Hello all this is my first post so don't burn me so fast ok. Well i got tired of doing YOUTUBE searches on the G2 and clicking this month in search option and still people are still making videos on Unboxing/Temp-Root. But to help some out with flashing issues or anything else I made this.So with that said I just wanted to brush up on a couple of things that are current and going on with the phone. And maybe it will help some people out. For those who already are ahead of the game I tip my hat to you Im not a pro but if I was saying anything wrong Im sure you won't wait to correct me. Hope you like. PS I have the up most respect for XDA and all developers and peoples personal opinions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfOxxntYTos
I honestly can't believe I sat and watched that. Haha. ah.
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I applaud for the time making this video however, REALLY? Information is knowledge and this video lacks information. Unprofessional and very amateur. In my opinion, this video was made just to get hits. Don't mean to burn so hard but let's at least have a script before shooting a video. Improv is not the best when you're lost for words. I would try again. It has potential. Get info, a script and a plan and you could have a very informative video on the "G2 baby"
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Here is my opinion. I understand that this site is for developers and those with some knowledge of android development. Well with the rise of android os in the marketplace there will be an increase of casual mobile phone users who wish to learn more about their phones. For those that have an intrest in rooting their device and flashing custom roms without even knowing what root is, this vid would be great. Xda app is now mainstream. So for those of u who feel superior because of your immense knowledge and hacking skills, just remember that there are those of us on this site that rely on you for our mods. Choppa will improve as he gains more knowledge on basic computing. He should be encouraged. and we need hackers with swagger. G2 all day erry day son. Yeaaaaaaah. Ya gots ta root it before ya boot it. Rooted booted and scoooted g2 baby. Yeaaaaaaaaah. More fiyaaaaaaaaaa.
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Not to be racist or anything but, are you a canadian?
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Wow the galaxy nexus has a forum already and I know it's a highly anticipated phone but come on, it's not even being sold yet.
The atrix 2 deserves it's own forum. It's really a great device, I know it's not an sgs2, or a nexus device.
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I agree with you!
I have to agree, we need a forum to call home so we can separate and figure out what is going on with this device other than hanging out in the OG Atrix forum and hoping people with the Atrix 2 know to go there and look at what is happening and searching blindly for posts that may or may not exist.
Did you guys vote in the thread for the Atrix 2 to get it's own forum?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1301121
Go vote! And tell all your friends to register and vote too
Already done that, the only problem with that is that the phones that get picked are the ones with the most votes and I don't think half the people that got this phone know how to even find this stuff or where to vote in the 1st place so it will take FOREVER to get a forum that way. Although at the moment looks like we are in second place. Even still I do feel that is an unfair way to be making forums because the sheer fact of the matter is fanboys/girls will ALWAYS vote a TON for their favorite devices especially the ones that know their way around this forum better than say the noobs that might be coming here for information on their new device.
Samsung Galaxy SL i9003 x 188
Motorola Atrix 2 x 85
You got my vote!
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I didn't see anything regarding not making an intro thread and I know in most forums its welcomed so I thought I would go ahead with it.
I am coming from AT&T with an iPhone 4S 64gb. I was finally fed up with AT&T's crap so I left them and came to Sprint last weekend.
Of course being in this forum it is assumed that I have an Epic 4G Touch which I do and so far I am really liking it over the iPhone. (if you had told me 6 months ago that I would be saying that I would have laughed, very hard!)
I even decided to check out Android Development for myself which is what actually brought me to XDA looking for some info to setup an AVD for our phone.
I have read lots of great things over the past few days and hope I can contribute more once I get more familiarized with the device and Android.
So here I am making this post rocking out to some Sneaker Pimps Pandora channel enjoying the new Droid life.
prasket said:
I didn't see anything regarding not making an intro thread and I know in most forums its welcomed so I thought I would go ahead with it.
I am coming from AT&T with an iPhone 4S 64gb. I was finally fed up with AT&T's crap so I left them and came to Sprint last weekend.
Of course being in this forum it is assumed that I have an Epic 4G Touch which I do and so far I am really liking it over the iPhone. (if you had told me 6 months ago that I would be saying that I would have laughed, very hard!)
