I am just a ROM flashing newbie here, for the most part. I have had Android phones for 3 years or so but flashed my first ROM recently. Can you guy/gals please donate something to these developers? I have read some things where the donate to download ratio is ridiculously low.
I don't know what an appropriate amount to donate is. Maybe somebody can chime in on this. I donated $5 for my first ROM and the more questions I ask the developer the more I would donate. I plan to donate some more as I download more and more items.
If you can afford this phone then please donate something to these hardworking people. I don't know how many cans or bottles you would need to collect to get a few bucks but I guarantee the time it would take to get those cans or bottles is way less than the time these developers give to helping us all out.
DONT FORGET the costs associated with many of them having a website and the bandwidth they have to pay for when we download off of their site
You randomly read some statement somewhere that says donation to download is low? How about some specifics, such as rom and donations.
Your statement assumes too much, and not in a good light.
Most devs love them but don't expect them; they do it out of passion. Were it a financial burden, they would actively request or find hosts and help.
Also, with all the various rom devs, module devs, cross sharing, and kangers, who is to decide which persons or teams should really get donations?
Who says we haven't or don't donate?
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Hey moderators.....can you please delete this thread. I posted originally and really don't feel like getting into an online s h i t throwing session with others even though I am generally very good at it. I appeared to spark a nerve.
I think this is a legitimate topic.
Asking for donations never hurt. I guess the right way to say it is, "think about donating to your fellow developer of the rom you are running."
For they are the reason you are enjoying your expensive phone.
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That's a better way of saying it. When I read the first post, it sounded like whoever read it is being presumptuously told that they're not being supportive of the ROMs they use.
OP, you'd be surprised how willing people are to donate on here. One example is... madmack brought CM10.1 to our devices, but wanted additional support from another developer. The developer agreed, but as long as he was able to have the funds to purchase the phone to test and work on it. In less than a few days, enough people had donated enough for him to purchase the phone, but I had seen that people continued to donate to him.
The premise of this tread isn't bad. Just know that when people on here see good work, they're very very supportive.
Ok guys, Im sure everyone in the ROM comunity knows who evil1art is. From the S3 wicked series to S4 and now the N3. To his awesome themes. His computer is currently not in any good shape for development. that means no Wicked updates or cool themes to run on our devices.
This just simply wont do. He has and always works very hard to make sure we have amazing updates for our devices. So, I am asking all of you to come together. and help me make this bounty happen.
I ask that we all donate to him so he can buy a new pc and continue his work.
I will personally donate $5 towards this to get us started.
The total needed to get hom a pc he is able to develop on is:$800!
Every little bit helps
So here's how it works: post your amount and confirmation number in the thread and I'll add it to the op until we reach our goal.
Anything helps people!
animexsoldier $5 Confirmation 7EL09709P5514460M
Evil1Art and Wicked Need your help
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Ok guys, Im sure everyone in the ROM comunity knows who evil1art is. From the S3 wicked series to S4 and now the N3. To his awesome themes. His computer is currently not in any good shape for development. that means no Wicked updates or cool themes to run on our devices.
This just simply wont do. He has and always works very hard to make sure we have amazing updates for our devices. So, I am asking all of you to come together. and help me make this bounty happen.
I ask that we all donate to him so he can buy a new pc and continue his work.
I will personally donate $5 towards this to get us started.
The total needed to get hom a pc he is able to develop on is:$800!
Every little bit helps
So here's how it works: post your amount and confirmation number in the thread and I'll add it to the op until we reach our goal.
Anything helps people!
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5.00
Confirmation 7EL09709P5514460M
Sorry I can't do more atm car just got a ton of repairs :crying:
Thank you for all your hard work! Hope the donations roll in fast for you it is much deserved. :fingers-crossed:
Also you are my 1st donation ever lol and well worth more if I could afford it
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Thanks for your hard work.
Bounties are not encouraged on XDA, however some have resulted in needed breakthroughs.
