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[REQUEST]An open request to rom devs for a finished AOSP ROM

Hello,
Having used lox devs dev Eclair AOSP ROM I've realised how lacking the Hero is in its standard form - general speed of use and just the way the system feels.
In short I love using 2.0 with none of the HTC bloatware, its a shame as I don't think the ROM devs think there is much call for this - Hopefully in this thread everyone who agrees will shout up.
Obviously the dev one has its issues - sync, random crashes on phone function, etc, but I'm happy to work with it if I know there is development coming.
It would be great for one of the devs to take the project on board, knowing there is community support for this. I'm sure I'm not the only person who feels this way.
Unfortunately I'm no way programmingly minded and struggle with linux at the best of times, never mind thinking about coding, but I'd donate/support/playtest any work in progress clean android *latest version* ROM for the Hero.

Sorry...subtract 1 No. I am not an android Dev..but have been drinking Leffe

anybody got anything to add to this?

i will request Lox_Dev to update this rom when he gets some free time as i know he is working hard to get Eclair 2.1 done. I and a friend of mine is using 2.0 AOSP for last 5 days and none of us is complaining with basic features. all look good.
just 2-3 things need to be fixed.
* cant set own wallpaper as album/gallery app isnt there.
* bluetooth pairs but cant send/receive files
* camera works upto 3 megapixel.
otherwise i dont find any major problem with AOSP 2.0. i dint face a single hang in 5 days and neither did my friend.

Well, first off all. The current 2.0 / 2.1 builds all run very laggy and crappy. It is as if the video drivers aren't using any acceleration at all or something.
In Lox's 2.0 clean build (which I've used for the past few days) every bit of animation except the lockscreen goes laggy. Scrolling through the menu, opening the menu, opening the notifications... it never goes as smooth as on the 1.5 based ROMS.
I'm in no way complaining, don't get me wrong. I'm very interested in using a stock android experience but so far nothing is working good yet. The 1.6 based tries don't support all the hardware, and the 2.0 / 2.1 based ROMs aren't up to speed.
This is more than understandable ofcourse. The 2.0 / 2.1 based ROMS are based on leaked alpha / beta work which just isn't ready yet, and 1.6 differs too much from the stock android ROM to get all the hardware working OK.
So my hope is that when HTC releases their 2.0 / 2.1 official ROM, we can use it to make a clean vanilla Android 2.x experience which runs as snappy as our current HTC 1.5 versions, and still with all the hardware working OK. Maybe even with a guide how to 'backup' or transfer the googlebits from the official 2.x ROM.
A clean 2.x ROM, but with the googlebits, and with the HTC music player + album + camera + browser... now that would be awesome.
Starting a thread like this isn't really much use right now, since we only have buggy laggy 2.x bits from a leaked ROM to get stuff working.

dipje said:
A clean 2.x ROM, but with the googlebits, and with the HTC music player + album + camera + browser... now that would be awesome.
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Ha, ridiculous. Seriously I don't get people's issue with Sense UI, if you don't want it fine.. But deal with the fact that you're losing HTC apps as well.

kwiksand said:
But deal with the fact that you're losing HTC apps as well.
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omg how am I ever gonna live without a laggy browser, calendar, contact list or sms application?

It would be the best thing ever, IMO.
And nobody needs to be offended, those who want sense UI can just use that

Exactly! So stop flooding Hero (HTC) ROM threads with useless crap about wanting a ROM minus Rosie/Sense UI, E2K you've been the worst offender?!?!
You must be happy now that a almost fully functional AOSP ROM's in the wild!

kwiksand said:
Exactly! So stop flooding Hero (HTC) ROM threads with useless crap about wanting a ROM minus Rosie/Sense UI, E2K you've been the worst offender?!?!
You must be happy now that a almost fully functional AOSP ROM's in the wild!
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Happy?? I am more happy than ever! (regarding the hero)
Also very thankful that the developers got their sh*t together and are pumping out roms like real pro's.
THe devs should be called "hero" not this 2007 pos A7200 cellphone

kwiksand said:
Ha, ridiculous. Seriously I don't get people's issue with Sense UI, if you don't want it fine.. But deal with the fact that you're losing HTC apps as well.
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wtf is wrong with stating what would be a nice combo in my opinion? I even started by saying that for now there should be no hope and 'just requesting it to the devs' right now is bonkers. When a good HTC 2.x ROM comes along the devs have something to play with, until then this thread was useless... and still you gonna call that ridiculous? Your even saying that to a user who has tried a vanilla ROM for the whole of 30 hours before running back to my nandroid backup with MCR on it.
Go troll somewhere else please, or at least read the posts carefully and whole you're going to attack.

