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Last straw was last night. Had 13% battery life left before softball last night and knowing I wouldn't use my phone during the games, but having been burned by my battery before, I shut my phone down before the games. Played softball for two hours then turned my phone on. Booted up long enough to see that I had 0% battery before it shut down again.
What am I doing that's causing this? I get maybe 10 hours out of a Seido 1750mAh battery. I have no apps that do background updates. I keep my display on "dim" most of the day. I go most days without even making or receiving a single phone call!
Ideas? Thanks for any help. This is really frustrating.
Cyanogen Mod 7.0.3
Kernel: 2.6.37.4-cyanogenmod+ [email protected] #27
Baseband: 2.05.00.06.11
Seido 1750 mAh battery
I'm not sure, but there have been claims that Seidio inflates their numbers and their 1750 mah battery isn't actually that much. Has this been something that has been happening gradually? Like your battery life is degrading over time and now it's at an unbearable point?
Try a different Kernel or Baseband. I'm using MIUI w/ incredikernel and get great battery life w/ stock battery. I'm also using 2.15.00.07.28 Baseband. I use SetCPU to set a screen off profile of 245min 245max, havn't noticed any lag while having that set. If you wish to update your radio easily you could download "Inc Bits" from the market. Great app has all of our phone radios, all you need to do is rename it and move to SDcard.
Agree with tcberg2010 here. Try incredikernal with Smartass governor. Check out vipermod. I was having intense battery issues which i posted about a week back. My suggestion would be to get spare parts app and check partial wakelock to see if anything is keeping your phone up. I use maps occasionally and it turns out that it was causing partial wakelock constantly. After disabling a locations and gps i am back to standard battery life. Looking forward to next cyanogenmod update, hope there is a fix...
If your phone died while it was turned off, then I would either have battery tested or get another one it could have an internal problem.
Yeah unless the phone some how got turned on in your pocket (I'm not sure how, but it has happened to me), There should be minute if not no drain on the bat at all. I'm not sure where you can get it tested, but I would certainly be wary about that bat. Do you still have the stock 1300? I'd check to see if it looses charge while the phone is off. Maybe there's a short in the phone.
Thanks for all the suggestions. I'm at about 10.5 hours right now and 7% left with the only thing I've changed being the battery. I went back to my stock battery. Going to try a new radio first, then vipermod.
try the "battery moniter widget" from the market. it keeps perfect tabs on your battery, can tell you the REAL mA of your battery, temp, usage stats, all kinds of stuff. it's really a good app to use to watch your battery...you could also use MIUI, and watch your battery life almost double. it's superior to CM7 in so many ways. and the people that have used both, i think pretty much agree...
I have been searching as to what is the proper way to cycle charge so I can get the best battery life after installing new kernel and ROM.
However I seem to find different answers
One to drain in completely others say don't?
What do I do?
Unless someone links you to a peer reviewed research paper, you will be reading random anecdotes.
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Unless someone links you to a peer reviewed research paper, you will be reading random anecdotes.
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I wouldn't consider the manufacturer's suggested charging cycles to be "random anecdotes" even if they're not published in a peer reviewed journal.
"Completely draining" should not be practiced on a regular basis with lithium ion. You can't (or shouldn't be able to) reach an actual complete drain before the phone shuts down. If you could (or ever do) the battery would become useless to you as there is a point of low discharge where lithium ions can no longer be charged by a standard charger.
And while most of the time the shut down of the phone and the subsequent charger connection happens before this point - there have been plenty of people who have let their phones go till they shut down then go to charge their battery only to find it will no longer charge.
So every time there is a drain of your battery to the point your phone shuts off you get real close to that point where you will no longer be able to charge that battery (unless your one of those techno chemist electrical engineer types with all the appropriate tools and materials handy).
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And i know i've read somewhere about someone suggesting that people go through this arduous process of draining the battery to a point, charging it fully, draining it completely, and charging it fully again (or something crazy like that... i don't remember exactly) to make the phone detect the full capacity of the battery and avoid any "memory effect", and i believe that whole idea was even shot down by someone at Google who works on the Android OS as being a complete crock.
I really don't think there is any PROCESS that can be done to give you the optimal battery life, aside from what can be done to prevent apps from draining the battery constantly. Some people recommend having a fully charged battery, or having the phone plugged in when you wipe the phone and install a new ROM... i've rarely done that. I've even wiped and installed roms at like 40% battery life... sometimes a bit lower. But in my experience, battery life has more to do with the ROM being used than what you did to try to MAKE the battery life better.
