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Question about Nandroid backup..

I'm new to Rooting and I was wondering if I flashed lets say to a new rom weather it is 2.2 or 2.1 and I don't like it or something dosen't work. Can I just flash the most current nandroid backup to return or do I have to flash the old rom that I was using then the nandroid backup on top of that ??
Using Rooted Evo with OMJ update 147.651.1

You sure can as long as the new ROM you flash is also a rooted ROM.

So basically I can jump from rom to rom to see what I like and just flash my backup to return to the original.... Cool.thanks
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Just returned to a nand backup last night. First time ever and worked fine...(I did a titanium backup first as had messages and app changes.)

How perfect, a simple search answered my exactl question.
I can run three roms and as long asI refresh my nandroids before flipping to another to restore I will miss very little. Only issue I can think of is let's say I run stock rooted for a week, and flip to a nandroid of CM6 for a week, then back to stock rooted...I would not have text messages from that time. I can fix that with TiBackup.
Am I missing anything? And, thanks to the people making me do all this stuff to my phone

uniquenameevo said:
How perfect, a simple search answered my exactl question.
I can run three roms and as long asI refresh my nandroids before flipping to another to restore I will miss very little. Only issue I can think of is let's say I run stock rooted for a week, and flip to a nandroid of CM6 for a week, then back to stock rooted...I would not have text messages from that time. I can fix that with TiBackup.
Am I missing anything? And, thanks to the people making me do all this stuff to my phone
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Nope you havent missed anything Thats what i do all the time I believe for a certain period of time something else backs up texts as well because i often get all my texts back after a few minutes even those after the nandroid.

I've seen people having issues when using Titanium to restore apps and data from a 2.1 backup to 2.2 rom and vice versa. I think if you're just cycling between 2.2 roms, you should be ok though.

All I needed to know, thanks!
I'll only rotate 2.2 roms, no need to look back, but I appreciate that note also.

fachadick said:
I've seen people having issues when using Titanium to restore apps and data from a 2.1 backup to 2.2 rom and vice versa. I think if you're just cycling between 2.2 roms, you should be ok though.
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I use MyBackup to backup APKS+DATA when jumping from 2.1 to 2.2 and vice versa ROMS without issue. Love it, love it.

fachadick said:
I've seen people having issues when using Titanium to restore apps and data from a 2.1 backup to 2.2 rom and vice versa. I think if you're just cycling between 2.2 roms, you should be ok though.
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I have been cycling between the 2 a LOT here is what i have found works. when you select to restore all apps/data look through the list and uncheck all the 2.1 system apps (ie checkin_update 2.1, google_search_update 2.1) once you do this you can restore everything else no problem. I have used ths method at least 10 times with no issues back and forth. If you backed up on 2.2 do the same thing just uncheck the 2.2 version of this information.

Can someone clarify the difference between backing up via:
#1 Nandroid
#2 Titanium Backup
What exactly is or isn't backed up? I'm assuming Nandroid misses certain things otherwise no one would use TB?

berardi said:
Can someone clarify the difference between backing up via:
#1 Nandroid
#2 Titanium Backup
What exactly is or isn't backed up? I'm assuming Nandroid misses certain things otherwise no one would use TB?
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titanium backup is just for apps
nandroid restore is like restoring an image of your hard drive to your pc. it not only restores the apps, but the entire ROM (barring radio and wimax radio).
i.e., you have a ROM going. you use titanium backup to backup your apps. then, do a nandroid backup and flash an entire new ROM. then, you could use titanium backup to put the apps back on. then, you would use nandroid restore to go back to the old ROM, completely. with nandroid, you can flip-flop between ROMs with everything that you had when you backed it up.

timothydonohue said:
titanium backup is just for apps
nandroid restore is like restoring an image of your hard drive to your pc. it not only restores the apps, but the entire ROM (barring radio and wimax radio).
i.e., you have a ROM going. you use titanium backup to backup your apps. then, do a nandroid backup and flash an entire new ROM. then, you could use titanium backup to put the apps back on. then, you would use nandroid restore to go back to the old ROM, completely. with nandroid, you can flip-flop between ROMs with everything that you had when you backed it up.
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Thank you so much that makes it quite clear! I was struggling with that for a while
So Titanium Backup backs things up that are generally able to be carried from one ROM to the next without problem? I noticed that it also does backup system settings (notifications, etc) which is great. These things generally won't corrupt a new ROM file right?
So with 2.2 backing up apps and their data, the main draw of TB would be the backing up of system settings?

