After having a hero for over a year it is now time for it to retire. After reading about several revisions to hboot, hardware, and software there seems to be a bit of confusion (for me).
I'm asking for your input. Should I just jump in and get an Evo or wait until CES and see what's coming down the road?
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Depends, but it was around middle of January that speculation started for the Evo and we heard about the mysterious A9292 Supersonic, but not much else was known about it. Still, I don't expect Sprint to come out with a device that's significantly better than the Evo until June or later. Dual core smartphones haven't really been released in any country. Snapdragon devices were released around November 2009. You can bet that that duallies will come out in Europe and Asia as a GSM phone at least 3-6 months before a manufacturer pushes out a CDMA device to the states.
I say wait for ces
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Wait and buy one outright if you can
misfit0313 said:
After having a hero for over a year it is now time for it to retire. After reading about several revisions to hboot, hardware, and software there seems to be a bit of confusion (for me).
I'm asking for your input. Should I just jump in and get an Evo or wait until CES and see what's coming down the road?
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The Hero is only good for a year?
The thing is, if you wait til CES then 6-9 months after that, there'll be something else better coming up and you'll want that. I say pick up the EVO now - there's still room to grow for the EVO with gingerbread, and there might not be a radical change in the smartphones that come out next year. 2010 was a pretty big year, all across the industry with Froyo, 4G, 4"+ screens, 1GHz processors, etc. Of course, every year something new comes out, but across the industry 2010 had so many changes I can't see them really topping that for 2011. Especially since we really need battery technology to catch up to handset technology at this point. My guess is that there will be something wildly innovative in 2011 (maybe we'll all be walking around with pads and bluetooths instead of smartphones). But that's just my guess.
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The Hero is only good for a year?
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The hero is still a good little phone and works great a year later. There's a premier upgrade available, burning a hole in my pocket.
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Pay in cash or buy on ebay, dual cores are going to come out sometime next year
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The hero is still a good little phone and works great a year later. There's a premier upgrade available, burning a hole in my pocket.
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Here's my thinking:
The EVO is not future proof but it's not that bad because of CM. It's biggest gaping bottleneck is the GPU and 3.0 looks like it's bringing full on HW acceleration, so it may or may not run on the EVO favorably. I wouldn't take the risk based off of my impression of the 3D gallery (which is HW accelerated and does not run 100% smoothly in the EVO). IMO you should pass on the EVO 4G.
The EVO Shift is a whole lot safer. The HW in it is (or at least should be) very, very similar in performance to the Nexus S, so that considered, I think it's safe to say that it'll run any App or Android version that you throw at it for at least a year - year and a half. Being a HTC product you'll also get a lot of community dev here on XDA and on other sites. I think if you want a new phone now, it's a safe phone to get. The only question mark is whether it has a FFC which may or may not be important to you (but with the inevitable drop of GTalk video chat, I think it should be).
Dual cores: if you want to wait for the latest and greatest be prepared to wait forever.
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Here's my thinking:
The EVO is not future proof but it's not that bad because of CM. It's biggest gaping bottleneck is the GPU and 3.0 looks like it's bringing full on HW acceleration, so it may or may not run on the EVO favorably. I wouldn't take the risk based off of my impression of the 3D gallery (which is HW accelerated and does not run 100% smoothly in the EVO). IMO you should pass on the EVO 4G.
The EVO Shift is a whole lot safer. The HW in it is (or at least should be) very, very similar in performance to the Nexus S, so that considered, I think it's safe to say that it'll run any App or Android version that you throw at it for at least a year - year and a half. Being a HTC product you'll also get a lot of community dev here on XDA and on other sites. I think if you want a new phone now, it's a safe phone to get. The only question mark is whether it has a FFC which may or may not be important to you (but with the inevitable drop of GTalk video chat, I think it should be).
Dual cores: if you want to wait for the latest and greatest be prepared to wait forever.
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Pass on the Evo but go with the shift?? LMAO!!!! Now that is hilarious.
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Pass on the Evo but go with the shift?? LMAO!!!! Now that is hilarious.
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Yup, the first gen Snapdragon is from 2009 and it's GPU is ancient by current standards -- for comparison even the original Droid's PoweVR SGX 530 GPU was better. The shift should have the smaller, more energy effecient second gen Snapdragon/Scorpion CPU and the newer Adreno GPU that is roughly 3-4 times better.
Also note how I said that the EVO was good but not guaranteed to be as future proof? I'd rather recommend the phone that is worth having in the long run.
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Yup, the first gen Snapdragon is from 2009 and it's GPU is ancient by current standards -- for comparison even the original Droid's PoweVR SGX 530 GPU was better. The shift should have the smaller, more energy effecient second gen Snapdragon/Scorpion CPU and the newer Adreno GPU that is roughly 3-4 times better.
Also note how I said that the EVO was good but not guaranteed to be as future proof? I'd rather recommend the phone that is worth having in the long run.
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Seeing as most people have a phone 1-2 yr tops, the EVO will be just a relevent after 2 years as it was when it was released. Will run great on gingerbread and honeycomb as it does today. Also the shift is not even released and will be outdated before it is. The next round of releases will be dual core and by the time they are ready to hit the streets, the shift will be history.
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Seeing as most people have a phone 1-2 yr tops, the EVO will be just a relevent after 2 years as it was when it was released. Will run great on gingerbread and honeycomb as it does today. Also the shift is not even released and will be outdated before it is. The next round of releases will be dual core and by the time they are ready to hit the streets, the shift will be history.
