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i own a large amount of htc phones, but my mainphones have always been wizard/hermes sofar. I recently bought a universal, but it's too much phone for me. Too big/i live in a bad triband area. i hate to part with it but ehwell.
my question is, i bought a kaiser yesterday. theres android ports for it, whats the speed of them like?
preferbaly a comparinson to the droid eris, it's the only android phone i've played with.
any input would be apperciated, thanksguys!
Kaiser/Tilt
I have two of them running Android. One is Using the Polyrythmic version the other is the KaiserDroid. Both seem to operate well. I like polyrythmics and Im using it for a daily phone. The other Im still toying with. I suggest you read both threads and make sure you understand what youre doing before you do it.Dont fall into the traps that are well documented. Good luck
What I have noticed
I am using Polyrythmic 2.1b, and love it. I have gone though a few versions with them, in Haret and NAND. I have found that the NAND is faster if you are willing to take the full plunge. I only have one phone and feel fully confident in the release that it has been my daily release since the 2/23/10. A few things don’t work, but they were not biggie items to me. Read as much as you can before making the plunge.
Have to say, both the main eclair versions of android are very good, and there are a number of other flavours as well, myn's warm donut is getting good reviews also.
Recommendations? personally I divide my time between Polymod and Kaiserdroid, and have tried another few 'distros' as well.
The main questions to ask before using android are :
Do I need a working Camera?
Do I need working Bluetooth?
Do I need reliable GPS?
Have I read the Stickies in the ROM development section, and/or flashed HardSPL, upgraded my radio, unlocked security,cid and sim?
If any of the first 3 are 'Yes I MUST have these working' then android is not yet ready for you, there is still some work to be done in these areas.
If you answered the last with 'WTF is HardSPL and why do I need it?' then
you are not yet ready for Android
If you know all this stuff already, then my main advice is this:
Run from Sd card, try a few different distros, get used to the installer, learn what panel type, keyboard and resolution suit your device best, and then it's time for the whole Nand experience
im not going to run into any problems flashing it, i've got no worried about that.
but nobody answered, a) is it faster than wm6 and b) whats the performance hit compared to a native android device?
a) Yes for almost everything I use it's faster than WM6. It has a much faster graphics driver, smoother animations and scrolling, MUCH faster screen rotation. Browsing is faster, messaging is faster, soft keyboard and touch events are MUCH better, SSH is much faster, browsing through photos is faster...
b) Depends on the build. Donut builds are basically as fast as a native device, Eclair builds are fast enough for daily use and getting faster all the time.
Donut runs great and is the most stable, much better user experience than windows all around.
Eclair if you can tweak it to suit you then its a great OS. Probably runs about the same speed as a windows on the kaiser. Still a little glitchy and for the most part all are still in beta form
Tattoo or Hero would be great if speed wasn't an issue
Alright i've recieved the kaiser, i've put kaiserdroid+droidion donut+polys version.
polys ran like hell, im unsure why. maybe ill try off nand, shame becasue its gsm was the only one that half worked.
they accept wifi-on, get an ip, but refuse to actually ping or visit a site. anyone have any input on this?
thanks.
i think most stable rom is here: [Android]The Android Thread [Site Update] on this rom dont work only bluetooth. else everythink other working fully. (exclude market.. it works but when i search ASTRO F. M. it show error something about bad network, but im connected with wifi) but i think its old rom whithout some new functions
I'm not entirely new to Android, I just haven't had a dedicated android phone for more than 3 weeks.
Coming from WM6.5.x on a Touch Pro, even the best ROMs I've installed seem to deteriorate and act weird after a certain amount of time (2 weeks or so).
Has anyone experienced the same behavior with customs ROMs on Android? I'm wondering what the differences are between SIM unlocking a WM device and rooting an android device.
With an expensive device like the EVO, I'm wondering if it's worth rooting it.
Sorry I couldn't think of a better word than "decay" in the subject.
