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Hi Cookers and Devs,
We face a set of problems with Hero custom roms. The fact is that nobody has been able to port another device's rom, even a cupcake rom. We always face the same main problems: no bluetooth, no trackball, no camera, no accelerometer and, most of the time, no GPS. We all tried lots of cooking (changed many files, libs etc...) with no success.
That is why we thought we were missing kernel sources. Now we have them, we have noticed that the customization of stock android-msm sources by HTC is huge compared to, for example, the small kernel patch for sapphire 32a devices. To port the changes to 2.6.29 kernel sources, we need an expert kernel developer witch our hero dev community lacks. But, the fact that we face the same problems for porting cupcake and donut roms make me think that the kernel version is NOT the problem.
My thought is that HTC's android customization may be huge too... (android framework may have been modified) But because of android's apache license they don't have to release sources. It is a hard and long work to guess all those changes...
Concerning rom cooking, Sapphire/Dream Cookers faced the same problems porting Hero roms to there devices for a long time. Drizzy has got bluetooth fixed no so long ago.... I am sure they have the knowledge we miss. But we then face an other problem, most of those Cookers think Hero is ****,or don't want to know anything about non google branded devices, or, coming from WinMo world, have lots of difficulties sharing their knowledge...
I suggest that we, all Hero rom cookers and devs, try to port Sapphire AOSP Cupcake to Hero. Why cupcake? Because we can be sure kernel version 2.6.27 is ok with it. I am pretty sure that, once done, we will be able to port other roms.
The progress of that work would go to this thread.
What you (devs and cookers) think ?
The 3.03 ROM I posted once was based on a Sapphire.
The easiest to port is the 32A.
Though a few things weren't working as planned, and the rom was plagued with speed issues, it worked.
(sometimes, it's a matter of coupling the right init from the initrd - kernel part)
The harder part is porting ROMs which are meant to be run on a 2.6.29 kernel.
My guess?
I've taken a look at the 2.6.27/29 diff, and it isn't worth the time, to get a community-driven 2.6.29 tree.
HTC will long before that release the 2.6.29 kernel.
adwinp said:
The 3.03 ROM I posted once was based on a Sapphire.
The easiest to port is the 32A.
Though a few things weren't working as planned, and the rom was plagued with speed issues, it worked.
(sometimes, it's a matter of coupling the right init from the initrd - kernel part)
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Was it cupcake? Did bluetooth, accelerometer, Gps worked? Any link to it?
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The harder part is porting ROMs which are meant to be run on a 2.6.29 kernel.
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Well, sure it is harder, but we face about the same as porting ROMs which are meant to be run on a 2.6.27 kernel. That is what makes me think kernel version may not be the solution for most of the problems we face.
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My guess?
I've taken a look at the 2.6.27/29 diff, and it isn't worth the time, to get a community-driven 2.6.29 tree.
HTC will long before that release the 2.6.29 kernel.
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Yes it worth the time. Creating a 2.6.29 branch on github easy, applying patch isn't: many rejects. And yes we'll have to wait a long time for HTC to release 2.6.29 Hero kernel sources
we need an expert kernel developer witch our hero dev community lacks
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regarding that issue, maybe we could setup some kind of donation and give the donation as a "reward" to the "expert" dev who first can provide a working kernel...?
i know its a long shot...
and it all depends on how willing the HERO community is willing to donate...
nice going guys. i was really getting tired to see no remarkable development in hero and was planning to get an additional dream just for playing. and i was really dissappointed seeing hero cookers not giving much **** about roms and releasing nice stuffs.
now i understand what the barricades are. and yeah its true that dream and sapphire cookers really dont give **** about hero. i am creating a theme of my own and wanted to have a transparent top taskbar and top clock color black and i asked several time sin dream and sapphire threads but dint get a SINGLE reply.
however, its really true that HTC wont be giving us 2.6.29 any time soon rather will make it as longer as possible. so it would be best to try ourselves to make it ourselves. and as its really a troublesome work it wud be really great if u guys cud have worked together to get it quickly.
and as we all know none of u live on cooking roms i wud really to contribute in the donation thing as much i can. a $20 donation doesnt really hurt much to get my $700 phone going.
last but not the least... request to other fellow hero users....... please help ourselves by rising a fund of donation for our cookers so that they get enough encouragement for cooking hero roms.
regards
have you taken into consideration that eclair is about to come? i don't want to take the fun out of it, in fact i think it is a very good idea what lox proposed here. but i myself find myself rather reluctant to try to mod anything except tweaking mcr2.9 a little more... not that i had the capabilities to seriously do some kernel hacking/modding/developing, but at least i was able to compile my own working kernel, so i am not completely clueless.
again, don't want to take the fun out of it, i would just imagine that you have a hard time motivating members to donate 1.5/1.6 improvement, when eclair is just around the edge...
