"A tale of four frameworks" - Windows Phone 7 Software Development

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jgalasyn/ar...rn-programming-a-tale-of-four-frameworks.aspx
A must read for anyone here.

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BD 3.5 Runs Hotter?

I noticed that after upgrading from 2.5 to 3.5, my Hermes runs alot hotter. When in calls, the phone gets hot, but running apps like Slingbox and Coreplayer runs the phone REALLY hot. It wasn't running this hot with 2.5.
Anyone else experience this? Could it be OS specific?
anubus12 said:
I noticed that after upgrading from 2.5 to 3.5, my Hermes runs alot hotter. When in calls, the phone gets hot, but running apps like Slingbox and Coreplayer runs the phone REALLY hot. It wasn't running this hot with 2.5.
Anyone else experience this? Could it be OS specific?
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wow a hot phone. I want that too!!! what movie did you play?
maybe it's the weather...
sorry, humor from Holland, we don't have it that often (and now you can see why)
pietrucci said:
wow a hot phone. I want that too!!! what movie did you play?
maybe it's the weather...
sorry, humor from Holland, we don't have it that often (and now you can see why)
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LOL That's pretty funny.
pietrucci said:
wow a hot phone. I want that too!!! what movie did you play?
maybe it's the weather...
sorry, humor from Holland, we don't have it that often (and now you can see why)
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LOL That's pretty funny.
Hi
I've found 3.5 has been running hotter for me them with other ROMs I've used, I'm glad it's just not me.
anubus12 said:
Anyone else experience this? Could it be OS specific?
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Dunno about the heat, but do know this issue should have been posted on the existing BD thread rather than starting a new one.
I disagree vp3G... That's how HoFo does it: gi-normous single threads that are impossible to work with. XDA always breaks out seperate issues
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XDA always breaks out seperate issues
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Sorry Sleuth, but I've got to call you out on this one. If this is the case maybe you can clarify the following directive for me (posted by your fellow Moderator here).
If you don't find the answer, please post a comment to the relevant thread instead of starting a new one.
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Personally, I'd much rather all issues related to a particular ROM flavor reside on a common thread, and that's how I've known XDA to be for as long as I've been around. What makes threads "impossible to work with" is useless posts like "downloading now...", etc. Not to mention if what you say is true there's no point in preaching to people to "search the thread", either.
vp3G said:
Sorry Sleuth, but I've got to call you out on this one. If this is the case maybe you can clarify the following directive for me (posted by your fellow Moderator here).
Personally, I'd much rather all issues related to a particular ROM flavor reside on a common thread, and that's how I've known XDA to be for as long as I've been around. What makes threads "impossible to work with" is useless posts like "downloading now...", etc. Not to mention if what you say is true there's no point in preaching to people to "search the thread", either.
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pof's point is based on granularity. Were he to be followed to the letter then everything here should be posted under the original thread "HTC Hermes Released!"
You honestly think this issue is deserving of it's own thread when it's so clearly related to one particular ROM, eh? If that's the granularity "litmus test", then nearly every issue should have it's own thread.
You're the Moderator, but I'm incredulous.
I guess I'm on the fence now.... Interestingly quite a few "my hermes is running hot" threads have been started recently. I'm not sure if its software or hardware related. Heck, I've had it happen myself once or twice but never narrowed it down.
Sleuth255 said:
I guess I'm on the fence now.... Interestingly quite a few "my hermes is running hot" threads have been started recently. I'm not sure if its software or hardware related. Heck, I've had it happen myself once or twice but never narrowed it down.
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Listening to a stream over HSPDA with BT headphones - sure way to make my 8525 really HOT and drain the battery in no-time.
@vp3G - let's keep one point in mind. this forum was created by developers to develop and hack. Posting ROMs geared toward the end user, as expected attracted an outrageous flood of noobs, clobbering the forum with messages unrelated to development, making it impossible to read and follow. What's the best approach to a complex task we all know - Divide and Conquer. Attacking and "teaching" noobs is not a solution as we just recently saw here. Hanging out on IRC with 3-5 others like or moving out to another server will simply limit the exposure. What's left ?. Maybe splitting a humongous thread on many small ones ... or maybe IMHO splitting the forum in "Users" and "Developers" sub-forums. As with everything else we shall be learning on the past. USENET mailing lists, the grandfathers of BBS and the the WEB forums like this one, they always had "xyz-users" and "xyz-developers" ( here is probably the origin of xda-developers name ). As I do not see this happening here, opening a separate smaller threads I believe is the only choice left at the moment.
vp3G said:
Sorry Sleuth, but I've got to call you out on this one. If this is the case maybe you can clarify the following directive for me (posted by your fellow Moderator here).
Personally, I'd much rather all issues related to a particular ROM flavor reside on a common thread, and that's how I've known XDA to be for as long as I've been around. What makes threads "impossible to work with" is useless posts like "downloading now...", etc. Not to mention if what you say is true there's no point in preaching to people to "search the thread", either.
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If that be the case then can we get sub threads for each ROM Cook so that threads don't become like 1500 posts long.
moisha said:
As I do not see this happening here, opening a separate smaller threads I believe is the only choice left at the moment.
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Sorry, but I fail to see how that's any sort of "fix" and anything but throwing ones hands in the air and declaring "nothing can be done". Spreading things out even further than they already are just so it doesn't have the appearance of devolving into a total clusterf*ck isn't going to accomplish anything. As a chef I don't particularly care to chase comments related to my ROM all over hell's half acre, nor find that additional threads have cropped up unbeknownst to me.
If this is to be a "developers" forum (which I believe it should, incidentally), then it's up to the moderators to make some sort of judgement as to what constitutes treating as such. I don't see that happening too often around here, quite frankly. Numerous unnecessary posts are made because people don't want to take the time to read a longer thread. Then, in turn, unnecessary threads get created because people want their particular issue to be noticed and not be buried in a longer thread.
The real irony in all this is that my initial beef with this thread was that it pertains to a ROM that doesn't "officially" live at XDA anymore. The ensuing discussion, however, has really opened my eyes as to why JasJamming, et. al., got fed up and left.
etijburg said:
If that be the case then can we get sub threads for each ROM Cook so that threads don't become like 1500 posts long.
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No, subthreads (and/or more "separate smaller threads") wouldn't be needed if the existing threads were moderated as though they're part of a developer-oriented forum.
Perhaps you guys should start a new thread to discuss the issue that is no longer related to this thread?
tehee gotta love xda and the guys who post in here
every other guy is smartass
IMHO, I think that clearly labelled threads about specific issues that havent been covered in the monster threads is the way forward.
If the OP posted about his hot phone in the main thread, he would find it difficult to find any answers to his query amongst all the others.
Of course some people start threads when there are already existing ones covering that issue... but this is a web forum... and thus threads are its life blood.

