So I got my Evo in November. I was lucky enough to get HW003, so back in Nov, I used Unrevoked (and Forever, I think?). It looks like it all went fine, 4G has been working and I'm fully root'ed. Now I'm ready to jump over to Fresh, but I'm reading these threads about problems with Clockwork. I feel dumb, but I'm a little confused now. Is it safe for me to continue using Clockwork, as installed by Unrevoked? Or do I need to jump over to Amon Ra before I start doing anything? If that's the case, is there a best way to do that? Thanks in advance.
Baseband: 2.15.00.09.01
Software: 3.29.651.5
PRI: 1.77_003
PRL: 60671
H_BOOT: .97
You'll be fine using clockwork. The only problem with clockwork is that it occasionally doesn't clear cache and dalvik perfectly. I've been rooted and using CW for a LONG time. Trust me, it's safe
Cw is safe enough (although most probably use ar), but make sure you have at least one backup done with ar. Cw doesn't back up your wimax image. Ar does, and you may need it someday.
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ClockworkMod is not safe if you were to (accidentally) upgrade your hboot. Best to just stick with Amon_RA anyways, since it works properly.
(And to be honest, if you need ROM Manager to flash ROMs, you probably shouldn't have rooted your phone in the first place.)
Thanks guys. Looks like I may as well just move forward with Amon Ra.
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ClockworkMod is not safe if you were to (accidentally) upgrade your hboot. Best to just stick with Amon_RA anyways, since it works properly.
(And to be honest, if you need ROM Manager to flash ROMs, you probably shouldn't have rooted your phone in the first place.)
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The partitions on newer phones is the issue. You can use clockwork if you have older hardware and older camera chip. Just upgrading hboot does not change your partition sizes. I have gone from hboot 0.97 to 2.10 and back down to 0.76 with a launch day evo and partitions stayed the same.
If clockwork worked on your phone before it will also work now. If you have a newer phone with new camera chip there is a high chance that your phone has a different partition setup than the older phones and using clockwork or even regualr Amon-Ra will equally break the phone. There is only ONE version of Amon-Ra that works for these phones and the flashable zip can be found in Zikronix's root thread for hboot 2.02 and 2.10 phones.
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If clockwork worked on your phone before it will also work now.
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I used to agree with you, but not any more. For me, clockwork worked most of the time, but when the possibility is a bricked phone, most of the time is just not good enough. On the other hand, Amon_Ra works 100% of the time.
Frankly, Clockwork might be ok for flashing a rom, but I would never use it to flash radios or pri. As far as I am concerned it just doesn't work reliably enough to use it for anything important. So for me clockwork is pretty much useless. The only reason I keep it on my phone is that I paid five bucks for it, and it is the most convenient way to fix permissions.
For the record, I have had my 002 Evo since launch day. Rooted it using the original toast method. The first app I bought was Clockwork, which I used exclusively for about a month. After the second time a flash through clockwork went bad, I switched to Amon_Ra and have never had a bad flash since. Additionally, a nand backup through Amon_Ra backs up your RSA keys, Clockwork does not.
Ive always like Amon Ra better, only time I used Clockwork was to flash Amon Ra lol
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So I got my Evo in November. I was lucky enough to get HW003, so back in Nov, I used Unrevoked (and Forever, I think?). It looks like it all went fine, 4G has been working and I'm fully root'ed. Now I'm ready to jump over to Fresh, but I'm reading these threads about problems with Clockwork. I feel dumb, but I'm a little confused now. Is it safe for me to continue using Clockwork, as installed by Unrevoked? Or do I need to jump over to Amon Ra before I start doing anything? If that's the case, is there a best way to do that? Thanks in advance.
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If you want to switch to RA an easy way is to download Rom Manager from the market. There is an option in the app to flash to RA. After that, you can just uninstall Rom Manager since it only works with CW.