[Q] Excuse me,Touch Proers,can we install the HTC sense UI on XDAndroid2.2 ?

I find the HTC sense UI is beautiful,someone will do it?
Thank U.

gengxi said:
I find the HTC sense UI is beautiful,someone will do it?
Thank U.
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You can run it on 2.1, but there's no 2.2 ROM that we can port sense from...

I know its personal preference, but I can't imagine why anyone would want to. The 2.1 version that ran Sense was dog slow and very buggy. IMO, even at it's best, Sense will slow down any system.

reverendkjr said:
I know its personal preference, but I can't imagine why anyone would want to. The 2.1 version that ran Sense was dog slow and very buggy. IMO, even at it's best, Sense will slow down any system.
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Bingo. I think acl is trying to get a ROM from the Desire ported with 2.2/senseui... but I'm sure it'll be slow as heck.
If Android was consistently smooth & quick, then maybe more attention would be given to this cause, but if on a basic level there are still issues... you can't expect something as advanced (and proprietary!) as SenseUI to work well or at all.
But you make a good point. If you want sense, run the rosie 2.1 builds

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Bingo. I think acl is trying to get a ROM from the Desire ported with 2.2/senseui... but I'm sure it'll be slow as heck.
If Android was consistently smooth & quick, then maybe more attention would be given to this cause, but if on a basic level there are still issues... you can't expect something as advanced (and proprietary!) as SenseUI to work well or at all.
But you make a good point. If you want sense, run the rosie 2.1 builds
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in my opinion the best thing for our phone should be 1.6+sense (1.6 is blazin fast) or 2.2+sense,eclair is slower

Anyone want to attempt to port "goapk froyo sense 2.2.1" from HTC HERO? I have somewhat successfully ported a HERO rom from CM FRF91 to HTC Fuze but I'm trying to work on 2.1 Espresso port to ext2 right now.
Might try goapk froyo again later.

e334 said:
Anyone want to attempt to port "goapk froyo sense 2.2.1" from HTC HERO? I have somewhat successfully ported a HERO rom from CM FRF91 to HTC Fuze but I'm trying to work on 2.1 Espresso port to ext2 right now.
Might try goapk froyo again later.
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I would definitely help you if I knew how to port

Or you could try to port from EVO's 2.2 (tried my friends yesterday, and it's definately Android 2.2 (verified in software info.)

djdafreund said:
Or you could try to port from EVO's 2.2 (tried my friends yesterday, and it's definately Android 2.2 (verified in software info.)
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Evo hardware isn't even close to ours... As stated previously, the Hero would probably be the best bet.

I thought someone made mention of it actually working on their device in IRC
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VICTORY. I have successfully converted the sense build to ext2. and with only 3 operating systems involved in the process! 00:05
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R^7Z said:
I thought someone made mention of it actually working on their device in IRC
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He's talking about the 2.1 build. It was still sqshfs, he's talking about converting the sqsh file to ext2...
I don't see any mention of 2.2...

I don't think it would matter. All the reading's i've done say Sense based xdandroid build's are a fair bit slower. I've personally used 1.6 android with sense, well before i started using 2.2, and i agree it was much more laggy (like a second's or more when selecting something, and also when flipping through different screen's, and sense tabs.
I wouldn't bother. Granted i LOVE sense on my touch pro, i would recommend to use the one's HTC makes (they might not SAY they did, but undeniably look identical) offered on the Market, and are pretty cheap actually. I was thinking about buying a couple, but saw some free ones that aren't THAT much difference in looks for free.
I would like to see Sense added to 2.2 if it's not hurting speed and lag though for SURE, but the 1.6 i tried for a week i stopped right away cause it was unbearable to use anymore.

The problem is that including HTC sense widgets would be illegal and infringing on htc's copyright on those widgets/design..