Running a touchwiz-modded ROM like DrewGaren's Serenity and stuff, i'd generally be lucky to get a full day of battery life seemingly no matter how much or how little i used the phone. I'm not what i'd consider a heavy user.... haven't really used my phone much all day today, though it did spend a good portion of the day on the charger. But i'm running the latest build of Task & Ktoonsez AOKP ROM, and it's been on battery for 9.75 hours and is still at 85%... but that's only with 20 minutes of screen time.
Anyway.... all i can say is from my own personal experience, but i don't think there is really any definitive process one can follow to improve battery life beyond what the software itself will do anyway.
Whether or not it has any effect on actual battery performance i would say that running a 'full' cycle or two of drain and charge for android to learn the battery capacity. Probably doesn't have much affect on a stock battery but when i purchased my 4400mah battery it took a few cycles to get an accurate reading from the charge meter. It would drain down to the warning in what it was expecting the stock 2100mah to be dying and ran FF3 for atleast 2 hours non stop on 1-5% until the battery actually gave out. On top of that it couln't decided how much it really wanted to say was remaining, it would jump up and down a percent or two, obviously confused of what to do. Whether or not its necessary to run it to this point is debatable, but with android or myself not knowing how much charge was actually left in the battery i did.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3846897#post3846897
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone.htm
Hello,
I know, I know, there are many threads on the battery issue. But I'm struggling just too hard with this. I've researched and read every thread on xda and other forums elsewhere to glean as many tips as possible which has certainly helped, but something just doesn't seem right.
Currently I'm using a battery saver app - Easy Battery - which does help considerably during idling and off-use periods - the DINC at least has some charge left to make a few calls and check voicemail when I'm finished on the job site and going home, but when actually using the device it seems like I can just watch the battery drain down - it's really disheartening.
My device details are below. I'm using the best performing kernel I've found after much trial and research. I've deleted about 10 - 14 resident system apps to improve performance - the DINC is as bareboned as it can get. Maybe I can delete a few others still.
I understand JB is more of a battery drain, but can it be this bad? After a full night's charge, I wake up and check my mail in bed, some quick online news browsing, looked at one or two video clips, 5-10 minutes each. I spent about 20 minutes on the phone. Looking at my screenshot, the battery's drained 40%, IN 37 MINUTES!!!
Also, some hours of the day the battery life seems better...? Sometimes I can perform general tasks on the phone, watch a few video clips, do some reading for an hour straight sitting over a pint and there seems to be comparatively little drain at all, certainly not 40% worth of battery drain in a half hour. I just don't get it.
Am I need of a new battery? Is there a super battery for the DINC? Should I be limiting the number of 'recent apps' in the Recent Apps switcher? Is there another Performance setting I'm overlooking? I/O scheduler setting?
Please, please, what can I do - any additional tips would be greatly appreciated. I love the DINC. For me, it's the perfect sized phone that I like, outside of any device functionality at all. Maybe I'm moving on though. Ugh.
Devices:
HTC Incredible - cm-10-20121125-TINY-inc (Cyanogenmod 10 / JB 4.1.2)
2.6.38.8-incredikernel-jb-11242012
my response in
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1988470
if you have the original Dinc 1400 mah battery, maybe your battery just doesn;t hold a charge anymore.
what I do is I don;t even charge my batteries in the phone really. i find that when I charge the battery in the phone, the battery drains quicker. I bought an universal external charger and rotate a couple of 3500 mah batteries after running them down completely. I carry a spare with me if I need but usually my phone lasts into the next day.
you can get 3500 mah batteries for about 5$ or so on eBay(last I checked). the universal charger goes for 9.99 on NewEgg or Amazon. good investment
What I've done on CM10 to try to extend battery life:
Keep my screen locked at 25% brightness but can toggle into 100% or auto when necessary. On CM9 (before I was crack-flashing CM10) I played with auto-brightness levels that were discussed in this thread and they did help. 'Auto' is normally too bright for me, anyways.
Turned off background location reporting in Maps. This will neuter some things in Google Now, tho. You can see how often your phone "checks in" here.
I used SmartAssV2 on CM9 but went to interactive on CM10. No quantitative data that it helped battery life, but it passed my eyeball test after a week+ on both. My phone is flaky on under/overclock so I keep it at 245/998.