A legitimate bounty should be started by someone other than the recipient, preferably an established member of the community. The recipient should be aware of and endorse the bounty and agree to its purpose. A set goal should be announced and totals kept current. No money should be collected up front but pledged to be sent to the recipient's donation link once goal is reached.
Please stay within these guidelines.
This thread is not within these guidelines. If you want to donate to the developer, donate.
Otherwise bounties are strictly pledges. With that said this thread is closed.
Thank you for your understanding and cooperation
To further clarify for those that cannot see the big picture:
As I stated to the OP if you want to donate to the developer to get a better computer then donate. We as a site cannot allow thousands of threads for every loyal member to post a bounty for their favorite dev to get better equipment. This site is not about money or support. It is a development site. I am sorry if you disagree. Why must there be threads for this when you can urge people to donate in his ROM threads? There have been bounties fro true development break throughs on this site: Bounties for unlocking bootloaders, for getting an established developer a device to unlock a bootloader....these are legitimate bounties for a development site. Again, apologies if you do not agree...but that is not what this site is for. Perhaps a G+ post would be a better place for that. No one wants to log in to check news on their device to see 30 bounty threads to get their favorite dev a phone, computer, medicine for their cat...what have you. That is why there are very few bounties tolerated.
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This is an example of a user discouraging a dev, because he didn't have the time to read the op and understand the phase of this rom.
We, the community of the S3 Neo, discourage this kind of members, and we don't want him to participate in any S3 neo thread. We don't want his opinion. We don't want his swearing.
I personally reported him.
This post will be edited with some points of good manner in the S3 neo. I don't care what's going on other device forums, here we're like a family, a small team. There isn't any room for hating and discourages to the devs (and other members). We need the devs to feel cozy here, they need us to understand them. They don't need members who constantly want something and start getting angry on something that it doesn't work. They want members who will help the development, who will appreciate their work even if at some point something goes wrong.
If you want something more right now, then buy another phone. No rom, no kernel is a final version. Everything is under development and experimental in some way. Think about it.
Thank you.
The dev who asked for money is @joshuous (Oneplus 3 & 3T dev) and the moderator who helped is @Magnum_Enforcer.. and possibly @Sam Nakamura
A simple timeline of things:
1) Dev's rom (VertexOS) didnt have an update since September
2) "Suddenly" dev breaks his phone, and asks for donations
3) @Magnum_Enforcer deletes the message, and reminds him of rules
4) Dev says he wont continue development without a phone
5) Another user posts a link with a used phone at 200$ (i think from Swappa) and prompts other users to donate, many users agree
6) Users donate to the dev, dev thanks users for donations and says he will continue development .
Of course the majority of messages got deleted eventually by @Magnum_Enforcer (or maybe @Sam Nakamura)
So my question is Are devs allowed to ask for users to donate for a phone so they can continue development?
If this is not the right place to post this, please redirect me to the right thread
Sir, how can you even speak about something you completely don't know about?
Points im making clear:
The dev did not force for donations anywhere (and anyways nobody from xda donated) The vertex community(outside of XDA) decided to donate for a new phone so he could continue the amazing and promising work he's been delivering. If not he'd have bought another phone and continued to develop for it .
The developer complied to what he was instructed to : He did not even request for donations after he was warned to not do the same.
IT WAS THE COMMUNITY WHO INITIATED THE DONATION .
And please know that its the developer who's spending all the precious time on this for making all of us happy (please let me know if its you)
You, sir, should be ashamed to have ranted and spoken absolute **** about something you have no idea about. I don't think your stubborn ass belongs to a great place like XDA.
Other points:
1. This happening does not involve XDA and is totally out of XDA's boundaries.
2. I thought we were all aware that the dev was working on Oreo which was the reason for the pause in official builds.
3. Nobody is showing bias here. Please show us proof if you got any.
Not going to start a flame war here. I'm going to do this in a reasonable manner. I welcome any moderator (@Magnum_Enforcer and others) to discuss with me and allow me to provide every evidence needed to explain the situation and support my case. Feel free to pm me.
