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Camera crashed. Lost everything.

I'm so mad right now.
My camera app crashed even after several reboots forcing a Hard reset.
I lost all my data and the camera app still crashes.
I can't describe how mad I am.
I press the camera button and it shows for a sec. It then immediately returns to the home screen.
I'm gonna contact Microsoft first thing in the morning.
I might lose a job because of this.
The hard reset didn't fix anything. It still crashes .
Can someone link me the he fastest way to get to Microsoft to help me fix this stuff.
I'm seriously going insane. All me stuff is gone and since its impossible to take a backup I'll never get it back.
Die, Microsoft. Die.
You just made me lose heaps of things because of a camera flaw.

Thanks for letting us know:
1. What you were doing when it crashed.
2. What type of phone you have.
3. Whether or not you're using a 3rd party MicroSD card in the slot.
4. What actually happens when it crashes (phone freezes, app just closes, middle finger graphic comes up on the screen, what does it do?)
5. Were you on WiFI, EDGE, 3G, GPRS?
6. Are you sure the device isn't defective (And/or prematurely failing on you? In this case, the OS has nothing to do with it - can happen on any phone running any Smartphone OS)
7. Other trivial information that can cause us to come to better conclusions.
Instead, you plummel us with bad grammar, vulgarities, and a rant that will certainly accomplish nothing due to #s 1-5.
BTW, you should back up all important information on any device. Laptop, Tablet PC, Desktop PC, Smartphone, Thumb Drive, etc. It's not Microsoft's fault if you lose you fault due to data loss. Important information should be backed up and IIRC Windows Phone 7 is capable of keeping the Camera Roll Sync'd up with SkyDrive.
I give you 3/10, though.
Ciao!

You might try Windows Phone Support on twitter. They usually reply pretty fast during business hours.
http://twitter.com/#!/WinPhoneSupport
A side note, if you've got a job that depends on your ability to take pictures, you might not want to depend on a phone's camera and use a dedicated camera.

@Side Note: Still shouldn't matter. Anyone that takes (EDIT) photos for business use with their phone camera should have the SkyDrive Camera Roll Backup/Sync enabled and you can set your Photo Gallery to Private.
The OP's situation is completely avoidable.

badboy70 said:
I might lose a job because of this.
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This is either a very bad troll or you're a complete moron. I can't decide.
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damn my camera app crashed too yesterday after i was changing some settings.
i turned off light and changed the measurement adjustment.
it crashed when i tried to focus the object. black screen, crash.
so happy a restart fixxed it, i better dont mess with the settings for some time...

Yeah, besides, Microsoft did not MAKE you do a hard reset of your device.
If you read the manual and understood what you were doing before you did it you would have known that a Hard Reset puts the phone back to its initial state.
You must have also disabled image syncing onto Zune which would have backed up your photos everytime you plugged it in or Wifi synched it. Could have also auto-uploaded the pics to Skydrive and had a lower resolution copy on there.
Can't blame Microsoft for this. Yes, the camera should not be broken, but most times a soft reset will fix any software issues.

Bah, sorry.
I was kinda drunk when I posted this.
I was at a party.
But to answer the questions:
1. What you were doing when it crashed.
Nothing. I tried to take a picture by holding the camera button whilit was still locked.
2. What type of phone you have.
HTC HD7
3. Whether or not you're using a 3rd party MicroSD card in the slot.
No, I did not modify my phone
4. What actually happens when it crashes (phone freezes, app just closes, middle finger graphic comes up on the screen, what does it do?)
It shows the zoom bar on the right, then immediately closes and shows the start screen.
5. Were you on WiFI, EDGE, 3G, GPRS?
Edge
6. Are you sure the device isn't defective (And/or prematurely failing on you? In this case, the OS has nothing to do with it - can happen on any phone running any Smartphone OS)
Nope, there's nothing wrong with it other than that.
7. Other trivial information that can cause us to come to better conclusions.
Not really, I never did anything special to it.
All I did that evening was texting, calling and updating my status on Facebook because the power blacked out, three times.

Ok, so after the third hard reset the camera works again.
But now all the pictures I take are rotated 90 degrees
I think there's definately something wrong with the camera app.

badboy70 said:
Ok, so after the third hard reset the camera works again.
But now all the pictures I take are rotated 90 degrees
I think there's definately something wrong with the camera app.
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Sounds more like a HW problem to me (wouldn't be the first for a HD7) as it doesn't happen to everyone else.