I even decided to check out Android Development for myself which is what actually brought me to XDA looking for some info to setup an AVD for our phone.
I have read lots of great things over the past few days and hope I can contribute more once I get more familiarized with the device and Android.
So here I am making this post rocking out to some Sneaker Pimps Pandora channel enjoying the new Droid life.
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Welcome and hope you have a good time. There are some great people here and you got your phone at a perfect time. ICS development is on the move to due a recent leak.
Welcome.
What crap from AT&T were you fed up with? I just left Sprint and the E4GT for AT&T and the iPhone 4S lol. Was tired of Sprint's crap-ass data speeds in my area. I have a love/hate relationship with the iPhone, I really miss my E4GT.
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What crap from AT&T were you fed up with? I just left Sprint and the E4GT for AT&T and the iPhone 4S lol. Was tired of Sprint's crap-ass data speeds in my area. I have a love/hate relationship with the iPhone, I really miss my E4GT.
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I live in the Oklahoma City area and for over 3 weeks I was seeing 3G speeds of around 0.13 Mbps down on my iPhone 4s as well as my fiancee's on my plan. I was also seeing this on my 3G AT&T iPad 2, and others that had iPhones on AT&T. Every time I called they would tell me that it was because I am a high data user on an Grandfathered Unlimited plan and was limited because nothing in our area was going on. When I told them about other's issues they would respond with "Im sorry I cannot comment on others accounts or lines only this one" after enough of that I was fed up and left. Funny thing is last week I got a call from someone at AT&T checking on my service saying there was an issue locally after all. They just seem to have poor customer service in the past few years, I sure hope I am happier with Sprint. I was going to go with Verizon but the fully unlimited plans on Sprint along with 23% employer discount made me choose them.
Thanks to all the others for welcome's!
Welcome to all three!
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Welcome, hope you enjoy your new device and service!
Hey Prasket, thanks for introducing yourself man. Welcome to our community!
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What crap from AT&T were you fed up with? I just left Sprint and the E4GT for AT&T and the iPhone 4S lol. Was tired of Sprint's crap-ass data speeds in my area. I have a love/hate relationship with the iPhone, I really miss my E4GT.
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And still haunting the SPRINT/et4g forums. LMFAO youll be back sucker.
You know me bro couldn't resist.lol
To posh and proper over inthe IPhone forums fir ya..
Oh yeah hey all welcome to the family. Now lets all ply nice.
Welcome! This phone is amazing and there are some awesome developers here as well i would recomend keeping the phone stock for a while so you can see how it feels stock that way if you mod you will know the difference! I recomend the TMz Blend Rom for when your ready!
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The best analogy I give my friends coming from iphone is:
First week you'll hate Android.
Second week you'll be a bit confused, unsure.
Third week you can't go back... lol
For starters I would recommend SwiftKey X free trial (i purchased)
Go launcher themed
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welcome welcome...
Welcome. I love these type of threads. We need a sticky just for this. Seriously. You picked a great phone. Samsung are awesome. Almost impossible to truely brick. Now I did say almost. Great hardware. Decent software, Touchwiz is one of the less intrusive skins I have seen. And so far the community seems to be a really good community. So welcome. If you have any questions or concerns please ask away. Or PM me if there is anything I may be able to help ya with.
Welcome...
You may learn to hate Sprint but this is an amazing phone...
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Indrid Cole said:
And still haunting the SPRINT/et4g forums. LMFAO youll be back sucker.
You know me bro couldn't resist.lol
To posh and proper over inthe IPhone forums fir ya..
Oh yeah hey all welcome to the family. Now lets all ply nice.
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He can't get enough of it. Lol. Your right he will be back. The seperation anxiety is happening.
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Alex1x said:
The best analogy I give my friends coming from iphone is:
First week you'll hate Android.
Second week you'll be a bit confused, unsure.
Third week you can't go back... lol
For starters I would recommend SwiftKey X free trial (i purchased)
Go launcher themed
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My friend switched from the iPhone 4s to the Skyrocket. He liked it but I think he missed his iPhone too much! Switched back...