About xda-developers isn't.

There is no definition of what XDA is, nor the purpose of xda-developers.com.
There are two brief descriptions on the Portal.
One at the top, and one at the bottom.
Whilst I admit, this is a bit lacking, most people know it's an internet phone forum for hacking and modding devices.
The "About xda-developers" is for discussion about the site, not a definition.
Dave
ScottRedX said:
There is no definition of what XDA is, nor the purpose of xda-developers.com.
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Right, as Dave points out, we make this clear on the Portal, assuming that people go to the main page first, then go to the forums (for those that are first-time visitors).
DaveShaw said:
There are two brief descriptions on the Portal.
One at the top, and one at the bottom.
Whilst I admit, this is a bit lacking, most people know it's an internet phone forum for hacking and modding devices.
The "About xda-developers" is for discussion about the site, not a definition.
Dave
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Whatever happened to the original intro paragraph of the site? You know, the one that said "pretty much everything about the name of the site is wrong except for... This is a site dedicated to devices from a company called HTC.... you may not know these device by their original names, blah, blah, blah....
egzthunder1 said:
Whatever happened to the original intro paragraph of the site? You know, the one that said "pretty much everything about the name of the site is wrong except for... This is a site dedicated to devices from a company called HTC.... you may not know these device by their original names, blah, blah, blah....
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Yes I was looking for that description!
Is there a chance to have it back again?
Actual super brief description not really reflects what is XDA
egzthunder1 said:
Whatever happened to the original intro paragraph of the site? You know, the one that said "pretty much everything about the name of the site is wrong except for... This is a site dedicated to devices from a company called HTC.... you may not know these device by their original names, blah, blah, blah....
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It's still there for those that are not registered. To see it, log out, clear cache, and refresh the forum index. See attached =D.
That is not the original description of what was XDA, Mike should remember this
Hope we can have it back, I think it´s very important to know where and how all this began
There's a main page? That's bad isn't it. I've never seen it. Lol.