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have you taken into consideration that eclair is about to come? i don't want to take the fun out of it, in fact i think it is a very good idea what lox proposed here. but i myself find myself rather reluctant to try to mod anything except tweaking mcr2.9 a little more... not that i had the capabilities to seriously do some kernel hacking/modding/developing, but at least i was able to compile my own working kernel, so i am not completely clueless.
again, don't want to take the fun out of it, i would just imagine that you have a hard time motivating members to donate 1.5/1.6 improvement, when eclair is just around the edge...
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bro dont get me wrong......... but do u really beleive that htc is going to give us eclair in 1-2 months? i mean if they were this kind then why they dint kernel or source code for hero earlier? do u think htc will release better os for a phone which is already 7 months old rather upgrading the new released phones and releasing new handsets? bro those phone companies are here for doing business , not serving customer's after sales needs.
if u still want to wait believing that htc is ur friend then its ur call and best of luck with that. but after buying these costly handsets for last 6-7 years i know it very well that nokia, samsung, htc never going to keep their promises regarding firmwares.
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bro dont get me wrong......... but do u really beleive that htc is going to give us eclair in 1-2 months? i mean if they were this kind then why they dint kernel or source code for hero earlier? do u think htc will release better os for a phone which is already 7 months old rather upgrading the new released phones and releasing new handsets? bro those phone companies are here for doing business , not serving customer's after sales needs.
if u still want to wait believing that htc is ur friend then its ur call and best of luck with that. but after buying these costly handsets for last 6-7 years i know it very well that nokia, samsung, htc never going to keep their promises regarding firmwares.
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well obviously you have more experience with the smartphone stuff, my (first and) last one (before the hero) died in 2005... but i won't give up the hope
all i am saying is that this should be taken into consideration, before anyone starts a donation run that ends up having collected 160$ and a whole bunch of disappointed members...
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well obviously you have more experience with the smartphone stuff, my (first and) last one (before the hero) died in 2005... but i won't give up the hope
all i am saying is that this should be taken into consideration, before anyone starts a donation run that ends up having collected 160$ and a whole bunch of disappointed members...
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bro i completely understand what u wanna say as the money we want to donate has to be earned by hard work by us. but u be sure that it will be at least 4-5 months before u get full eclair for hero. and i recon if our devs work unitedly and gets some expert help from outside then its possible to get 2.6.29 kernel and other things in 1-1.5 month.
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And yes we'll have to wait a long time for HTC to release 2.6.29 Hero kernel sources
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Given that HTC haven't shipped a Hero with a 2.6.29 kernel, they have no requirement to do so!
HOWEVER......
What about the Tattoo? That's Donut, so it will have a 2.6.29 kernel, and therefore HTC must provide the kernel source. I'll wager there is some significant similarity between the kernel modifications required for Hero and those required for the Tattoo.
Perhaps it is time for us to start badgering HTC for the Tattoo kernel source!
FWIW, I've been trying to build a 2.6.29 kernel using a diff patch for AOSP 2.6.27 vs Hero 2.6.27, but I seem to be thwarted at every turn.
Regards,
Dave
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bro dont get me wrong......... but do u really beleive that htc is going to give us eclair in 1-2 months? i mean if they were this kind then why they dint kernel or source code for hero earlier? do u think htc will release better os for a phone which is already 7 months old rather upgrading the new released phones and releasing new handsets? bro those phone companies are here for doing business , not serving customer's after sales needs.
if u still want to wait believing that htc is ur friend then its ur call and best of luck with that. but after buying these costly handsets for last 6-7 years i know it very well that nokia, samsung, htc never going to keep their promises regarding firmwares.
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Ok i am speechless now .... i mean i have to agree with "dying4004"... These companies are really only making money and dont give a rat's ass about customer services and after sales... i mean thats the real logic behind it right... WOW u have opened my eyes dude ....
but BRO i wanted some insight into something that has been induced into our brains for so long... Without customers companies cant make money... i mean any one with a brain would obviously not go for a company that has screwed him over with false promises, right? Yet all the companies ( or should i say SATAN WORSHIPERS ) are still in the bidnes and still making money and people ( minions ) are still buying products from these companies...
i did some thinking and i remember i had a HTC diamond and the track pad was a bit faulty so i took it to the Htc service center and they REPLACED the trackpad !!! i mean what atrocity innit... EVIL EVIL EVIL ...
lolz ... dying4004 why are you against these companies and more so why are u hell bent on preaching a March-April release of Eclair for Hero.... i have seen u do that in other threads as well....
If u have had a bad experience with one of these companies, please do share coz i am begining to think that it will make for an interesting listen.
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Ok i am speechless now .... i mean i have to agree with "dying4004"... These companies are really only making money and dont give a rat's ass about customer services and after sales... i mean thats the real logic behind it right... WOW u have opened my eyes dude ....
but BRO i wanted some insight into something that has been induced into our brains for so long... Without customers companies cant make money... i mean any one with a brain would obviously not go for a company that has screwed him over with false promises, right? Yet all the companies ( or should i say SATAN WORSHIPERS ) are still in the bidnes and still making money and people ( minions ) are still buying products from these companies...
i did some thinking and i remember i had a HTC diamond and the track pad was a bit faulty so i took it to the Htc service center and they REPLACED the trackpad !!! i mean what atrocity innit... EVIL EVIL EVIL ...
lolz ... dying4004 why are you against these companies and more so why are u hell bent on preaching a March-April release of Eclair for Hero.... i have seen u do that in other threads as well....