How long does it take to complete a nandroid restore? I tried to restore a backup yesterday and it was taking over three hours! I said f' it and pulled out the battery, luckily I was able to boot into recovery and wipe/flash fresh's 2.2 ROM from scratch.

XevoX said:
How long does it take to complete a nandroid restore? I tried to restore a backup yesterday and it was taking over three hours! I said f' it and pulled out the battery, luckily I was able to boot into recovery and wipe/flash fresh's 2.2 ROM from scratch.
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Should only take 5 minutes or so, about as long as it takes to flash a new ROM.
berardi said:
Thank you so much that makes it quite clear! I was struggling with that for a while
So Titanium Backup backs things up that are generally able to be carried from one ROM to the next without problem? I noticed that it also does backup system settings (notifications, etc) which is great. These things generally won't corrupt a new ROM file right?
So with 2.2 backing up apps and their data, the main draw of TB would be the backing up of system settings?
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Yes, but it could potentially be problematic to just start restoring things in bulk from a TB backup between different ROMs, even if they are the same base build. Read flipz's rant on the subject.

[Q] Nandroid back up/Titanium backup questions

So what is the different between a nandroid backup and a backup using titanium backup? What is being saved with either? I hear using titanium back up is a "full" backup. What is titanium backup used for if you are already rooted...wouldn't you already have a custom recovery like amon ra or cwm?
If I do a nandroid back up on stock 2.2 rooted, can i do the same back up while I'm on a custom ROM? Where is this "backup" being saved to? Can i have multiple backups for different ROMS?

Nandroid is more like creating an image backup of your operating system, it backs up both your rom and apps. Titanium just backups app, their data and if you choose system settings.
Swyped from my EVO running CyanogenMod 6.1 RC 1

techdude54 said:
Nandroid is more like creating an image backup of your operating system, it backs up both your rom and apps. Titanium just backups app, their data and if you choose system settings.
Swyped from my EVO running CyanogenMod 6.1 RC 1
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In what situation would i use titanium back up with a rooted evo?

Titanium backs up your app and data from your phone. I am rooted and I use it when I need it, when I want to re install apps when I switch roms.
Using my HTC Evo phone which I'm using Xda app to post

evo4gfan said:
So what is the different between a nandroid backup and a backup using titanium backup? What is being saved with either? I hear using titanium back up is a "full" backup. What is titanium backup used for if you are already rooted...wouldn't you already have a custom recovery like amon ra or cwm?
If I do a nandroid back up on stock 2.2 rooted, can i do the same back up while I'm on a custom ROM? Where is this "backup" being saved to? Can i have multiple backups for different ROMS?
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Think of Nandroid Backup as a system restore point you would create on your PC and if for some reason you installed something on your PC and it makes your PC unstable, you can do a system restore and go back to when your PC was acting perfectly. (So for your EVO...you create a nandroid...messed around with your phone and screw everything up...Power up into bootloader (or reboot into recovery)...go into recovery and restore your nandroid backup)
Titanium is for you to back everything to your SD card right before you decide to WIPE DATA, CACHE & DALVIK/CACHE to flash a NEW ROM. After you flash the NEW ROM...your phone will be like a new phone you just received out of box...you have to set everything up on it. So instead of spending hours, you swill only spend a few minutes doing everything. 1st and foremost, sign back into Google Market, download Titanium and tell it to restore all apps...data, etc. Not sure if Titanium backups home and system stuff, I use Mybackup Pro and it does...it has everything configured the way I originally had it on the previous ROM...all I do is set up all my POP mail accounts and sign back into Twitter...Facebook...etc.