Yeah, sounds like a bad HD7 to me too. My first HD7 was an awesome phone, if by awesome, the standard you use is how often it simulated Windows XP by crashing on me.
Returned it and got a new one and it's been smooth sailing so far.
Send that POS back and replace, blame HTC not MS and don't do your business while drunk otherwise it won't be the phone's fault you lost your job.

i don't know which is worse, being unable to identify the cause or blaming something else other than the cause

badboy70 said:
I'm so mad right now.
My camera app crashed even after several reboots forcing a Hard reset.
I lost all my data and the camera app still crashes.
I can't describe how mad I am.
I press the camera button and it shows for a sec. It then immediately returns to the home screen.
I'm gonna contact Microsoft first thing in the morning.
I might lose a job because of this.
The hard reset didn't fix anything. It still crashes .
Can someone link me the he fastest way to get to Microsoft to help me fix this stuff.
I'm seriously going insane. All me stuff is gone and since its impossible to take a backup I'll never get it back.
Die, Microsoft. Die.
You just made me lose heaps of things because of a camera flaw.
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Honestly, I'm actually surprised somebody hasn't posted Die, Badboy70. Die. because of this post, XDA is maturing. Anyway, your Zune auto syncs your photos by default, I'm assuming if you do this for a living, you'd know not to turn this off. So, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you're FOS for saying you're losing a job because of this. I'm betting more on you being a 14 year old who's phone is malfunctioning due to a hardware problem and had to come rant about it instead of asking for help.
Jonno2343 said:
Yeah, besides, Microsoft did not MAKE you do a hard reset of your device.
If you read the manual and understood what you were doing before you did it you would have known that a Hard Reset puts the phone back to its initial state.
You must have also disabled image syncing onto Zune which would have backed up your photos everytime you plugged it in or Wifi synched it. Could have also auto-uploaded the pics to Skydrive and had a lower resolution copy on there.
Can't blame Microsoft for this. Yes, the camera should not be broken, but most times a soft reset will fix any software issues.
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Just wanted to echo this.
badboy70 said:
Bah, sorry.
I was kinda drunk when I posted this.
I was at a party.
But to answer the questions:
1. What you were doing when it crashed.
Nothing. I tried to take a picture by holding the camera button whilit was still locked.
2. What type of phone you have.
HTC HD7
3. Whether or not you're using a 3rd party MicroSD card in the slot.
No, I did not modify my phone
4. What actually happens when it crashes (phone freezes, app just closes, middle finger graphic comes up on the screen, what does it do?)
It shows the zoom bar on the right, then immediately closes and shows the start screen.
5. Were you on WiFI, EDGE, 3G, GPRS?
Edge
6. Are you sure the device isn't defective (And/or prematurely failing on you? In this case, the OS has nothing to do with it - can happen on any phone running any Smartphone OS)
Nope, there's nothing wrong with it other than that.
7. Other trivial information that can cause us to come to better conclusions.
Not really, I never did anything special to it.
All I did that evening was texting, calling and updating my status on Facebook because the power blacked out, three times.
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Your excuse of being drunk just validates the first part of my phone. You won't know your device is defective without a professional looking at the camera hardware. Just becase nothing else is messing up doesn't mean the camera isn't defective. Considering it worked, and then didn't, especially on factory settings leads me to believe this is hardware related, if it even exists at all. I would try to replace the device.

It's more likely to be a defective HD7 ...

Doesn't a hard reset delete all the data off your phone? So instead syncing it to your PC and extracting the photos you decided to delete. It may be MS fault that your Camera app crashed, but its your fault the data is missing. Why didn't you back your photos up on your computer or even to skydrive? Couldn't had been to important if your didn't.

*Sigh*....starting to lose faith...

So here's a typical day with WP7.
Wake up, unplug phone from PC. I had left it to sync overnight, because for some reason Zune wasn't syncing a particular photos subfolder (1), so I removed the whole lot and resynced over 6,000 photos while I slept. Found the phone was only half-charged (2). Plugged it into the mains while I got ready for work.
Saw there was an update for Board Express Pro, downloaded it but it failed, as I'm using the trial (3).
As I left for work, I went to hit PLAY on my music, expecting to carry on listening to the music I had last night, but in the dropdown music controls, it displayed just a blank. So I had to reselect the album (4).
On the train, sat at the station waiting to leave, I went to access Game Chest: Logic Games to make my next chess move in the ongoing game against my wife. The phone spent ages starting up the game, then informed me, despite having a 3G connection, that it couldn't connect to the game (5). Tried two or three more times (6). No dice. Decided to try Alphajax, but on starting that up, it complained it couldn't obtain push notifications (7). It asked me to restart my phone, which I did (8). The restart got stuck at the "Windows Phone" splash screen for about two minutes - it normally takes a couple of seconds, so that was a worry (9). Eventually I got my home screen, so I went back into Alphajax and got the same message again (10). So no push updates any more for that game. Went back to my home screen and noticed that I'm also not getting tile updates for either Flixster (11) or Flickr (12). Decided to play a bit of Sudoku (Game Chest: Logic Games). I always use a bluetooth headset, and partway through the game something happened and the sounds stopped coming through (13). I had to go into SETTINGS and disconnect my headset, then reconnect to get it working again (14).
I went into Marketplace to look for an app to keep my ten-pin bowling scores in. I found a couple, but they both keep the scores on the phone with no way to sync to my PC or to the cloud, hence they're useless because if my phone breaks, gets stolen or hard resets itself, I stand to lose the entire bowling score history that I'd have inputted to the app (15). So I knocked up a spreadsheet and emailed it to my phone (no easy way to get it onto the phone (16)). When I opened the sheet on the phone, I found just about all the formatting had vanished and several of the centered headings were invisible (17). So I made up my mind to keep my scores in a notebook while bowling and enter them into a spreadsheet on my PC when I get home. So much for smartphones (18).
Now I'm at work, writing this, and have experienced 18 annoyances with my phone in the space of just four hours.
I am seriously starting to get sick of it.
I think I'm on the cusp of going to try out Android! Save me!