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We don't know how the EVO will run Honeycomb, if at all. Honeycomb looks like it's the first Android version to have full hardware acceleration (2.3 doesn't yet). My one and only observation is that the EVO can chug on the 3D gallery which is HW accelerated and for simple things too - like opening the menu. will that also be the case with Honeycomb? I don't know but should any new customer take the risk?
I originally got the EVO for two reasons: CM declared support and since the EVO had the same internals as the Nexus One I knew that it would at least run most of the newer Android stuff through the year. While not the same, the CPUs in the Hummingbird and second gen Qualcomm CPUs are very similar and the GPUs are pretty much on par in terms of performance. So my rational is: anything the Nexus S will run, the Shift will probably be able to run too. The same can not be said of the EVO.
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We don't know how the EVO will run Honeycomb, if at all. Honeycomb looks like it's the first Android version to have full hardware acceleration (2.3 doesn't yet). My one and only observation is that the EVO can chug on the 3D gallery which is HW accelerated and for simple things too - like opening the menu. will that also be the case with Honeycomb? I don't know but should any new customer take the risk?
I originally got the EVO for two reasons: CM declared support and since the EVO had the same internals as the Nexus One I knew that it would at least run most of the newer Android stuff through the year. While not the same, the CPUs in the Hummingbird and second gen Qualcomm CPUs are very similar and the GPUs are pretty much on par in terms of performance. So my rational is: anything the Nexus S will run, the Shift will probably be able to run too. The same can not be said of the EVO.
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If you say so, running CM6 on mine and I have no chug while running the 3D gallery or any other app. So not sure what you mean.
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If you say so, running CM6 on mine and I have no chug while running the 3D gallery or any other app. So not sure what you mean.
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Of course you don't. The EVO is the most perfect phone ever made, there will never be a more advance phone. Ever. I must have been dreaming when I bought my parents the Optimus S (which has the same GPU but runs at a lower resolution), played around with the 3D gallery app and saw that it was 60 FPS smooth while my EVO was running at under 30 FPS for certain actions. Yeah, that must of been it.
Look, I'm giving my recommendation. Live with it. Make you own and let the OP decide.
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We don't know how the EVO will run Honeycomb, if at all. Honeycomb looks like it's the first Android version to have full hardware acceleration (2.3 doesn't yet). My one and only observation is that the EVO can chug on the 3D gallery which is HW accelerated and for simple things too - like opening the menu. will that also be the case with Honeycomb? I don't know but should any new customer take the risk?
I originally got the EVO for two reasons: CM declared support and since the EVO had the same internals as the Nexus One I knew that it would at least run most of the newer Android stuff through the year. While not the same, the CPUs in the Hummingbird and second gen Qualcomm CPUs are very similar and the GPUs are pretty much on par in terms of performance. So my rational is: anything the Nexus S will run, the Shift will probably be able to run too. The same can not be said of the EVO.
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I picked up the EVO for literally the exact same reasons. Everybody knew before the phone was released that it was running a QSD8650. Asus ran it in their EeePc middle of last year, and its been available to manufacturers since 2008...not exactly state of the art. Plus the adreno200 chip is terrible. I doubt anyone here bought the EVO thinking they were getting the top tier in cpu performance lol. Not trying to piss anyone off, but comeon the cpu in the EVO is halfassed compared to current OMAP, Hummingbird, or second gen snapdragons.
At this point honestly I would wait, not for dual core, but simply for Sprint to release something with a second gen processor. To my knowledge the LG Star is the only announced dual core phone at the moment. Its gonna be a bit before we see OEMs dropping dual core phones left and right.
Also the shift is not even released and will be outdated before it is. The next round of releases will be dual core and by the time they are ready to hit the streets, the shift will be history.
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How is the Shift gonna be outdated before its released? We dont even know whats in it...and by that logic, the EVO was outdated before it was released as well.
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I picked up the EVO for literally the exact same reasons. Everybody knew before the phone was released that it was running a QSD8650. Asus ran it in their EeePc middle of last year, and its been available to manufacturers since 2008...not exactly state of the art. Plus the adreno200 chip is terrible. I doubt anyone here bought the EVO thinking they were getting the top tier in cpu performance lol. Not trying to piss anyone off, but comeon the cpu in the EVO is halfassed compared to current OMAP, Hummingbird, or second gen snapdragons.
At this point honestly I would wait, not for dual core, but simply for Sprint to release something with a second gen processor. To my knowledge the LG Star is the only announced dual core phone at the moment. Its gonna be a bit before we see OEMs dropping dual core phones left and right.
How is the Shift gonna be outdated before its released? We dont even know whats in it...and by that logic, the EVO was outdated before it was released as well.
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Actually we do know whats in it, its all over the web, and yes the EVO was outdated just as is every smartphone released at any point in time. Manufactures always have the next one lined up prior to releasing any phone.
I was in the same boat but upgraded to EVO almost 2 weeks ago. The way I look at it is, with annual upgrades, why not?
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I was in the same boat but upgraded to EVO almost 2 weeks ago. The way I look at it is, with annual upgrades, why not?
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The EVO is 6 months old and the Shift is set to be released in about 3 weeks, that's why. Just sayin'.
I say if you can get the optimus S with your premier upgrade for free. get it.....and fleabay it. I did that and made a cool $245. Pocket the money and wait till CES and at least see whats coming out, if nothing peaks your interest then fork in an extra $100 or so and buy a brand new EVO outright on ebay (EVO maybe even cheaper at that point...)
Upgrades arent all about getting a new phone then and there, sometimes you gotta just buy something to "use" up your upgrade and sell the phone that will bring you back the best return. That way your upgrade renews itself quicker and you made some $$$ on the side... my 2 cents if you want to put in a little work.