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Is there a download for the RA recovery for the slide I've been messin around with all this modding stuff since I got the phone and the only thing I haven't used is the amon_ra recovery. Can someone tell me how to use it thank you.
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Not yet. The standard recovery loading clockwork as an update.zip is all we have so far.
But you can use ClockWork Rom Manager and install the recovery image for HTC Aria. It has a few more options than the normal update zip. Also clicking on Reboot into Recovery works with that recovery image and boot straight into it. Rom Manager is a paid program, but well worth the money.
Its really not that hard to root dude im 15 and i was use do the amon ra but after a while clockwork rooting is all about patience :] and it made me feel accomplished and if i remember correctly you had to change the spl for amon and that killed a few pplz g1s
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Its really not that hard to root dude im 15 and i was use do the amon ra but after a while clockwork rooting is all about patience :] and it made me feel accomplished and if i remember correctly you had to change the spl for amon and that killed a few pplz g1s
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Not true. The G1 bricks were caused by flashing the "danger" SPL before flashing the correct radio during the original root process. Also, the stock SPL on the G1 was read/write which allowed a custom recovery once rooted. HTC lately, for whatever reason, has decided to make their SPL's read only which is why we can't flash a recovery.
Hmmmmm yes I agree and well I guess I learned somethin new.
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Hey guys and gals,
This is my first post and i need some help. Here's the story.
I rooted my phone a few weeks ago, everything went stunningly easy, and worked great. Clockworkmod recovery was installed (by unrevoked) at this time. While driving home I broke my phone's screen and had to get a replacement phone. Asurion had a phone to me within 18 hours (my word they're fast). I slapped the 16GB SD card from my first phone in and I was off and running.
So I have my new phone with my original 16GB SD card and set it up normally again. I wanted to wait a bit and get it set prior to rooting again. Tonight I rooted the phone with Unrevoked 3.21 as I did before. It went much faster than before. I now have S-Off but clockworkmod recovery is not on my hboot screen and recovery mode doesn't work at all. Just a black screen for about 15 seconds before loading into the OS.
Have I screwed up a one click root? I've tried a few things.
I used droid-life as a guide to help me root.
Phone Stats:
Droid Incredible
Asurion replacement
OS 2.2
radio 2.15.00.07.28
kernel 2.6.32.15-gb7b01d1
build 3.21.605.1 CL231334 release-keys
Although clockworkmod recovery isn't in Hboot the reflash tool still says "Recovery Image: ClockworkMod Recovery" on the bottom. I have tried renaming the clockworkmod folder on the SD card to see if it would create a new one, or boot into clockworkmod recovery after realizing the folder is not there.
I have also tried formatting my SD card and running the reflash tool again. Again no dice, no recovery mode.
I have tried unrevoked 3.21 after every change.
What have I done? what do I do? any suggestions?
Thanks for anybody and everybody's input. I appreciate it. I would like to start flashing roms but really dont want to mess with it if I dont have a recovery option.
-MOJO
Is it a complete download of the unrevoked tool? Sounds almost like the recovery package isn't there. Try redownloading unrevoked and run it again. Do you have root and Superuser app at least? If so, try downloading and running ROM Manager and tell it to flash Clockwork again. Still no dice, try telling it to flash RA recovery. And for the record, which screen do you have?
I wish I knew
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And for the record, which screen do you have?
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thanks for the quick reply I will try that. Yes I have root and the superuser app.
I dont know how to tell which screen I have, but I was wondering the same thing. BoyGeniusReport says its incredibly hard to tell the difference and I haven't found were it says SLED vs AMOLED
Grrrr
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Is it a complete download of the unrevoked tool? Sounds almost like the recovery package isn't there. Still no dice, try telling it to flash RA recovery.
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Downloaded unrevoked 3.21 straight from unrevoked twice.
Tried the reflashing clockworkmod recovery, no dice.
Whats an RA recovery?
RandomMOJO said:
Downloaded unrevoked 3.21 straight from unrevoked twice.
