Ok, this camera states its 3.2 megapixels. But the picture quality is worse than the one from my old phone which had only 2 megapixels. Do I need to change the settings or anything?
Megapixels have nothing to do with quality, only size. Make sure you have the largest resolution picked and that it is set to SuperFine. Still, the camera on the TP2 is only so-so.
Wow thats stupid. I don't like the camera at all.
Picture quality also depends on the camera lenses used. HTC doesn't really use great lenses.
Sony Ericsson (I had the SE C702 CyberShot phone before) uses very-high-quality camera lenses, and the pictures it produced were great!
Miami_Son said:
Megapixels have nothing to do with quality, only size. Make sure you have the largest resolution picked and that it is set to SuperFine. Still, the camera on the TP2 is only so-so.
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Well, if you have a 8MP camera vs. a 3.2MP camera taking the same exact photo, and you were to print a 3x5" photo from each, the 8MP should still give you better quality than the 3.2MP. The 8MP camera is able to produce 8 mil. pixels whereas the 3.2MP camera can only produce 3.2 mil. pixels. If you were to print the 3x5" photo, the more pixels, the clearer the image.
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Well, if you have a 8MP camera vs. a 3.2MP camera taking the same exact photo, and you were to print a 3x5" photo from each, the 8MP should still give you better quality than the 3.2MP. The 8MP camera is able to produce 8 mil. pixels whereas the 3.2MP camera can only produce 3.2 mil. pixels. If you were to print the 3x5" photo, the more pixels, the clearer the image.
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Again, that's not a quality issue, per se. Anytime you increase the size of a photo without increasing the number of pixels used to display it, the pic will suffer because things like compression artifacts and aliasing will be more pronounced and visible. Not that these things aren't present in both the 3mp and the 8mp images, they will just be more noticeable in the 3mp image that is displayed at the same size as the 8mp image. That's the real value of more megapixels, the ability to increase print or display size without the ill effects. But that has little to do with quality.
I've been a pro photog for the past 18 years and shooting digitally for magazines since 1997. I started with a sub-1mp camera back then and the quality was fine, but the low pixel count limited our ability to use digital pics for more than just 1/4 page shots or smaller. By the time we got to 4mp cameras we were using them for full page spreads without issue. An 8mp camera can now yield a decent two-page spread. Still, the quality of pics hasn't been increased with more megapixels, only our ability to display them at larger print sizes.
It's easy to confuse megapixels with quality and manufacturers share much of the blame for convincing consumers that more mp=better quality with their sales shtick, but when you understand that quality is not necessarily tied to size, you realize that application is the main factor. For instance a 2mp camera can shoot very high quality 4X6 photos, but blowing those same pics up to 8X10 will reveal the weakness in megapixels, not quality. At the optimum size for a particular mp format, more mp does not yield higher quality, only higher storage and processing needs. It will give you more flexibility in cropping if your skills with the camera are lacking, and more format choices when printing, but not higher quality.
So how would I get the best quality out of my camera?
Have you installed the cab that gives you more camera settings? It gives you a SuperFine setting unavailable on the stock setup. Do a search for it. Also, make sure the lens is clean. Handling the phone often causes fingerprints and smudges on the lens that reduce photo quality.
Thank you so much, do you have a link or know the name of it?
The one I found is ExtraCameraModes.cab.
Here ya go.
Ok, it didn't change anything haha. But thanks anyways
I thought it comes with Super Fine by default. Anyway, I've always had to play around with the light settings the get the color I wanted. I set the ISO at 200. And lighting also takes a toll on the quality of the picture.
Anyway, the camera sucks. i wish they had a button to turn off auto focusing when i need to take quick shots lol
Cameras on cell phones are more of a convenience than a sophisticated capture device. While some actually take fairly good photos, I wouldn't expect too much from any of them. They certainly aren't designed to replace a good point-and-shoot.
OK, well thanks for the help everyone!
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is there any way to tweak the photo quality? i think there is too much compression by default. i take photos using 6mp widescreen mode.