Well, it's no different then the available Android 1.6 w/ Sense that's been around for a while here. Not that i am agreeing on it being right or wrong of course. Course that's kind of why i was mentioning about the FREE alternatives, to avoid that debate.

arrrghhh said:
He's talking about the 2.1 build. It was still sqshfs, he's talking about converting the sqsh file to ext2...
I don't see any mention of 2.2...
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If it counts, I actually converted mine (converted the sqshfs to ext2; used an app jesusfreak mentioned when I first got on irc) but I'm not 100% sure it works
To be honest, I'm not looking for any specific aside from the launcher ( maybe ) or the theme. It ( not talking about the converted sqshfs ) was working or so I thought. I'll have to break out my 4GB microSD and extract what I had working to tell you for sure what I have working and what-not.
I have the link saved on my laptop and will be happy to share this when I get back on my computer, I'm at work currently.
EDIT
Staysafe is the app but development has been halted/abandoned (I beleive)
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I mean a real ext2 partition, not just a .ext2 compressed file..
sorry if I confused you guys

e334 said:
I mean a real ext2 partition, not just a .ext2 compressed file..
sorry if I confused you guys
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Ah, you want something like the neopeek builds

Yes, I am in the process of porting 2.2 Sense goapk from HTC Hero with sd card ext2 partition
I have not abandoned it.. just yet

[Q] Why No Love Anymore for Froyo?

I've said it before numerous times here, that I haven't had a very pleasurable experience with Gingerbread ROMs (i.e. those built off CM7 source). Every GB ROM I've tried has had their good and bad points, but many of those bad points span across them all since they're built off CM7. Not being able to play videos in portrait mode, Gmail not handling text properly in its margins, etc etc keeps me going back to ROMs built off Froyo. Specifically, I'm thoroughly enjoying Virtuous 1.0.1 (built on HTC Sense), as everything works perfectly in it.
Sadly, no one is making ROMs built off Froyo anymore. If you look back at any of the threads starting with [ROM], you'll notice there aren't many that don't have either "gingerbread" or "CM7" in their titles. ROMs that were built using Froyo have dead links or aren't supported by the developers anymore, so if you have questions or want to report an issue you can't. I wish I had the skills to develop my own ROMs for G2 owners, but I'm just not smart enough nor do I have free time to try learning how to do that. Are there any devs here who would consider building some Froyo ROMs? I know there are still some out there that we could use (Villision by TeamVillain, CM 6.1.1, etc), but they haven't been updated in quite some time.
Who here would prefer using Froyo over Gingerbread? I can't be the only one here who isn't totally sold on Gingerbread. Maybe once the source code is released so devs can build ROMs off it without using CM7 as a base, then I will really start to enjoy it.
/end_rant

You just might be the only one here looking for this, lol. Jk. Its the curse of moving forward with this tech. Noone wants to linger on old, they wanna be pushing into the future. Ive abandoned my froyo builds awhile ago. Deleted backups and everything. So sad.
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PyroMod is pretty stable AND it supports actual A2SD. GO Launcher is also better than ADW and the stock Launcher.

If you like Virtuous you might want to give the Desire S ROM a try, it's the best ROM I've used on this phone so far.

blackknightavalon said:
PyroMod is pretty stable AND it supports actual A2SD. GO Launcher is also better than ADW and the stock Launcher.
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I think you're missing the point of this thread. I don't want Gingerbread ROMs built off CM7 source (with PyroMod it's built off CM7-Nightly-31). I'm looking for more ROMs or more development of ROMs built on Froyo. Granted, that could be a really good ROM, but it's still going to have the underlying issues I explained in my OP since this isn't built off pure Gingerbread code. Thanks for the suggestion, though.

There are a few us that still prefer froyo to gingerbread... with CM6.1.1 is there any room for improvement though? I doubt it... when CM goes stable (very soon) and with the release of an official GB for the G2/Desire Z... it won't be long before all of us switch to GB for good.

Freakytah said:
You just might be the only one here looking for this, lol. Jk. Its the curse of moving forward with this tech. Noone wants to linger on old, they wanna be pushing into the future. Ive abandoned my froyo builds awhile ago. Deleted backups and everything. So sad.
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Wow genius... tell us more, please! Enlighten us stone age morons, please!

sino8r said:
Wow genius... tell us more, please! Enlighten us stone age morons, please!
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Are you retarded dude? Why you talking ****? I saw nowhere in his post being disrespectful...pull your frontend thong out of your bruised snatch
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Spastic909 said:
Are you retarded dude? Why you talking ****? I saw nowhere in his post being disrespectful...pull your frontend thong out of your bruised snatch
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Who the **** are you to say anything? It was a joke just like his post... obviously you can't tell the difference between sarcasm and being a jerk off. Why don't you actually contribute something instead of criticizing posts which you don't even comprehend, douche drinker