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Damn... Who does not want this anymore after reading the spec sheet?
Pics
http://wmpoweruser.com/htc-hd7-in-real-pictures-looks-great-kickstand-on-display/
Pics
http://wmpoweruser.com/exclusive-htc-hd7-full-specs-revealed-confirms-t-mobile-usa-aws-support/
Specs
http://wmpoweruser.com/htc-hd7-specs-leak-with-tiny-picture-we-have-a-better-one/
Sad day for me.
Hopefully and probably fake.
The HTC HD series has always been their Top of the line phone, and I don't think that they'll release a phone that is an exact copy of the aging Desire hardwarewise. Espesially not when Qualcomm is delivering new, updated Snapdragon processors that's both more energy efficient and faster.
And 8GB memory? That'll be very tight for anyone planning to use their phone for media.
The specifications sheet might only be a placeholder until HTC officially announces the HD3/HD7... At least I hope so... And hope dies last!
I really hope this is a fake! Surely they wouldn't release a near copy if not inferior phone to the last model of thier flagship model!?
I have had my hTc hd2 leo since April, and it was my first smartphone. It took 3 solid days to get accustomed to the new frontier (mine was and still is a bit buggy), and no, I am too scared to flash ROMS just yet.
Although I have a TON of themes and other custom eye candy upgrades. I love cabs btw.
Anyways, if XDA were a woman I would make sweet love to it, but these conflicting reports are really bad.
Is it or is it not real?
I have a feeling that much like me most leo owners are gonna keep theirs even when newer HTC models arrive. Great hardware and an awesome crew of chefs will assure the popularity. I could be wrong, but that is my opinion.
a forward facing camera is about the only thing...oh, flash too, that I wish my dear leo had.
so, until there is solid evidence of the new phone XDA should be a bit more dilligent about moderating the posting real info because noobs like me confuse easily...
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They simply use and unblock with software some "features" of the Qualcomm chipset. Infact, if you look datasheet of Qualcomm 8250 you will see that he can record 720p video and have a 12mpx camera sensor inside..so the new economy is still use an "old" platform in brand new devices for show to us a sort of new model. I think that if HD2 today is still in the smartphone top-ten, we must say thanks to his versatility. Maybe HTC wasn't know 1 years ago that this device will be a miliar stone. Today we have android, winmo 6.5 and very probabily the new brand new WP7. We need other.?
And we must remember that also with the newest radio version, our HD2 received an increase of battey life. We have only trust in the time and in XDA Dev.
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Spec sheet aside, the external design is just flat out disappointing and underwhelming. What happened to the aluminum unibody on the other leaked phones? Why does that not carry over to flagship device? Instead we get this tacky looking plastic back.
I mean, it's just as if HTC said, "Let's take the HD2, remove the metal on the back, and remove the buttons on the front... and give it a kickstand because people love that s**t."
I can't make judgments until I actually hold the device, but so far, it doesn't look promising.
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^this too.
i love my hd2 , unless this phone blows my hd2 away ....it aint happening ,lets see closed platform and less storage .......NOT , ill stick with my hd2
All we need is a chef to move this to our HD2!
I will absolutely stick with an HD2 over the HD3. I don't think I'm going to like WP7, so I hope someone can get that OS on the HD2, just so I can play with it. It just seems too iPhone-ish to me.
Symbian seems kind an old system with others leaving it. ATT & Windows both closed systems. Android an open system where it appears to be growing. I'm just a runt though I learned & still use windows w/my PC but my Droid 2 still not comepletly rooted works OK, so I don't see myself using a WM 7 anytime soon.
I'm really not liking how all the confirmed WP7 devices will be sporting the first gen snapdragon processor (im assuming with the underpformating Adreno 200 GPU as well). In saying that, I'm still gonna wait til it is officially unveiled, if you guys don't remember, when the HD2 was leaked, it was said to have 320mb RAM.. it ended up having 448/576 instead, so theres still some hope.
If it remains, I'll be waiting for the samsung specs to pop out, hopefully hummingbird/SGX540 CPU/GPU combo.
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If it remains, I'll be waiting for the samsung specs to pop out, hopefully hummingbird/SGX540 CPU/GPU combo.
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This is not going to happen. There's one thing that's worse than a previous generation processor though - a new processor with drivers and software that cannot use it.
If the specs are right then it looks like those of us with a HD2 will probably be able to try WP7 sooner rather than later. As I don't want a new phone to be tempting me I am pretty happy about this
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This is not going to happen. There's one thing that's worse than a previous generation processor though - a new processor with drivers and software that cannot use it.
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How do you know there aren't working drivers? They are working perfectly on Android atm at least.
(For the dreamers of the 1st Gen, I wish you best of luck).
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This is not going to happen. There's one thing that's worse than a previous generation processor though - a new processor with drivers and software that cannot use it.
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All WP7 has are minimum requirements. i.e. ARMv7 Cortex/Scorpion or better... weird since last time i checked, the QSD8250 is not from the Scorpion family, and is only loosely related to the Cortex family (so spec changes could still occur imo).
Back to the point, if the Sammy were to have the Hummingbird/SGX540 combo, it still fullfills the minimum requirements (hummingbird is an ARMv7 Cortex CPU, so WP7 should support it). Last I heard, was that OEM's were to provide the GPU drivers, so if Sammy can make it work, that'd be awesome.
It was announced that all WP7 devices will be based on the same chip initially.
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It was announced that all WP7 devices will be based on the same chip initially.