I leave 3G on, WIFI on, GPS off, BT off 99% of the time.
Hmm, great suggestions. An external charger(though I'd prefer not to be regularly opening the casing, I'll look into it); 3G radio off; locking brightness at 25%, toggling when necessary; background reporting off. I'll also keep experimenting with a governor and try a week on interactive. A really great kernels guide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1369817.
I have a spare original battery so I've got that in and giving it a powered-off charge. See how that does on top of other adjustments.
BTW Both batteries I own are model BTR6300B 3.7VDC -- 1300mAh 4.81Whr - tekweezle mentioned a 1400mAh battery and other available batteries that are at 3500 mAh now - I guess I'm looking into new batteries as well -
cheers for the responses -
I recommend just getting a new battery on ebay for 5$. Also get juicedefender it doubles my battery life. Also try tiny/pons cm10 rom that has great battery life.
Definitely getting a new battery; I'm already using tiny's rom which continues Pons' CM10 rom builds. Really great -
cheers
Obviously, if you are using your phone non stop, you'd be lucky to get 6-8 hrs of usage. But the true indicator of what a phone does is how often you don't have to be attached to a wall outlet or hunting for one.
I don't know if others get similar results as me but this is more or less typical of me with light to moderate usage-checking email, Facebook, some Web browsing, occasional phone call or text message plus leaving my phone on overnight in stand by.
By the way, how I am on pons/tiny 12-9-12 and working well.
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0WP0EZ0560
btw, this is the external battery charger I am using. awesome thing is that it charges at 600 mah so my 3500 mah batteries charge up in 4-5 hrs or so. since it has moving pins, you will be able to use this to charge any flat battery for any cell phone or camera you might buy in the future.
the SEIDO HTC EVO modified one I got on ebay charges at 500 mah and for some reason it takes 8-11 hours to charge a battery and I am finding out now that it doesn;t even charge them completely even when it thinks they are completely charged. i take a battery that is charged in this and put it in my other charger and still needs charging of about 10 percent!
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I don't know if others get similar results as me but this is more or less typical of me with light to moderate usage-checking email, Facebook, some Web browsing, occasional phone call or text message plus leaving my phone on overnight in stand by.
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I get something similar, probably a little worse, in send/recv about 50-100 texts a day and checking 2 gmail and 1 exchange account constantly. My battery does tank when I'm actively using the phone and really all I can do there is manage the brightness of the screen. I've been doing my tweaking to try to increase battery life when I'm not using the phone. In 7 hours last night it only went down 3%. When I first started using JB it was 10-12% a night.
Great, great info - love these forums, and I love android!
tekweezle - could you tell me exactly which 3500 mah battery you're using with your DINC? Also - no issues whatsoever with the pons/tiny 12-9-12? I thought I saw a few things reported with the 11-28-12 and stayed away from it, staying with the 11-25-12.
cheers!
i have an expensive SEIDO battery that I bought from Amazon in the beginning for about 59$. Never thought the capacity was all that great till i found out that my battery wasn;t even being charged completely. not really worth the money but at the time, it was all that was available
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003SNIRAG/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
The others, i just bought generic flavor of the day batteries off of eBay for 5$ each. basically throw away items. just search for HTC 3500 mah Incredible battery and you should get some hits.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=htc incredible3500 battery extended&_sop=15
no real operational issues yet with 12-09-12 Rom. minor annoyances with video playback. actually, the still camera works fine but video camera doesn't save files.
Does anyone know of a better battery that will work with the zl.
As we all know this phone really suffers from poor battery life and overheating. I've managed to solve the overheating problem by flashing miui v5 and have it undervolted @ 987mv @ 1512mhz with doomkernel and kernel tuner, the phone is very cool now compared to before. However battery life is still dissappointing lasting only 10 hours a day dropping 10% every hour with light/moderate usage. Onscreen time it will die within 3 hours
So I wanna open it up and put a better battery so I can use a different rom cos miui is very restricted imo. xposed framework doesnt really work well with it.
th3m0dd3r said:
Does anyone know of a better battery that will work with the zl.
