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I`m a Kaiser Owner, and looking at the Rhodium as a possible upgrade, but like many others here I`m sure, I`m concerned about iffy video performance. HTC really seem to have dropped the ball on this one, my experiences of the Kaisers video have made me wary.
Anyone heard any feedback on this topic? Anyone with a pre-production model give us a heads up?
For example, could the Rhodium play a 640*480 WMV video without dropping frames?
Same processor as the old TP must mean same video issues, right?
I had Kaiser, and with the right encoding & software video was absolutely fine! I don't know what all the complaints were about.
The Xperia can handle full resolution video pretty well if encoded correctly, and I'm sure this will be the case with the TP2 as well, as the hardware should be powerful enough to do it.
I can't comment on the Touch Pro, as I haven't used one. The TP2 has quite a high-res screen, but I'm sure it'll be fairly easy to get a decent video experience from it.
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I had Kaiser, and with the right encoding & software video was absolutely fine! I don't know what all the complaints were about.
The Xperia can handle full resolution video pretty well if encoded correctly, and I'm sure this will be the case with the TP2 as well, as the hardware should be powerful enough to do it.
I can't comment on the Touch Pro, as I haven't used one. The TP2 has quite a high-res screen, but I'm sure it'll be fairly easy to get a decent video experience from it.
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I think they made the drivers for the touch pro better didnt they? the 3d ones? so if they did yeah it will be VERY good if they do that for this to which I bet they will if they did for the old one
Won't be burned again!
Link278 said:
I think they made the drivers for the touch pro better didnt they? the 3d ones? so if they did yeah it will be VERY good if they do that for this to which I bet they will if they did for the old one
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To my knowledge nothing has been improved with the drivers for the touch pro. I have a Sprint TP and video sucks on it. Some ppl have messed around with 3d drivers with various levels of success, but nothing official has been done. There's a whole sticky thread at PPCGeeks on TP video playback tips:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=57282
So far I haven't really got anything to work for me reliably. What ppl fail to realize is that having a bigger/better screen is only going to make things worse if the hardware/drivers aren't improved. 320x200 video played fine on my Touch and probably would be fine on my TP, but going to 640x400 is 4x the resolution.
Unless HTC improves the 3d/video drivers, the TP2 is going to be as bad or worse than the TP because it is the same stinking hardware. I was so disappointed that the TP2 is just a rehashed TP which really has no better hardware than the Touch--just better screens w/o the greater horsepower to drive them.
I hope I am wrong about this and the TP2 video and graphics are awesome, but I certainly will not upgrade to it until I am certain the situation is improved.
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To my knowledge nothing has been improved with the drivers for the touch pro. I have a Sprint TP and video sucks on it. Some ppl have messed around with 3d drivers with various levels of success, but nothing official has been done. There's a whole sticky thread at PPCGeeks on TP video playback tips:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=57282
So far I haven't really got anything to work for me reliably. What ppl fail to realize is that having a bigger/better screen is only going to make things worse if the hardware/drivers aren't improved. 320x200 video played fine on my Touch and probably would be fine on my TP, but going to 640x400 is 4x the resolution.
Unless HTC improves the 3d/video drivers, the TP2 is going to be as bad or worse than the TP because it is the same stinking hardware. I was so disappointed that the TP2 is just a rehashed TP which really has no better hardware than the Touch--just better screens w/o the greater horsepower to drive them.
I hope I am wrong about this and the TP2 video and graphics are awesome, but I certainly will not upgrade to it until I am certain the situation is improved.
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wow then check this out u might be able to get alot more out of your touch pro but I am not sure because I have a kaiser
http://www.fuzemobility.com/the-new-3d-drivers-are-here-with-video/
Link278 said:
wow then check this out u might be able to get alot more out of your touch pro but I am not sure because I have a kaiser
http://www.fuzemobility.com/the-new-3d-drivers-are-here-with-video/
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Thanks for pointing that out. I am going to try them and they will probably help some, but I had already heard about it and for the most part they only address part of the problem.