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Ouch. That's ruined my day
I read rumors about this new next generation HTC phone code named "Pyramid" said to be built for Android. Will be running the next gen Snapdragon cpu = dual core 1.2ghz...1gb RAM...1gb Memory...newer 4.3" screen tech.
It is said to be coming to T-Mobile this May, but sure sounds like it could be the EVO2 ?
It's supposed to be a GSM device, so no Sprint. I don't doubt that the EVO2 will have similar specs though.
Hmm...so if the "Pyramid" isn't the base outline for the EVO2, I wonder what HTC has planned for the most powerful Android device for 2011 ?
Maybe the EVO2 is also delayed to September like the iPhone5.
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Maybe the EVO2 is also delayed to September like the iPhone5.
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as of now there is no evo2, just rumors we here created.
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as of now there is no evo2, just rumors we here created.
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Well same as the iPhone5, but we all know it is coming. Actually the iPhone5 was just delayed to September, and Apple never even announced it yet. But the big websites are pretty strong on this rumor.
Would be insanely dumb of Sprint, not to release a follow up to the EVO. Every popular phone gets a sequel a year later. The iPhone does every 12 months. The Nexus does every 12 months. The Droid series does every 12 months.
So I wood be shocked not to see an EVO2 this summer.
HTC sabor.
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Well same as the iPhone5, but we all know it is coming. Actually the iPhone5 was just delayed to September, and Apple never even announced it yet. But the big websites are pretty strong on this rumor.
Would be insanely dumb of Sprint, not to release a follow up to the EVO. Every popular phone gets a sequel a year later. The iPhone does every 12 months. The Nexus does every 12 months. The Droid series does every 12 months.
So I wood be shocked not to see an EVO2 this summer.
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Yes every 12 months and the nexus never had a nexus 2( nexus s was make by sansumg and came out before the 12 month cycle ) the droid inc the same way is the first time it will get a updgrade and about the iphone who knows but seriously if they make good phones (like video consoles ps3 and 360) they will last more then a year, technology evolves every year (months, weeks, days& hours) but you don't see sony coming out with another device every year (and video consoles cost the same as phones off contract) so im guessing they are going to release a phone in june,sprint been trying to battle the iphone for years now (samsung instinct, samsung instinc hd, palm pre and the Evo ) but as far as hardware goes the Evo came out 5-6 months after the first 1gz superdragon proccessor (nexus one ) and it looks like HTC doesn't have a dual core processor. yes the next phone is going to be faster but it wont wow you as much, I think apple takes an iphone out just to.compete as well(I had them too) like the first iphone (not 3G) next year was the iphone 3G(finally 3G on the famous phone ) and then the3GS faster for sure and the iphone 4 new design and multitasking, so yeah delaying the phone should help for consumer instead of screwing our money which so far that's how it looks
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HTC sabor.
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The Sabor is an outdated reference, running 2.5 ? Single core 2ghz ? Release end of 10' ?
i just want a higher density screen and I'm good.
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The Sabor is an outdated reference, running 2.5 ? Single core 2ghz ? Release end of 10' ?
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not only is the "Sabor" an outdated reference, but the website that released that info had been known to releasing information that wasn't credible in the past, and it was later debunked as false information.
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i just want a higher density screen and I'm good.
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Get lcd density from the market , but I hear you I hope we get the desire hd update with the same density
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Actually smart phones are more like video cards for PC Gamers than consoles.
ATI and nVidia, come out with high end $299-$600 video cards every year. Some years they release major next gen performance tech, and other years just a minor refresh. But every year like clockwork there is a new card out by each manufacturer. That is how I see high end phones like iPhone...Nexus...Droid...and now EVO series...
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Actually smart phones are more like video cards for PC Gamers than consoles.
ATI and nVidia, come out with high end $299-$600 video cards every year. Some years they release major next gen performance tech, and other years just a minor refresh. But every year like clockwork there is a new card out by each manufacturer. That is how I see high end phones like iPhone...Nexus...Droid...and now EVO series...
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Yeah but that question is, is it worth it? I mean the Evo was a mind blowing phone, first 4G , first ffc (in the states ) , first big screen for android (wm got it first) , etc, what phone can beat the Evo out of the waters without a dual core? (I don't care about 3d ) or any other new stuff? Like the nfc(which practicly is exclusive for nexus s for now )
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I am glad there are new revised phones every year. Technology can never rest. We must never be satisfied. Otherwise we still be using Razor phones.
I suspect the Evo will be relevant well past another year, especially given how much dev work is put into it. Once HDMI works (and it will) I will probably not suffer from Phone Envy for another 6 months at least, and likely much longer than that.
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I just hope if/when the EVO 2 is released, it has actual leading edge technology. From what I see it would be hard to beat a phone like the Optimus right now (as far as hardware specs). Maybe later in the year or next year. Sprint needs to get a dual core phone soon though.
The 1.2 Ghz chip that is supped to be in the Pyramid supports both GSM and CDMA (MSM8260 for GSM, MSM8660 for CDMA) so the Pyramid could be the EVO2 on Sprint, and some other similar phone on Tmo. I would seem smart to get the EVO2 on more than one carrier, since it was such a huge hit for tiny Sprint. Considering Sprint just sent out invites yesterday to CTIA on March 22nd saying they have a special product to unveil, my guess would be an EVO2 announcement. Especially since HTC's competitors have all already announced their next-gen phones.
good thinking medio gringo makes sense:
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...le-2-available-a/&category=classic&postPage=1
Its honestly a step down. I bought my dinc for the screen size. I don't want a bigger one!
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the INC2 looks like a nice device, but it doesn't offer much over the original DINC. 4" screen and a FF camera are not $200 worth of changes for me to switch.