Yeah it's a known problem, i made a test i took the same picture with 6M on, and another with 2M, the quality is almost the same. Hope they will fix the problem with the update soon
if i don't root, are there any marketplace cameras (free or paid) that will let me take pictures and I can set the jpeg compression level?
Even if it's rooted, I haven't come across a method/app where you could change the compression ratio. I hope I was wrong.
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Also looking for a way to take better advantage of the camera on this phone. the quality is terrible due to compress
Any Update to this?
Really annoying bug.
I don't sure that the real problem is jpeg compression, it's too high but in macro shots the image are very detailed and beautiful at 100% crop. In the photos taken with infinite focus (landascape for example) they are very orrible at 100% crop. Is possible that the problem is the too long esposure time?
I compared the exposure time of the arc's and a digital camera's photos. Taken the same object with the same conditions etc, the exposure time of the camera's photos are much lower than arc's photos.
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I compared the exposure time of the arc's and a digital camera's photos. Taken the same object with the same conditions etc, the exposure time of the camera's photos are much lower than arc's photos.
What do you think about?
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In any phone camera you have a much smaller lens aperture and a smaller sensor size than in even the cheapest and nastiest of dedicated digital cameras.
Thus to get the same image brightness in the same conditions you will either have to amplify the signal (which will increase noise) or have a longer exposure time. Ye cannae break the laws of physics, captain.
Having said that, i couldn't say whether the long exposure time is the cause of the issue or not.
As far as I read, Camera Advance (https://market.android.com/details?id=com.mnapps.cameraadvance&feature=search_result) is able to control compression. JPGs on the Neo are now more than twice as big and don't suffer as badly from compression.
Haven't checked the compression, but I do have raw picture and video samples from the latest 4.0.A.2.368 build.
Alright so, here's the deal. Being a photographer, and hearing a lot of you complain about 5mp vs 8mp, you don't know what the hell your talking about.
There is a difference between Image Quality, and resolution. For those of you complaining, do you even know the difference? If you don't then listen up.
Image Quality is self explained. It means just that, the quality of the image. Sensor size has NOTHING to do with quality. Lenses have a lot to do with quality. Also, matching lens size with sensor size will give you better quality. Quality Sensors are everything when it comes to Image Quality.... Imagine that.
But just because you stick a 8mp Sensor in your cell phone with a tiny ass lens, doesn't mean my 5mp DSLR wont stomp your phone in Image quality.
So exactly what does MegaPixels do for you? I'll tell you. It's about print size. That's IT!! At 300ppi, and using a 5MP sensor, you can print up a nice 6"x9" photo of your little kids at the zoo sucking on icecream. Or with your fancy 8mp Cell Phone you can print up a HUGE 8"x11" photo of the same little kids at the zoo sucking on icecream. (not a big difference is there?)
So unless your wanting to print up pictures in 8x11, rather than 6x9, don't worry about it. Here, incase you wanna see it for yourself. http://www.design215.com/toolbox/megapixels.php
If you wanna post your kids sucking on icecream at the zoo to facebook, either camera will work fine, but I betcha the 5mp camera on the Gnex will have better image quality.
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Alright so, here's the deal. Being a photographer, and hearing a lot of you complain about 5mp vs 8mp, you don't know what the hell your talking about.
There is a difference between Image Quality, and resolution. For those of you complaining, do you even know the difference? If you don't then listen up.
Image Quality is self explained. It means just that, the quality of the image. Sensor size has NOTHING to do with quality. Lenses have a lot to do with quality. Also, matching lens size with sensor size will give you better quality. Quality Sensors are everything when it comes to Image Quality.... Imagine that.
But just because you stick a 8mp Sensor in your cell phone with a tiny ass lens, doesn't mean my 5mp DSLR wont stomp your phone in Image quality.
So exactly what does MegaPixels do for you? I'll tell you. It's about print size. That's IT!! At 300ppi, and using a 5MP sensor, you can print up a nice 6"x9" photo of your little kids at the zoo sucking on icecream. Or with your fancy 8mp Cell Phone you can print up a HUGE 8"x11" photo of the same little kids at the zoo sucking on icecream. (not a big difference is there?)
