other's code as his own.
When in fact, all he has ever been proven to have done that I'm aware of is not providing code when asked to do so. edit: and yes, this does break gpl guidelines... but it's always been considered a rather small infraction other than with Feeyo for some reason.
In the end he did change everything to comply and he has complied for the better part of a year now.
Since complying is all that is required to be free and legal again according to the gnu/gpl regulations, his roms and code should be fine to post here now.
however as a member he himself is still banned afaik. but if someone posts his work it should be just fine, and as noted other forums have no issue with his work and actually welcome it.
I was really involved in the whole thing and a friend of one of the people who was involved in feeyo being accused in the first case. But I also like feeyo and have a lot of respect for him as he has made great roms and his support is second to none.
Just adding my 3 cents worth ;-)
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Dude, you a are in danger now
Hectic! Don, you and others, have mentioned "the one of whom we shall not speak" again.
Just to clarify, are we at least allowed to talk about him? This sounds more and more like the law that the S.A. Government is trying to pass through our Parliament today. Objectors will be wearing black armbands in protest. The Govt. don't want to include a "Public Interest clause" ( relating to the Secrecy Act)in our constitution. This means that even if Govt. members have done something that can adversely affect the public at large, you can get a jail sentence of up to 15 years for even being in possession of such information, never mind divulging this information to anyone.
Makes you think Huh?
Okay... IF it is so that Feeyo now is publishing his code and all that... then I think we should do this the proper way and ASK the mods if they can remove the ban. As far I know It's just a temporary ban. So if you do this and the mods let him in, I'll never speak of "the unmentiomable" again
sent with love from me to you
Unfortunately it was a permaban after Feeyo broke rules by creating another acount whilst being temp banned.
I wish it were different, Feeyo is a great dev and for most of us has had a positive impact on the whole hero experience.
Sent from my HTC Desire S using Tapatalk
and it's always exciting when he's here LoL.... ah, I miss the drama...
Community Engagement on xda developers
Where has the spirit gone of developers, making something better for all.
We like to make our devices better then what "stock" brings us.
But some people seem to forget what we are doing here: Create & Share
Why do people think that the "Open Source" software we are modifying or hacking is theirs to claim or Copyright.
Why are we not sharing and making better what others create...
Has the spirit here really gone?
And do we just want FAME ! !
If I was to create an app and hack Android, HTC or Samsung software by re-writing and adding code to it.
If this took me hours to do, this is still "Open Source" and people can copy my code in to their work.
The devs here are all working in a "Grey" area, and it's really hard not to see your work else where.
Consider it as a compliment if it is that way.
It took Google, HTC & Samsung hours to create what they made, do we care, and not touch it...
I don't think so ! !
HTC encrypts the Sense software because they don't want people to modify it... Do we care?
I don't think so...
So why do people/devs here on xda think that they can claim it for themselves?
Why do other devs get banned, or threads get closed if something similar is published?
We all Kang from Google, HTC & Samsung, but if we use some code from our fellow devs on xda, are we doing something wrong?
I don't get this!
I would really like this to be an open discussion, and try to clear this up for all of us.
My intention is not to start a fight, so please reply in a civilized way.
This also not directed to anybody in person
I hope the XDA staff can put themselves in my/our position, and try to understand it from this point of view.
My thoughts 1 day later @ post 141
DutchDanny said:
After a full day on this thread, I got more response then what I expected.
Thank you all for your participation.
You took the time to read this and give your opinion.
You all made me grow in my opinion, and maybe even change it a bit
What did it bring me:
Sharing now is for me: Collectively Developing (tnx Hacre)
I have no problems in being wrong, and might not have picked the correct words in some parts.
HIS POST
Good explanation on how the staff thinks
Thanks to my friend Russ for his well spoken words
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What is reasonable and what not.
Tnx Ben, my fellow team member got me thinking as well
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What am I gonna do now
beside building a rom and a kernel....
Gonna dig even more in the smali code (tnx af974)
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For me this discussion is finished... Tnx ALL I'm gonna move on...
If the staff thinks the same, lock it for reference.