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the INC2 looks like a nice device, but it doesn't offer much over the original DINC. 4" screen and a FF camera are not $200 worth of changes for me to switch.
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yeah. it has +256mb of ram .3" bigger screen and a FF camera... not worth another 2 year contract. maybe if it was 4g then i would get it but it doesn't even have that.
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the INC2 looks like a nice device, but it doesn't offer much over the original DINC. 4" screen and a FF camera are not $200 worth of changes for me to switch.
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Of course, you're also leaving out the faster gpu, 8th gen gps engine, newer SoC with higher OC ceiling, cdma/gsm radio, and apparent capability for SVDO,
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Of course, you're also leaving out the faster gpu, 8th gen gps engine, newer SoC with higher OC ceiling, cdma/gsm radio, and apparent capability for SVDO,
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Not to mention the next gen processor... It's worth it for me 3.7 is too small. plus all the other additions.
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Of course, you're also leaving out the faster gpu, 8th gen gps engine, newer SoC with higher OC ceiling, cdma/gsm radio, and apparent capability for SVDO,
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I do understand that device is newer and updated beyond the screen and camera, but dual core processors and LTE are going to make the lifespan of devices like this relatively short (IMO). I have no doubt that there are many improvements but I just don't see locking myself into a 2 year contract with this.
When Verizon got rid of the one year contract it made me rethink even being on Verizon. I might switch to Sprint for my next phone. I also consider a 4.3" screen to be a requirement for my next phone as well as 1gb ram and a dual core cpu.
oh, I'm getting this!
luckily for me im using my bros upgrade, and then mine runs out april 2012, so i can upgrade as well in april
Seems like the screen is a step down from the original, at least quality wise..
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dvdivx said:
When Verizon got rid of the one year contract it made me rethink even being on Verizon. I might switch to Sprint for my next phone. I also consider a 4.3" screen to be a requirement for my next phone as well as 1gb ram and a dual core cpu.
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I thought the same
throttling of the top 5%
14day return
removal of 1 year contract
Soon to have tiered data
with Sprint you need to be with them for 10 years (their premier program) to receive the 1 year upgrade
I'll wait for the next Inc next year if they have one. The Inc 2 is already dated with a dumbed down version of Sense 2.0, why can't the TB and Inc 2 access HTCSense.com VZW? Very disappointed.
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Anyone think they'll start giving these out for insurance claims since the og incredible is no longer being produced?
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Anyone think they'll start giving these out for insurance claims since the og incredible is no longer being produced?
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As I was reading that my friend bumped into me knocking my phone out of my hand, top right corner has a chip in the edge....
Can't really make up my mind on this phone. I am at the same time disappointed and oddly interested. I was really looking forward to a dual core 3.7" Incredible. Though this still does look like very nice device. Certainly not a good buy IMO however, with the advent of 4g and all the dual core chips coming out, there is no reason to trade my still excellent incredible at this time for an upgraded but still current-generation phone.
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Can't really make up my mind on this phone. I am at the same time disappointed and oddly interested. I was really looking forward to a dual core 3.7" Incredible. Though this still does look like very nice device. Certainly not a good buy IMO however, with the advent of 4g and all the dual core chips coming out, there is no reason to trade my still excellent incredible at this time for an upgraded but still current-generation phone.
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IMO, if you have an incredible then this isn't a good enough upgrade. Of course if you have lots of cash and you want the shiny new toy, I wouldn't blame ya- but I'm sure there's going to be some dual core phones coming out pretty soon. That's what I'm waiting for. That and they'd have to be 4G capable.
The incredible is still snappy and fast, my 3G speeds even average around 250kb/s and top out around 325kb/s so really no need for 4G because I can stream movies to my phone without buffer stops- and there's nothing else practical I can think of that would need any more speed than that.
In the Incredible 2 does anyone know if the internal storage on the phone will be any larger then the original, specifically the part that holds the ROM?
After seeing all the specs on this phone, and some hands on video, I am pretty dissapointed with the wait. There are phones out now that pretty much rival all aspects of the Nexus - except the ICS. In a month or so, ICS will be available to the the other phones. When it is, it will put the Nexus on par with them (or a notch below).
Whats all the hype about ? It seems like it is all around ICS, and a device we cannot yet get our hands on.
Ics. Duh.
I invented cyberspace. You're trespassing.
Why ?
Because of the ****ty carrier update system.
Personally Id by an Amaze 4g today if the stupid piece of crap carrier and HTC werent in the way of me getting Android 4.0. As it stands pretty much the only way you get to use it is by getting a GN or waiting 2-3 months for decent roms to come out.
Again. Since Google refuses to mandate min. time frames for carrier/OEM updates this means noone has a clue when they can get a major OS update. Making GN the only choice for months.
The HD screen is the second biggest factor , I havent seen any comparison to a QHD screen so dont know if its as big a deal as Im making it out to be.
The display, the OS, and the fact that it's a Nexus device. Win/Win/Win.
For me it's not having an annoying overlay. Touchwiz and Sense are ok, but I'd much rather have vanilla Android.
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After seeing all the specs on this phone, and some hands on video, I am pretty dissapointed with the wait. There are phones out now that pretty much rival all aspects of the Nexus - except the ICS. In a month or so, ICS will be available to the the other phones. When it is, it will put the Nexus on par with them (or a notch below).
Whats all the hype about ? It seems like it is all around ICS, and a device we cannot yet get our hands on.
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The Nexus line is not suppose to be "top of the line" spec phones.
But to answer your question, the Galaxy Nexus comes with ICS, that's why everyone wants it.