If, and it's a BIG IF, HTC fully optimized ALL the drivers for the TP2, then it could be quite a bit better than the TP. Given HTC's crappy history I would have to have it thoroughly proven to me before I would believe it. However I am hoping against experience that it will be the case.
Maybe this is one of the big reasons why they stuck with much of the same hardware. So they could optimize everything. Hopefully.
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Maybe this is one of the big reasons why they stuck with much of the same hardware. So they could optimize everything. Hopefully.
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I really hope you're right because I never thought of that, but I heard the new touchflo is alot smoother
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I`m a Kaiser Owner, and looking at the Rhodium as a possible upgrade, but like many others here I`m sure, I`m concerned about iffy video performance. HTC really seem to have dropped the ball on this one, my experiences of the Kaisers video have made me wary.
Anyone heard any feedback on this topic? Anyone with a pre-production model give us a heads up?
For example, could the Rhodium play a 640*480 WMV video without dropping frames?
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Hello, I would have to say that the video quality is 100% better than the TP. I have been watching full videos with NO quality loss in sound or video. I was using the Sprint Touch Pro and was not very happy, but the TP2 is perfect. I can even get 2 full movies out of one charge!!! I have been watching a lot of DivX movies the same ones I watch on my PC, with no issues (well, except each one takes up about 700MB.)
The set up I have been using is, CorePlaer and the D3D Driver. DivX player works well also, but the text gets very small due to the resolution. Hope this helps!
Core player
Video quality is great with core player. Watched 2 movies on my TP2 today and it was very good with great frame rate. And I could use higher res mp4 movies if i wanted to and still keep 100% playback so i havent even pushed it yet. Totally recommended.
I can play a 800x480 AVC encoded movie with aac+ audio at ~1.2Mbit without any hiccups through HTC's video player. Coreplayer on the otherhand can't come anywhere near handling this. Looks damn good too! I used MEGUI with AVC Zune settings to make the video from a bluray movie. It's about 1GB in size.
curious
Just curious why the video player thats built in will play only some of my mp4 files? Thats one of the reasons why I went with coreplayer was because most of my mp4 movies would play a green screen with audio on the built in player and wmp.
Anyone know if TP2 has the same qtv video hardware acceleration?
I'm surprised nobody has posted anything about qtv.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=57282
I have a TP and mp4 video plays flawlessly through HTC album because it has the proper qtv drivers. My problem has been with playing divx in coreplayer with the reverse engineered qtv driver. I was hoping that HTC would drop qtv in the TP2 so that I could play divx in a player with proper video drivers. Does anyone know if HTC still uses qtv in the TP2?
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Just curious why the video player thats built in will play only some of my mp4 files? Thats one of the reasons why I went with coreplayer was because most of my mp4 movies would play a green screen with audio on the built in player and wmp.
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MP4 is a file format that supports a few different video codec. Mostly like the green screen means the video codec isn't supported by the player. I would highly recommend these days to encode the video with H.264 as the video codec. This codec is the standard supported by all major companies these days, Apple, Adobe, MS, etc. Some video cameras like the Sanyo Xacti also captures video natively as MP4 (H.264) so there is no need to encode the video.
And TP2 plays MP4 (H.264) video well both in HTC Album and WMP.
The video quality is not very good. I was under the impression (from reviews) before I bought my Desire that it would record at close to 30 frames per second (fps), but I'm only getting frame rates of 13 - 16fps which is brutal. My nokia used to record at 28 - 30fps.
Was I wrong to think the Desire would do 30fps? I know the HD recording was not coming etc, but I thought 30fps was standard.
brutal.
It is standard alright. My Nokia N95 8GB from 3 years ago took much smoother videos @30FPS. Hell, even an LG Viewty from 3 years ago can record at 120FPS and that's not even a smartphone.
We're getting 720P recording so i'm assuming they will fix the FPS issue aswell with the video recording. If they don't then I can only imagine how slow 720P recording will be.
I've noticed the same thing and am quite annoyed about it. I've realised through testing that the brighter it is, the higher the fps is. I got it up to 20fps today outside but indoors its more like 10fps even when using lower resolutions. Maybe the reviewers should have tested this rather than just quoting the specs.