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The dev who asked for money is @joshuous (Oneplus 3 & 3T dev) and the moderator who helped is @Magnum_Enforcer.. and possibly @Sam Nakamura
A simple timeline of things:
1) Dev's rom (VertexOS) didnt have an update since September
2) "Suddenly" dev breaks his phone, and asks for donations
3) @Magnum_Enforcer deletes the message, and reminds him of rules
4) Dev says he wont continue development without a phone
5) Another user posts a link with a used phone at 200$ (i think from Swappa) and prompts other users to donate, many users agree
6) Users donate to the dev, dev thanks users for donations and says he will continue development .
Of course the majority of messages got deleted eventually by @Magnum_Enforcer (or maybe @Sam Nakamura)
So my question is Are devs allowed to ask for users to donate for a phone so they can continue development?
If this is not the right place to post this, please redirect me to the right thread
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Seems like you are too stubborn to give up. Very well.
Let's break things down a bit, shall we?
Joshuous has unfortunately damaged his OnePlus 3 accidentally, which means that - at the time - continuing to develop the ROM is impossible. Common sense, isn't it? Kernel building can be done blindly, but not ROM building by any means, or else the users may quite likely face serious bugs or even bricks, and will require a tediously longer period of testing that will deem the whole project meaningless. Joshuous was ready to give up on developing since, well, no device to test his ROM on. But the community didn't want to let go and soon enough a campaign to fund a secondhanded OnePlus 3 was begun by a generous member of the community (and NOT Joshuous himself). It may be inappropriate to post direct donations links, as kindly explained by @Magnum_Enforcer in the VertexOS thread. And after a quick discussion, and adequate moderating, the donation link was removed by the mods and the whole discussion was taken to somewhere more private away from XDA - as per the XDA rules and request of its moderators.
It's worth noting that the last official update from Joshuous was on the 16th of September, with a hotfix build released shortly by one of the project contributors, which caused the thread participants (with you pittifully being amongst them) to falsely deceive that the project has been abandoned, even though Joshuous was posting status updates when possible. However, it's been repeatedly stated by Joshuous and his contributors (me included) that the ROM hasn't been abandoned, and that the pause of official builds is a natural thing when the developer starts to work on the major Android version upgrade - just like most of the ROMs.
Again, I would like to emphasise some points. As far as Joshuous went with 'breaking the rules', he directly posted a link to the funding campaign that explicitly stated the campaign's goal to buy a secondhanded OnePlus 3 unit. As soon as the link was removed, and Joshuous made aware of the rules and that this was considered a violation to them, Joshuous has gratefully abided by @Magnum_Enforcer 's decision and the XDA rules and took the donation somewhere else out of the XDA boundaries. And of course, we must emphasize the fact that you have been rudely bashing Josh and @calvinistmac (you even dared to rudely call him "his lackey" just because he responded to you and gave you a status update, and I have not-so-kindly stepped in. And if my memory serves me right, I even advised you to get your hands off the keyboard for your own good - an advice that apparently wasn't taken into consideration and has cost the XDA forum lots of space, and has significantly cost the mods quite some time to clear your trash talk and rude comments and not to mention how depressed Josh was when he saw, and still see, such allegations made against him)
Now let's get back to your preposterous claim
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The dev who asked for money is @joshuous (Oneplus 3 & 3T dev) and the moderator who helped is @Magnum_Enforcer.. and possibly @Sam Nakamura
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Incorrect. Joshuous didn't actually start the campaign of funding a OnePlus 3 device for development, he only stated that he lost the phone accidentally. Only thing he did was pasting a link to a campaign that was started by another XDA member, who did enjoy VertexOS and was very generous to do whatever it takes for the project to continue. And no, Magnum_Enforcer didn't help him, he actually took down the link asap and kindly refreshed our knowledge of the XDA rules. Sam Nakamura didn't help him either.
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A simple timeline of things:
1) Dev's rom (VertexOS) didnt have an update since September
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Can't be denied, but I just did explain why did Josh pause the official builds above.