The fact is.. we are early adopters. Yes.
And we all know that we would have a problematic phone in our hands when we bought WP7. Then why did I buy this?
Because I was faithful that Microsoft was not going to blow it up. I thought MS was going to update, fix bugs, and try their best, since they have the nicest phone right now.
It's not the bugs that annoy me. It is the fact that the January update turns out to be an April update (yeah, we are 22 March and nothing until now).
And it doens't fix a quarter the problems that we can found in the list of bugs thread.
I share your pain and frustration.
Yesterday I caught myself looking at Nexus S. I'm worried ;/
Still.. since I've balls, I'll stand and wait some more for MS do something useful in this life (oh, yeah, they do sometimes.. Xbox, Win7..)
Don't abandon us!

I don't believe the phone charges while it is in the process of syncing over USB, only when it is in standby, it has been discussed a few times. If you just synced, obviously it accessed your music, so how can you expect it to have not prevented you from accessing it, it does that as a precautionary measure. The trial issue has been discussed a variety of times as well, It's been fixed in NoDo. The games and push notifications could be device specific, as you're the 3rd person I've seen mention this. I use my SkyDrive to move files, or email, I don't see how that isn't "easy." As far as the formatting, good luck finding perfect formatting on Android...

You see, there's no one thing with WP7 that in itself is enough to make me abandon it. It's just the daily grind of all those annoyances that continually grate on me. I'm always sat next to someone playing with their iPhone or Android or Blackberry and some of the time as I'm whizzing through WP7s tiles or playing with some jazzy app I can see them glance over at my phone....and then I'll almost inevitably come to an app that won't open and I'll have to reboot my phone to get it working and I can imagine them chuckling to themselves as I eat humble pie.
It. is. annoying. The potential is there but there are so many let-downs.

There is absolutely no need for this thread to turn into a flamewar.........
If you can offer a potential solution or any relevant information to the points raised by the OP then please dont be shy in putting them forward...
Anything else, dont bother.
That is all.

conantroutman said:
There is absolutely no need for this thread to turn into a flamewar.........
If you can offer a potential solution or any relevant information to the points raised by the OP then please dont be shy in putting them forward...
Anything else, dont bother.
That is all.
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Really don't see why my post had to be edited when it wasn't a 'flame' - maybe his response attacking my thank count was, but mine was asking a question of utilizing available resources. Those that have been posted a variety of times.

FiyaFleye said:
Really don't see why my post had to be edited when it wasn't a 'flame' - maybe his response attacking my thank count was, but mine was asking a question of utilizing available resources. Those that have been posted a variety of times.
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Dude I was just teasing ya! Anyway I think you've missed the point of the thread. I'm not looking for individual fixes / excuses / workarounds etc etc to each of the individual points. My point is, that was a TYPICAL day spent with WP7, and that all these little things contribute to an overall feeling of malaise with the OS. I've tried to put across that I am a stalwart of WP7 - I have had many many WM5 / 6 / 6.1 / 6.5 phones over the years and went straight to WP7 and yes there is much to like, which is why I'm still clinging to it.
I really just want to guage the mood among other WP7 users - are they experiencing similar malaise to me or not? Is it just me?

FiyaFleye said:
Really don't see why my post had to be edited when it wasn't a 'flame' - maybe his response attacking my thank count was, but mine was asking a question of utilizing available resources. Those that have been posted a variety of times.
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That statement wasnt specifically directed at you. You'll notice that posts from multiple users have been deleted in an attempt to bring this thread back on topic.
Let me make this very clear to all concerened.
I expect the next post to be directly related to the isues raised by the OP.
Not discussing the drama this thread has already caused in its short lifespan.
NO MORE OFF TOPIC CHATTER PLEASE!

typical ?
is this a typical day of your phone usage ? I've seen the bug thread, but there aren't a whole lot of folks posting similar accounts of annoyances... there are threads, but not so many all at once, such a short span of time.
I wonder how long since your last reset, and if you reboot it daily, weekly, or just when it becomes unusable ?
id imagine it this is a typical experience that m$ is working pretty hard on it... with the update getting pushed back regularly.