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We're getting 720P recording
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what do u mean by this? is it sure that the desire will be able to record videos at 720p?
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what do u mean by this? is it sure that the desire will be able to record videos at 720p?
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The Snapdragon CPU supports 720P encoding and decoding hat and apparently HTC confirmed that DivX and 720P recording will be coming to the Desire in an update.
Let's hope they keep their word.
Yeah I agree, the reviewers should have done their homework instead of 'guessing' the stats. I guess they thought it impossible that the Desire could have anything less than 30fps. The Nexus one is listed as 20fps minimum rate. Is it really faster than Desire?
GSM arena who are normally very reliable had 30fps as the Desire recording rate until recently. now its 15fps on their Desire stats page.
I would not even be bothered if HTC don't bring in HD video recording, once they at least bring 30fps at 800x480. I mean its a 1ghz phone with plenty of RAM, this should be a piece of pie for it to handle. My nokia had a 300mhz chip and 128mb of RAM and did it no problem. (640x480 @ 30fps)
Well personall I think the video recording is pretty good. Its definately better than my old Xperia X1.
10 - 15fps is 'passable' but not very good in real world terms. Certainly not on a cutting edge 1ghz phone thats capable (hardware wise) of recording 720p at 30fps. I used to get 30fps video from my old N82 and its more fluid than on the Desire. As I say, its passable on Desire, but I think 30fps is pretty much the accepted minimum for the past while. Lets hope it comes in an update.
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Let's hope they keep their word.
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Well, hope dies last. HTC and their word... Have a look at Hero topic, and search for the so called 2.1 update for Hero. Shame on HTC!
Sorry for the offtopc.
Hero update is near, as a matter of fact (tweet this week from HTC Benelux director).
I think this is a software limitation slowing the exposure on low light to brighten the image. it'd be nice to be able to adjust this feature though.
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well personall i think the video recording is pretty good. Its definately better than my old xperia x1.
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can u upload on youtube any samples as i am thinking of updating to desire from x1 as well in a week's time
there are alot of Desire made videos on youtube already. just do a search. They look 'ok', some of them, but the original files are still only about 16 - 18 fps at best! 30fps nakes the video seem more fluid. You'd really need to compare side by side to see the difference I mean. (I attached 30fps nokia clip at bottom. WOW for the difference. very obvious)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dnxcfjq3QvE (desire at 15fps)
and another
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnRpOSP0U-o (desire at 15fps)
and now compare to the lower res 640x480 Nokia but filmed at almost double frame rate of 30fps. Very fluid and sharp.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojt5LS4LFZc (Nokia X6 at 30fps)
I think alot of people will be impressed and happy enough with this level of video recording. I was just irked as I expected 30fps and thought that was pretty much the minimum on new phones now.
thx . i think the vid qlty is gud on desire .... hmmmm .... better than x1 anywayz by the looks of it
My N95 8GB outperforms the Desire in video recording. What's the point in a high res video camera if it records at 15fps?
I get 12fps indoors... haven't seen higher in over 50 recordings. Colour reproduction is also off. N95 sure does beat the pants off it in this area.
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How do you tell what frames per second you're getting? Can't seem to find anything in the phone that will tell me.
Well now there is root acces. So this means we can put custom roms on our decvice and/or we can adjust the build.prop so we can also adjust the camera settings...
Personally I think there is no need to worry. Just have patience
Cheers Bart. Patience it is.
Meson1 I use a codec analyser like 'gspot' to look at the details and properties of the video files. If you use Windows 7 you can also just click on the file in explorer and it displays the frame rate and associated details at the bottom of screen.
Its easier to just long press the video and select details to see the frame rate and other info.