honeyBfly said:
Think of Nandroid Backup as a system restore point you would create on your PC and if for some reason you installed something on your PC and it makes your PC unstable, you can do a system restore and go back to when your PC was acting perfectly. (So for your EVO...you create a nandroid...messed around with your phone and screw everything up...Power up into bootloader (or reboot into recovery)...go into recovery and restore your nandroid backup)
Titanium is for you to back everything to your SD card right before you decide to WIPE DATA, CACHE & DALVIK/CACHE to flash a NEW ROM. After you flash the NEW ROM...your phone will be like a new phone you just received out of box...you have to set everything up on it. So instead of spending hours, you swill only spend a few minutes doing everything. 1st and foremost, sign back into Google Market, download Titanium and tell it to restore all apps...data, etc. Not sure if Titanium backups home and system stuff, I use Mybackup Pro and it does...it has everything configured the way I originally had it on the previous ROM...all I do is set up all my POP mail accounts and sign back into Twitter...Facebook...etc.
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okay that makes sense. So whenever i flash a new rom, do I need to download titanium back (or MybackupPro) again on the new rom to get the data back? I can't locate the saved file from my sd card?

evo4gfan said:
okay that makes sense. So whenever i flash a new rom, do I need to download titanium back (or MybackupPro) again on the new rom to get the data back? I can't locate the saved file from my sd card?
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Yes
Swyped from my EVO running CyanogenMod 6.1 RC 1

honeyBfly said:
Think of Nandroid Backup as a system restore point you would create on your PC and if for some reason you installed something on your PC and it makes your PC unstable, you can do a system restore and go back to when your PC was acting perfectly. (So for your EVO...you create a nandroid...messed around with your phone and screw everything up...Power up into bootloader (or reboot into recovery)...go into recovery and restore your nandroid backup)
Titanium is for you to back everything to your SD card right before you decide to WIPE DATA, CACHE & DALVIK/CACHE to flash a NEW ROM. After you flash the NEW ROM...your phone will be like a new phone you just received out of box...you have to set everything up on it. So instead of spending hours, you swill only spend a few minutes doing everything. 1st and foremost, sign back into Google Market, download Titanium and tell it to restore all apps...data, etc. Not sure if Titanium backups home and system stuff, I use Mybackup Pro and it does...it has everything configured the way I originally had it on the previous ROM...all I do is set up all my POP mail accounts and sign back into Twitter...Facebook...etc.
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I use Titanium Backup for backing up data and restoring it on a new ROM a lot. Before I flash a new ROM I always do a complete Titanium Backup and a nandroid backup. If the flash fails I restore from my nandroid backup and if the flash works I load my apps back with Titanium Backup (that way all my saved data on things like games is there and I don't have to start over).
I will caution against doing a restore of everything on a new ROM though (mostly a problem if you're going from something like a stock Evo based ROM to a AOSP ROM). I've had some issues when I restored a few system files (accounts database for example). If you stick with installable applications you shouldn't run into any trouble though (also I've had no problems restoring my call log and text message database).

When you are in Titanium Backup, when you hit menu and select more you can create a flashable .zip so that after flashing a new rom or resetting the device you don't have to log into the market to reinstall. Makes life a lot easier.

Tuffgong4 said:
When you are in Titanium Backup, when you hit menu and select more you can create a flashable .zip so that after flashing a new rom or resetting the device you don't have to log into the market to reinstall. Makes life a lot easier.
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I didn't know that, thanks for the tip.

[Q] Titanium backup

So I'm flashing all the different roms trying to figure out which I like best, but Titanium backup is not really working. For instance, I backed up everything app+data using ti backup, flash, then try to restore an app+data, or just data, or just app via ti backup and I get a FC regardless of the app. Have to start from scratch each flash for all my apps. What am I doing wrong? i purchased full version ti backup.

Hmm you could try using the free version just to restore them, worked for me.
Swyped from my sexy EVO.

try this. to back up, hit menu, then batch. select backup all user apps+data. dont select system data it is very glitchy. then on the new rom, install tb, then choose menu, batch, and one of the blue icons will have what you need.
you may also want to backup desktop htc sense [1.00] its your desktop layout.

[Q] Doing a nandroid backup

If I flash a new Rom and I boot into recovery and restore my backup via nandroid backup
Will all my apps and homescreens be the way I set them before i went to the new rom?