To put things into perspective. I bought my G2x a few month ago, and it shipped with Froyo, with a promised update to Gingerbread. This was many, many months after Gingerbread was released.
Typically, phones won't see the latest android OS a few month after the OS has been announced. So if you want the latest OS, you need to go with a Nexus device.
1.) ICS
2.) Likely to have a huge developer base
3.) Hardware fairly optimized for software (and according to: http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/17/2568348/galaxy-nexus-review , its blazing fast)
4.) 720p HD Screen (again according to the above link and also http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/11/17/galaxy-nexus-review-part-1-hardware-overview-video/ although the screen is pentile, it still is amazing)
5.) Vanilla Android
6.) ???
7.) Profit
Now, I can see why some people might not want to buy this phone because of the following three reasons:
1.) Low-standard GPU - could become obsoleted fairly quickly (really old GPU) and I highly doubt a lot of games in the future could run on this device
2.) Although the hardware is fast now, in a few months from now it may not be as fast in comparison to other devices. (Remember CES 2011 with the introduction of dual core smartphones? From then on, the single core processor phones were essentially obsoleted + it is rumoured that there will be quad core phones later this year - http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/11/15/r...ndroid-4-0-with-a-2-5ghz-quad-core-processor/)
3.) The battery life may not be great with this phone
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Whats all the hype about ? It seems like it is all around ICS, and a device we cannot yet get our hands on.
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that's exactly what it is a Developer reference phone for ICS
that's why you no longer see the state of the art hardware included anymore since Nexus S
I see all your points.
I guess I think Google/Samsung/Verizon, just dragged thier feet too long on getting it to market IMO. I think higher spec phones are just months away, so the only thing cutting edge here is ICS. Just my opinion.
Now, I do have the Nexus on the way, but I am just not going to be sleepless over it. I just sold my Galaxy Note (too big to function as a phone for me, but one hell of an information device), but I will always wonder how it would have performed with ICS versus GB.
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1.) Low-standard GPU - could become obsoleted fairly quickly (really old GPU) and I highly doubt a lot of games in the future could run on this device
2.) Although the hardware is fast now, in a few months from now it may not be as fast in comparison to other devices. (Remember CES 2011 with the introduction of dual core smartphones? From then on, the single core processor phones were essentially obsoleted + it is rumoured that there will be quad core phones later this year - http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/11/15/r...ndroid-4-0-with-a-2-5ghz-quad-core-processor/)
3.) The battery life may not be great with this phone
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hmmm... methinks you didn't give your cons much thought as they all contradict. each other.
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The Nexus line is not suppose to be "top of the line" spec phones.
But to answer your question, the Galaxy Nexus comes with ICS, that's why everyone wants it.
To put things into perspective. I bought my G2x a few month ago, and it shipped with Froyo, with a promised update to Gingerbread. This was many, many months after Gingerbread was released.
Typically, phones won't see the latest android OS a few month after the OS has been announced. So if you want the latest OS, you need to go with a Nexus device.
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I think the nexus phones are developer phones so are set at being what google expect the average phone to be in the middle ics lifetime. After all theres no point developing on a phone when no other phone comes close to the specs. The only benefit really is it gets the latest android first rather than waiting for manufacturer releases or even later for mobile operator releases.
Personally I'm still undecided and also considering the RAZR or waiting to see what comes out in the next few months. There is no phone which makes me think I must have it at all costs at the moment. SGS2 is meh, HTC XE looks nice but doesn't excite, only RAZR and Nexus I'm considering though I'd consider the rezound if it was available in the uk.
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hmmm... methinks you didn't give your cons much thought as they all contradict. each other.
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How so? I don't believe I did.
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gbroon said:
I think the nexus phones are developer phones so are set at being what google expect the average phone to be in the middle ics lifetime. After all theres no point developing on a phone when no other phone comes close to the specs. The only benefit really is it gets the latest android first rather than waiting for manufacturer releases or even later for mobile operator releases.
Personally I'm still undecided and also considering the RAZR or waiting to see what comes out in the next few months. There is no phone which makes me think I must have it at all costs at the moment. SGS2 is meh, HTC XE looks nice but doesn't excite, only RAZR and Nexus I'm considering though I'd consider the rezound if it was available in the uk.
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I wouldn't go for the RAZR, as many reviews I have seen put it on a bad place compared to the Nexus (E.g. www.theverge.com)
For me it's the screen and ICS ....Why the crappy gpu and only 5meg camera and sub par audio is beyond me.....I don't play many games but the gpu in the s2 woulda been nice..I sold my Vibrant and need a phone now might not wait and just get gs2..The gpu in the nexus is very dissapointing ...Why the newer high end device would be speced lower than the older s2 is just dumb imo.
I did find a store that imports them and is expected the 28th for $749 shipped......The gs2 will cost me $444 local tmo.....Decisions Decisions!
Until the quad cores come out much later in 2012 the galaxy nexus will mostly be top dog. The next batch of devices will all be dual core 1.5ish ghz, some will get some version of 720p screens some will not. We should see that clear through summer until the galaxy hd/3.
That's a pretty good run for a device add to it the google experience and well it should hold its own for two years easily. IMO the only people getting screwed are the people buying the gs2 now.
As long add it's out before the end of January on AT&T (unlikely) I'll buy the galaxy nexus otherwise I'll wait for summer.
Well now it looks like the GS2 has already been ported, so maybe months of wait will be reduced to weeks to get a usable ICS rom on some of the better devices. Cancelled my preorder(Nexus) and am thinking of purchasing another Note !