ROM "performance" fragments over time as you write data to the NAND. While not the same, the idea is synonymous with data fragmentation on a HDD. The point is that over time, performance will slow down some, and a "fresh load" of an OS, be it Android, Windows Mobile, Linux or Windows, will always perform better than a dated install.
That said, I've never experienced degradation other than some performance slow down--never had functionality/features break or otherwise behave erratically.
Case in point, my phone batteries now decharge quicker because my screen doesn't turn off after I get an email or something like that. This is the best it's been. Some other ROMs in the past have had weirder effects on the TP, but I can't seem to recollect exactly what they were. sorry. I think mainly they've been related to Manilla.
I can second the usage of WM 6.5 (custom rom) getting worse over time. Ive got one now Im limping along until the 4th. I use SBP Clone on mine s I can reload my ROM when it gets too bad and then use PIMBackup to restore my calls/txt/emails ECT but it still gets aggravating having to do that.
Im hoping for more and something better with Android.
Running damagecontroll's rom on my sprint hero, no problems at all, no instabilities or anything.
davebu said:
Running damagecontroll's rom on my sprint hero, no problems at all, no instabilities or anything.
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That's good to hear, thanks for the feedback.
ya no problem here with different roms..you probably wont see a million different roms like you see on windows mobile
I'm looking to change the whole system on my phone. I see that someone made an android version and I'm very interested in that.
What I didn't see were side effects, problems or errors. I CAN NOT stand the new update to my ATT Tilt2. HTC Sense is horrible. Everything is slow and I've just reduced the "today" to windows default.
Will switching the opperating system screw everything up?? Can I still use my phone after doing so?
Thanks.
Had you read the very first post in the XDAndroid thread you would have seen that a number of very important things do not work and may never will. If BT, headphone use, WMA playback, battery life and a host of other things are important to you, then you're stuck with WinMo. XDAndroid is limited to being on an SD card, it does not have any way to replace your existing ROM. Best bet is to read up on some of the cooked ROMs in the ROM Development subforum and find one that is closer to what you want.
Running XDAndroid will not hurt your phone, but it is not a replacement as it is slow, crippled and chews through the battery. It is more of an introduction to Android, not an alternative to WinMo on our phones.
Miami_Son pretty much sums it up. Android on the TP2/Tilt2 is not a full working ROM at this point. More a proof of concept or working project. You have to still boot it from Windows Mobile, and it resides entirely on your SD card. And as it says, some pretty important stuff doesn't work at all, and its laggy in general.
Also as he said, read up on flashing a custom ROM, and highly recommended to do it. You will likely be much happier. I have the simplicity ROM on my Tilt2, and it runs really smooth and fast. I removed the stock ROM back in May, so I've never actually flashed the "new" update. But once I removed the original shipped ROM and flashed a custom, I was blown away at how much faster, more stable, and more functional the phone became.
I've got a lovely rooted, unlocked LGOG LS-970 plugged in right next to me. But, I'm finding myself feeling a little left behind in more than one instance:
I've got the impression that swapping AOSP and stock ROMs is a finicky task with our LGOGs. It's really a chore; as far as I can tell, I have to wipe internal data coming from either camp. And I can't even switch from Vectus to any other stock ROM successfully without wiping internal data.
Is this par for the course?
Insofar as the stock playground goes, I'm only able to get up to the 1.22 Liberty Kernal; if I run any of the OC'd ones, the phone lags considerably, especially at boot, and doesn't read that it's clocking higher than 16ghz even when max is set to 17 or 18ghz. Burning hot or cool, same same.
I've doodled around a bunch trying to get the more recent Liberties to work, to no avail. I've had a bit more luck with TricksterMod than ROM Toolbox Pro, but no one else in that thread seems to be having similar issues (or has given advice I haven't tried out).
Welp! Just a general "hey? you smell that too?" inquiry.
And I think this is my first thread. Party.
ihitcows said:
I've got a lovely rooted, unlocked LGOG LS-970 plugged in right next to me. But, I'm finding myself feeling a little left behind in more than one instance:
I've got the impression that swapping AOSP and stock ROMs is a finicky task with our LGOGs. It's really a chore; as far as I can tell, I have to wipe internal data coming from either camp. And I can't even switch from Vectus to any other stock ROM successfully without wiping internal data.