Tried the reflashing clockworkmod recovery, no dice.
Whats an RA recovery?
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It's an alternate recovery. Here's the link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=758874
It's also the second to the last option in ROM Manager. Flash Alternate Recovery: RA_GNM Recovery v1.7.6
I actually like that one better. It was able to format my SD card correctly. I just miss the integration with ROM Manager.
Phew... It worked.
the alternate recovery worked.
now if I want to flash ROMs do I need to know anything in particular before doing so with the AMON_RA recovery tool.
I downloaded the a4d utility that I found when doing a search for AMON_RA on appbrain. It asks if I want to flash my phone to unlock my bootloader (and void my warranty, haha).
do I need to unlock my bootloader before flashing ROM's
I like the sense UI. thats all I have actually used. Is there anything better? what are suggested, STABLE, ROMs/kernels for the DInc? or should I stay "stock 2.2 rooted"?
RandomMOJO said:
the alternate recovery worked.
now if I want to flash ROMs do I need to know anything in particular before doing so with the AMON_RA recovery tool.
I downloaded the a4d utility that I found when doing a search for AMON_RA on appbrain. It asks if I want to flash my phone to unlock my bootloader (and void my warranty, haha).
do I need to unlock my bootloader before flashing ROM's
I like the sense UI. thats all I have actually used. Is there anything better? what are suggested, STABLE, ROMs/kernels for the DInc? or should I stay "stock 2.2 rooted"?
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Uncommon sense with king kernel bfs # 5 is as good or better than stock.
Btw. Hboot only shows recovery, not clockwork recovery. Did you ever try selecting recovery from hboot?
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Uncommon sense with king kernel bfs # 5 is as good or better than stock.
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and still has all the capabilities of stock 2.2 (GPS, WIFI Tether, etc), I know that was a problem at one point. I assume/hope all has been fixed with those issues.
With flashing ROMs. do Custom ROM's have the bloatwear (CityID) removed?
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and still has all the capabilities of stock 2.2 (GPS, WIFI Tether, etc), I know that was a problem at one point. I assume/hope all has been fixed with those issues.
With flashing ROMs. do Custom ROM's have the bloatwear (CityID) removed?
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Uncommon sense has some of it removed. Some of it you can remove yourself. It's the only rom I've donated to and had on my phone more than two days.
Just be careful if removing stuff. Some of it has other dependencies. There are guides on how to remove things safely without breaking other functionality.
Also do a backup first. I'm not sure how amon ra works, but it must be in there somewhere.
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and still has all the capabilities of stock 2.2 (GPS, WIFI Tether, etc), I know that was a problem at one point. I assume/hope all has been fixed with those issues.
With flashing ROMs. do Custom ROM's have the bloatwear (CityID) removed?
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I used to use Virtuous 3.0.1, but I've switched over to Redemption ROM 2.0.5
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Also do a backup first. I'm not sure how amon ra works, but it must be in there somewhere.
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It is. In the main menu, just like Clockwork
So I definitely have recovery with the amon_RA 1.7.6 alternative recovery with the ROM manager. but from what I have read I can no longer use ROM manager to flash.
Now I have been searching for information/instructions on how to use AMON_RA but have come up short, at least recently written stuff. I can find a ton of information about clockworkmod which I assume is because of Unrevoked 3.21.
PonsAsinorem as you said you miss the integration of ROM manager. I really want to use ROM manager.
I read somewhere in XDA that people were having trouble using clockworkmod and ROM manager and it could be because of a corrupted cache. there were some LIMITED instructions about using ADB to fix it but I wasn't completely understanding them.
I think my problem is spawning from using my old SD card and maybe a corrupted cache. I have made a back up using Amon_RA (actually two).
Does anyone think that completely formatting my SD card (after moving my backups to my MAC) and factory restoring my phone. then reflashed using unrevoked 3.21, or reflashed clockworkmod recovery using rom manager would work to solve my problem with clockworkmod recovery?