ohgood said:
is this a typical day of your phone usage ?
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Sadly, yeah
I've seen the bug thread, but there aren't a whole lot of folks posting similar accounts of annoyances... there are threads, but not so many all at once, such a short span of time.
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It wasn't until I started writing them down that I realized just how many there were.
I wonder how long since your last reset, and if you reboot it daily, weekly, or just when it becomes unusable ?
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I did a hard reset a couple of weeks back to cure the push notification issue, but it has returned. I reboot my phone whenever an app asks me to or an app stops working or anything else goes wrong that a reboot might cure. On average, probably about once or twice per day.
id imagine it this is a typical experience that m$ is working pretty hard on it... with the update getting pushed back regularly.
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The delays in getting the bug fixes are all part of the overall feeling of "meh" I'm getting about WP7.
Obviously you're still very much in love with WP7, which is fine - I wish I was, too, but despite me evangelizing it to all my mates, deep down I don't feel anything like as good about it as I did in October last year.
Actually, I just remembered another thing that went wrong this morning - when I came out of the (constantly crashing) Comica app, the screen graphics went all ape**** and I had to reboot. Again.

To be honest, with this many issues I would be inclined to think that it's a device specific problem.
Do you have any kind of warranty you could claim on?
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I understand a lot of the little frustrations, especially with the update delays, but one thing that did stand out for me is the comment about stability... having to restart your phone to get basic functionality (app launching) going again. I very seldom (less than once a month) have needed to reboot my Focus to get some service or app going again. Some apps do have stability issues for me, but a reboot of the phone doesn't appear to be needed... I can simply relaunch the app in question after it returns to the start menu (sometimes I've had an issue where the app needs a couple of launches to sort itself out).
Are you using a WP7 device with a replaced microSD card, or a Samsung Focus with an added microSD card? The stability issues sound like something that I'd expect to see with a non-compliant microSD card, or some hardware issue with the device. I'm running a Samsung Focus with an added 16 GB card (Ridata, class 6 for the curious), and 20+ GB of space has been used on the phone since Dec., and my device sounds like it is far more stable than yours at the moment.

conantroutman said:
To be honest, with this many issues I would be inclined to think that it's a device specific problem.
Do you have any kind of warranty you could claim on?
Sent from my fingers to your face...
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Well yeah there's a warranty but most of the issues are either with apps or are known software issues.

VelJharig said:
I understand a lot of the little frustrations, especially with the update delays, but one thing that did stand out for me is the comment about stability... having to restart your phone to get basic functionality (app launching) going again. I very seldom (less than once a month) have needed to reboot my Focus to get some service or app going again. Some apps do have stability issues for me, but a reboot of the phone doesn't appear to be needed... I can simply relaunch the app in question after it returns to the start menu (sometimes I've had an issue where the app needs a couple of launches to sort itself out).
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I usually try restarting the app at least three times before I reboot. Rebooting always fixes it.
Are you using a WP7 device with a replaced microSD card, or a Samsung Focus with an added microSD card? The stability issues sound like something that I'd expect to see with a non-compliant microSD card, or some hardware issue with the device. I'm running a Samsung Focus with an added 16 GB card (Ridata, class 6 for the curious), and 20+ GB of space has been used on the phone since Dec., and my device sounds like it is far more stable than yours at the moment.
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No it's an HD7 with the stock O2 ROM and stock 16GB card as supplied. I have done nothing to it.

Jim Coleman said:
No it's an HD7 with the stock O2 ROM and stock 16GB card as supplied. I have done nothing to it.
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TBH, I think this is the main problem. HTC isn't exactly known for providing great SD cards with their devices.
I encountered similar issues on my HD7 but haven't seen them on either of the Omnia7's or Optimus7 currently available to me.

emigrating said:
TBH, I think this is the main problem. HTC isn't exactly known for providing great SD cards with their devices.
I encountered similar issues on my HD7 but haven't seen them on either of the Omnia7's or Optimus7 currently available to me.
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But if it was a problem with the storage card, why would rebooting fix it?
If any data on the card was corrupted, it would still be corrupted after the reboot. If it was a transient read error, then retrying would usually work, but it never does.

Jim Coleman said:
But if it was a problem with the storage card, why would rebooting fix it?
If any data on the card was corrupted, it would still be corrupted after the reboot. If it was a transient read error, then retrying would usually work, but it never does.
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I don't know for sure, but I reckon the OS gets bogged down over time. Either due to temporary files or running processes. I didn't investigate much myself as I returned the handset after about a week, but others with certain HTC devices (as well as some DVP owners) have said the problems go away by changing the SD card.
It may also be that it's fixed in NoDo as they have reworked the way memory is accessed. I did however see similar issues in the 7008 build on my Omnia7 - which made me revert to the standard 7004.

Hehe, WP7 is piling it on today. Just tried to download an app.
"Can't get this information at the moment. Check again in a little while."
*Sigh*

Jim Coleman said:
But if it was a problem with the storage card, why would rebooting fix it?
If any data on the card was corrupted, it would still be corrupted after the reboot. If it was a transient read error, then retrying would usually work, but it never does.
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I think we dell venue pro owners are the experts on sd cards and WP7 The known problem with the DVP crashing when using wifi or returning from standby with a black screen is fixed for a lot of people who swapped their sd cards, though not all. For reasons we cant pinpoint WP7 is spectacularly picky about which cards it works with. I myself have tried 2 new cards and have not managed to solve the crashing problem on my DVP.
Quite possibly you are experiencing the same intolerance to certain sd cards on your HD7 as has affected the DVP and possibly a device swap could fix it. I certainly have not experienced the level of individual application failures you have, and that is with a known crash happy device.