Is this par for the course?
Insofar as the stock playground goes, I'm only able to get up to the 1.22 Liberty Kernal; if I run any of the OC'd ones, the phone lags considerably, especially at boot, and doesn't read that it's clocking higher than 16ghz even when max is set to 17 or 18ghz. Burning hot or cool, same same.
I've doodled around a bunch trying to get the more recent Liberties to work, to no avail. I've had a bit more luck with TricksterMod than ROM Toolbox Pro, but no one else in that thread seems to be having similar issues (or has given advice I haven't tried out).
Welp! Just a general "hey? you smell that too?" inquiry.
And I think this is my first thread. Party.
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I'm not sure what your question is......par for the course? I wish I could say no. But, I've been rooting and ROMing phones since 2010, when I got the HD2 and could not believe the Windows 6.5 garbage that came installed. I've rooted, ROMed, and customized 7 different phones in the time and so far the only phone I had MORE trouble with was the G2x. God, that phone almost swore me off of LG for good. When the Nexus 4 came out, I decided to take another chance. But, I digress. The fact of having to wipe internal memory is not the end of the world. It does not dump your files, only your memory related to the ROM(app cache, data, etc) As far as OCing is concerned, I've found that OCing is not the end of the world either. Not too long ago, phones weren't very fast, and OCing was a viable option to get a little more speed out of the device. We have one of the fastest phones made these days, so OCing shouldn't be that big of a deal,and you won't notice distinguishable speed differences anyway(I tried with my N4; it would over clock, and seem a LITTLE faster, but that was all) As for switching between 'stock' and 'custom' ROMs, I'm afraid that is kinda par for the course. I personally believe the issue stems from most stock ROMs being 4.1.2, and most custom ROMs being 4.2.2. But, I have no real proof of that, just a suspicion. If you are rooted and unlocked, and want to try something different than stock, try one of the builds I make (JellyBeer, Beanstalk, and CM10.1/Linaro). The custom ROMs are not without their quirks, so if you need complete and total stabilty, they may not be for you. But, they are cool to use and you may like them enough to look the other way at the occasional hiccup, I do. The CM/Linaro build is a good stock-ish ROM with some added speed that has been noticed by the users of it. If you prefer a total stock feel, try Lifeless or Vectus. Both are very well made and those who use them swear by them. Be cool. PM me if you need any help with anything. Oh, and watch out for those cows!
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I'm not sure what your question is......par for the course? I wish I could say no. But, I've been rooting and ROMing phones since 2010, when I got the HD2 and could not believe the Windows 6.5 garbage that came installed. I've rooted, ROMed, and customized 7 different phones in the time and so far the only phone I had MORE trouble with was the G2x. God, that phone almost swore me off of LG for good. When the Nexus 4 came out, I decided to take another chance. But, I digress. The fact of having to wipe internal memory is not the end of the world. It does not dump your files, only your memory related to the ROM(app cache, data, etc) As far as OCing is concerned, I've found that OCing is not the end of the world either. Not too long ago, phones weren't very fast, and OCing was a viable option to get a little more speed out of the device. We have one of the fastest phones made these days, so OCing shouldn't be that big of a deal,and you won't notice distinguishable speed differences anyway(I tried with my N4; it would over clock, and seem a LITTLE faster, but that was all) As for switching between 'stock' and 'custom' ROMs, I'm afraid that is kinda par for the course. I personally believe the issue stems from most stock ROMs being 4.1.2, and most custom ROMs being 4.2.2. But, I have no real proof of that, just a suspicion. If you are rooted and unlocked, and want to try something different than stock, try one of the builds I make (JellyBeer, Beanstalk, and CM10.1/Linaro). The custom ROMs are not without their quirks, so if you need complete and total stabilty, they may not be for you. But, they are cool to use and you may like them enough to look the other way at the occasional hiccup, I do. The CM/Linaro build is a good stock-ish ROM with some added speed that has been noticed by the users of it. If you prefer a total stock feel, try Lifeless or Vectus. Both are very well made and those who use them swear by them. Be cool. PM me if you need any help with anything. Oh, and watch out for those cows!