I would have backups if it didn't work. I would just have to restore the Amon_RA backup if I screwed anything up or wanted my SD card back... Right?
Thanks for all the help so far.
MOJO
Found this and it solved the problem for me:
http://androidforums.com/incredible...ckwork-recovery-blank-screen.html#post1723460
dirtpan said:
Found this and it solved the problem for me:
http://androidforums.com/incredible...ckwork-recovery-blank-screen.html#post1723460
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Dirtpan. you're a lifesaver thanks for pointing me at this. saved clockwork for me. All this time, its because I have the new SLCD screen as opposed to the AMOLED screen.
For the record, my wife has an AMOLED screen and I an SLCD. I can see no discernible difference.
Thanks again everybody for the help.
MOJO
OK here's my situation.
I bought the EVO back when it came out, then when 2.2 rolled out through sprint I did the OTA update. Shortly after that, I followed the 2-part video on youtube on rooting it, and I was successful.
I had some problems with the GMail app so I did the second OTA update (knowing I was going to lose root.) So here's my question. Do I need to go back and do the whole 2-part video on rooting my phone again? If so, how do I install the Custom ROM's listed on this site?
I've never did much with my evo until the 2-part rooting method on youtube, and I just followed the instructions.
Any help would be appreciated, thanks.
EDIT: when I followed the youtube video, I used Amon Ra recovery. I'm not sure if the latest OTA update affected that or not.
u need to root the phone using the latest method. try this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=828437
Just use unrevoked 3 one click root very simple
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My security is off, here's what my phone says when I boot into HBOOT:
SUPERSONIC EVT2-3 SHIP S-OFF
HBOOT-0.97.0000
MICROP-041f
TOUCH PANEL-ATMELC03_16ac
RADIO-2.15.00.09.01
Aug 19 2010, 14:29:08
But when I go to boot into recovery, I get a picture of a phone with a red exclamation mark next to it (I assume my Amon Ra recovery is either corrupt or missing, thanks to the last OTA update I did on my Evo)
I mean do I need to go through the whole rooting process over again, just as if I received a brand new Evo?
Just run unrevoked again so it can push a recovery image to your phone.
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Just run unrevoked again so it can push a recovery image to your phone.
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Exactly what he said just run unrevoked 3 that's all there is to it any problem after that is likely an Id10t error
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I got it. I actually decided to run Unrevoked before seeing those last 2 posts
The first try of unrevoked didn't work, had to run it a second time, and bingo.
I just installed EViO ROM, and I love it!
Now i have another quick question, say if i want to flash a custom boot animation or another lock screen, I do that exactly the same way as I flashed the ROM, correct?
Thanks for all your help, the members at XDA ROCK!
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I got it. I actually decided to run Unrevoked before seeing those last 2 posts
The first try of unrevoked didn't work, had to run it a second time, and bingo.
I just installed EViO ROM, and I love it!
Now i have another quick question, say if i want to flash a custom boot animation or another lock screen, I do that exactly the same way as I flashed the ROM, correct?
Thanks for all your help, the members at XDA ROCK!
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Yes everything is flashed through recovery. I always wipe cache and dalvik before flashing anything. Make sure you make some nandroid backups before you play around too much so you can recover quickly. Amon RA recovery is recommended over clockwork.
OK I'll install Amon Ra soon, that's what I had previously used in my first rooting experience. I did a Nandroid backup before I installed my first custom ROM, and I believe my radios and everything else are all up-to-date, so I don't think I should have any problems as far as that goes.
EDIT: Now I'm just looking for a stock 2.2 rooted ROM to restore to in case I decide to go back to stock again.