I think I will wait for Nodo and see what happens after. There are some bugfixes in Nodo so you never know. Nodo must surely be coming in the next few days.....right?

Now that NoDo is on my phone...

Now that NoDo is on my phone (thanks everyone!) I now get a chance to use it with my Focus. The first few moments wasn't too promising. The tiles were very unresponsive and the phone ended up rebooting on me. I've never had that happen before. Since then it hasn't done that, but the phone has been slow responding at times. I do need to reboot my phone as often as I did before though. That's probably a Samsung thing.
I haven't seen any real speed increase as a lot of people had been reporting. I guess the Focus was fast enough for me previously that it's just business as usual.
Periodically music still doesn't play out of the speaker after I pull out the headphone while the music is still playing. That was happening before the update and all I need to do is reboot the phone to get the speaker working again.
Unbelieveably, the cut and paste feature gets in the way when writing messages and I need to go back to a certain point. The entire word highlights when I just want the cursor there to start typing. Oh well, better to have it than not.
Bluetooth is a little louder with my headset now, which I'm happy about.
Overall, I'm happy I got the patch since AT&T doesn't seem to want to roll it out, but I'm just not experiencing much more than I got before. Maybe the Marketplace is better, but again, I never really had problems before.

Resuming apps is about twice as fast, now... The first thing I did was start Messenger by Miyowa and "Home" out and then resume it, since it's normally rather slow to resume. The speed increase there is noticeable.
Music pauses when you put a headphone in, or pull it out. That's normal. It's to stop you from missing part of the music, or to stop the music from blasting at full volume if the headset gets mistakenly unplugged...
You didn't really give much information, but if you've been rebooting your phone because of that...
L.O.L.
The highlighting word is an issue that's always existed. It makes it almost impossible to perform quick edits quickly because in most cases it's faster to just type the entire work over again than just add in the letter you need to correct a misspelling.
Marketplace was always a problem app since the platform launched. Before I got hte update earlier, I had to reboot my phone twice because Market did it's free-crash-crash thing. Now that you mentioned it, I need to go download some stuff to see if it freezes/crashes or still have the issue where you have to constantly pause and resume downloads for them to complete...

Marketplace never crashed while downloading anything here, it freezes when browsing apps sometimes. I don't have NoDo installed and probably won't until a solid unlock mechanism is found and published. Just wonder if my Marketplace problem is different from yours.

N8ter said:
The highlighting word is an issue that's always existed. It makes it almost impossible to perform quick edits quickly because in most cases it's faster to just type the entire work over again than just add in the letter you need to correct a misspelling.
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This actually is not an issue.
Tap and hold on the word and you'll have a nice cursor displayed which you can place anywhere.

True, Marketplace crashes ONLY while browsing.
Whatever installing or upgrades I perform, it works always.

N8ter said:
Resuming apps is about twice as fast, now... The first thing I did was start Messenger by Miyowa and "Home" out and then resume it, since it's normally rather slow to resume. The speed increase there is noticeable.
Music pauses when you put a headphone in, or pull it out. That's normal. It's to stop you from missing part of the music, or to stop the music from blasting at full volume if the headset gets mistakenly unplugged...
You didn't really give much information, but if you've been rebooting your phone because of that...
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Ah, yes, I guess it is faster resuming apps. I didn't notice it. Thanks for bringing it up.
The music pausing is fine and I understand that, but there are times when the speaker doesn't play music after unplugging the headphones. That's when I reboot.
I've also had to reboot the phone because it would default back to the screen that we all saw when we first purchased our phones. After rebooting it goes back to seeing my settings. Also there were times when Zune kept saying that I needed to plug into my PC even though it was just plugged in. After rebooting Zune worked fine.

Also, keep in mind that as far as WP7 goes, Samsung devices are problem devices.
There's a reason why AT&T is taking their time testing updates. They were the ones who had to pony up tons of cash when the first one bricked a lot of phones because of the firmware Samsung put on thoes phones. After that episode you can't really blame AT&T for taking their time. There were similar issues on Android phones as well (JI6 for the Vibrant, and some Galaxy S updates in Canada were frying Storage cards in the phone, etc.).
I never said Marketplace crashed while downloading apps, I said the download constantly froze. As in, it would get to 10% and free, then when you paused and resumed it would go to 20% and freeze, etc. all the way up to 100%. It did it a LOT. While browsing apps it would crash frequently, yes, that or freeze up on you.