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Yuppo. I just did some backuping, and factory-, data-, and delvik-wiped Lifelessv14 three times to flaash the latest Vectus V3.
"FAILED"
Doh! Again?!
Fair enough. Even though it's stock-to-stock, stuff happens. I have backups.
Insofar as overclocking, it's not so much that I'd like to push the phone faster (this phone, we know, is fast), but that I just couldn't figure out why, after a fair amount of trials, I wasn't able to, when, seemingly, many others could.
Basically, I want to ask, when you say wiping internal data doesn't dump your files, which files do you mean? My /sdcard gets dumped.
... Incomiiing! *mooooo*
EDIT: But, then again, I just sideloaded it and it said "FAILED," and booted. Who'da thunk?
I've been getting frustrated with the stock lollipop firmware on this device. Just doesn't feel snappy enough, but I seem to remember the device being quite good when I first got it. Had a few questions about stock as well as custom ROMs for this device:
1) Does anybody know if I can downgrade to one of the kitkat firmwares? Perhaps those will be more responsive than the LL ones. Note that I am currently running Resurrection Remix on it, but it was updated to the last LL ROM before I switched to RR, so the bootloader is the latest one out there.
2) I tried Lineage and RR custom ROMs .. Lineage was very buggy, while RR was quite stable. However, RR is not very responsive either, and it does not seem like the team is maintaining it anymore, because I have not seen any updates in a while and for some reason they made it near impossible to do an OTA update! Have not tried any of the unofficial custom ROMS. Anybody have any suggestions on a good one?
I use the device exclusively to read on and write with. I don't do any media, no games, no nothing else. Looking for the leanest and smoothest experience I can get for this use case. Any suggestions?
I don't care about knox and have rooted the device on stock LL successfully (I even have a guide here on how to patch the boot images to make it happen) ... Would going back to stock and then rooting, debloating and using a custom kernel deliver better results for my use case?
Any and all suggestions appreciated. Just don't ask me to go out and buy a new tablet This thing is in good shape and all I want to do with it is make it a glorified e-book reader, that shouldn't be too hard, right?
Thanks,
Karthik
I think the mistake you're making is that you have a newer phone... The newer hardware is blitzingly fast in comparison to the older hardware.
You need to remember, this tablet is almost 6 years old...
That said, you might get a bit more speed out of a newer kernel and OS but a factory reset might work just as well.
If you fill up the internal storage the tablet WILL lag big time...
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I think the mistake you're making is that you have a newer phone... The newer hardware is blitzingly fast in comparison to the older hardware.
You need to remember, this tablet is almost 6 years old...
That said, you might get a bit more speed out of a newer kernel and OS but a factory reset might work just as well.
If you fill up the internal storage the tablet WILL lag big time...
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You are 100% right about the new phone messing up the experience. And already did the reset, and the internal storage is EMPTY, just the OS and a bunch of pdfs and epubs for me to read, nothing else on it, apps are minimal too.
Knowing that the hardware is old, I suppose what I would really like to do is slim down the OS and overheads to such an extent that the tablet is basically a glorified ebook reader. I just want the scrolling, selection, notes taking and so on to be as smooth as it can be.
I ended up using the ElementalX kernel manager to set the governors and whatever else I could find to "Performance" and already it made a noticeable difference when I read. But when I type in Word, there is still the occasional stutter that bugs me. I have not put a custom kernel on there yet, mainly because I wanted to do both ROM and kernel all at once. It seems like RR is no longer updating for this device, so I might have to move back to Lineage, but I wonder if the community can suggest any other ROMs that are good. Again, its not that I need the updates or care about being on the latest Android version, but RR is not as good as I want right now, and without future updates it means its as good as its going to get.