sino8r said:
There are a few us that still prefer froyo to gingerbread... with CM6.1.1 is there any room for improvement though? I doubt it... when CM goes stable (very soon) and with the release of an official GB for the G2/Desire Z... it won't be long before all of us switch to GB for good.
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I also prefer froyo too.. and I think to make cm6 perfect is get that unknown number issue fixed. Why can't they add the same work around they did with cm7 for it? I wish I knew how to make roms, that'll be my first.. and I don't think the number issue is a sim card issue because why would they have made that workaround??
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noodles2224 said:
I also prefer froyo too.. and I think to make cm6 perfect is get that unknown number issue fixed. Why can't they add the same work around they did with cm7 for it? I wish I knew how to make roms, that'll be my first.. and I don't think the number issue is a sim card issue because why would they have made that workaround??
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That's so true... I forgot about that one. It's a pain to put the number in everytime you want to use the walkie talkie app or for looks on sms. I saw the name of the guy who supplied the fix for CM7 but am unsure of his user name on xda... if we could find that out, pm him, and add the fix ourselves to CM6.

Double post.
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The unknown phone number is the only bug in CM 6.1.1. Sure it's fine after you enter it, but you have to do that every time you reboot the phone. I would love to find a fix for that.
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I just want a stock gingerbread rom without the Cyanogen stuff.
A Nexus S out of the box!

Because it's old and Gingerbread has everything Froyo has and more? I'm not sure why this is even a question.

Tommebaas said:
I just want a stock gingerbread rom without the Cyanogen stuff.
A Nexus S out of the box!
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You might want to consider the "Stock Gingerbread".
I totally agree with you. Froyo Roms are more stable, has less problems and everything is working. I too enjoy the Virtuous Sense Rom. Everything works, I tried switching over to GB Sense, not so great with the bugs and other faults that I can't easily customize. its pretty saddening that Froyo Roms aren't being supported and updated. Virtuous Sense was one of the greatest Roms I used during my experience with the G2 and when I try some other Rom I always come back to it. Just really wish I knew how to make my own Rom. But as of now, when I just try to compile a APK with XML edits, I can't compile it into binary . If only a the Villian Rom Devs would reopen their Froyo Roms.....
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dustrho said:
Sadly, no one is making ROMs built off Froyo anymore.
Who here would prefer using Froyo over Gingerbread? I can't be the only one here who isn't totally sold on Gingerbread. Maybe once the source code is released so devs can build ROMs off it without using CM7 as a base, then I will really start to enjoy it.
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What I hate is all these roms with sense in them. I hate sense and al the sense roms i've tried have issues and never work completely. GingerV1.5 is the most stable rom I have experienced.

Ashaman_Kupo said:
What I hate is all these roms with sense in them. I hate sense and al the sense roms i've tried have issues and never work completely. GingerV1.5 is the most stable rom I have experienced.
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GingerVillain is a good GB ROM as it was built off an earlier version of CM7 (before CM7-RC2 was released). Are you having issues with Sense based on Froyo, Gingerbread or both? There are issues with the GB versions of Sense, but the Froyo ones (i.e. Virtuous) all work wonderfully with almost zero issues. I personally haven't experienced any problems with my phone running Virtuous, just the once-in-a-blue-moon unable to wake the phone with the trackpad.

I completely agree with the first paragraph of the OP. I swear, I could have written it myself.
The nerd in all of us wants the "latest and greatest", and that is fully understandable. But the fact of the matter is that GB has not been officially released yet for this hardware. All the custom GB ROMs are ports, and therefore buggy. I tried various CM7 builds for a while, at first I liked CM7. But eventually the minor bugs all got to me, and I'm on to Virtuous (but using ADW EX instead of the Sense launcher).
Aside from the bugs you mentioned, the camera button on CM7 is really laggy compared to Virtuous (or even the stock Desire Z ROM). And the GPS issue is a constant worry to me. I was able to fix it on RC1, RC2 was fine as-is. But the fact that some people have issues, others don't, and it seems to be radio related, has me thinking its a locational problem. And since I travel frequently for work, it has me less than confidant that I will have a working GPS when I really need it.
Also, there is really not a whole lot different in GB aside from some more consistent theming and a better keyboard. Sense already polishes a lot of the ugly theming in Froyo, and I use Swype anyway, so those GB benefits pretty much are moot for me. I'm sure there are performance enhancements and other small fixes in GB as well, but the performance difference seems to be negligible to me.
This is obviously a matter of personal taste. But I don't think the OP is anywhere near alone, judging from the still decent traffic on the Virtuous thread.

Tommebaas said:
I just want a stock gingerbread rom without the Cyanogen stuff.
A Nexus S out of the box!
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I'm sure that eventually there will be an official 2.3 release from HTC/TMO, once that's been made root-friendly that should be more like what you want. I actually wouldn't be surprised if it were already ready to go but is being held back until HTC gets their Sense 2.3 updates ready.