I did not have my market place crashed after NoDo. It crash a lot before update.
Also I doubt the Samsung blame. All manufacture made some buggy firmwares, most SGS firmwares don't have problems. Just recall the Google firmware that send your message to some random person. If it's Samsung's issue, why Surround and Quantum's updates are also being hold.
After updating my Focus is in general faster. The tiles are responsive as before, loading time slightly improved. I don't have the problems stated in OP.
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Also, keep in mind that as far as WP7 goes, Samsung devices are problem devices.
There's a reason why AT&T is taking their time testing updates. They were the ones who had to pony up tons of cash when the first one bricked a lot of phones because of the firmware Samsung put on thoes phones. After that episode you can't really blame AT&T for taking their time. There were similar issues on Android phones as well (JI6 for the Vibrant, and some Galaxy S updates in Canada were frying Storage cards in the phone, etc.).
I never said Marketplace crashed while downloading apps, I said the download constantly froze. As in, it would get to 10% and free, then when you paused and resumed it would go to 20% and freeze, etc. all the way up to 100%. It did it a LOT. While browsing apps it would crash frequently, yes, that or freeze up on you.
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I'm pretty sure you are the only one who read my statement as stating it's been crashing since the NoDo update...
And the AT&T Firmwares are being held because AT&T had to pay for the Focus debacle. It's all on the same carrier. They will make sure they test the **** out of every phone they have to make sure the incident does not repeat itself.
Samsung's track record speaks for itself - and that is quite OS-agnostic as well...

N8ter said:
I'm pretty sure you are the only one who read my statement as stating it's been crashing since the NoDo update...
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I certainly can't be the only one that's been experiencing the headphone/speaker problem or the OS reverting back to default. It's possible that nobody else has spoken up about it. Either way it's annoying but certainly not a show stopper.
It was a bit embarrassing last night as I was playing some music through my headphones and I wanted my wife to listen to it. She LOVES the Windows 7 interface and is envious of it. She has an iPhone 3 and thinks the interface is cluttered. I stopped the music, pulled the headphone out, pressed play and the time elapse and progress bar were moving but no sound. This was right after she said she had "phone envy." I had to reboot the phone. I think she lost a little bit of envy after that.

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Also, keep in mind that as far as WP7 goes, Samsung devices are problem devices.
There's a reason why AT&T is taking their time testing updates. They were the ones who had to pony up tons of cash when the first one bricked a lot of phones because of the firmware Samsung put on thoes phones. After that episode you can't really blame AT&T for taking their time. There were similar issues on Android phones as well (JI6 for the Vibrant, and some Galaxy S updates in Canada were frying Storage cards in the phone, etc.).
I never said Marketplace crashed while downloading apps, I said the download constantly froze. As in, it would get to 10% and free, then when you paused and resumed it would go to 20% and freeze, etc. all the way up to 100%. It did it a LOT. While browsing apps it would crash frequently, yes, that or freeze up on you.
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AT&T didn't pony up any cash for bricked phones... Don't give them credit for pushing out the pre-update.. update before anyone else.. They have not released any updates for their WP7 phones yet. But are expected to release in couple weeks.

Doesn't matter, I was talking about the other carriers but since AT&T has the Focus here I tend to just write their name in there. After that debacle no one can blame them for holding back to update. To get mad at AT&T for being supercaution about an update that was bricking a phone they carry is illogical.

Well, ran into another instance where I had to reboot. Tried to make a call using the voice activation and the phone responded with, and I paraphrase, "eh, sonny? Speak up, I can't hear you!" So I tried again and it said "EH?" Rebooted the phone and suddenly it had a hearing aid and it worked perfectly. Whether it's a Samsung Focus bug or not it still exists.

I certainly never encountered anything like that. And Marketplace always downloads everything just fine.

OP your phone seems to give more trouble than usual. Have you considered taking it in to at&t? Go to the store and reproduce the speaker problems and let them exchange the phone for you.
Post nodi, market place no longer crashes period
Speed changes are most notable in games!
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Mango Beta Review