As for the new member... Welcome to Android, Sprint, and XDA
Welcome and hope you have a good time at xda...
Welcome to XDA, Feel free to PM with any questions. ill help you step by step with any troubles or questions u have
Thanks to everyone for the welcomes and advice. I have went ahead root, clockworked, and installed TNz Blend El29, as well as the SwiftKey X. Thank you a ton for those suggestions..
prasket said:
Thanks to everyone for the welcomes and advice. I have went ahead root, clockworked, and installed TNz Blend El29, as well as the SwiftKey X. Thank you a ton for those suggestions..
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Welcome and great start to hooking up your new best friend. This phone slaughters the iPhone.
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I wanted to create a thread that would reflect what drove me to XDA and made me a member.
One sentence comments will be removed. please stay on topic and be thorough.
I am aware that there are many that have been on XDA far longer then myself. I have fond memories of first entering this HTC forum, looking for help on my HTC Touch.
While this was some time back, I never really utilized the forum. It wasn't until a few years later, that I once again stumbled upon this site called XDA (wasn't I here once before) I seem to remember this forum... low and behold I was here, but forgot my password lol
I have found many friends here and have learned many how to's and how not to's of conversation/communicating with perfect strangers.
I have grown a vast admiration for those who develop and those that contribute
My second go round with XDA came a few years later when I purchased my first Android smartphone.
John R kick'n since back in the day
And then there was Josh... I couldn't wait for another YT vid from him. He was one of those hat you would come to admire
After learning how to "flash a rom" his weekly tutorials became an entity of there own. Here is the first rom he talked me into:laugh:
And your story is?
Time for you all to share:good:
I discovered xda back in 2010 when I owned my first android phone. It was the HTC Desire, beautiful and in the spur of the moment choice I had made (I was due for an upgrade and was at the mall and I was going to go for the HTC Hero but they didn't have it in stock so I opted for the Desire, didn't know what I was in for).
I remember looking for everything about Android, learning about it, learning about HTC sense and what not. I was then trying to find means of a way to get Android 2.2 at the time, hahaha. It was 2.1 and I didn't want to wait for the OTA update, god it took forever to come. Ended up searching up "How to install 2.2 onto your HTC Desire" there were so many links about installing ROMs and rooting + etc. Ended up using the one-click root program (the name escapes me) and by chance I ended up in the subforums for the Desire, learning customizations, what to do when my phone got stuck in a bootloop and becoming a part of "flashaholics anonymous." I was flashing one ROM everyday until I got bored and stopped. Here I am, 3 years later with my Desire still alive, running on Jellybean and I'm now a proud owner of the Nexus 4 too. I was on and off this forum for quite some time, decided to return since I wanted to root my Nexus 4 and which I did so successfully, just trying to find the perfect ROM for that N4 now.
Re: Thank you XDA for....
XDA has become a big part of my life over the past (almost) 2 years! I have made some great friends and learned a great deal about android over my time here! If it wasn't for XDA I would still be stuck with a keyboard that skips every other letter I type and a gps that wouldn't work no matter what! Most importantly, to me, is the friendships and bonds I have developed with the community all around XDA though. That means so much more to me than any rom/kernel/theme/mod ever could! So thanks for brining more friends into my life XDA, I truly appreciate it! And a big thanks to qbking77, without your videos, I would probably still know nothing! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
Thank you XDA for....
Thank you XDA & it's developers for giving best possible software support, help & giving dual touch which Sony said impossible
My story:
I bought a new W8 in about June 2013
First I was happy as it was my first android phone but then I searched & found that eclair(stock rom) doesn't support voice functions & application moving I was a noob then
But I searched & heard about unofficial updates & asked queries on Facebook & that redirected me to XDA & fun part started I saw many roms for stock kernel(I can't unlock bootloader thanks to sony ) first ROM- bootloop (forgot to wipe dalvik-cache) restored to stock
2nd rom brick! (Wrong kernel)
Finally gingerdx worked!!!!!