[Q] A Crapload Of Questions

So yeah, I have a crapload of questions.
I recently asked about rooting and keeping HTC Sense. In retrospect, I don't think I'll need Sense, I just tried out AppLauncher, and I have to say, I think I'm sold on it. I'm just wondering what exactly HTC Sense has? Is there anything it has that I'll really miss? So far the only thing I can think of is the HTC Sense website for a lost phone, backing up data, and the weather widget/FriendStream...though adding Facebook to HTC sense shows all my contacts in the Phone button which is a huge piss off, but meh.
So that being said, I think I'm about ready to give rooting a shot, but now I've been confused with even more things. And the more I read the more I get confused. Especially where I have to downgrade the firmware, I'm wondering if it's still okay to do this, since the guy at Bell told me if I didn't do / get certain updates I'd have to send my phone back to HTC for repair.
There's stock Android, Cyanogen, and it seems like a million other ROMs. Which is the best to use? If I want total customizability, but also good functionality?
Finally, I'm using a Bell-branded Desire Z on the the Bell network. So Whatever I do will need to work okay with it.
As I've said, I'm totally new to this, and I'm scared to hell of bricking my phone since I just signed a contract and don't to shell out $500 bucks for a new one.
There's just so much info on this forum and it's a bit overwhelming/confusing, not that a lot of info is a bad thing, I'm just lost lol.
EDIT: If anything I wrote seems too rambling or doesn't make much sense please specify that and I'll clarify it.

cant help you root your phone but just follow the instructions that the person who writes the threads say. It's not that easy to brick your phone unless you just completely dont follow directions.
1. Downgrade is perfectly fine, it's to allow you to use a certain method to root your phone.
2. Try out different roms to see what you like, it's like asking whats your favorite video game, how can you really choose, some will agree some wont. I personally like the Miui roms which is the iphonelike and android UI mashup. the apps built in are nice on the eyes, the physics of the phones movement is very smooth, it can oc to 1.5ghz, and you can just download a launcher to replace the original if you dont like it.
3. ask the dev's on the thread if your not sure. i have no idea about bell, but it would seem that it shouldnt have any affect on rooting your phone, just maybe the radio but that is different then rooting or flashing roms.
P.S. you might miss the small things from Sense like, it looks nice, turns on fast, widgets, the dialer to search contact, incoming calls doesnt disrupt navigation, and it's original live wallpaper lol.

So are you saying that I can't search by contact in the default phone app? That kind of sucks.
I guess more of what I'm asking is just based on people's experiences what the best route to go is. I know there are different tastes, I'm more concerned about reliability, so I'm sure people could help with a ROM choice with that criteria.
So downgrading firmware won't affect phone performance? And can it still be reverted to stock in case the phone needs warranty repair? Just trying to cover all my bases.
And thanks, I'll ask around in the deg thread.

Bloodlvst said:
So are you saying that I can't search by contact in the default phone app? That kind of sucks.
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There are usually apps available that provide Sense functionality to non-Sense ROMs. In regards to the above, you can try DialerOne.

To help you with the ROMs think of them in terms of how different Linux OS's are setup (if you know a bit about this).
You have the base OS's such as Cyanogen. Now some one doesn't like the look of that so they change the Frameworkres.apk to give it defferent colors, transparencies, icons and so on. Now they want a few extra apps to be included in the install so they add them to the /system/app directory or add a /data directory. Repackage it and now they have a custom OS called WINNING ROM (or whatever). These are easy to do and can be completed in a matter of minutes since there aren't any big alterations in the base coding of the OS. This is why you see a lot of ROMs that look like Cyanogens and the developer usually (and should be) states what version of some one elses ROM it's based off of.
Then you have ROMs that tweak certain parameters for speed or add other functionalities to a ROM such as a custom kernel, audio/video codecs, a2ext, compcache/linux swap, and others. Plus a complete custom UI (launcher), port parts of other ROMs such as Sense to work on their ROM, and toms of other things. These take days, weeks, or even months and usually have release cycles and updates. Cyanogen, Virtuous, Enomther, Villain, and a few others make up these ROMs.
Hope that helps with your ROM quest. It can be a bit overwhelming but remember to ask, ask, ask, and then ask some more and also read, at least the OP (original post) and a few pages past that. Some people may get upset and flame you for it but most will be glad to help in any way.