What would be great is a way to go back to stock TW, root it and then strip it bare, load a custom kernel in there and tweak the crap out of it for performance (don't even care about battery) ... Too much to ask?
You should be able to go back to stock using ODIN - you will have to root again.
Then you could use a debloater script or app to kill off all the functions you don't want/need.
Using an sd card may also slow down the system a bit as it is a bottleneck to the faster internal storage but if you have the 32gb version that should be enough to have a library on it as an ebook reader and still have room for word processing...
I'm waiting to see how the new Lineage rom develops before committing to it as development has slowed or petered out on other roms I found of interest.
Also one last thing to consider, you only have 3gb of ram on your 10.1 2014 edition... This will slow things down A LOT...
Most phones now have at least 4gb of ram so your already behind...
If you want to see slow, dust off an old phone or tablet that has only 1 or 2gb ram... Seriously, it feels like waiting forever.
Tthat's all I have for you other than trying to get the stock rom from Sammobile.com...
Cheers...
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You should be able to go back to stock using ODIN - you will have to root again..
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Yes, but for some reason the last time I did this, I ended up with a bootloop that was only resolved by going back to Lineage. I will try this again though. Bigger question is whether I can only go back to stock 5.x ROM or downgrade back to 4.x ROM. I would like to go back to 4.x because I feel that might be faster and smoother, but to be perfectly honest, I don't remember!
I don't have a memory card either, 32 gig version and its enough for my use, especially with cloud storage doing the heavy lifting.
I just switched back to Lineage from RR because, for some reason MS Word was having difficulty understanding that it was running on a small tablet (wouldn't let me save without Office 365 because it thought I was using a bigger device) ... Lineage is REALLY slow compared to RR, not sure why this is. Going to play with the kernel settings and look for some custom kernels and see if that makes a difference. If not, goodbye to Lineage and back to stock with root and kernel tweaks.
Are there even any other ROMs still being updated? I see unofficial Lineage 16, but not really sure if I should be getting that ambitious!
Maybe I should spend some time looking up ROM build guides and try my hand at making a clean 'e-reader ROM'
Yes, the RAM thing is a problem certainly, but I figure killing everything else and using it exclusively for reading and writing should not be bottle-necked by 3gigs of RAM. However, I do know what you mean about using an old phone with 1 or 2 gigs, and its a NIGHTMARE!
Sammobile doesn't let me download the older ROMs anymore without coughing up for a premium account. But thankfully, I found some other sources to get me the other ROMs, so phew, thats a relief...
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Yes, but for some reason the last time I did this, I ended up with a bootloop that was only resolved by going back to Lineage. I will try this again though. Bigger question is whether I can only go back to stock 5.x ROM or downgrade back to 4.x ROM. I would like to go back to 4.x because I feel that might be faster and smoother, but to be perfectly honest, I don't remember!
I don't have a memory card either, 32 gig version and its enough for my use, especially with cloud storage doing the heavy lifting.
I just switched back to Lineage from RR because, for some reason MS Word was having difficulty understanding that it was running on a small tablet (wouldn't let me save without Office 365 because it thought I was using a bigger device) ... Lineage is REALLY slow compared to RR, not sure why this is. Going to play with the kernel settings and look for some custom kernels and see if that makes a difference. If not, goodbye to Lineage and back to stock with root and kernel tweaks.
Are there even any other ROMs still being updated? I see unofficial Lineage 16, but not really sure if I should be getting that ambitious!
Maybe I should spend some time looking up ROM build guides and try my hand at making a clean 'e-reader ROM'
Yes, the RAM thing is a problem certainly, but I figure killing everything else and using it exclusively for reading and writing should not be bottle-necked by 3gigs of RAM. However, I do know what you mean about using an old phone with 1 or 2 gigs, and its a NIGHTMARE!
Sammobile doesn't let me download the older ROMs anymore without coughing up for a premium account. But thankfully, I found some other sources to get me the other ROMs, so phew, thats a relief...
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If you get bootloop, you need to wipe device completely...