& my phone was better than ever (gingerbread)
& I registered on xda & started learning new things now I have got more knowledge about android than any of my friends I added extra tweaks & mods & customized everything & I also made good friends here too like Sgt. Meow, dagger, Taj_rocks list is gonna be long so let's stop
ALL THANKS TO XDA
:beer::beer::beer:
My first experience on XDA was right before I got my Captivate (SGH-i896). I was looking for the best phone to get at the time and that one was the clear winnner. From there, I found out about rooting and custom development, more specificly from Team Phoenix. After reading, reading and reading some more, I found myself helping others with the little bit of knowledge I had and after some time it became a daily thing (more like an addiction). That's when a member of TP at the time (NunHugger) noticed me and asked to join their team (you can imagine how happy I was).
I still remember the first day I got to help users carrying the TP crest in my sig, it was one beautiful day!
Kept going with them and helping around as much as I could for over a year. We had went through team merges and split ups but all in good measures. After the early ICS days, real life hit'd me in the face and couldn't be on XDA as much, which ended being less than once a week. But after a few months, when things settled down, I got back in touch with my good old friends and teammates and slowly got back into XDA.
XDA didn't only teach me about developping/modding and such, it also bought me some really good friends, which are like my 2nd family now (''Team Family'' *Pun Intended*). Those people made me a better person, opened my eyes to so many important things and we got through a lot of things together. I definately didn't imagine my XDA experience to turn out like that but I am really grateful it did!
BWolf56 said:
My first experience on XDA was right before I got my Captivate (SGH-i896). I was looking for the best phone to get at the time and that one was the clear winnner. From there, I found out about rooting and custom development, more specificly from Team Phoenix. After reading, reading and reading some more, I found myself helping others with the little bit of knowledge I had and after some time it became a daily thing (more like an addiction). That's when a member of TP at the time (NunHugger) noticed me and asked to join their team (you can imagine how happy I was).
I still remember the first day I got to help users carrying the TP crest in my sig, it was one beautiful day!
Kept going with them and helping around as much as I could for over a year. We had went through team merges and split ups but all in good measures. After the early ICS days, real life hit'd me in the face and couldn't be on XDA as much, which ended being less than once a week. But after a few months, when things settled down, I got back in touch with my good old friends and teammates and slowly got back into XDA.
XDA didn't only teach me about developping/modding and such, it also bought me some really good friends, which are like my 2nd family now (''Team Family'' *Pun Intended*). Those people made me a better person, opened my eyes to so many important things and we got through a lot of things together. I definately didn't imagine my XDA experience to turn out like that but I am really grateful it did!
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AdamHolden for president :good:
TonyStark said:
AdamHolden for president :good:
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Haha! Don't forget Xtremekilla07 :good: Whatever how much we upgrade OS and add features to our older phones, I don't remember a ROM running better than FireFly 3.0 did back in the days. That was just pure awesomeness!
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Wow. Well my time at XDA started with something simple...trying to get Flash working on the Samsung Epic 4G that came with Eclair. Google search led me to XDA and leaked Froyo builds that allowed Flash to finally work. I was intrigued at the possibilities of rooting and all the helpful people I met here. I absorbed all the knowledge I could of that phone and before I knew it I was the one answering questions as quick as I could read them. The feeling from helping others was awesome. Soon after losing the Bonsai team I had joined as a tester, I yearned for that same look and feel of the Bonsai ROMs. Rather than pester themers and ROM devs to make my phone look and do what I want, I learned how to start doing it myself starting with Dreamsforgotten's awesome themeing guide. It was not long before I figured out the next step of building a ROM....one for The People. But still I wanted to help my new XDA family even more. I began helping the moderators of the Epic 4G forum, 2 great guys in PG101 and Jayharper08! I wanted to do for The People what they did and help keep this a great welcome place for all comers. They let me know about open moderator applications. I was fortunate enough to make the cut. I am still making ROMs for my family here and now help out even more as your Friendly Neighborhood Moderator. Thanks to all my family here!
Turing of Signature . .