However you settup your rom, what apps you installed, wallpaper, themes etc, when you make a nandroid backup it backups the entire rom as it is, and when you restore it will put it back just like it was before you did your nandroid backup.
so in other words, yes

Cool so lets say I decide to go with a different Rom...and I restore my backup in the Recovery. Would it put all my apps and and screens the way I had my other Rom? or would it put my old Rom and stuff back on there?
nosympathy said:
However you settup your rom, what apps you installed, wallpaper, themes etc, when you make a nandroid backup it backups the entire rom as it is, and when you restore it will put it back just like it was before you did your nandroid backup.
so in other words, yes
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It would put your apps & widgets etc back where they were, but your rom will be whatever it was when you did the backup.
For example, if you're running cm 6 & run a backup then flash something like myn's (just as an example), then restore your backup after flashing the new rom, you'll be back on cm6. There isn't a good way to backup homescreens. If you backup & restore in ADW Ex, I know it'll restore your shortcuts but not widgets. I'm not sure about other launchers.

ah, yeah I understand. What a bummer! It's always a pain in the butt to put everything back. Thanks!
plainjane said:
It would put your apps & widgets etc back where they were, but your rom will be whatever it was when you did the backup.
For example, if you're running cm 6 & run a backup then flash something like myn's (just as an example), then restore your backup after flashing the new rom, you'll be back on cm6. There isn't a good way to backup homescreens. If you backup & restore in ADW Ex, I know it'll restore your shortcuts but not widgets. I'm not sure about other launchers.
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Use Titanium backup it'll back up ur apps and there data so if u use a launcher it backs up the layout
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It's not really that difficult to restore apps and homescreens. Use Titanium backup to restore apps and data between roms (I wouldn't recommend restoring system apps though). Another option is MyBackup Pro, which can restore apps+data and also does "Android Home" backups aka homescreens, except for the widgets. If you use LauncherPro Plus, you can make a backup of your homescreens and restore it when you re-install LPP, except for widgets on your homescreen like MBPro.

steveojp said:
ah, yeah I understand. What a bummer! It's always a pain in the butt to put everything back. Thanks!
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Mybackup restores all of my settings, screens, etc.

Help with Golauncher Backup Restore

Ok Something was hinky with my device so I had to do what I most assuredly did not want to do. factory reset and reinstall.
I know how to make a backup now from recovery but alas I need to do a wipe and clean install before I can MAKE a usable backup.
so I backup as much as I can. contacts settings for different programs etc..
my BIG pet peeve was my go launcher screens. I HAVE A LOT of stuff I really really really did not want to reinstall and reconfigure.
so I backed up golauncher settings.
I wipe. I reinstall. before I "restore" go launcher settings I first go down my checklist and reinstall all the apps and widgets its going to use BEFORE I restore go launcher.
all installed all working.
I restore go launcher. SPLAT. every single stinking widget is "Problem Loading widget"
they are all their they are all in their proper places but USELESS. all of them (except go launcher calendar) say Problem Loading widget.
I have 12 days left widgets especially I DO NOT WANT TO REINSTALL.
is their anything I can do? how do I fix this?

Sorry to say but reinsyalling the widgets are the only way I have found
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before I wiped it I made an image. I could restore that image. is there a way to properly "backup" the widgets properly so I can "restore" them?
I have all my widgets restored now except my Days left widgets. there are just too many of them and I don't even remember all the dates I had set up I had so many of them.

There could be several ways doing that but nothing is perfect.
Go Launcher backup is not working well.
The most efficient way is 'not doing factory reset'. I'm not doing factory reset at all these days because everything works perfect without factory reset.
(many people says that factory reset is required to properly install ROM. But it's the special case)
If you do not wipe the data during the installation, all app will be there after the installation including go launcher setting and widgets... Just need to change the default launcher from tw to go.
If there is a reason that you need to wipe the data, then before doing it, make the whole application backup using Titanium backup and restore it after flashing the rom. It will store almost everything with some widget links broken. But this is better than nothing...

there was something seriously "wrong" in software on the phone no idea what or how to fix factory wipe appeared to be the only option.
dogg catcher kept "uninstalling" itself and eventually refused to install at all declaring "incompatible"
no idea why worked fine on every other device I tried so "something" was hinky with my device I determined.
I just want to get those days left widgets back and get weatherbug working properly again at 160res.
going to make a backup again wipe restore the old backup and try a titanium backup of go and weatherbug
then wipe restore new image and try the backups from titanium see what happens.
now that I know how to backup from the recovery menu I NEVER plan to do a factory wipe again.
if things go hinky I will have a nice clean backup I can just wipe and restore my backup so everything stays perfect.
VERY annoying.