So unless your wanting to print up pictures in 8x11, rather than 6x9, don't worry about it. Here, incase you wanna see it for yourself. http://www.design215.com/toolbox/megapixels.php
If you wanna post your kids sucking on icecream at the zoo to facebook, either camera will work fine, but I betcha the 5mp camera on the Gnex will have better image quality.
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Thumbs up for you, buddy. You see, everyone wants to get photobombed every time they take a photo with their kids at the zoo sucking on ice cream. Seems legit.
Yes, 5mp vs 8mp argument is for idiots. Its all about the sensor and lens quality. Moreover, same size 5mp sensor and 8 mp sensor with same lens, 5mp images will be better and higher quality.
Yup, now lets hope that the sensor is good in Nexus.
More flexibility when cropping is another benefit of higher resolution.
We need an objective thorough review of the phone's camera before making any conclusions much like the op said. Megapixels doesn't mean quality.
Let's wait until the formal release before casting judgement.
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Yup, now lets hope that the sensor is good in Nexus.
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Yup! Exactly.
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Sensor size has NOTHING to do with quality
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Being an amateur photographer myself I completely agree that the pixel count is completely, COMPLETELY irrelevant when it comes down to phone cameras. Where I disagree with your original post is the sentence above. Sensor size has absolutely everything to do with image quality (ie. Full Frame > DX > Micro 4/3rds > Compact > Phone). Fact is you are not going to get a large sensor built into a camera and cramming that sensor with as many light grabbing sensors as possible often leads to noisier, grainier images. This is where sometimes smaller = better.
Please sticky this. I'm tired of hearing people complain about this
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More flexibility when cropping is another benefit of higher resolution.
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Sorry, didn't mention that, but yes, totally.
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Sensor size is a misnomer in this case, I believe the sensor is the same 1/32inch size. In which case, each of those pixels is actually larger. Which means that each individual pixel receives MORE light. Which enhances low-light performance. This same phenomenon is seen when you compare Canon's 5D and 7D cameras. The 7D is 18mp, while the 5D is 21mp, but the 5D's sensor is 1.6 times larger (full 35 vs APS-C) This means that the 5D ends up with superior low light performance, despite not having the full 1.6 times greater pixel count that one might expect.
Admittedly, there are other differences that effect this, such as sensor back-lighting, the quality of the amplifiers, and the compression of the image data. As well, the technology powering the actual sensor, CCD or CMOS, as well as the more in depth tech that goes on at the design level. The 18mp, APS-C sensor from Sony that Nikon uses on it's cameras does not perform the same as the 18mp, APS-C sensor that Canon uses in it's 7D.
...So there it is, if you don't know sensor tech, here is a little explanation from someone who does...
another point is the 5mp = smaller file size = less write time = less lag time = zero shutter speed.
The best daylight photos I have ever had is from my SE k750i. Well old and only 2.5 Mps as I recall
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another point is the 5mp = smaller file size = less write time = less lag time = zero shutter speed.
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I also approve of this post.
In my oppinion, people think smartphones (high-end) should have 8mp at least, because in earlier times, the megapixels were a "real" indicator of the fact, how new and good a mobile phone is, i think.
and of course brands like SE or LG made a real big deal about mp. and its clear, consumers said then: "wow, this new mobile has 8 mp, so its better than the one with 5mp."
but i think today, you cant tell how good a phone is by just looking at the mp. and i also suppose that development in cameras today is more about image quality and no more about mp.
the only issue is that people dont realize that, unfortunately...
Actually Canon also went the other way with some better cameras. They reduced MP size and increased sensor size to improve image quality.....outcome was the best compact Canon camera....
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Please sticky this. I'm tired of hearing people complain about this
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We DO have the right to complaint, ain't ??
And in my personal case, here's why:
- I use 8 Mpix in wider mode (which in the end equals aprox 6 MPix)
- Instead of using the digital zoom, I frequently prefer to crop my 8 MPix pics
So this phone is not for me, which is a tad sad because I really wanted to have a taste of pure ice cream sandwich experience
PS: I love your sig, Dawkins rulez
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We DO have the right to complaint, ain't ??