My Journey isn't as big as others. I started with my first cellphone which was the Samsung Star. A year later I bought the Samsung Galaxy 3 (aka Apollo not the Galaxy S 3). It was the first phone in Samsung Galaxy series and I had no knowledge about android. Sooner I started to find out stuff about android and found a function called "App2Sd" which was only on Froyo. I wanted it and searched the whole internet untill I stumbled on XDA. I hardly understood what a ROM meant and I thought it was something like the Gameboy ROM games. A choose one ROM which had a good theme and was based on froyo and that was it.
It triggered the flashoaholic in me. I tried every rom available.
I used the Apollo for 3 years and now I learned a lot about Android, apps and much more. Now I use the Nexus 4 which is a massive upgrade in all directions. I had neither used ICS nor a big touch screen. The screen really makes me vomit rainbows and waffles.
Thanks XDA.
ak700 said:
My Journey isn't as big as others. I started with my first cellphone which was the Samsung Star. A year later I bought the Samsung Galaxy 3 (aka Apollo not the Galaxy S 3). It was the first phone in Samsung Galaxy series and I had no knowledge about android. Sooner I started to find out stuff about android and found a function called "App2Sd" which was only on Froyo. I wanted it and searched the whole internet untill I stumbled on XDA. I hardly understood what a ROM meant and I thought it was something like the Gameboy ROM games. A choose one ROM which had a good theme and was based on froyo and that was it.
It triggered the flashoaholic in me. I tried every rom available.
I used the Apollo for 3 years and now I learned a lot about Android, apps and much more. Now I use the Nexus 4 which is a massive upgrade in all directions. I had neither used ICS nor a big touch screen. The screen really makes me vomit rainbows and waffles.
Thanks XDA.
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Do you have a YT for this? If so, add it to your post. Thanks
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Well, my XDA residence started from HTC Desire with which I have a love and hate relationship. Why love? Well, it introduced me to the world of android where computing power is finally truly mobile and fits in your pocket. Why hate? It introduced me to XDA.
I stumbled across XDA when I was trying to find out when froyo was coming to it. At the same time I was hating on it for lacking internal memory. I found out about a2sd+. That was it. I was hooked. Since then I've spent countless hours in xda looking for answers and answering questions. For some reason I finally turned into a noob friendly guy which likes to educate new users where and how to look for answers. Because of that I've "met" a lot of people. We formed teams, we just had good time and we learned together. It is fun.
I'm glad found it. And not at the same time. XDA is so good, it's bloody addictive and often takes over more important things in real life. I guess because I feel comfortable here, and that's thanks to you guys, which are nice and friendly and no matter how different we are, we are a lot more often more similar than people from irl around us, as we have one massive addiction/hobby in common.
Mods are great, they look after us, they are peacekeepers. Big thanks to them for that.
But i truly believe it's you guys, users, that are making xda what it is. And don't let an ignorant noob to change that. Don't flame them, "convert" them into another useful member of the community.
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Honestly I dont remember exactly how I ran into xda, but i remember it was in april-may 2011 when I got my first android device, the almighty Xperia X8, for sure I would've go insane without xda(small ram, only eclair), I really can't imagine how I ran into xda, I didn't knew about root at all, it just happened, so after readin stuff in xda, in june I rooted for the first time the x8(now I can't imagine a phone without root) and so does my journey begins with flashing froyo, gingerbread, froyo again, some eclair and so on.
After couple of months I thought now it's time to start giving help aswell so I joined xda in oct 2011. Since then lot happened, my x8 went through fire and ice, had all sorts of ROMs(even honeycomb lol), mids, kernels and I could talk all day about it. Unfortunately now I don't own an x8 anymore, I own an s2 and a tab2 7.0 but if it wasn't xda(and indirectpy the x8) i think they would've ended smashed to a wall because touchwiz is my ultimate nemesis, so thx xda for all the good stuff i learnt.period
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I got an Android phone back in late 2009 or so and I ran across a site known as XDA because I was finding some tips on modding the OS. I never made an account though, I don't know why, but I made that decision for some reason, though.