Long story short:
Read up about losing wimax numbers or something if I only backup with clockwork, so I use Rom manager to switch to amon ra 1.8, every thing was fine showed the with under current recovery. So I entered recovery, well hboot screen? White screen options usb recovery reboot ect. Then I hit recovery like I have done before and it took me back to about the same screen maybe options rearranged. Tried a few times same result so rebooted all was fine and I figured I would switch back and try clockwork, no big dealer I would Google later. So I switched back, verifies in Rom manager under current recovery. Then I try again, same results. So rebooted and Google to no results finally decide to come here and hope for an answer. Before you ask I am fully rooted s-off double checked for the last few months, current Rom is Myn's warm rsl4 awesome Rom Myn's stuff is great and my phone is still working and running better then ever. This is a new problem nothing has changed except maybe a few games, nothing with root privilege or kernels, radios ect. I am on the latest (prior) to 3.7 radios and what not, this problem is much newer than any of my changes and I have backed up since then. Any help guys would be great, especially a solution where I don't need to redo my phone, I only planned on doing that for Myn's rsl5
New symptoms:
Can not backup with Rom manager, goes to bootloader and has the same outcome as the other attempts.
Updated Rom manager, it said new clockwork, tried to flash, came back with a error. Before I could switch from clockwork amon ra and back, now if my evo messes up or I need to update my Rom what do I do?
Spelling/grammar Nazi's please be kind, it is 4 something am and I am a stressed and tired mom
kpost said:
Long story short:
Read up about losing wimax numbers or something if I only backup with clockwork, so I use Rom manager to switch to amon ra 1.8, every thing was fine showed the with under current recovery. So I entered recovery, well hboot screen? White screen options usb recovery reboot ect. Then I hit recovery like I have done before and it took me back to about the same screen maybe options rearranged. Tried a few times same result so rebooted all was fine and I figured I would switch back and try clockwork, no big dealer I would Google later. So I switched back, verifies in Rom manager under current recovery. Then I try again, same results. So rebooted and Google to no results finally decide to come here and hope for an answer. Before you ask I am fully rooted s-off double checked for the last few months, current Rom is Myn's warm rsl4 awesome Rom Myn's stuff is great and my phone is still working and running better then ever. This is a new problem nothing has changed except maybe a few games, nothing with root privilege or kernels, radios ect. I am on the latest (prior) to 3.7 radios and what not, this problem is much newer than any of my changes and I have backed up since then. Any help guys would be great, especially a solution where I don't need to redo my phone, I only planned on doing that for Myn's rsl5
New symptoms:
Can not backup with Rom manager, goes to bootloader and has the same outcome as the other attempts.
Updated Rom manager, it said new clockwork, tried to flash, came back with a error. Before I could switch from clockwork amon ra and back, now if my evo messes up or I need to update my Rom what do I do?
Spelling/grammar Nazi's please be kind, it is 4 something am and I am a stressed and tired mom
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Not sure if you have tried this but it worked for me.. Uninstall rom manager completely and then re-install it.. flash clockwork first and then reboot into recovery from rom-manager.. if it loads.. reboot and go back into rom-manager and install amon-ra.. if it doesn't load reboot and flash amon-ra and try it that way... if that doesn't work and you're comfortable with fastboot or adb download amon-ra and follow the instructions here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=705026
Hope this helps :/
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Not sure if you have tried this but it worked for me.. Uninstall rom manager completely and then re-install it.. flash clockwork first and then reboot into recovery from rom-manager.. if it loads.. reboot and go back into rom-manager and install amon-ra.. if it doesn't load reboot and flash amon-ra and try it that way... if that doesn't work and you're comfortable with fastboot or adb download amon-ra and follow the instructions here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=705026
Hope this helps :/
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I can confirm that what zphotop did, worked for me too. I have had this problem a couple of times.
It worked, thank you guys so much
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So I downloaded it and love it. But it won't let me access my recovery when my phone is off and I hold power and the down volume anymore. Any suggestions?
richdogg112 said:
So I downloaded it and love it. But it won't let me access my recovery when my phone is off and I hold power and the down volume anymore. Any suggestions?
