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[Q] ROM full, even with app2sd; dalvikCache

So, you are thinking 'not again the *** apps2sd n00b question', but here I am
I did some research on XDA and the rest of the internet though, but nobody seems to have this problem.
I have a rooted Desire with DeFrost 6.0. With it, it is very easy to install your apps on the SD-card. I have only 8 apps on the ROM itself, but those are widgets and apps with notifications like Facebook (notifications don't work if they are installed on de sd-card is my experience).
The rest of my applications are installed on the sd-card (around 80 apps). But the problem is that all apps also have a piece of dalvikCache on the ROM as well. You all know that of course. For instance, I installed Documents To Go (5MB) on the sd-card. It also has 5MB dalvikCache on the ROM, so thats double the price .
Now if people ask here 'is it safe to move the cache to the sd-card', most of you say 'unless you want to show off how much empty space you have on your phone, I would just keep it on the phone'. But I do not have any free space.
With DiskUsage I can see that I have around 150 MB of data: 26MB system data, 15MB free space (and he is already nagging the telephone is running out of space), and more than 100MB of applications, with most of it is dalvikCache.
So is this normal? Is 80 apps really the max you can have?
My biggets app is by the way Documents To Go (5MB), and I had to delete it. So I don't have very big apps.
Just want to know how much apps you guys have
Thanks.

How have you forced the Dalvik Cache to stay on the phone memory and why/how have you copied your widgets on your phone memory?
PS: Do you use an EXT3 Partition or the Froyo legacy A2SD?

It's not unusual to move dalvik cache as well as the app. You will need root though, and then just partition your sd-card and install a rom with a2sd+. The only /data/data will take up space on the phone.

UpSpin said:
How have you forced the Dalvik Cache to stay on the phone memory and why/how have you copied your widgets on your phone memory?
PS: Do you use an EXT3 Partition or the Froyo legacy A2SD?
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I didn't do anything to force the cache to stay on de phone. But it's normal the dalvikCache is on the phone memory right?
I use defrost 6.0 and in it you can go to settings > applications > manage applicatons, an you can move all your apps to the sd-card. I'm not sure what kind of A2SD that is.
I move any applications with widgets to my phone memory, because otherwise widgets don't work anymore if you reboot your phone.
@mortenmhp: But also a lot of people do not recommend to move the dalvikcache. Is it safe to do?

you're confusing a few things:
APPS2SD:
There are two methods used at the moment.
The Froyo method, made by Google, which you use at the moment. It installs the app on the phone memory and is able to outsource a small amount of data to the FAT32 partition on your SD-card. It does create failures with apps that use widgets or run in the background.
The A2SD+ method, integrated in DeFroST and almost every other custom ROM. You have to create an EXT3 partition on your SD card (use ROM manager for this) and then reflash the rom. After that it gets activated automatically. All apps and also the dalvik cache gets moved on the EXT3 partition on your SD card. You don't have to and you shouldn't move any apps around afterwards with the Froyo A2SD described above. Only some small data gets stored by the apps itself on the internal phone memory.
Moving the dalvik cache is safe. Maybe you confuse it with SWAP? Which isn't necessary on the HTC Desire.

ok, this is a little confusing
I'm running defrost
let's suppose that I installed the firefox app.
the diskusage tool tells me that it takes 13,4 MB in internal memory.
in applications settings, I have the option to move the app to sd card.
When I do this, my available memory does not change (102 mb)
Does that mean that firefox was already on the sd card ?
In that case how do I know what eats up my data storage ?
Thanks for precisions ?