If you flash a non-Sense ROM, you will miss the HTC camera app. Its far and away better than the stock Android one, and I haven't found any Market camera apps that measure up, either. Also, the camera button on the Sense builds seems much more responsive than on CM7.
Also, I'm not sure about this, but the Sense ROMs seem to have better or more hardware codecs for playing a wider array of video formats. Lots of the videos I've tried on CM7 and CM6 are only playable using software decoding (on a variety of players, but RockPlayer is my favorite) and end up super laggy (very low frame rate) and audio way out of sync. On stock Sense and Virtuous, those videos play fine, hardware decoding, silky smooth, and audio in sync.
There are some aesthetic stuff, like HTC does some pretty significant theme changes for Sense, and you will lose customizations like the HTC Skins. And you will lose the HTC widgets (like the clocks) and apps (stocks, weather). But as mentioned, there are lots of Market apps that pretty well simulate many of the Sense apps and widgets, or are very suitable replacements.

Thanks for the detailed replies guys.
KCRic, thanks for list of known ROMs that's basically what I wanted to know, and your Linux flavour comparison helped too
Redpoint, I'm not sure how often I'd ever use the camera anyway...when I get home I'll have to find some screens of the default camera. That being said, I see your ROM is Virtuous. Is that a Sense-like ROM in case I agree with you on the ca?era app?
Thanks!

Bloodlvst said:
Redpoint, I'm not sure how often I'd ever use the camera anyway...when I get home I'll have to find some screens of the default camera. That being said, I see your ROM is Virtuous. Is that a Sense-like ROM in case I agree with you on the ca?era app?
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Wow, you don't use the camera? I use it all the time, for those "spur of the moment" snapshots, or to quickly take a pic that I can MMS to a friend or family.
Yes, Virtuous is mostly stock Sense, but with some optimizations and with some extra features added. Its also based on the 1.85 ROM, one of the more recent stock Sense versions.
Guides, links for just about everything you can ever think of is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=916431
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ROM LIST
Sense ROMS
Gingerbread - Android 2.3
Shokouhi 2.0
Desire S G2 Port Sense2.1
Probably others.
Froyo - Android 2.2
Virtuous
Stock ROMS
Gingerbread - Android 2.3
CyanogenMod 7
Stock Gingerbread 1.7
iceandfire 1.7
Pyromod 1.2
GingerVillian 1.5
meXdroidMod
Froyo - Android 2.2
CyanogenMod 6
Others of unimportance now.
The Other ROMS
Gingerbread - Android 2.3
MIUI (The 2.3 one)
Froyo - Android 2.2
MIUI (The 2.2 one)
LiquidVillian (Or whatever it was called.)
I probably just wasted 10 minutes of my life doing this, but meh, it was something to do.
Now to kill myself since I had to listen to Nickelback through it. Damn 4Music.

I would hardly call CM7 (and ROMs based on it) "Stock".
Although "Non-Sense" is not a very good sounding name for that category, also.

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I would hardly call CM7 (and ROMs based on it) "Stock".
Although "Non-Sense" is not a very good sounding name for that category, also.
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AOSP Based.
There should be 2 categories. CM Based and AOSP.
But I don't think there are any AOSP ROMs. Which I hate, cos when people say they've built a stock ROM, but it's based on CyanogenMod.

redpoint73 said:
Wow, you don't use the camera? I use it all the time, for those "spur of the moment" snapshots, or to quickly take a pic that I can MMS to a friend or family.
Yes, Virtuous is mostly stock Sense, but with some optimizations and with some extra features added. Its also based on the 1.85 ROM, one of the more recent stock Sense versions.
Guides, links for just about everything you can ever think of is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=916431
BTW, be sure to click the "Thanks" button if you found responses to be helpful!
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So I'm guessing no one has cooked up a weird ROM that is like Cyanogen with the Sense camera app lol.
Anywho, I really only have a couple of questions now.
Would you recommend Gingerbread or Froyo? I'm guessing Gingerbread probably runs better / is better than Froyo, but it's hard to say.
Also, how easy is it to restore my phone to factory condition if I need to?
And finally, I read the wiki, it says to make sure I have the windows USB drivers installed...do I just throw those in my windows drivers folder?
EDIT: Wanted to add, the instructiosn for recovering to stock doesn't include the version. So any help there is appreciated.
Or you know, if any of you would be so kind to PM me / add me to IM if you've done this on a Bell phone in Canada that would be awesome too

The drivers go in your Android SDK folder, where ever adb resides. At least on XP and Vista that's the case - I'm not sure if the adb issue was ever resolved in Windows 7. You could always use VM linux or dual boot linux if you like, it's much easier imo. Wubi works too I think.
When it comes to Froyo vs. Gingerbread it's literally like a linux in the sense that one is completely stable and well known by this point (Froyo) an the other is bleeding edge, not stable at times, some things are just not compatible unless you port them, and peoples knowledge base on it isn't as thorough.
I've never returned this phone to stock, which I assume you mean s-on and no superuser permissions. So I have no idea how difficult it is, though I do know you need to make sure you 100% know what you're doing before attempting it - especially if you have s-off. It's a pandoras box if you mess it up.