Cheers
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The ETHOS of XDA-Developers
Back when I was a Senior Moderator, I was asked to put into words what the mythical Ethos of XDA-Developers was. This was then debated by the moderators, Administrators and owners, it was never formally adopted but it was accepted by most as the closest anyone had come to defining what XDA is (was).
Ethos: an English word based on a Greek word and denotes the guiding beliefs or ideals that characterize a community, a nation or an ideology.
XDA-Developers was founded on the simple principal that SHARING IS GOOD and when many people SHARE what they know, EVERYONE benefits. We exist upon this Ethos, we respect each other, we SHARE with each other, we do not judge one another and we HELP all who ask. We believe that while some may have more knowledge than another, none are more important.
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It pains me greatly to see how XDA has degraded over the years to become a playground of egos and pissing contests between little boys who think they own what they stole from someone else.
I have been a strong supporter of XDA for many, many years but, I find my desire to support XDA is waning as the climate of sharing and camaraderie shift toward a climate of ownership and entitlement.
agreed so many phones left behind due to ego and epeen ppl always bailing on phones just because its not popular it takes work to get publicity ...
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it was the same issues on the galaxy s2. people kanging others and people getting annoyed and ending up releasing stuff with the exclusivity and banning others from using it.
android is an open source at the end of the day. if someone wants to kang someone as long as credits are given and links to the originator's thread what is wrong with that? at the end of the day it should be a compliment to the originator that someone wants to kang your work and share it with the masses.
now i can understand if someone passes something over as their own and did not give credits. that is wrong and the culprits should be banned. but as stated above if proper credits are given then i do not see the harm in things.
but again on the flip side though if i was to spend hours and hours on something then the person who asks me for permission they should respect that i do not want to share...it kinda goes both ways really so it is hard to judge...but there are devs and themers included who act like real divas and most of the time now they do things for fame as Danny mentioned.
at the end of the day we are xda and we are here as a community and here to make our phones better and that is why the devs on this awesome site come in...devs should be sharing ideas together..not competing against each other
Franzferdinan51 said:
agreed so many phones left behind due to ego and epeen ppl always bailing on phones just because its not popular it takes work to get publicity ...
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Not sure we are talking about the same thing here my friend, its a much more important subject, sharing, the main reason XDA exists (or so I thought)
btw, thanked u when i was trying to quote ya, oh well, Ill share some love
There is really no better way to say it as both Danny and Russ summarized it very well. We are all here for one reason and one reason only, to SHARE. Isnt this what the "community" is about? I just hope the admins take a moment and reevaluate some of the people with powers around.
Ah before I forget, if you are gonna patent your "ideas" I really think its time for you to get a hold of apple, you already qualified with this mentality and in MY opinion, you do NOT belong here.
OK done venting... Thank u for listening.
DaDoctor said:
Not sure we are talking about the same thing here my friend, its a much more important subject, sharing, the main reason XDA exists (or so I thought)
btw, thanked u when i was trying to quote ya, oh well, Ill share some love
There is really no better way to say it as both Danny and Russ summarized it very well. We are all here for one reason and one reason only, to SHARE. Isnt this what the "community" is about? I just hope the admins take a moment and reevaluate some of the people with powers around.
Ah before I forget, if you are gonna patent your "ideas" I really think its time for you to get a hold of apple, you already qualified with this mentality and in MY opinion, you do NOT belong here.
OK done venting... Thank u for listening.
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oh trust me it happens in other forums as well. sometimes xda favors those who they want to favor and do not pay any attention to the other party and they side with those who they want to side with..it looks like politics sometimes and whoever is the topdog here should re-valuate the way the mods run the show here.
But the other thing though is devs who do not want to share there work, the dev who asked for permission and got knocked back should respect the other dev's decision. like i said at my post above it goes both ways. we can share but we can also not share as well....it is a difficult scenario really...but kanging and not getting permission is wrong
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oh trust me it happens in other forums as well. sometimes xda favors those who they want to favor and do not pay any attention to the other party and they side with those who they want to side with..it looks like politics sometimes and whoever is the topdog here should re-valuate the way the mods run the show here.
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Thats an other part of the discussion...
Who has the best friends here at XDA will win...