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what recovery are you on?
I use clockwork. What happened was I thought I used mybackup pro to download all the apps but I think I just backed up the data. So I wanted to flash back to sprint lovers and use it to re back up the apk + data. Anyway, I just backed up the Fresh rom through clockwork and I'm pretty sure I can flash back to SL from there too, right?
richdogg112 said:
I use clockwork. What happened was I thought I used mybackup pro to download all the apps but I think I just backed up the data. So I wanted to flash back to sprint lovers and use it to re back up the apk + data. Anyway, I just backed up the Fresh rom through clockwork and I'm pretty sure I can flash back to SL from there too, right?
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Yes you can, I personally don't use clockwork but I think when running the 2.3 GB beta it might not work correctly with recovery thats not up to date. I use amon ra 2.3 it works for me; are you on clockwork 3.0?
I'm on the most updated one, so yes 3.0, I haven't tried amon ra yet but I've heard a lot of people prefer that over clockwork. I'm in the process of restoring my SL rom so I'll keep you updated. Thank you for the quick responses
No problem, yes I prefer amon ra myself but its the users choice. If you still can't get in recovery I'd say try it on amon ra for the fresh beta then go back to clockwork. Only thing about switching recoveries is that you can't restore backups from one recovery to another!
I've never booted up or flashed through clockwork so this was new to me. I've always done it the old fashioned way I guess. This is a lot easier. I've read a bit on the differences with amon ra and clockwork, but it's always better to get perspective from a user. So why did you chose amon ra over clockwork?
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I've never booted up or flashed through clockwork so this was new to me. I've always done it the old fashioned way I guess. This is a lot easier. I've read a bit on the differences with amon ra and clockwork, but it's always better to get perspective from a user. So why did you chose amon ra over clockwork?
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Lol well lets just leave it at personal preference. Its said that clockwork has trouble wiping dalvik/cache at times, and other random issues and since my g1 days back in 2008 I've always ran with amon ra. There's other reasons why I will NEVER run clockwork but I think ill keep those to myself lol. Wouldn't want to start drama around here
edit: dirty beat me to it.
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I've never booted up or flashed through clockwork so this was new to me. I've always done it the old fashioned way I guess. This is a lot easier. I've read a bit on the differences with amon ra and clockwork, but it's always better to get perspective from a user. So why did you chose amon ra over clockwork?
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clockworkmod can be controlled by rom manager, which is helpful for noobs, and is a bit cleaner, but cant read amend scripting. amend is much easier to write, and more widely known. most flashable zips are written in amend, because it's more flexable and everything. only a few big roms are written in edify. amon-ra can read both amend and edify. so it's much easier for me and other minor/learning developers to write in amend.
I apologize, that's what I meant I was doing. I'm using Rom Manager to flash. I've had my Evo since October and just rooted it about a week ago when I got my Xoom. I'm very noobish still and still learning the programs for rooting.
richdogg112 said:
So I downloaded it and love it. But it won't let me access my recovery when my phone is off and I hold power and the down volume anymore. Any suggestions?
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You'll need to turn off fast boot in the settings. When that's on, the phone doesn't completely shut off.
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You'll need to turn off fast boot in the settings. When that's on, the phone doesn't completely shut off.
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*facepalm* I completely forgot about that which is funny because that's one of the first things I did myself lol
I knew I was gonna love this XDA site. Fast, helpful responses. Guess I'm used to forums putting down the other users.
richdogg112 said:
I knew I was gonna love this XDA site. Fast, helpful responses. Guess I'm used to forums putting down the other users.
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hahah if you do it right you will. post a question in the dev section, or without searching first, or jsut a dumb question.... here's what you get. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1047664 lol
Lol, I tried a search for it and the only thread that came up was the dev one, since I just joined I couldn't post there and came here. So even if I end up with a bad experience down the road, first impression was a very good one