And in my personal case, here's why:
- I use 8 Mpix in wider mode (which in the end equals aprox 6 MPix)
- Instead of using the digital zoom, I frequently prefer to crop my 8 MPix pics
So this phone is not for me, which is a tad sad because I really wanted to have a taste of pure ice cream sandwich experience
PS: I love your sig, Dawkins rulez
"Science is the Poetry of Reality"
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I just found with my Sensation that there isn't much of a difference. The pictures seemed like they were just blown up copies from my G2 with no quality enhancements. Then again, this is HTC. Their speakers and cameras aren't very good.
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the megapixels argument is just a who's got the bigger d*** game.
It means nothing in the long run and in fact, more pixels packed into the same sensor makes the image WORSE!!! and creates more noise.
gtrab said:
We DO have the right to complaint, ain't ??
And in my personal case, here's why:
- I use 8 Mpix in wider mode (which in the end equals aprox 6 MPix)
- Instead of using the digital zoom, I frequently prefer to crop my 8 MPix pics
So this phone is not for me, which is a tad sad because I really wanted to have a taste of pure ice cream sandwich experience
PS: I love your sig, Dawkins rulez
"Science is the Poetry of Reality"
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Just my opinion, but if you have time to crop images "and do it right" why not sharpen it, and photoshop it and enhance it too? That way you won't need an 8mp sensor. Heck, if you have all that time, just use a real camera.
The whole point of these cell phone cameras is it take a quick pic and share to Grandma and what not. I don't think shes gonna care if its cropped or not. If you need professional pictures I don't recommend a cell phone to take them
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I read in several reviews that the camera quality isn't as good as expected/thought. Is this pure hardware related? Or is it possible that the photo quality can be improved by software updates?
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I read in several reviews that the camera quality isn't as good as expected/thought. Is this pure hardware related? Or is it possible that the photo quality can be improved by software updates?
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The photos I have been taking have been miles better than my Atrix, Craptivate, or N1 could have. I think a BIG part of the issue is that many users are not comfortable with the instant shutter yet, and are used to the old smartphone camera game of anticipating your shots by pressing the shutter button a second earlier and then settling in for the shot so the timing is right. That is not necessary with this camera, so the image will snap when they are "settling in" or moving to follow the subject and will be blurry. Also, just remember to tap the subject in the screen to focus before you snap the pic. I have noticed much better low-light pics than any of my old devices...
As to the much beleaguered argument over 8MP vs. the ("only") 5MP of the GN's camera, that refers to image capture size, meaning that the 8MP image will be able to be cropped better than the 5MP one- that's it. So if you frame your photo's correctly (how you mean the image to look), it is a non-issue because there is no need to crop (IMO).
Thanks! But, do you think a ROM update can improve photo quality? Or is that impossible?
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Thanks! But, do you think a ROM update can improve photo quality? Or is that impossible?
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Not impossible, but any optimizations would be software only, so things like shutter lag, UI of the camera, and filters, etc.
I actually did a blog post on the camera quality. It wasn't scientific in any way, but I came to my own conclusion that any quality issues may be down to agressive ISO and / or JPG Compression and / or Noise reduction.