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What do you think, is HTC going to give us some of that HD recording goodness? If they don't sure enough someone here is going to figure a way to port it
2.2 will bring HD
Froyo HD lol
720 should be implimented, it will definately boost sales with a feature like that in a camera phone
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What do you think, is HTC going to give us some of that HD recording goodness? If they don't sure enough someone here is going to figure a way to port it
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we already know the desire is capible of 720p video recording, once we get our new radio with froyo is shud be pretty simple
I saw the news in http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/droid-incredible-ota-update-said-to-be-bringing-mobile-hotspot/ and really got exited that there is a good chance that we gonna see 720p video recording on our desires.
btw I saw a difference between Desire's and Incredible's camera - the later has a 8 megapixels camera. I know this won't stop htc to put hd video recording in desire, but it is a reason not to. Let's hope not.
HD is useless unless FPS can stay at 25+ ALL THE TIME regardless of light conditions.
Audio quality should be vastly improved, ditch the 2005-ish AMR-codec...
Bitrate for video should at least be doubled to get rid of blocking...
the 5 Mgb camera is 720P capable ...
When a Device doesn't record @ 720 it's because of it's CPU , and since the snapdragon is capable of that , then WE would get it via update...
( as the nexus one did )
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I saw the news in http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/02/droid-incredible-ota-update-said-to-be-bringing-mobile-hotspot/ and really got exited that there is a good chance that we gonna see 720p video recording on our desires.
btw I saw a difference between Desire's and Incredible's camera - the later has a 8 megapixels camera. I know this won't stop htc to put hd video recording in desire, but it is a reason not to. Let's hope not.
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Devs have already got 720p video recording working one the nexus one with froyo and we have exactly the same camera as them
720p is just a number, I'd prefer 480p with higher quality...
Hd videos from nexus one doesn't look so stunning, the camera sensor just sucks... and I think it's the same as on our Desire.
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720p is just a number, I'd prefer 480p with higher quality...
Hd videos from nexus one doesn't look so stunning, the camera sensor just sucks... and I think it's the same as on our Desire.
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for starters 420p dosent qualify as hi def and 2nd its more than just a number it denotes the amount of pixels 720p = 1280x720 witch is obviously a much higher quality/resolution than 420p (704x480) so wtf lol
AndroHero said:
for starters 420p dosent qualify as hi def and 2nd its more than just a number it denotes the amount of pixels 720p = 1280x720 witch is obviously a much higher quality/resolution than 420p (704x480) so wtf lol
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let me try and put it a bit different,
me, and the op, would rather have GOOD SD quality than crappy HD, people tend to asume that HD is all about the resolution, it's not, it's a lot more about bit rate.
say you have [email protected] and [email protected], witch one is going to look better? 480p, why? cos you are using 8mbit to store less pixel so less compression, to call something HD in my book you need 1080/720p, and at least 12 mbit for 720p, and 18 Mbit for 1080p
Hm idont quiet agree with you.
HD IS (not ALL!) about resolution. Thats why today everything with HD sells. People see HD, and think its great. But as you said its more about the image quality itself.
But its not a very fair comparison between 480 and 720p you made. SUre 480 looks better, but on a smaller screen (with native res.) but if you have a bigger screen, 480p has to bee scaled up, or stretched and then it looks maybe identical or even worse to the 720p Video.
Not to say that i would appreciate the innovation that the Desire gets 720p recording at a very usable bitrate :/
I hope you get my point, since im german and caged in foreign language
/Dev
devvi said:
Hm idont quiet agree with you.
HD IS (not ALL!) about resolution. Thats why today everything with HD sells. People see HD, and think its great. But as you said its more about the image quality itself.
But its not a very fair comparison between 480 and 720p you made. SUre 480 looks better, but on a smaller screen (with native res.) but if you have a bigger screen, 480p has to bee scaled up, or stretched and then it looks maybe identical or even worse to the 720p Video.
Not to say that i would appreciate the innovation that the Desire gets 720p recording at a very usable bitrate :/
I hope you get my point, since im german and caged in foreign language
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exactly and 480p is a lower res than the native res on our device lol
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let me try and put it a bit different,
me, and the op, would rather have GOOD SD quality than crappy HD, people tend to asume that HD is all about the resolution, it's not, it's a lot more about bit rate.
say you have [email protected] and [email protected], witch one is going to look better? 480p, why? cos you are using 8mbit to store less pixel so less compression, to call something HD in my book you need 1080/720p, and at least 12 mbit for 720p, and 18 Mbit for 1080p
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Agreed. I'm also concerned about the amount of FPS we could get .. anything below 20-25 and HD is useless me thinks ..