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2) "Suddenly" dev breaks his phone, and asks for donations
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That's nothing short of an individual issue of trust. Nothing to do with XDA or any other site. I suggest you go see a doctor and talk with him about your uncertainities and conspiracy theories - that's all I can say.
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3) @Magnum_Enforcer deletes the message, and reminds him of rules
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I don't see anything wrong here. It's just the moderator doing his job properly, and I highly commend him for that :good:
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4) Dev says he wont continue development without a phone
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True, and justifiable. ROM developing cannot be done blindly. Even kernel developing must need a very highly experienced dev to come up with dependable stable kernel builds if done blindly without the actual device in hand.
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5) Another user posts a link with a used phone at 200$ (i think from Swappa) and prompts other users to donate, many users agree
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What's wrong with seeing a good and supportive community? Is that against the rules, or does it defy the laws of physics?
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6) Users donate to the dev, dev thanks users for donations and says he will continue development .
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Given the previously explained circumstances, and the wonderfully supportive community, the developer has gratefully accepted the community's helping hand. What's wrong with that?
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Of course the majority of messages got deleted eventually by @Magnum_Enforcer (or maybe @Sam Nakamura)
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And we commend him/them for doing his job properly and promptly reminding us of any violation to the rules. I would like to remind you and the gentlemen that among the "majority of the messages that got deleted eventually" was your rude reply to @calvinistmac where you called him Josh's lackey, which is terribly impolite and unrespectful to say the least.
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So my question is Are devs allowed to ask for users to donate for a phone so they can continue development?
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The answer of this question can be found in @Magnum_Enforcer 's post here, which apparently you have gone through and failed to understand.
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If this is not the right place to post this, please redirect me to the right thread
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That's up to the moderator to decide. But one thing for sure, XDA is not the place for you to blatantly drag the devs in the filth and lace your hate on them.
I hope such guys get banned from XDA, as those destroy the whole community. They don't even have a sense for community feeling or how to act in one.
I've seen many post of you, which are disrespectful and childish. And this one is the top of the hill.
Mostafa explained the situation very well. Josh never asked for donation and the campaign has been created by a user, not even a contributor!
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And we commend him/them for doing his job properly and promptly reminding us of any violation to the rules. I would like to remind you and the gentlemen that among the "majority of the messages that got deleted eventually" was your rude reply to @calvinistmac where you called him Josh's lackey, which is terribly impolite and unrespectful to say the least.
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I just hope you change the rules, because there are clearly other devs out there that should be making a living out of their work.
Allowing this dev to get paid, while banning other from freely asking for donations to continue, is clearly double-standard behavior.
No wonder why devs start leaving XDA.
Why do you keep saying XDA "allowed" joshuous to get paid? The donations took place off of XDA and any donation requests on XDA were promptly removed.
The rules were upheld and the users who saw value in VertexOS donated elsewhere. I'm not sure why you alone are against this.
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I just hope you change the rules, because there are clearly other devs out there that should be making a living out of their work.
Allowing this dev to get paid, while banning other from freely asking for donations to continue, is clearly double-standard behavior.
No wonder why devs start leaving XDA.
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Actually Devs start leaving XDA because of people like you keep populating the threads with nothing but nonsense. Absolute nonsense. You just cripple the threads with such replies. And where on God's Earth did Joshuous ask his users to donate him to continue development ? I have said it before numerous times and will say it again, the campaign was raised by one of the users and not him. And when ME took down the link, we moved the discussion to somewhere else out of XDA's boundaries. What the bloody heck is wrong with that? If you don't like what you see, clear the bloody way for more useful posts! Any other comments on that means that you are nothing but a troll. Not even a guy with single digit IQ level would be that stubborn and fail to understand outright facts.
P.S. stop with the "XDA is helping him" part, coz that is even more embarrassing for you.
Absolutely embarrassing response.
Lock this thread and change the rules already, there are devs out there that deserve to get paid
gordito_gr said:
I just hope you change the rules, because there are clearly other devs out there that should be making a living out of their work.
Allowing this dev to get paid, while banning other from freely asking for donations to continue, is clearly double-standard behavior.