All of those are fixable in software - but make your own mind up: http://www.thegreenrobotblog.co.uk/2011/11/samsung-galaxy-nexus-camera-sample.html
Hi guys I just want to share with all of you a new app for all lg v10 phones It take photos with a resolution of 63.5MP on our V10 i saw this thread on nexus 5x and tried on my v10 and it works flawlessly I'm not part of the development of the app . It's on the Play Store here https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.anforapps.camerasuperpixel
good one to share , thank you
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good one to share , thank you
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Your welcome mate
Tested camera Super Pixel, quite impressive, 43.3 MB, couldnt attach, too large, had to upload to OneDrive :good:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=1ADC5303B8000E17!167484&authkey=!AB8IRnFt2qnChbQ&v=3&ithint=photo%2cjpg
Photo by LG camera attached :good:
Not much different, doesnt have manual setting, take up too much space
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Hi guys I just want to share with all of you a new app for all lg v10 phones It take photos with a resolution of 63.5MP on our V10 i saw this thread on nexus 5x and tried on my v10 and it works flawlessly I'm not part of the development of the app . It's on the Play Store here https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.anforapps.camerasuperpixel
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I appreciate you sharing this and all but...... The V10 camera is capable of producing a photo that is 5312 pixels x 2988 pixels, that has 16 million pixels in it. That is the maximum that the sensor is capable of producing. They are not ever REALLY going to be able to increase it 4x without physically changing the camera sensor. You can modify the dimensions of the image all you want, but the sensor just cant do any more than 16mp
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I appreciate you sharing this and all but...... The V10 camera is capable of producing a photo that is 5312 pixels x 2988 pixels, that has 16 million pixels in it. That is the maximum that the sensor is capable of producing. They are not ever REALLY going to be able to increase it 4x without physically changing the camera sensor. You can modify the dimensions of the image all you want, but the sensor just cant do any more than 16mp
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You cannot change the sensor size, but you can get different number of pixels with the same sensor size, you have 23 Mp phone cameras with same size sensor, or smaller, than others with 12 Mp, like the last Samsung and Huawei, etc...
Having said that, you dont get more info, just 4x more pixels extrapolated from the original. The photos do look sharper, as I confirmed with my tests, but when I resize them to same size, they look the same, and the files are so large they wont load to apps, or be resized like on facebook and look the same again
Bottom line, only worth if we want to make a large print or display in a large hi-rez screen
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You cannot change the sensor size, but you can get different number of pixels with the same sensor size, you have 23 Mp phone cameras with same size sensor, or smaller, than others with 12 Mp, like the last Samsung and Huawei, etc...
Having said that, you dont get more info, just 4x more pixels extrapolated from the original. The photos do look sharper, as I confirmed with my tests, but when I resize them to same size, they look the same, and the files are so large they wont load to apps, or be resized like on facebook and look the same again
Bottom line, only worth if we want to make a large print or display in a large hi-rez screen
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The point I was trying to make (although maybe not all that well), is that you CAN increase the size of the picture, you can make it 100000x160000 and have a picture at 16GP, but if the sensor is only capable of capturing 16MP, you're going to have a pixilated image. Even with some very fancy software work.
With the actual resolution the V10 is capable of taking photos, they can be printed out to large format or displayed on any large monitor without ANY issues at all. (I have a 12mp DSLR and have printed photos up to 4ft wide with EASE)
I guess I'm just calling BS on what is really being accomplished and the expectations that are being set that the app is going to "Get your 16mp camera shoot a 63mp photo"
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I appreciate you sharing this and all but...... The V10 camera is capable of producing a photo that is 5312 pixels x 2988 pixels, that has 16 million pixels in it. That is the maximum that the sensor is capable of producing. They are not ever REALLY going to be able to increase it 4x without physically changing the camera sensor. You can modify the dimensions of the image all you want, but the sensor just cant do any more than 16mp
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You are right. This superpixel camera gives a fake better image. I taken the same image in the same condition with the original V10 H961N camera and with the supercamera, analysed both in paintshop after magnifying and the details in supercamera are very dissapointing. Uninstalled without regrets.
My Sony NEX6 camera has a much larger sensor than the V10, but the same 16 Mp resolution...
I am not saying this app will have 4 times more detail, but dividing every pixel in 4 blended with the pixels around, if properly done, will increase sharpness, as I confirmed with my tests.
Having said that, I will not use it, not worth what we loose on features
The results are real, the app is using a well known photoshop technique but in-app.
Olympus is also using it to up their resolution on their e-m5mII camera.
more info:
http://petapixel.com/2015/02/21/a-practical-guide-to-creating-superresolution-photos-with-photoshop/
I recommend having a look at cortexcamera. It uses a similar "trick", but increases the size by only 50%. The result is a stunning 24 MP photo with almost no visible noise and lots of details with no adverse affects from noise reduction. There are a number of limitations though that are basically inherent in the technic. It's best used for rather static scenes and between shots the phone needs a couple of seconds to calculate the resulting image (combined from up to 100 single frames). That being said especially for night or landscape shots I find the results impressive.