Ah okay, I'll definitely stick with Froyo for now then. I've always stayed 1 version behidn with Fedora lol.
I did get the drivers working, made my gold card, about to downgrade my firmware.
Are the instructions the same for 1.84.666.2 ?
Edit: Successfully rooted. Now time to find a new ROM. thanks again for all the help. Quesiton though, I have no HSDPA icon anymore...do I need a new "radio" or something?

No, it will do that and some ROMs don't have either the 'H' or the 3G' icon - just depends on the developer. You can still flash a different radio - anyone listed in the G2 radio sticky will work, flash a few and see what works best for you.
There's also a radio version/.ril file issue being debated so you might check that thread too and flash the zip provided just to be safe. I think it's in the G2 questions forum but I can't remember.

[Q] What is the Best stable Sense 3.0 Rom?

what is the best sense 3.0 rom? and where do you find it.. and is there instructions for it as well..
thank you again all.. i am learning.. it takes time .. and i appreciate all your knowledge..

OK there's no "best" rom because each developer is different and every person like different things so you just have to do your homework start downloading and flashing different roms and you will see the one that's the "best" for you.
All of the as far as I know have instructions on the first page of the thread
I'm using WildStang83 Desire Inc HD. Here's the link try it I'm sure you will like it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1253492
Sent From My Optimized HTC Incredibly Dinc

Kratz17 said:
OK there's no "best" rom because each developer is different and every person like different things so you just have to do your homework start downloading and flashing different roms and you will see the one that's the "best" for you.
All of the as far as I know have instructions on the first page of the thread
I'm using WildStang83 Desire Inc HD. Here's the link try it I'm sure you will like it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1253492
Sent From My Optimized HTC Incredibly Dinc
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Yeah that one looks great so far.. does it have the weather animations also.. and live weather wallpaper animations..
thank you again..
it would be nice if there was a thread that had all the links to the different Sense 3.0 roms.. and or a thread that had links to all the good roms..

marsgrafx09 said:
Yeah that one looks great so far.. does it have the weather animations also.. and live weather wallpaper animations..
thank you again..
it would be nice if there was a thread that had all the links to the different Sense 3.0 roms.. and or a thread that had links to all the good roms..
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Yea it got both weather animation and live wallpaper weather animation
Sent From My Optimized HTC Incredibly Dinc

awesome thank you
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Yea it got both weather animation and live wallpaper weather animation
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awesome thank you

No problem we are here to help my friend
Sent From My Optimized HTC Incredibly Dinc

marsgrafx09 said:
Yeah that one looks great so far.. does it have the weather animations also.. and live weather wallpaper animations..
thank you again..
it would be nice if there was a thread that had all the links to the different Sense 3.0 roms.. and or a thread that had links to all the good roms..
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Today's your lucky day!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=969371

WOW
Bull_Moose said:
Today's your lucky day!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=969371
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Holy MOlly... wow .. thats alot.. i knew there was a list some where..
thank you..

which unrevoked do i use.. ?
which unrevoked do i use.. ?
is it easier to do it on mac ? or pc ?

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which unrevoked do i use.. ?
is it easier to do it on mac ? or pc ?
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Unrevoked3 or Unrevoked Forever? I've never messed with the latter but all it does is switch S-On to S-Off.
http://unrevoked.com/recovery/
Use caution and do some research before jumping right into all of this hacking and modding. You can really mess your phone up if you don't know what you're doing. (Not saying you don't, this is a "just in case" lol)
Also, I have only used it on PC but I doubt there's much of a difference.

I was wondering if the Sense 3.0 roms that have Gingerbread, are they using the same Gingerbread that we got from the OTA? Or are they using a ported Gingerbread?