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For me it's the screen and ICS ....Why the crappy gpu and only 5meg camera and sub par audio is beyond me.....I don't play many games but the gpu in the s2 woulda been nice..I sold my Vibrant and need a phone now might not wait and just get gs2..The gpu in the nexus is very dissapointing ...Why the newer high end device would be speced lower than the older s2 is just dumb imo.
I did find a store that imports them and is expected the 28th for $749 shipped......The gs2 will cost me $444 local tmo.....Decisions Decisions!
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I'd like to refer you to here where they go beyond speculation and actually have the device so aren't pulling things out of thin air like 99% of the people here.
For people who tl;dr:
"Before we received the device, what troubled us was the idea of a last-generation GPU pushing 1280×720 pixels of the Galaxy Nexus’ screen — we can now say that fear is unfounded. We picked up and played a few games of Wind-up Knight and found it performed better in its native resolution than did the Motorola RAZR at 960×540. The RAZR uses the same GPU at a slightly slower speed, but has 40% fewer pixels. Google has done some serious tweaking to the graphics drivers to achieve such amazing results."
Just like how we don't compare ATI and Nvidia cards by their GFLOP's nor triangles per second, we should keep in mind that performance is dependant on both hardware and drivers - and varies with games just as some games naturally play better with Nvidia cards and some perform better with ATI/AMD cards. Drivers make a world of difference. Looks like Google/PowerVR/TI have done their job.
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For me it's the screen and ICS ....Why the crappy gpu and only 5meg camera and sub par audio is beyond me.....I don't play many games but the gpu in the s2 woulda been nice..I sold my Vibrant and need a phone now might not wait and just get gs2..The gpu in the nexus is very dissapointing ...Why the newer high end device would be speced lower than the older s2 is just dumb imo.
I did find a store that imports them and is expected the 28th for $749 shipped......The gs2 will cost me $444 local tmo.....Decisions Decisions!
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Once again, MP means jack **** EXCEPT picture size. Do your research before you comment. As some comparisons have said its only a little below the iPhone 4s in quality, and guess what? That's not due to MP.
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That review was pretty good.
How long until you believe this phone becomes obsolete? I hear a lot of people (and read them, too) say that this is probably the first phone they'd go the full 2 years with...however, being realistic, when was the last time you made it two years with the same device? I haven't gone two years with the same device since the original Razr was in style.
I know, I know, at 2gb ram, dual core, etc, this phone is far from becoming obsolete, so I'll rephrase that question for you: What feature on a future phone would make you make the switch from your Galaxy S3? Or are you confident enough that there will be no other phone in the next two years that can replace it?
When they release phones with 16 core Opterons in them
In the wise words of amd..:
MOAR CORES!!!!!
/sarcasm
My old s1 still works great
And really do we need to be able to play skyrim on a phone
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I've actually been impressed with mobile gaming...never was big on it but I have played 3D Spiderman, GTA 3, Fifa12, PES 2011 and 2012, NBA Jam, etc...been a great experience recently
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My old s1 still works great
And really do we need to be able to play skyrim on a phone
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Yes
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I don't know that I have a feature that I would jump ship for at this time ... but I wonder if, in 2 years, the size and use of applications will make even 2 gb of ram obsolete?
I'm in the camp that I can see keeping this phone throughout contract, but it is hard to tell if, in 1.5 to 2 years time, 2 GB of ram is actually not enough to keep up with programs/OS requirements. I don't necessarily think so, but remember back when 256MB of ram was a lot? That wasn't TOO long ago.
But, since I don't use my phone for intense gaming, I see this phone in my future for a long while - at least until the sandwich-making feature phone is announced.
I don't think it being obsolete would be the problem. I'll just want something newer at some point before two years. My Evo 3D could have easily lasted another year for my uses, but I still got a GS3.
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I don't think it being obsolete would be the problem. I'll just want something newer at some point before two years. My Evo 3D could have easily lasted another year for my uses, but I still got a GS3.
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You and I think alike. Also had Evo 3D, Razr, GNex, but still had to have the S3 and more than likely getting the Note 2 when it comes out
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Ill keep mine the whole 2 years (well 20 months or whatever it is) just like I have done with every other phone. While there may be something new and better out if you are always waiting for that you will never have a phone. That and the cost to buy phones off contract now are more than I want to spend.
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Ill keep mine the whole 2 years (well 20 months or whatever it is) just like I have done with every other phone. While there may be something new and better out if you are always waiting for that you will never have a phone. That and the cost to buy phones off contract now are more than I want to spend.
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That's why you make a friend who works for AT&T and gets all the new phones free who can turn around and sell em to u for 100-150...lol
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It will become obsolete sometime between Q4 2012 & Q2 2013. Qualcomm are already prepping the S4 QUAD for tablets this year and its performace is roughly x2 the Dual S4, and far exceeds the Exynos 4212+Tegra 3 if I read correctly. Technically the GPU in all Android phones are obsolete or slow in comparison to Apple's latest offerings(Imaginations is like a high-end Nvidia in the mobile-space, Adreno mid, and Tegra mid-high).
For some reason I feel someone is gonna make a 1080P phone, which is useless btw--just had to throw that out there for those that were unaware. Cores cores and more cores will probably be one of the more popular acts we see though, and 2GB-4GB Ram will be standard. Unfortunately I wish these companies would realize they need to relax b/c optimizations are practically nonexistent with Stock Android phones. I hate to constantly reference Apple & WP7/8, though it's a must. When i hear people telling me stuff like the HOAX or S3, or whatever dual/quad lags--lag. Seriously, these phones are using CPUs that theoretically should outperform the 4S/iPd3, but that's normally not the case. We are getting to a point where everyone is rushing to get out the latest and greatest, however all the hardware don't mean **** when the software can't match it.