Using the Super Resolution Method does not add any more details. Of course it is limited by the sensor. But by doing this, noise is greatly reduced and artifacts like Moire get removed since the program averages the images. This method is done by professional photographers if they want to enhance images when using a mid range shooter.
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kangi26 said:
The point I was trying to make (although maybe not all that well), is that you CAN increase the size of the picture, you can make it 100000x160000 and have a picture at 16GP, but if the sensor is only capable of capturing 16MP, you're going to have a pixilated image. Even with some very fancy software work.
With the actual resolution the V10 is capable of taking photos, they can be printed out to large format or displayed on any large monitor without ANY issues at all. (I have a 12mp DSLR and have printed photos up to 4ft wide with EASE)
I guess I'm just calling BS on what is really being accomplished and the expectations that are being set that the app is going to "Get your 16mp camera shoot a 63mp photo"
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There are certain benefits upon doing this 4x Spatial Reso Increase. The details don't bump up so much but noise gets significantly reduced and edges become much more detailed rather than edgy. Still its an improvement than nothing. Tho the hype should be re calibrated.
Nukhem said:
The results are real, the app is using a well known photoshop technique but in-app.
Olympus is also using it to up their resolution on their e-m5mII camera.
more info:
http://petapixel.com/2015/02/21/a-practical-guide-to-creating-superresolution-photos-with-photoshop/
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Exactly this. I was just about to mention the OM-D E-M5 MII. This camera has a 16MP sensor but has a 40MP high-res shooting mode which combines eight exposures into a single image which is how it can manage to get such a high pixel count out of a sensor that's only natively capable of 16MP. You and your subject would need to be completely still though as any movement can create blurs and jagged lines but the results are real, there is a noticeable difference if you look closely.
But that's if you look closely. Having a high pixel counts doesn't mean much unless you need extremely large prints and even then, have you guys seen the huge billboards from Apple saying that the picture was taken with an iPhone 6 or 6S? That's a 8MP and 12MP sensor respectively. Of course, they probably edited the pictures like there's no tomorrow but then if you were going for such huge prints, you probably wouldn't be printing directly from the in camera RAW or JPEG file.
As a hobbyist photographer, I would say learn the manual settings in the built-in camera app. It's more than enough to squeeze the best possible pictures you can get out of the V10's camera. Then go out and buy yourself a MILC or DSLR (but MILC is probably the smarter choice).
thanks for posting this app
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vip57 said:
Hi guys I just want to share with all of you a new app for all lg v10 phones It take photos with a resolution of 63.5MP on our V10 i saw this thread on nexus 5x and tried on my v10 and it works flawlessly I'm not part of the development of the app . It's on the Play Store here https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.anforapps.camerasuperpixel
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Don't lile it
Image processing is way better in stock lg cam app
Yeah pixel count does not matter much. 16mp is plenty for most pics. Unless the program managed to use the ois in here to emulate what the Olympus OMD EM5 Mark II does I dont see how it would get a actual useable larger pixel count without the possiblity of introducing digitial artifacts in the image. And even then unless you were shooting non moving subjects in a studio environment you would get that ghosting effect in the pics. Id rather just take regular shots in Raw and post process if I need to work the pics some more. On a side note, the 5 axis OIS on the Olympus is very Nice. I agree with a previous poster about learning what the manual controls do. Then get a nice camera if you are serious about taking better shots.
I cant seem to differentiate between 12mp and the 16mp other than the ratio size. I cannot notice any drop in the quality when viewing the pictures normally and zoomed in from my phone or maybe I think my eyesight is pretty bad . Can someone help me over here?:fingers-crossed:
Megapixels doesnt influence the picture quality of a camera, its sensor does. megapixels determine the size of your picture so for eg you can have a 50 megapixel camera but if the sensor is bad you wont get a good picture and vice versa, which is the reason that older dslr and point and shoot camera's still out perform many modern day phones because they had big sensors specially the dslrs. until and unless you are going to print posters and heavily zoom and crop a picture 12, 16 or 20 megapixel is more than enough.