So I am going to try to avoid talking at length about things already mentioned in press reviews unless its super relevant, I really just want to focus on my experience using the Mango beta.
Good things.
It’s freaking fast. Generally moving around the OS is noticeably quicker, not only due the actual speed of transitions, but also I think things have been rearranged so you are able to do what you need to more efficiently. Things are just organized better, e.g. search in the apps list.
Visual voicemail is simple and works (after a quick call to my carrier to turn it on from their end.) It looks like the screen where you choose ringtones with the play button on the left.
The improvements to the People hub are awesome. Groups works great, although I’d like to be able to have more than 20 people per group, and I’d like to be able to rearrange the order they are in. But otherwise, it’s really great. A contacts tile now shows when you have a new message/voicemail/email from them.
The improvements to messaging are also great. Messages you send are now a shade darker or lighter than messages from someone. After attempting to enable Facebook chat a dozen times it finally worked (something I’m assuming will be fixed by release) and chatting works well, switching chat mediums on the fly works better in actual practice than watching someone else do it. Since I don’t really have Windows Live contacts I’m not sure if that part of chat is working.
My one critique is that (like the people hub) I don’t understand why they don’t open the messaging hub to more 3rd party applications. If something like IM+ can connect to all these different chat services, why not allow the OS to? Also, why can’t we still send video?
E-mail works exactly as promised. Linked inboxes and threaded conversations.
Generally the UI has been made more consistent. Marketplace searches now yield a pivot menu to switch between music and apps and podcasts. The phone buttons are larger and more metro-y. The music controls are always in the same place whether in the music player, lock screen, or volume drop down (which itself now has been updated, shows volume as 20/30 instead of little bars.) You can have artist art fade in on the lock screen while listening to music which is pretty cool too.
Bad things/things needing improvement.
When you press the search button, now it ALWAYS brings up Bing and there’s a delay. This is how it should have been from day one, but since it isn’t, I’m still getting used to the fact that I can’t use it to search marketplace or email or any other place where previously the search button took you to an in app search. Also, whenever you do press the search hard button the phone temporarily freezes for a millisecond and music playing skips. Weird but noticeable if you listen to music a lot – but almost certainly a beta issue.
Multi-tasking. It isn’t multitasking. It’s the same as Windows Phone has always been since day one – you can back through previously opened apps. The difference is now you can see more than one at a time. This wouldn’t be so bad if they fixed the transitions, but as of now, it’s honestly pretty bad. You hold back (for a very short amount of time, I did it by accident a lot) and it zooms out (even if nothing else is in the “list” so to speak, I would prefer it does nothing and stays on start screen in this scenario) and you see the “open” (or “dehydrated”) apps, and can pan over to them to click into them. But once you do, they almost 100% of the time go to a different screen than the one you saw in the preview, and after loading look more like the preview. If the preview image matched what you saw when you clicked into the app, this would be an almost flawless illusion of multitasking, but as of now it’s just kind of messy.
Even with the start screen- animated live tiles are not in the same position in the preview as when you click the app, so it becomes visibly obvious that you aren’t actually seeing a live preview. I am really hoping that this is a beta issue, because the idea is good, just the execution is messy. In regard to background apps or audio, I haven’t been able to test this as I can’t find any apps that support it yet.
Internet Explorer 9 Mobile. This has probably been my biggest disappointment. While it most certainly is faster/better than IE now on Windows Phone, the HTML 5 execution doesn’t seem anywhere near as impressive as Microsoft makes it seem. If you go to the MS HTML 5 mobile demos (like the fish and speed reader) they work great… but go to an HTML 5 site, and it barely works, or works really really slowly (like Flash on Android.) Even simple things, like Dragon Age Legends HTML5 mobile version, don’t work at all in some cases. If HTML5 is the industry answer to “why no Flash?” it needs to work better. Every single HTML 5 site I went to either didn’t work, or worked poorly. Not acceptable. Again, I’m hoping this is a beta issue only, and that it’s resolved by release.
Bing navigation. It’s serviceable but just barely. The fact that the map updates, but not the directions, is bizarre. So if you are driving to a destination, the map rotates and moves along with you, but to actually hear what you need to do next, you need to tap the direction. Again, hoping this is a very early version.
Connection to hidden Wifi doesn’t seem to be possible even though the WP devs said it was. And I guess you can use custom ringtones but through a workaround using the Zune software. Also, Wifi sync doesn’t work
So, generally, the Mango beta shows some promise, but still needs a lot of work. I’ll be using it on my main phone for at least a few weeks, then I’ll decide if I want to go back for the time being. For the record, I have an App Hub account and am running Mango legitimately on a developer unlocked T-Mobile USA HD7 which I hard reset after the update. I’ve had a few apps that won’t start, or crash a lot since updating.

the features that make me want to keep wp7 never work...

Am I the only person who thinks that if wp7 just worked (as is), you would be 100% satisfied?
My live tiles have never worked properly and using more than 4 drains battery. The web browser is very fast when it works but more than a few times it has locked up and randomly rebooted the phone. The GPS never gives me the correct location, showing me as being more than a mile away from where I really am. When I see something I really want to take a picture of I try to go straight to the camera app by holding the camera button, nothing happens and I have to let go and hold it again.
I am not saying that I don't love wp7, because to me it is better than both iPhone or Android. I just wish it would work the way i expect it to.

The camera button wont work if the proximity sensor is being covered. and i'm satisfied! apart from bluetooth which to me is completely useless as it seems to never work but i've found the gps on my omnia 7 to be awesome, never yet had a lock up or automatic reboot! Mango is going to fix many problems anyway so it'll work out for you

Thanks, I hope so because it is a great os just been very buggy for me.

Which device do you have, OP?
A lot of those issues you're describing sound like a problem with the internal memory or a memory card..
I've never had my phone randomly reboot

I've had quite a few random reboots but none of the other problems mentioned in the OP.

You are just *****ing !!!!!!!!!
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Am I the only person who thinks that if wp7 just worked (as is), you would be 100% satisfied?
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I am not saying that I don't love wp7, because to me it is better than both iPhone or Android. I just wish it would work the way i expect it to.
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Another one with a bold statment in the title so ppl read it ..... what is all about ???? its just ....*****ing
Realy tired of those kind of post arround here...