Do you use A2SD+ together with an EXT3 partition.
If so, every app you install will get installed on the EXT3 partition on your SD-card together with the Dalvik cache, instead of your internal phone memory. If you move this app with the Froyo A2SD tool to the SD card then you'll move the app from the EXT3 partition to your FAT32 partition, stupid.
However, every app, while running, creates some temporary data files. Those files remain on the internal phone memory. And maybe Firefox mobile creates some huge data files, but the main app is installed on the EXT3 partition, now, because you moved it with Froyo A2SD, a small part is installed on the EXT3 partition and some part, the moved on the FAT32 partition. The created data remains untouched.
I had 106 MB free internal memory. Then I installed Firefox and still had 106MB free. I started Firefox, 103 MB free.
Diskusage tells me Firefox needs 2.81MB internal memory. 2.81MB of this is data.
In the Android app settings android tells me Firefox occupies 16.19 MB, 13.38 MB for the app, 2.81 MB data.
So those 13.38 MB are located on the EXT3 partition. If I move Firefox now, parts of the 13.38 MB get moved from the SD card to the SD card.

Ah, I get it now. Thank you very much. I did everything you said, so it should be ok now. So there is no need anymore to move apps, with widgets for instance, to the memory of the phone?
Thanks!

If you use app2sd with the ext partition now, then no, you don't have to move any app or widget around, and you shouldn't.
With Quick System Info you can check how much free space is left on your ext partition.
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Full! - Why can't I install more applications?

Hey
I'm running CMod 6.0.1 on my rooted HTC Desire (Telus).
All of my apps, with the exception of some few are installed on my 16GB SD card, yet I only have 11MB of internal space remaining? As far as my calculation go, I've only used around 100MB. Does anybody know where my other 400MB went? Why is only so little left?
Thanks in advance

Check the applications for how much data they have (Settings>Applications) I recently had this problem then went to the Browser and found out that it had well over 70mbs data there, which instantly got deleted.
Swyped from my Oxygenated HTC Desire

HTC Desire has a specified internal storage space of 512mb. But only about 146MB is available for installing apps. You can search around the forum for more info.
There are ways to increase your internal storage. The simplest is to create an EXT partition using ROM Mananger or gparted. You will also need to use a rom that has A2SD built in.
So the next time you download apps, your apps will be installed on your ext partition. Well most of it. Some apps will still take up internal space.

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There are ways to increase your internal storage. The simplest is to create an EXT partition using ROM Mananger or gparted. You will also need to use a rom that has A2SD built in.
So the next time you download apps, your apps will be installed on your ext partition. Well most of it. Some apps will still take up internal space.
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This ^
Or modify the rom before flashing. Remove unwanted apps and replace them with apps that take huge amounts of user-space and rarely is updated (ie google maps and such).
In most roms ive tried its a simple process of delete/drag-drop into the rar-file...and then flash without sign verification.
Got about 100mb free with programs i use installed, and still have ~120mb left on the system-part if i find any new must-have-by-default-app.
But do a nandroid backup before starting if you choose this way, to be able to restore a messup and to see how much space your system.img(?) takes. This to know how much space you have left to put apps on.

[Q] Storage Leak Problem on Desire/GB

I have HTC Desire with InsertCoin GB ROM 1.05 (not CM), used just for several days. Of course, almost all apps are moved to SD storage except few like Go Apps and small system utilities.
Today I started to get message that storage space is too low - just about 200K. I have moved GoSMS app to SD, then Gmail, and process hangs. GoSMS successfully moved to SD, while Gmail simply disappeared at all. After restart free space on internal memory left only 100K (yes, even less space then before).
Fixing permissions from ROM manager didn't help, so I wiped out cache partition. Free space increased to 65MB. Wiping dalvik cache increased it further to 72 MB.
I have very few data on phone, several hundred contacts and 20 SMS messages, virtually nothing else.
Now DiskUsage app reports this data:
Data - 194.7 MiB
Applications - 122 MiB
Free - 72.7 MB
I feel something is not right there. I can't understand why there so much data - almost 195 MB. Looks like some app draining free space on internal memory. I did video recording today on SD card, may be video recorder is buggy? I also had Locus map for some time, but then I deleted it with Uninstaller App.
Another possible clue - HTC Car Panel uses 50 MB for maps. Where they are? On internal memory?
Anyone can suggest what could cause this problem?
Thanks in advance for any suggestion(s).