And those discussions are behind close doors.. As it would be better to show the "community" how they come to a decision.
And my post did not come out off the blue, but got me thinking on thinks that happend somewhere this week...
and made me a bit mad and disappointed @ xda
And I see a lot of people pushing the "thanks" button.. but I would like them to reply even more (hint xda staff )
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Thats an other part of the discussion...
Who has the best friends here at XDA will win...
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ahh mate that is so true. but not going to get into that. things should stay private specially between devs and mods. but sometimes us normal members like me would like to know what goes on though cause at the end of the day all this pickering effects the users of the roms cause we are the ones who miss out on class roms...so sometimes acting like kids is not always the best way to go about.
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ahh mate that is so true. but not going to get into that. things should stay private specially between devs and mods. but sometimes us normal members like me would like to know what goes on though cause at the end of the day all this pickering effects the users of the roms cause we are the ones who miss out on class roms...so sometimes acting like kids is not always the best way to go about.
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I would not wanna see the whole discussion, but they could publish the outcome in the thread(s) involved. So the community knows what happend and why.
And if all devs did share, the users would have even more choice to pick from.
And if all devs did share, the hack/tweak would only get better/bigger.
Here is my view on it.... we all agree that the spirit of XDA is about sharing. So if a certain person has spent many hours on programming/creating something and refuses to share it... why post it on XDA in the first place. I just don't get it, because in my eyes that's something small children do when one has something better than the others and refuses to share.
If you want to go 'look at what I've done, isn't it good, aren't I good?' And then go 'but you can't use it, because if you do I'm going to throw a tantrum...' Don't post it on XDA... somewhere, where the main rule is about sharing what you've done.
Just my opinion
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One of the main reason why I choose android is because of the openess of it. The reason why I'm in XDA is because of some great devs/hackers who spend time creating something wonderful and share it with the community without expecting anything in return. I really hope it stays that way.
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I would not wanna see the whole discussion, but they could publish the outcome in the thread(s) involved. So the community knows what happend and why.
And if all devs did share, the users would have even more choice to pick from.
And if all devs did share, the hack/tweak would only get better/bigger.
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DutchDanny, I know what happened this week, and believe me: I feel for you (at least in the part of permissions). If you try to ask some devs for permission to use their work, you don't get any answers, if you don't, they cry murder and let xda infract you. That can't be right in the long run. I've been around some years and xda was always about using other peoples work and build upon it (be it companies' work like HTC or Google, or other devs' work). But unfortunately that has changed in the last year or so. I have no problem with the fact that devs want to know who uses their work and for what and that a dev demands being credited for the use of his work. But I have a problem with the fact that some devs/themers/modders can prohibit the use of their work for others. When they claim copyright on that work, they should be reminded that they broke the copyright of numerous other ppl by simply creating their work.
So in my humble opinion, xda MUST change it's sharing policy.
My suggestion: People that want to use the official titles of recognized developers or themers should officially put all work they release on xda into public domain from the moment they release it (under the condition of being credited for it by everybody who uses it). Being RD or RT also includes some rules for conduct, and that sharing policy should be a part of that.
just my 2ct.
jotha said:
DutchDanny, I know what happened this week, and believe me: I feel for you. If you try to ask some devs for permission to use their work, you don't get any answers, if you don't, they cry murder and let xda infract you. That can't be right in the long run. I've been around some years and xda was always about using other peoples work and build upon it (be it companies' work like HTC or Google, or other devs' work). But unfortunately that has changed in the last year or so. I have no problem with the fact that devs want to know who uses their work and for what and that a dev demands being credited for the use of his work. But I have a problem with the fact that some devs/themers/modders can prohibit the use of their work for others. When they claim copyright on that work, they should be reminded that they broke the copyright of numerous other ppl by simply creating their work.
So in my humble opinion, xda MUST change it's sharing policy.
My suggestion: People that want to use the official titles of recognized developers or themers should officially put all work they release on xda into public domain from the moment they release it (under the condition of being credited for it by everybody who uses it). Being RD or RT also includes some rules for conduct, and that sharing policy should be a part of that.
just my 2ct.
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I know you and me never saw eye to eye but you could not have put it any better. Well written post.