That's it! Most important thing is making clean backup - nandroid backup of your whole system and titanium backup after applications configured. This will really save your time in the future.

hmm the nandroid backup does NOT backup settings and configuration?
what use is it then? is that not the POINT of a nandroid backup to be a bit for bit backup?
what exactly "IS" a nandroid backup.

Nandroid backup - backup almost everything including the user apps + data.
Because of this, normally nadroid backup size is +- 1GB.
Also, it's hard to keep the history because of size. You may want to keep just few critical nandroid backups.
Titianum backup - There are lots of option to make backup and able to control the versions. So, this method can be used more frequently. For any small changes, I would do the titanium backup rather than nandroid.

ok so what precisely does the nandoird backup "NOT" backup. I assume it does not backup anything on the internal SD (I backed up the whole thing) anything else?
my first nandroid backup was almost 3gb
My plan is to make 2 nandroid backups like I do with imagine my desktops and laptops.
the 1st will be all my settings and all my core applications. I call my "core" backup. its the os settings and the apps I will "ALWAYS" reinstall no matter what.
then I install "other" apps I like and make a new backup this will be the "full" backup.
if I find a new "core" app I like I will wipe the system restore the core backup clean then add the new "core app" then make a new "core backup"
I was not aware of this backup method before yesterday though hehe

nerys71 said:
ok so what precisely does the nandoird backup "NOT" backup. I assume it does not backup anything on the internal SD (I backed up the whole thing) anything else?
my first nandroid backup was almost 3gb
My plan is to make 2 nandroid backups like I do with imagine my desktops and laptops.
the 1st will be all my settings and all my core applications. I call my "core" backup. its the os settings and the apps I will "ALWAYS" reinstall no matter what.
then I install "other" apps I like and make a new backup this will be the "full" backup.
if I find a new "core" app I like I will wipe the system restore the core backup clean then add the new "core app" then make a new "core backup"
I was not aware of this backup method before yesterday though hehe
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No no no!
Basically nandroid backup has almost everything (rom, kernel, modem) + system configuration data + all installed user apps + user configuration data.
So, if your system or app is not normal, and if it's really hard to go back to previous status, then you can simply restore your system using your nandroid backup. In most case, you don't need to backup the nandroid backup files to your PC or laptop except the data is extremely important.
If you think you have a chance to break your external sdcard or internal sdcard, then you can keep the files in both places. But it isn't necessary in most cases.
After the Nandroid backup, for any small changes or you want to back up the applications, then you can use the Titanium backup to track the application changes.
When I started learning the android, I thought the same way you mentioned above, but I don't think it's necessary. We are getting new builds almost every week or day. So, at least you want to stay with your current rom forever, you don't need lots of backups. About a week later, your old backups would be in garbage can.
Make it simple! And you will be happy.
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Here is what I usually do
1. Make full nandroid backup of my current phone before I upgrade the rom or make major changes
2. Change the system or Flash the rom
3. Confirm the changes or make the basic tuning on the rom
4. If everything is fine then make another nondorid backup, if somethis is wrong, then restore the system using nandroid backup in step 1. Follow the steps again.
5. Install Apps, configure the apps and frequently backup the apps using titanium backup
6. If some apps is not working well, or you deleted necessary app, then recover the app (and/or data) thru tb
7. verify if everything is fine, then make full Titanium backup
8.use your phone. If you believe your phone is stable, then make another Nandroid backup.
9. Keep the nandroid backups in step 1 and 9.
So, combination between nandroid and TB is really useful and if you use it properly, it will save lots of your time.

sure but once I get a rom I really like I don't change it unless there is cause to change it.
also my "core apps" don't change and anything else I install I could care less if I lose it. if its important I make a new core backup.
what I do NOT want to do is spend literally "HOURS" getting all my settings widgets tweaks and logins all set up again.
I am on over 4 hours now trying to get my SII back to the way it was STILL not quite their yet.
still can't get my damned days left widgets to restore (there is 12 of them) I really do not want to do that over again.
and still can't get weather bug working right for some reason.
if I had one of these backups in place I could have blown the system out and click restore and been done with it.

You should backup using "MyBackup Pro". It backs up everything. Its a lot quicker to restore using it. 5 minutes and your done.
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AFAIK - Nandroid backup doesn't backup modem/kernel...

phazeman said:
AFAIK - Nandroid backup doesn't backup modem/kernel...
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Um, nice resurrection?
And yes, nandroid backs up modem, kernel and rom.
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