What You Need to Know About Windows Phone 7: Our Guide

Source: pocketnow.com
So you did a c&p of this article? What's the point in that?
Also whoever wrote it seems to been living in a cave for the past two months...
Windcape said:
So you did a c&p of this article? What's the point in that?
Also whoever wrote it seems to been living in a cave for the past two months...
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The article is dated august 1st and was posted on front page so I decided to mirror it here, got a problem with that, tuff!
Yes, just post a link next time? That's the normal way of the internet.
Windcape said:
Yes, just post a link next time? That's the normal way of the internet.
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Err I think not!, as I said if you have a problem, tuff sh*t!, go and have a cry to mommy or troll somewhere else.
You fail to realize the article is horrible to read in the way it's formatted on the forum. It's much easier to read on the direct link.
Time to stop the arguing...
There's nothing untrue in the article.
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You fail to realize the article is horrible to read in the way it's formatted on the forum. It's much easier to read on the direct link.
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Yeah and you fail to realize that your talking arse gravy!
How on earth is this "horrible to read"? Are you on crack or something?
Again, go away and troll somewhere else little boy.
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Time to stop the arguing...
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Not arguing bud, This guy is just been a prat and trying to troll and im just defending myself. I was simply mirroring an article on the forum for archival/info purposes.
Can you kindly tell him to go stop acting like a dweeb and lay off the crack.
doministry said:
There's nothing untrue in the article.
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Indeed, its a nice rundown of info which is why I decided to mirror it here. This fartcape guy is just been a ahole, probably because his only source of social interaction is when he trolls a post and waits for a reaction, he needs to get laid and some friends.
Windscape, almost every thread in this forum has been ruined or derailed by your arguments and insults. You rarely have anything of any value to add, your arguments are often slavishly pro-Microsoft to the point that they become nonsensical and you seem to be incapable of responding to anyone with any respect.
If you can't control your temper or avoid trolling the forum then I suggest we'd all be better off (you included) if you just kept your opinions to yourself and refrained from posting. There's no point to this forum if every thread is going to be filled with nonsense posts from you.
Actually, copying and pasting an entire article is illegal as it's copyright infringement. You're permitted to quote sections as that's considered fair use. Having it reproduced here removes their ability to make money off of the ads to keep their site open.
Angry much? If you were the originator of the content then it's fine to do copy and paste it. But it's inappropriate to do that for someone else's work.
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Angry much? If you were the originator of the content then it's fine to do copy and paste it. But it's inappropriate to do that for someone else's work.
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If you a re referring to me, I was angry and windcape for trolling not him moaning because I c&p a article.
I put the author of article at beginning of work so its not as if its trying to claim it or anything its simply a mirror with link to source.
And whether you think its inappropriate or not is your problem not mine. I simply dont care.
Also it should be fair to mention when I wrote my post, he had invalid BBcode, wrong links, and didn't link the source at all.
But I'll leave this one alone, even I still think the article isn't very up to date.
TheATHEiST said:
If you a re referring to me, I was angry and windcape for trolling not him moaning because I c&p a article.
I put the author of article at beginning of work so its not as if its trying to claim it or anything its simply a mirror with link to source.
And whether you think its inappropriate or not is your problem not mine. I simply dont care.
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"I don't care" "I don't care" "I don't care" Like a record. [in jest, not anger]
My post was my opinion of proper forum etiquete. I was posting to agree with the stance of others in this thread. Why do you think I care if you do or not?
Windcape said:
Also it should be fair to mention when I wrote my post, he had invalid BBcode, wrong links, and didn't link the source at all.
But I'll leave this one alone, even I still think the article isn't very up to date.
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Bullsh*t
There may have been a small window of when I edited a part where there was a broken bbcode but that is irrelevant to the comments you made. There wasn't any broken links and the source was linked to from the beginning, it was the first bit a pasted, so you are talking out of your rusty sheriffs badge
Bengal34 said:
"I don't care" "I don't care" "I don't care" Like a record. [in jest, not anger]
My post was my opinion of proper forum etiquete. I was posting to agree with the stance of others in this thread. Why do you think I care if you do or not?
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Again I wasn't simply copying somebody work and claiming it I was mirroring a article and stated source quiet clearly at beginning.
And the "do not care" remark had nothing to do with me caring if you cared or not, I mean I dont care about whether its "appropriate" or not.
The post has been edited now anyway because of little girls crying so pointless discussion.