No wonder why devs start leaving XDA.
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Do you get your jollies over ridiculing other devs? Your the type that make devs want to quit. I've seen it happen all across this forum. Josh is one of the best devs out there along with SultanXDA, Maxwen, etc...
Nowhere did Josh ask for donations to keep on developing. WE AS THE COMMUNITY WHO USE AND HAVE USED THIS ROM DONATED so that development could continue. You just keep digging a bigger hole for yourself.
The only embarassing responses are yours.
You poke at the bear and you're gonna get bitten.
Your arrogance is showing, big time. I suggest you quit while you're ahead.
Mine and the rest of XDA's tolerance has shortened for the likes of you.
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Absolutely embarrassing response.
Lock this thread and change the rules already, there are devs out there that deserve to get paid
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And as far as I can work out, Josh and Zach are amongst the first of these Devs.
Could you please zip it and clear the area? If anyone is making people leave XDA - it is YOU. and only YOU! No one else. Not Josh, not Zach. YOU.
Just take a look at what have you done? You crippled two threads with your rude posts and useless futile discussions. I think suffering with pneumonia would be more tolerable than replying to your pathetic posts.
As I've said... Don't post here. This guy doesn't understand the sense of a community. I still hope this guy gets banned as a statement from XDA.
It would be time to protect devs and not such user, who has no value to this community. I've never seen him to help or support development in any way.
With this post he blames the mod, who already handled this topic, Josh as Dev and the whole community, who's trying to help and support each other.
And just to say. I've donated to this campaign on a free basis. And what I do with my money, that's my thing. Do you believe you can decide, what people are doing with their money ... You are simple-minded and conceited. If you think another Dev should receive a donation... Than donate. I believe you've never donated more than 1 dollar to any of them. So just let others do, what they want and mind your own business.
gordito_gr said:
The dev who asked for money is @joshuous (Oneplus 3 & 3T dev) and the moderator who helped is @Magnum_Enforcer.. and possibly @Sam Nakamura
A simple timeline of things:
1) Dev's rom (VertexOS) didnt have an update since September
2) "Suddenly" dev breaks his phone, and asks for donations
3) @Magnum_Enforcer deletes the message, and reminds him of rules
4) Dev says he wont continue development without a phone
5) Another user posts a link with a used phone at 200$ (i think from Swappa) and prompts other users to donate, many users agree
6) Users donate to the dev, dev thanks users for donations and says he will continue development .
Of course the majority of messages got deleted eventually by @Magnum_Enforcer (or maybe @Sam Nakamura)
So my question is Are devs allowed to ask for users to donate for a phone so they can continue development?
If this is not the right place to post this, please redirect me to the right thread
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I have looked into this and absolutely no rules have been violated.
8. Donations.
As a user, you're allowed to ask for donations in your signature as a thank you for your hard work, however donations up front are not allowed. This forum is about sharing and not about getting paid to do something... that is what your job is for.
The developer never demanded donations. The community rallied to help at their own free will.
Thread closed.
Hey guys.. we have a problem concerning development for the Nord N10. The original developer has quit and was to ship his device to another developer to pick up on development. But the shipment never arrived, so now we have no active developers to fix bugs on existing roms or create new ones.
Mod edit: Donation info removed.
These kinds of threads are, problematic...
First of all, the XDA forum rules does not allow donations upfront:
8. Donations.
As a user, you're allowed to ask for donations in your signature as a thank you for your hard work, however donations up front are not allowed. This forum is about sharing and not about getting paid to do something... that is what your job is for.
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Second, how can we make sure that forum members that do donate to a cause like this actually get what they expect? But of course, we're talking about donations here, and that usually comes with no strings attached (at least here on XDA). That's just a festering ground for conflict and drama.
Thirdly, you mentioned a developer that's not even a member here on XDA (at least not under that name)... If you're going to use us as a platform we kind of expect development and sharing to happen here, not on Telegram (XDA has a bit if a love-hate relationship with Telegram).
I'm closing this thread, but please contact me through PM if you're interested in discussing this further and possibly working something out.