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In part i agree but in part nope.
The real fault is by people that have no respect for other people or developers, take this little example:
User A make a rom, some smali changes, some scripts, some apps, a good room in the end.
It comes user B and say " uhm, nice rom but if i'll delete these 2 apk from it then it will be perfect"
So it do that, make thread and people enjoy his work claiming that his rom is better then user A.....
And?? Where is Development? No way, 7zip isn't a tool that can be said for development and the site name is pretty clear, it is not XDAKangers or XDA-ctrl&C/ctrl&V.
Don't get me wrong i'm all for sharing but some people think that sharing means just grab it and use it and the real problem aren't the mods but n00bs that don't know what is the respect for other developers.......that's whay so many thread are closed by mods.
Different story is when a Recognized Developer refuse to give permissions to use his work to another RD or another well know senior member, this should be changed.
I have to agree with the the majority so far, it does seem against the open source culture in which XDA tries to foster.
It does seem with the increase in "kanging" it creates a conundrum for Mods & Admins as to how to manage this, Do we enforce sharing? Do we try to create our own sort of "patent" system in which certain things must be shared under a so called "fair" use and other items such as themes for example be left under the current system we have as present?
We need to find a consensus amongst us as a community with a right way to proceed with this maybe danny could add a poll this to garner opinion on weather people would like to keep the current system or change it to get some sort of indication on weather the current system is working or not.
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DutchDanny, I know what happened this week, and believe me: I feel for you. If you try to ask some devs for permission to use their work, you don't get any answers, if you don't, they cry murder and let xda infract you. That can't be right in the long run. I've been around some years and xda was always about using other peoples work and build upon it (be it companies' work like HTC or Google, or other devs' work). But unfortunately that has changed in the last year or so. I have no problem with the fact that devs want to know who uses their work and for what and that a dev demands being credited for the use of his work. But I have a problem with the fact that some devs/themers/modders can prohibit the use of their work for others. When they claim copyright on that work, they should be reminded that they broke the copyright of numerous other ppl by simply creating their work.
So in my humble opinion, xda MUST change it's sharing policy.
My suggestion: People that want to use the official titles of recognized developers or themers should officially put all work they release on xda into public domain from the moment they release it (under the condition of being credited for it by everybody who uses it). Being RD or RT also includes some rules for conduct, and that sharing policy should be a part of that.
just my 2ct.
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I think you have a real good point there.
All that is released on XDA is under sharing policy.
And not to be claimed.
Credits are the least we could do...
btw: noting happend to me, but to members close to me.. But thanks
af974 said:
In part i agree but in part nope.
The real fault is by people that have no respect for other people or developers, take this little example:
User A make a rom, some smali changes, some scripts, some apps, a good room in the end.
It comes user B and say " uhm, nice rom but if i'll delete these 2 apk from it then it will be perfect"
So it do that, make thread and people enjoy his work claiming that his rom is better then user A.....
And?? Where is Development? No way, 7zip isn't a tool that can be said for development and the site name is pretty clear, it is not XDAKangers or XDA-ctrl&C/ctrl&V.
Don't get me wrong i'm all for sharing but some people think that sharing means just grab it and use it and the real problem aren't the mods but n00bs that don't know what is the respect for other developers.......that's whay so many thread are closed by mods.
Different story is when a Recognized Developer refuse to give permissions to use his work to another RD or another well know senior member, this should be changed.
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Please take this in consideration, cause this is what made me mad on xda for the decission it made this week, and what made me start this open discussion.
af974 said:
In part i agree but in part nope.
The real fault is by people that have no respect for other people or developers, take this little example:
User A make a rom, some smali changes, some scripts, some apps, a good room in the end.
It comes user B and say " uhm, nice rom but if i'll delete these 2 apk from it then it will be perfect"
So it do that, make thread and people enjoy his work claiming that his rom is better then user A.....
And?? Where is Development? No way, 7zip isn't a tool that can be said for development and the site name is pretty clear, it is not XDAKangers or XDA-ctrl&C/ctrl&V.
Don't get me wrong i'm all for sharing but some people think that sharing means just grab it and use it and the real problem aren't the mods but n00bs that don't know what is the respect for other developers.......that's whay so many thread are closed by mods.