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Which device do you have, OP?
A lot of those issues you're describing sound like a problem with the internal memory or a memory card..
I've never had my phone randomly reboot
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Yes. Which device do you have. I've had none of the above issues and my phone just works AND it's a Dell Venue Pro.
There are live tiles that can become stuck at times like Alphajax and Weatherbug. They eventually release. But, Mango seems to have fixed those issues.

I have the 1.3 Samsung focus using 7390 nodo. This is my third focus and they all had the same problems.

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Another one with a bold statment in the title so ppl read it ..... what is all about ???? its just ....*****ing
Realy tired of those kind of post arround here...
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Yeah right.

Might be a Samsung issue then.

ryude said:
Am I the only person who thinks that if wp7 just worked (as is), you would be 100% satisfied?
My live tiles have never worked properly and using more than 4 drains battery. The web browser is very fast when it works but more than a few times it has locked up and randomly rebooted the phone. The GPS never gives me the correct location, showing me as being more than a mile away from where I really am. When I see something I really want to take a picture of I try to go straight to the camera app by holding the camera button, nothing happens and I have to let go and hold it again.
I am not saying that I don't love wp7, because to me it is better than both iPhone or Android. I just wish it would work the way i expect it to.
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The only - well known for others too - issue I had on NoDo is the tiles not updating, Marketplace not showing updates - all this push stuff.
However browser and GPS are fine, and the phone rebooted itself maybe once - rock solid performance actually (LG Optimus 7).

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I have the 1.3 Samsung focus using 7390 nodo. This is my third focus and they all had the same problems.
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Do you have a memory card in the phone? if so I am sure you know not all memory cards work...

Well, I have the Samsung Focus 1.3 running 7390 and I've never had those issues.
BTW, the Samsung Focus is notorious for battery drain because of the AMOLED screen.
Anyhow, I've had a few times were the browser shut on me. I just have to launch IE again; I've experienced no reboot issue.
The GPS also gives me accurate location.
As for the camera app, you have to NOT block the proximity sensor when launching from the camera key.
Anyhow, seeing that you constantly have issues with the Samsung Focus model, I suggest you trade in for the HTC Surround or the LG Quantum and see if you have issues there.

I am holding out for a mango device, I am thinking of buying the nokia sea ray or whatever they release. Glad to know that it's not a widespread problem guys, thanks.

About the GPS, you must allow the GPS device to re-locate your location, depend how strong your network are.
This forum have several articles like this when people can't believe themselves when the device show they are LA instead of San Francisco.
I know my HD7 never goes away that far, but it does show the wrong location of mine for a least a mile away several times in a few minutes/

None of those problems on my HD7 ... I'm trying to hold out for Mango. Sounds like they are hardware related though. I'm sticking with what I've got. No sense in buying a new device that is going to have its own bugs.
My problems with the my device are entirely software related ... Cept for the lack of a keyboard and possibly the pink camera hue.
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ryude said:
Am I the only person who thinks that if wp7 just worked (as is), you would be 100% satisfied?
My live tiles have never worked properly and using more than 4 drains battery. The web browser is very fast when it works but more than a few times it has locked up and randomly rebooted the phone. The GPS never gives me the correct location, showing me as being more than a mile away from where I really am. When I see something I really want to take a picture of I try to go straight to the camera app by holding the camera button, nothing happens and I have to let go and hold it again.
I am not saying that I don't love wp7, because to me it is better than both iPhone or Android. I just wish it would work the way i expect it to.
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Aint going to comment or fuel any more whinning or *****ing in this post (yours and from others replying here), but I will comment on the issues you've had compared to mine.
Live tiles are working just fine atm... I've had some issues in the past, but they all seem to have vanished. Weather, Facebook, Foursquare, Twitter and a few others and they all work fine now. As for them draining my battery, I do give the Trophy a good run for its money during the day and it still gets home late at nite with enough battery.
Never had any issues with the browser... fast, has NEVER crashed or locked the phone. Don't know what else to tell ya.
GPS also works great... very fast in Foursquare, and I've compared it to at least 2 Android devices and it just flat out won. Map wise, finds my location just fine, doesnt take the 5 minutes to find my location that I've seen some devices take.
Ain't it time you got something non-Samsung ?

Samsung on android sure does suck buggy as hell and GPS never worked on the moment intercept and it buggy on epic
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I should look into pointing this forum post out to some people in some company that might find it interesting.
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about the live tiles and push... this will be fixed in Mango. Live tiles and push before Mango are hit or miss, badly implemented and poorly tested. If your carrier does not support it propperly it will not work on NoDo... Mango fixed almost every issue regarding push (as far as I noticed, am testing it for a few weeks now).
It sucks they did not implemented it properly at first, since a lot of the people have not been able to use apps with live tiles AT ALL. Mango fortunately corrects this, better late then never.