P.S. Sorry about going off on a rant.
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We are getting to a point where everyone is rushing to get out the latest and greatest, however all the hardware don't mean **** when the software can't match it.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again here, I love Android OS but in terms of refinement iOS is better put together overall (speed, battery life, overall smoothness). Thats just my opinion.
and yes, quad core, 2GB RAM-LTE device is already out there in Korea... it wont be long until our dual core, 2GB RAM, LTE gets outdone hardware-wise down here
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I have been so disappointed with the radio in my t-mobile s3 because I cannot stream music without it cutting out constantly. I am actually going to demand a microsim adapter from them and return to my vibrant. If my data sucks so bad that I cannot consistently stream music in the car, what's the point of owning this without calling it just a pda.
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I have been so disappointed with the radio in my t-mobile s3 because I cannot stream music without it cutting out constantly. I am actually going to demand a microsim adapter from them and return to my vibrant. If my data sucks so bad that I cannot consistently stream music in the car, what's the point of owning this without calling it just a pda.
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What are u streaming? And what coverage do you have? 3G? H+?
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cue_32 said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again here, I love Android OS but in terms of refinement iOS is better put together overall (speed, battery life, overall smoothness). Thats just my opinion.
and yes, quad core, 2GB RAM-LTE device is already out there in Korea... it wont be long until our dual core, 2GB RAM, LTE gets outdone hardware-wise down here
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And it only took around 2 months for it to become obsolete then, not ideal in the world I would prefer, but I suppose it can't be helped. This phone could had been so much more if Samsung stuck with the SGX instead of adopting the Mali-400. It would had been so cool to have the CPU part of the S4 combined with a dual/quad SGX543/544 like the ipad/iphones. Those GPUs outperform even the silly Tegra 3 & its fancy 16 cores(which are just 16 weak cores throw together ). I don't know what Sammy or Qualcomm were thinking about. Everyone is just dropping the ball all over the place these days.
I'm not really sure, mainly because I'm not entirely vested in this phone as it is, so it probably wouldn't take much, provided I could sell this one and cover the majority cost of a replacement phone.
I think something with sufficient horsepower to run some things which even this phone can't, but that remains to be seen. One thing that could almost definitely sell me is a flagship phone like this one that has a hardware keyboard. The problem is that I'm in the minority, so a flagship Galaxy S or Nexus phone is highly unlikely to have one, and I care ever so slightly more about the fact that flagship phones have thriving development communities, whereas one-off phones, which I may like more, won't get the same kind of attention from either developers or manufacturers.
I'll keep my phone until my contract is up. I always have (except for my BB Storm which I *****ed about until they upgraded me). My OG Droid Inc lasted for 2 years until I got this S3 and it was still in like new condition. I was tired of the small screen, but the devs here kept the phone fresh.
Hell, part of me misses my Inc. (Love this phone, though.)
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Technically the GPU in all Android phones are obsolete or slow in comparison to Apple's latest offerings.
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Do you mean the dual core 800MHz in the 4S? That is Apple's current offering.
Since the definition of obsolete is...
1. out of use or practice; not current
2. out of date; unfashionable or outmoded
An old Startac is obsolete because it It can no longer be used. My old Motorola RAZR is not obsolete because I can still use it
for it's intended purpose.
I would say the phone will not be obsolete for many years to come. How can a device me considered obsolete if there is a phone
with a faster CPU or more memory? The phone can still be used for it's intended purpose.
My S3 can not do anything my Vibrant couldn't (with the same mechanicals), it only does it better.
Ian
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Do you mean the dual core 800MHz in the 4S? That is Apple's current offering.
Since the definition of obsolete is...
1. out of use or practice; not current
2. out of date; unfashionable or outmoded
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Actually when I said latest offering I was referencing the iPad 3. And actually I stated the GPU in Android devices are all obsolete(as in not current in terms of power). The Legendary SGX543 MP4 in the iPad 3 mops the floor of every single Android device to ever touch this world, even the soon to be made Adreno 320 in the new S4 QUAD(snapdragon) fails to match the creature. Even the 4S' SGX543 MP2 is barely phased by the Mali 400, Adreno 225, and Tegra 3's laughable 16 core toy. I have no doubt that the S3's CPU is superior at all.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6022/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-review-att-and-tmobile-usa-variants/4
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6112/...agon-s4-apq8064adreno-320-performance-preview
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6054/google-nexus-7-mini-review
^Just look there, every time Apple makes everyone look like a joke. As much as I dislike Apple's methods and price gouging what I say it true.
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It will become obsolete sometime between Q4 2012 & Q2 2013. Qualcomm are already prepping the S4 QUAD for tablets this year and its performace is roughly x2 the Dual S4, and far exceeds the Exynos 4212+Tegra 3 if I read correctly. Technically the GPU in all Android phones are obsolete or slow in comparison to Apple's latest offerings(Imaginations is like a high-end Nvidia in the mobile-space, Adreno mid, and Tegra mid-high).
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Obsolete (by my definition) doesn't mean that a newer/better product exists. Every device would be a obsolete within a few months if that were the case. To me obsolescence means that it either doesn't perform modern tasks acceptably or a new product feature is so desirable that you simply don't want your old device anymore.
We all know the S3 will handle Jelly Bean beautifully. I'm pretty confident it will be good for Key Lime Pie as well. I got close to 2 years from my OG Epic (Galaxy S1) and only upgraded short of 2 years because I could. With the strong CM/AOKP support this phone has, I'm fully confident I'll have this phone the full 2 years. Unless I break it, heh.