[email protected]@10mbit would be fine by me if h.264 was used, but h264 on the fly is a bit too much for snapdragon, so h.263 and a bit rate of say 12 mbit would be ok... but then you would need a very good sd card... about scaling you will almost never get 1:1 pixel mapping... tv's tend to have 1368x768 or 1920x1080, pc monitors are also over 720p.
its not a video recorded it's a phone, and if it gets a half decent support for video we should be happy but i don't expect anything from that,
i like big sensors, a 5 mpx dslr is 10 times better than a 15 mpx point and shoot camera, why? sensor size. phones are just too small to be good
http://www.androidcentral.com/could-be-froyo-android-22-version-htc-sense
Some "evidence" of the coming 720p... (and sense plus froyo)
just check out
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=684518&page=2
its a mod here that has it
Sorry for the noob question but I'm coming to the evo late on the game...
I read in a thread about longer life batteriesthat I should really watch avatar in 720p...so I went looking for it and it's 8gb! Can the phone really play a video at 1280x720p when the screen resolution is much lower than that?
Is there a lower file size that will allow me to enjoy the best this screen can do?
Thanks!
Swyped from an HTC Evo on MetroPCS...
Give it a shot, let us know.
Really, it's a bit silly to watch a 720p video file on a 4 inch screen. Videos with lower resolutions look just fine, and are far smaller file sizes (720*480, about 700-800 megs for a movie of average length).
I downloaded a 1080p trailer for avatar in h.264 mp4 and the phone couldn't process it...it was lagging horribly and I'm running at 1150mhz...
And a 720p trailer in quick time .mov...also lagged a little.
I guess I'm going to stick to my standard def files...
Swyped from an HTC Evo on MetroPCS...
So just browsing along I stumbled on this video review of the camera app. I knew our DINC's had problems with video, but WOW, is it really this bad?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzglMIwpYo4
I'm sure there has to be a developer that can maybe come out with a fix for this
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So just browsing along I stumbled on this video review of the camera app. I knew our DINC's had problems with video, but WOW, is it really this bad?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzglMIwpYo4
I'm sure there has to be a developer that can maybe come out with a fix for this
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i'm not sure what a dev could do to fix this. it seems that the issues with the pixel density and audio aren't something that could be overcome with patching a file from another OS or even an app...
my advice is this:
if you want a better video experience, buy a dedicated video camera or a dedicated camera with video functions. as a phone, it's a balancing act. you're not gonna get the best of ALL worlds, but including hardware and features for things like recording video in 720p is pretty handy and convenient when you're caught without a dedicated camera or video device. i wouldn't rely 100% on my phone as my primary device for anything except phone calls. but to each their own
That video showed me at least one new thing: I didn't realize that with 2.2 and 720p recording, H.264 isn't available. With H.264 selected, the highest available resolution drops to WVGA (800x480). Only H.263 and MPEG4 are available in 720p. Does anyone know if this is true on other Froyo devices, like the Nexus One? Or did something get changed when 2.2 went through HTC?
Perhaps the OP is right, I think that with a software update of some kind, H.264 for 720p could be enabled on the Droid Incredible, as well as higher bitrate audio. The OP's video suggests those two things to be major reasons as to why the camcorder quality is so different. Anyone know if Cyanogen is working on 720p H.264 as well as his continuous autofocus awesomeness?
Of course the actual optics are a bit different between the two devices as well, but I'd like to think the Droid Incredible has a better camera than those camera tests seem to show.
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That video showed me at least one new thing: I didn't realize that with 2.2 and 720p recording, H.264 isn't available. With H.264 selected, the highest available resolution drops to WVGA (800x480). Only H.263 and MPEG4 are available in 720p. Does anyone know if this is true on other Froyo devices, like the Nexus One? Or did something get changed when 2.2 went through HTC?