As we all know this phone really suffers from poor battery life and overheating. I've managed to solve the overheating problem by flashing miui v5 and have it undervolted @ 987mv @ 1512mhz with doomkernel and kernel tuner, the phone is very cool now compared to before. However battery life is still dissappointing lasting only 10 hours a day dropping 10% every hour with light/moderate usage. Onscreen time it will die within 3 hours
So I wanna open it up and put a better battery so I can use a different rom cos miui is very restricted imo. xposed framework doesnt really work well with it.
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Stock firmware gives me 4,5 hour screentime MINIMUM! So its NOT as we all know. It's your phone and your apps. Mine lasts a good day with more then moderate/light use. 13 hours with 75% left at the moment and 1 hour 10 min. screentime. Wifi always on. When out of house, 4G/LTE always on. NFC constantly on. So its you. Not your phone.
22,5 hour on single charge. 4,5 hour screen time. 8% left. I can't see your problem.
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Yes you are correct, Im using paranoid rom and battery life has improved a lot. I also found that heavy undervolting uses more battery life. I'm new to android so didn't know this. What roms are you guys using exactly?
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So? is there any after market battery?
heres my battery life, can someone help me?
I get around 15 hours with the stock rom. I switched to existenz but i havent tested it yet.
And i really want to change the bat.
If there was a way to put a LiPo 3000mah in this thing...
aliexpress.com
You can buy new battery for xperial ZL from aliexpress.com. Not many vendors though, but its pretty cheap.
I ordered mine and it reached from China to India safely in around 1 month. Seems good and genuine, but have not tried it yet. As others have said, it may not be a problem with the battery at all and changing battery wont do any good. Check if its really a battery problem or not.
givemered said:
You can buy new battery for xperial ZL from aliexpress.com. Not many vendors though, but its pretty cheap.
I ordered mine and it reached from China to India safely in around 1 month. Seems good and genuine, but have not tried it yet. As others have said, it may not be a problem with the battery at all and changing battery wont do any good. Check if its really a battery problem or not.
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i also ordered one from ebay it says made in japan now its working smooth and giving me extra 3-4 hours of battery life
after three years of extensive usage, my battery has now reached the end if its life. It now dies at around 30%- 40%. I tried battery calibration but it works only once. after a full 100-0% run, the next run dies at the same 30- 40% level. I have been monitoring voltage via ampere app. when it reaches 30- 40 % range, the voltage drops significantly from 3.5 to 3.2 and below and shut off abruptly. also, now during heavy usage, battery temp goes up to 50 C.
Does this mean the battery is completely worn out? or something else may also be bad?
anybody else with 2-3 years of use notice the same?
and if the battery is at fault here, can someone suggest me a link where can i buy one?
control freak said:
after three years of extensive usage, my battery has now reached the end if its life. It now dies at around 30%- 40%. I tried battery calibration but it works only once. after a full 100-0% run, the next run dies at the same 30- 40% level. I have been monitoring voltage via ampere app. when it reaches 30- 40 % range, the voltage drops significantly from 3.5 to 3.2 and below and shut off abruptly. also, now during heavy usage, battery temp goes up to 50 C.
Does this mean the battery is completely worn out? or something else may also be bad?
anybody else with 2-3 years of use notice the same?
and if the battery is at fault here, can someone suggest me a link where can i buy one?
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Same here, phone shuts down around 40% and whats worse is that the battery has deformed and pushed motherboard up causing a lot of problems. My ZL USB port short circuited blowing smoke and now won't boot up at all. Tested the battery and got voltage around 2.8V, which means safety triggers won't let me charge it
When I got this phone back in October, the battery would last around 25-30+ hours. I would take it off the charger at 6am, and at 10pm it would have around 40% left at least. After the February update, it started to go downhill. By the time Q was released, it was just bad. It's at under 50% now at about 8-9 hours off the charger. By 10pm, it's on battery saver and down to 8-15%. Like, it just went to total sheet. I did go to Q, but the battery life has been about the same.
I haven't installed anything new really. I've even been uninstalling apps to see if anything helps. GSAM battery monitor doesn't show any irregularities in any of the apps I use though. So, I wonder if the battery itself is just crapping out? I use the Pixel stand, and I'm aware wireless charging can degrade a battery quicker, but this is just ridiculous!
Anyone else experiencing this? Did you find a way to fix it?
I'm otherwise going to wait until DP2 to see if that helps, otherwise I am probably going to call Google for a replacement.
Also, I did a factory reset before Q, and that didn't help whatsoever.
Maybe the battery was new at that time so you were getting at 10pm around 40% left at least.