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Well first of all, BIG THANKS to xdadevelopers for having an open site for us non developers to be a part of !! It has been an absolute pleasure to be a member here. To learn so much. And to be able to participate in all aspects of development. And to be able to, in return, contribute and help others. And for these things...Thank u XDA !!!!
I got here via the way of the SGH-i897 Samsung Captivate , my first smart phone. Got it after i discovered I had washed my Samsung Impression. So glad now that I got that faithful Captivate. After having it for about a month I started lookin online about this phone and for ways to get rid of the at&t apps, a.k.a. :banghead: bloatware. That quest led me to XDA :thumbup: It didn't take me long to decide to become a member. But it did take me a while before I started posting it seemed. Read a lot. Then read a lot more. Got Root. Got rid of the bloat. Started flashin Roms, using Odin, etc. and really enjoyed my new found hobby. Then came my first brick , thankfully a soft brick. But that led to me makin my own jig. And from then on, hooked for sure. -- Hence my avatar F5N . All the learning and participating in the xda community has been and continues to be a part of my everyday life, just as other hobbies that I enjoy are. -- Gotta keep things in perspective. :thumbup:
So here's to u XDA and all it's members...and especially to several members, from the forums that I have been a part of, that have become like really good buds that I enjoy hangin out with. :beer::thumbup::beer:
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ah the memories.
my trek to xda was due to my newly acquired p500 many yrs ago. I tweaked the heck out of that one. good times.:good:
muchos gracious XDA!!!
So,
I came to XDA in Aug 2008, looking for a way to remove Manila (now sense) from my HTC Diamond.. that day gone.. and today.. no looking back.. learnt.. gave back to the community ... learnt more.. gave back more you know how it is
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Thanks TonyStark for starting this thread! I think this is a really cool idea and an awesome way to come together and give thanks for the awesomeness that is the XDA community!
I too, have made many friends on this site and really appreciate this site's purpose and the comaraderie it spawns.
I came to XDA in 2010 after I purchased my first Android device (which like many others was) a Samsung Captivate. I finally joined XDA in mid 2011.
It was via my Captivate and good old mobiletechvideos.com that I learned how to root and flash ROM's. I think my first custom ROM was Serendipity. I've been hooked ever since. I never imagined that I would meet such an incredible bunch of people and learn an immense amount along the way. I've always been a typical geek and XDA provided a medium thru which to express that geekiness and pimp my handsets out in the process.
I truly love this site and not a day goes by that I don't visit it and learn something new!
Many thanks XDA for an immense repository of knowledge and a truly genuine experience! Without you I would be stuck with Touchjiz or some other inadequate stock ROM!!
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I came here as a total noob to Android and mostly to forums as well. I do go to some technical forums for work related troubleshooting, but I never stayed anywhere for more than a few minutes. Something about XDA hooked me pretty quickly and I read and read and read trying to figure out the rules and unwritten customs here for many many hours at a time, learning, getting answers, then giving answers, and now participating at a higher level still as a mod. My wife started calling it my "jobby". :-/ I still haven't told her I was accepted as a mod.
I still have my first and only Android phone, the HTC Sensation. I ran CM JB on it for a bit but I am back on ICS now but with Sense 4.1. I also have a Windows phone that was a tester at work, no SIM so I just use it over WiFi but it is interesting to see the differences between the OSes. My contract runs out in August so I will be getting the best advice in the world from this site as to what to go to next. Thank you XDA!!
Describe your journey to XDA. Make sure to thank XDA
A couple of years ago I was thinking about rooting my HTC Desire, Started searching on Google and of course XDA came up alot in the results so I started reading the forum posts. I didn't get very far in my rooting and sort of forgot about it. Then about a year later my wife started having trouble with her Galaxy S2 so back to Google, which of course lead me back to XDA.
Maybe the timing was better, the stars aligned, whatever, but thanks to very helpful people at XDA I sorted the S2 problems then in a burst of enthusiasm went back, rooted the Desire and went on to root my current HTC One X,
Point is I'm having lots more fun with my phones very much thanks to some very generous people here at XDA.