Different story is when a Recognized Developer refuse to give permissions to use his work to another RD or another well know senior member, this should be changed.
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Very well said, but to stay in your example, couldn't it be that the rom WITHOUT the two apk's is really "better" (in the sense of "more popular") than the original? And as long as the creator of that second version stats in his OP the he took the complete work of dev 1 and streamlined it, shouldn't that be enough?
You are absolutely right. The problem really is that some (more and more) guys lack that deserved respect for developers and just don't credit the source, thus pi... off the creator and making him "close" the source, thus restraining true development (if only by removing two apk ). The way to ensure a "fair use" should be discussed and finally fixed. Staying with the situation we have now, that ppl can keep others from using their bits more or less deliberately, maybe just because they don't like their "nose", can't be right. If there are good reasons (history of kanging or whatever), thats something else again.
I'm very sorry, cause I'm not a real dev or themer or contributor, just a young Andoid user and member who's integrated one team after pass sometime to found or help others xda members.
Why I came here on xda site. I'm french, my english is average, but some french forums bored me, that's why I came here, for all that @danny, @russ try to explain in this thread.
And since a couple of time, all of this spirit is gone. For what ?
Money, glory, respect...maybe? But I think not for the last term.
I am here because I want to share and help other members.
But also and because the eco-system Android allows this exchange and to move forward development for the pleasure of all.
Then stop, stop theses local wars and let yours feets on earth.
If you want to make some money, don't diffuse your codes, I think it's not necessary to stay here. Open your site and nobody will be able to take your codes.
Thanks for your listening
Here are my feelings on it.
What has angered me with certain attitudes towards sharing in xda recently, is that it seems to have been initially offered, then retracted. We are given a taste, then told "no more, go make your own". Was the plan to hook us like junkies, then we'd all only have one place to run to for our "fix"? Then when we are all hooked, the price goes up? No more freedom. Only one choice. Is that how you should gain followers on xda? I think we've been treated like guinea pigs then discarded. Permission is withdrawn, refused, then terms like "respect" get banded about. Don't treat us like this.
So we break free. Start from fresh. We are off the hook. Clean. But someone doesn't like us off the hook, pushing our own "product" and, worried about some false notion of competition or turf invasion, goes to lengths to make sure there is only one messiah.
Except this isn't a competition. We are not rivals in different factions or tribes or gangs depending on what Rom we choose to get involved with. We should not be in it for glory, or to be the "Big Dog" whose Rom is forbidden fruit to be envied by those who choose to wear the wrong colors. We are not looking to amass the biggest army as a mark of our success.
Why has this gotten this far? Without getting bogged down in the legalities of open source and gpl, I just think some people in high places need to take a step back. Stop and think. Where do you draw the line between keeping healthy community, encouraging development, and simply looking after your "homies"?
I feel this line is currently drawn in the wrong place. And it didn't use to be.
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There does need to be a clear consensus and line drawn, so we can all ensure that the rules are clear and followed.
That being said; I, like many agree but also disagree.
Sharing here is much like in a store; you as a consumer have a choice. Now albeit here we do not pay for your 'goods' we do still take certain risks(warranty's etc). Now, XDA is also about offering choice so if the sharing policy extends to the point that we can take everything then what choice will be left. Much like you see everywhere on XDA choice is being eliminated everywhere as more builds are essentially the same but for a few wallpapers and tweaks in the build.prop which quite frankly ruins the whole point of having choice and there being more than one available.
Fair enough if someone has spent hours/days/weeks making something and shares it here but that shouldn't automatically then mean that every other 'dev' can bang it in theirs. All they have to do it ctrl+c, ctrl+v the thing after all your hard spent effort on it. The developer should be allowed to be proud of their work and it not to be diluted with it being everywhere. Yes I think we should help, share and combine efforts but if you have improved something and don't wish to share it then fair enough there is no law to state you have to and should someone effectively plagiarise your work then there should be punishments.
If I ask someone for something I would like and they say no, then I go get it myself or do without. I don't just take it anyway, that's what babies do when they don't understand the laws of society which even apply when you are online.
That's my input.