I used to get around 45% left at 05pm, which is about 12 hours from charging before and after q.
In order to avoid disturbance, iam charging it at 06am 100%, then recharging again at 02pm (battery level about 65) so it will stay about 60% at 10pm.
Iam heavy user, screen is on for long time.
I am also using s10+ and mate 20 pro, both have much better batteries.
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When I got this phone back in October, the battery would last around 25-30+ hours. I would take it off the charger at 6am, and at 10pm it would have around 40% left at least. After the February update, it started to go downhill. By the time Q was released, it was just bad. It's at under 50% now at about 8-9 hours off the charger. By 10pm, it's on battery saver and down to 8-15%. Like, it just went to total sheet. I did go to Q, but the battery life has been about the same.
I haven't installed anything new really. I've even been uninstalling apps to see if anything helps. GSAM battery monitor doesn't show any irregularities in any of the apps I use though. So, I wonder if the battery itself is just crapping out? I use the Pixel stand, and I'm aware wireless charging can degrade a battery quicker, but this is just ridiculous!
Anyone else experiencing this? Did you find a way to fix it?
I'm otherwise going to wait until DP2 to see if that helps, otherwise I am probably going to call Google for a replacement.
Also, I did a factory reset before Q, and that didn't help whatsoever.
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If you think your battery is already on its way out you can download AccuBattery. Run it through a few charge cycle and it will give you an estimate of the overall health of your battery. This could help you see if your battery has gone bad vs the updates making battery life worse. I'm honestly leaning towards the updates making things worse. You could also have wakelocks that are preventing your device from going into deep sleep as well. If you're rooted Better Battery Stats is a solid app to help you detect any wakelocks that are preventing your device from going into deep sleep. Good luck!
My battery is not good but I wouldn't say its terrible . It drains pretty quick on standby so I turned off AOD. It drains pretty quick too during usage. I don't think it's a hardware problem, more of poor optimisation. I don't think the battery on the next pixels will be much greater even with a 4000 mah battery because Google relies heavily on sending information back to its servers hence data is always working in the background. Ads are starting to pop up everywhere in most of Google's apps if youve noticed.
Curious what would happen if you restrict Android system in battery manager, does anyone know if it's bad in any way?
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If you think your battery is already on its way out you can download AccuBattery. Run it through a few charge cycle and it will give you an estimate of the overall health of your battery. This could help you see if your battery has gone bad vs the updates making battery life worse. I'm honestly leaning towards the updates making things worse. You could also have wakelocks that are preventing your device from going into deep sleep as well. If you're rooted Better Battery Stats is a solid app to help you detect any wakelocks that are preventing your device from going into deep sleep. Good luck!
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So, I checked out Accubattery, and it shows my battery health at 97%, so, maybe it's not the battery after all. I'm still getting 5+ hours SOT, but I was getting that before while having the battery last WAY longer. I actually called Google, and they want to send me a replacement, but, all my funds are tied up in a home loan, so, I can't do it until we close... End of May I'll have a replacement lol.
Thanks for your suggestion though!
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So, I checked out Accubattery, and it shows my battery health at 97%, so, maybe it's not the battery after all. I'm still getting 5+ hours SOT, but I was getting that before while having the battery last WAY longer. I actually called Google, and they want to send me a replacement, but, all my funds are tied up in a home loan, so, I can't do it until we close... End of May I'll have a replacement lol.
Thanks for your suggestion though!
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Good luck! But sounds like you get better battery life than I do overall! I have a brand new device due to warranty circumstances and I have to charge everyday. But I am a power user so it is to be expected, but I was never impressed with the battery life on the XL 3. Overall the 3 XL has very average to subpar battery life. Their refurbished warranty devices are also a gamble, ranging from ones with mechanical defects to large scratches on the screen!
Soo, Digital Wellbeing may be the culprit, at least for me. Uncheck the usage access for DW, then restrict battery and uncheck background data. Let me know if this helps!
I updated to Q beta 3, and my battery life improved, but I then read somewhere that DW might be affecting battery life, so I did the above. Unfortunately, I didn't wait a day or two to see if Q was the reason for better battery life, so, definitely try this and let me know. I went from maybe 15-16 hours of battery life to off the charger at 6:30 and still almost 40% at 10pm. My phone showed the battery would last until about 8:30am when I went to sleep. This is where my phone was when I bought it. Anyway, hope this helps!