[Complaining] - That's just Annoying Right There:

Does anyone else besides me think that their:
"teaser" threads, "coming soon" threads, "announcing the imminent arrival of" threads", and "available soon, just not yet" threads that have begun to pop up around the ET4G Forums are totally effing retarded, and a complete waste of space?
Because I do.
I don't need to know anything about what I can't have yet.
It's very similar to 'rubbing someone's nose in it', or saying "Hey,man: You can look, but you can't touch".
It's also why pre-release threads aren't allowed in the Dev section, and they definitely shouldn't be allowed here.
P.S.: It's "Venom".
So don't read them.
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk
As long as they are in General, its ok with me...
As someone already stated - don't read them. There are lots of annoying things in the forums with the same teams - why pick on one?
You don't have to read them - move along and read something else.

Posts being moderated at the official Sony forum

Hello,
Recently I was "Muted" over at the sony Xperia S forum for no reason, I don't give abuse, I just argue over facts that the Sony reps there give, and link past threads to their response to show them contradicting themselves. They don't seem to like this, so they muted my account. When I sent a PM to one of the reps, I got my voice back, and the private message was removed from my sent box.
Now my posts are being moderated and even deleted?! see attached.
Is there any point in posting there any more? Nothing seems to be attended to, and when I attempt to "show them up" it all gets deleted by a childish forum moderator.
Rant off..
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Hello,
Recently I was "Muted" over at the sony Xperia S forum for no reason, I don't give abuse, I just argue over facts that the Sony reps there give, and link past threads to their response to show them contradicting themselves. They don't seem to like this, so they muted my account. When I sent a PM to one of the reps, I got my voice back, and the private message was removed from my sent box.
Now my posts are being moderated and even deleted?! see attached.
Is there any point in posting there any more? Nothing seems to be attended to, and when I attempt to "show them up" it all gets deleted by a childish forum moderator.
Rant off..
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Nope. It just that the recent spam in that forum caused them to put extra layer of spam protection. Besides there's 1000 threads about the problems and posting another one is not necessarily useful.
I'm not posting new threads, im posting in existing threads with actual information. It's quite clear that I am not a bot.
skip0pot2mus said:
I'm not posting new threads, im posting in existing threads with actual information. It's quite clear that I am not a bot.
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Your subtle sarcasm is really not needed.
My point: There's a lot posts with the same exact information and no need to repost those information again.
I'm not reposting the same information.
If someone makes a post saying "I have this certain problem" and I reply saying "yes I also have the problem, since June 2012" That is me confirming the fault exists. Subtle sarcasm where, here or there?
If a Rep replies to a question saying "I'll forward to a dev look into it" I'm perfectly within my rights to say "hang on a minute, I told you the same problem 9 months ago" and you said "it was a hardware fault or do a reflash" yet now someone else says it, you will take it seriously?!
It's not a social forum, I'm there because I own a Sony handset, and expect support when the device doesn't function as intended, I don't expect to get fobbed off.
But fobbed off is exactly what we all get, when they look into it and can't figure it out they say "use an app from google play" or "we can't replicate the fault" and expect us to piss off and deal with it.
Why is this thread here?
I talked to a SONY Forum Moderator, some post were moderated because of 400-500 spams were posted and to prevent that SONY MODS introduced a filter and because of that some regular post were removed too.
And most importantly this is not the place you post complaints about other forums.

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