Dalvik cache is on the internal memory and can be huge depending on apps installed

try moving the dalvik cash to your SD, you can use Terminal off the market to move it, youll also need busybox - take a look http://code.google.com/p/android-roms/wiki/A2SD
Also InsertCoin may have an option to move it using a pre-installed app, i know RCMix s 1.7 as a cool app to do it, i would be surprised in the InsertCoin builds didn't have it as well.

Or use a data2sd RoM and have the worry of space gone

Try this:
http://androidforums.com/htc-desire/127440-internal-memory-again.html

Program storage full

hey all
well y HOX has about 15 gig free on the storage... but the internal storage is full.or about to be..
apps about 300 Mb. And then it shows "other" about 6 gig!
wich leves me with about 200 mb free...
i have moved all apps to phone memory.
but how do i access that partiton wichs is nealy full ?
i want to see whay the "other" 6 gig is...and delte some of it.
i am running newest viper venom / 3.7.7
Thanks

intercode said:
hey all
well y HOX has about 15 gig free on the storage... but the internal storage is full.or about to be..
apps about 300 Mb. And then it shows "other" about 6 gig!
wich leves me with about 200 mb free...
i have moved all apps to phone memory.
but how do i access that partiton wichs is nealy full ?
i want to see whay the "other" 6 gig is...and delte some of it.
i am running newest viper venom / 3.7.7
Thanks
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'App Storage' as displayed by Sense is an accumulation of the TOTAL available space as distinct from 'Phone Storage'.
It includes ALL installed files and their associated data including the entire ROM and it's built-in apps, which is what occupies the 'Other' heading. Reserved space, like the unused part of /system and /cache, are counted as USED space in the Storage app. This is part of the reason 'Other' is so big.
You can reduce the usage of 'Other' by using ROMCleaner or Titanium Backup to remove those pre-installed apps you do not want/need.
But there is a limit to what can be done. Be careful not to uninstall anything necessary for the system to operate properly.
As for user-installed apps, post-ROM installation, they are allocated to the 2GB /data partition.
You can also use Titanium Backup to install apps to /system, making use of the slack space in that partition.
Titanium Backup can also be used to move these apps to SD, which in the HOX's case is just as fast as the other partitions since it has no seperate SD card.
EDIT: It's ALSO worth pointing out that there is NO clear documentation or official word from HTC about what exactly 'Other' is or why it occupies so much space. There have been MANY discussions about this, in this very forum (search is your friend BTW)...so the above is best-guess and trial and error.

Thank you for your detailed reply !
i will start looking into it right away!
thank you again!
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problems and limitations of INT2EXT(+) ?

Hallo,
I use INT2EXT+ with CM9 ROM (1GB EXT3 partition) and suddenly got space problems (although I did not install any new app for months - so maybe it is caused by the app updates!?) as system processes suddenly cannot be started anymore.
This is obviously because my installed apps now need 762 MB (INT2EXT author's estimation that 100 MB internal storage is needed for 500 MB. My HTC Wildfire S has only 118 MB internal storage)!?
The following points I cannot explain myself:
1.) I deleted a big app (TripAdvisor, 45 MB) but the storage problem did not change. It seems as if deinstallations do not help. Why not? And what can I do now? (avoiding a complete new ROM flash!!)
2.) How can I exchange e.g. INT2EXT+ by INT2EXT without reinstalling the whole ROM? (e.g. by overwriting? Script location (for manual exchange)? Or any support in the script maybe? )
2b.) Is the speed reduction really remarkable here? And if so when exactly? (isn't the data part of an app also loaded in the fast RAM when started. So isn't it more a question of available RAM than speed?...)
2c.) Or is there maybe any script (to be exchanged) that allows to move EVERYTHING to the EXT partition?...
3.) How can I control/observe the necessary left space? I could not find a way.
4.) What does happen when function move2SD is used by Options/Apps/'on SD card'? (does it make any sense with INT2EXTx?)
Thank you so much for any feedback that helps and/or explains !!