Perhaps the OP is right, I think that with a software update of some kind, H.264 for 720p could be enabled on the Droid Incredible, as well as higher bitrate audio. The OP's video suggests those two things to be major reasons as to why the camcorder quality is so different. Anyone know if Cyanogen is working on 720p H.264 as well as his continuous autofocus awesomeness?
Of course the actual optics are a bit different between the two devices as well, but I'd like to think the Droid Incredible has a better camera than those camera tests seem to show.
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i'll ask my friends with other devices that are capable of 720p and see what they say, will post findings
EDIT: samsung captivate doesn't have encoding settings. we didn't record a video to see what it saved it as, either. but there is no option in the settings to change encoding, only resolution.
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That video showed me at least one new thing: I didn't realize that with 2.2 and 720p recording, H.264 isn't available. With H.264 selected, the highest available resolution drops to WVGA (800x480). Only H.263 and MPEG4 are available in 720p. Does anyone know if this is true on other Froyo devices, like the Nexus One? Or did something get changed when 2.2 went through HTC?
Perhaps the OP is right, I think that with a software update of some kind, H.264 for 720p could be enabled on the Droid Incredible, as well as higher bitrate audio. The OP's video suggests those two things to be major reasons as to why the camcorder quality is so different. Anyone know if Cyanogen is working on 720p H.264 as well as his continuous autofocus awesomeness?
Of course the actual optics are a bit different between the two devices as well, but I'd like to think the Droid Incredible has a better camera than those camera tests seem to show.
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I have been thinking the same thing. I even posted about changing the codec but no one responded.
I was reading on the evo forum about the camera software and several posters suspected that the compression is what is making the video not as good as it could be. They also had the same thought about enabling h.264.
I would definitively pay for these features.
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You bought a cell phone? What do you expect? ITS NOT GONNA HAVE AN AWESOME CAMERA/CAMCORDER BUILT IN!!!!!! Get over it... If you want high quality then buy a standalone camcorder. Phones weren't made to take great videos. They are more for like a quick need thing. Maybe you see some cops doing something underhanded, see some kind of crime in progress, stupid things that happen at a party that you feel are important, etc.
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You bought a cell phone? What do you expect? ITS NOT GONNA HAVE AN AWESOME CAMERA/CAMCORDER BUILT IN!!!!!! Get over it... If you want high quality then buy a standalone camcorder. Phones weren't made to take great videos. They are more for like a quick need thing. Maybe you see some cops doing something underhanded, see some kind of crime in progress, stupid things that happen at a party that you feel are important, etc.
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yeah pretty much what i was going to say
I thought XDA was about getting the most out of your device through tips, tricks, tweaks and hacks, and that it's been that way for some time. Maybe I'm mistaken.
I think trying to squeeze the best performance out of your device's camera is perfectly legit, OP.
Am I wrong?
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Anyway, that's weird and seems pretty pitiful that the Captivate won't even let you change the codec setting at all. Better for user experience I suppose, not to have to mess with codecs to try to get the best picture. I'm curious what codec it defaults to. I wonder what a comparison between the Captivate and Incredible camcorder would look like.
The camera indeed has some problem on the Incredible. My incredible will flicker in low light condition even in camera mode. I had to return and exchange one, but the problem is still there just less severe.
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You bought a cell phone? What do you expect? ITS NOT GONNA HAVE AN AWESOME CAMERA/CAMCORDER BUILT IN!!!!!! Get over it... If you want high quality then buy a standalone camcorder. Phones weren't made to take great videos. They are more for like a quick need thing. Maybe you see some cops doing something underhanded, see some kind of crime in progress, stupid things that happen at a party that you feel are important, etc.
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With the power this phone possesses, the video sucks. I would not only expect it to be better, but use the latest codecs and not amr audio and save files in .3gp! What good is high def video if I can't play it on my Xbox or PS3, or other media boxes?. That's a joke. I think as long as the iPhone can do it, maybe Droid should.
I didn't buy a cell phone. I bought a multi-hundred dollar smartphone with an 8mp camera that BOASTS 720p video. If I bought a RAZR I would accept it.
I found your post rude and unhelpful.