Bull_Moose said:
Unrevoked3 or Unrevoked Forever? I've never messed with the latter but all it does is switch S-On to S-Off.
http://unrevoked.com/recovery/
Use caution and do some research before jumping right into all of this hacking and modding. You can really mess your phone up if you don't know what you're doing. (Not saying you don't, this is a "just in case" lol)
Also, I have only used it on PC but I doubt there's much of a difference.
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thank you .. I DONT know what i am doing ..YET.. i am trying to figure this out..
i dont want to mess my phone up. i love my Dinc.. but i want gingerbread and Sense 3.0..
i am def nervous about doing this.. i really wish there was an easier and step by step way to do this.. and someone who would help walk through it all ..

jakob95 said:
I was wondering if the Sense 3.0 roms that have Gingerbread, are they using the same Gingerbread that we got from the OTA? Or are they using a ported Gingerbread?
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I believe they are using a ported GB since most ROMs were made prior to the OTA. They may update their ROMs with the official one over time.
marsgrafx09 said:
thank you .. I DONT know what i am doing ..YET.. i am trying to figure this out..
i dont want to mess my phone up. i love my Dinc.. but i want gingerbread and Sense 3.0..
i am def nervous about doing this.. i really wish there was an easier and step by step way to do this.. and someone who would help walk through it all ..
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I think we were all nervous our first time, but it's really not that hard. Here's a video tutorial. Granted, he's using a Mac lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TLKhFlYbLo
Search YouTube or Google for other tutorials if you want to make sure.

I was wondering if most of these ROMs could even handle 3.0 or 3.5 on the Incredible, like does it lag or force close? Because I heard to run 3.0 good you need to have a Dual-Core processor.

jakob95 said:
I was wondering if most of these ROMs could even handle 3.0 or 3.5 on the Incredible, like does it lag or force close? Because I heard to run 3.0 good you need to have a Dual-Core processor.
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The ROMs with 3.0 ported from the Desire run very smooth. Other than that they run a little laggy, but not bad.
I'm running Sense 3.5 ported from the Bliss at the moment. It's not too laggy but not as snappy as it could be had it been made for a single core device. There's a 3.5 leak which was built for a 1.5ghz phone floating around that may spawn some new ROMs for our beloved Incredible.
EDIT: Not five minutes after I posted this, look what I came across: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1262492

Why are some of these ROMs not on the list?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=969371
Another thing which ROM would be better for a person like me? All I want is a new version of Sense and for it to run smoothly and not cause me trouble.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1253492
or
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1175842
Which do you know is faster? Are any of the two based on the Incredibles 2.3 update? Or its a ported 2.3?

jakob95 said:
Why are some of these ROMs not on the list?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=969371
Another thing which ROM would be better for a person like me? All I want is a new version of Sense and for it to run smoothly and not cause me trouble.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1253492
or
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1175842
Which do you know is faster? Are any of the two based on the Incredibles 2.3 update? Or its a ported 2.3?
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The list just may not be updated yet.
As for the two linked to, I have used both and found that Desired Inc runs smoother than Nils' Business Gingersense 3.0. HOWEVER, I would strongly recommend you check out Nils' Business Gingersense 2.1/3.0. It has elements of both versions of Sense and is amazing. It's FAST, has a ton of features, stable, and is very pleasing to the eyes. By far my favorite ROM.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1104883

Bull_Moose said:
The list just may not be updated yet.
As for the two linked to, I have used both and found that Desired Inc runs smoother than Nils' Business Gingersense 3.0. HOWEVER, I would strongly recommend you check out Nils' Business Gingersense 2.1/3.0. It has elements of both versions of Sense and is amazing. It's FAST, has a ton of features, stable, and is very pleasing to the eyes. By far my favorite ROM.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1104883
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What do you mean it has elements of both versions? So its basically 2.1 but themed like 3.0?
And how about http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1253271 that ROM how does it compare to the Desired Inc ROM/Gingersence 2.1/3.0?

jakob95 said:
What do you mean it has elements of both versions? So its basically 2.1 but themed like 3.0?
And how about http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1253271 that ROM how does it compare to the Desired Inc ROM/Gingersence 2.1/3.0?
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His 2.1/3.0 hybrid has 3.0 widgets and apps whereas the ROM itself is built on a 2.1 base. (I think, don't quote me on it) Either way, it's a damn good ROM.
I've never used Ace Revolution. Nearly everything Joelz puts out gets high praise so you can try it. Some have reported losing root but that can be fixed by restoring an old backup.

Bull_Moose said:
His 2.1/3.0 hybrid has 3.0 widgets and apps whereas the ROM itself is built on a 2.1 base. (I think, don't quote me on it) Either way, it's a damn good ROM.
I've never used Ace Revolution. Nearly everything Joelz puts out gets high praise so you can try it. Some have reported losing root but that can be fixed by restoring an old backup.
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It would be faster to be on the 2.1 right? I was wondering whats faster the Nils rom or the regular stock 2.3?