If u have had a bad experience with one of these companies, please do share coz i am begining to think that it will make for an interesting listen.
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bro i am not against all those companies. i mean then i cant use any mobile phone. i am just practical. just see how the nokia users r complaining about firmwares for their high end phones. how much craving is going within the 5800 users for kinetic scrolling. check how much impatience is going through the samsung omnia i8910 users for a single new rom. see how u guys did for the source code for hero. what i am saying is simple......... it wont be a good idea to stop development of recent hero roms just for the sake of eclair which we dont know when gets release. rest is upto u. i cant force any1 to do anything. this is simply my personal experience with mobile phone manufacturers for last 7-8 years. cheers
Great post Lox_Dev and thank you for bring all the problems to our attention. It is heartbreaking to see such a great little phone be left to stew on the few HTC "released" roms out there. I dont confess to know that much about kernel building so I wont be much help there however I do believe we as a community can get there in the end! What I'm trying to say is dont give i
Lox_Dev
behnaam
adwinp
and of course Paul from MoDaCo who first started the ball rolling
we are all behind you guys!
I know its so different from cooking Windows rom (because I've tried myself) but I think in time anything can be done and please dont be put off by the lack of responses you get on this forum.
Now onto the positive .................... Once my internet connection at home gets sorted (VirginMedia to send me a replacement modem) I'll have another look at building a linux environment and jump aboard.
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it wont be a good idea to stop development of recent hero roms just for the sake of eclair which we dont know when gets release. rest is upto u.
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If you are *so* concerned, what precisely is stopping you from doing this yourself?
Note, saying you don't know how is not good enough, because it can be learned.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
If you are *so* concerned, what precisely is stopping you from doing this yourself?
Note, saying you don't know how is not good enough, because it can be learned.
Regards,
Dave
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hey bro.... exactly where did i say that i dont know how to do and stuffs?? at 1sy read then post ur comments......... and in this thread i said i am willing to donate for the work and i asked others to donate as well to contribute in the way we can.
and i have made and posted 1 theme for hero and i have made another theme and i will post it tomorow. so read before u speak.
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hey bro.... exactly where did i say that i dont know how to do and stuffs?? at 1sy read then post ur comments......... and in this thread i said i am willing to donate for the work and i asked others to donate as well to contribute in the way we can.
and i have made and posted 1 theme for hero and i have made another theme and i will post it tomorow. so read before u speak.
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(My emphasis!)
You should follow your own advice!
I asked a question:
If you are *so* concerned, what precisely is stopping you from doing this yourself?
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And then said:
Note, saying you don't know how is not good enough, because it can be learned.
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This is merely pointing out that if your *answer* to my question is "I don't know how to do it", you could always learn!
Nowhere do I say that you "dont know how to do and stuffs??".
And you still haven't answered the question!
Regards,
Dave
yes i am learning and i am excercising my knowledge in makling theme for the community. at least i am doing what i can. i am even willing to donate for the devs.
and what u r doing? shouting on ppl who can do sumthing and doing nothing urself as u cant even learn and want to use others works.
go learn sumthing, show us and then shout at others.
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yes i am learning and i am excercising my knowledge in makling theme for the community. at least i am doing what i can. i am even willing to donate for the devs.
and what u r doing? shouting on ppl who can do sumthing and doing nothing urself as u cant even learn and want to use others works.
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I thought that was what you were doing?
I've never "shouted" at any one, or tried to push any one into doing something that is likely to be a waste of time due to the arrival of an HTC built 2.0 and which I personally *know* is extremely difficult.
How do I know?
Because I've tried it!!!!
Here's what I have done:
1. Built an Ubuntu development environment *expressly* for these purposes.
2. Downloaded the Hero kernel sources and the stock 2.6.27 sources.
3. Diff'd the two trees to see what needs patching
4. Downloaded the 2.6.29 kernel sources
5. Attemped to apply the patch from (3) to 2.6.29
6. Built the kernel
7. Put in on my phone, with the CleanION ROM.
8. Watched in awe as it just hung as the boot splash screen until I pulled the battery out.
Note that even getting the AOSP kernel source from the git repos proved to a hellishly time consuming task because the repos kept timing out and/or refusing connection!
Despite my efforts, I've not turned up *any* tangible results, which is why I've not bothered to mention them here. I'm at the point now where I don't know if I want to commit any further time and effort on what is essentially a fools errand. I'm not saying that my efforts were anything particularly "special", but certainly I can say with absolutely honesty that I've tried!
When Lox_Dev says "To port the changes to 2.6.29 kernel sources, we need an expert kernel developer witch our hero dev community lacks", I know for a fact that this is true, so it is getting quite irritating to keep hearing people who "don't know" telling those of us who "do know" that we should all be getting together to make it work!
So, in absolutely no way am I "shouting on ppl who can do sumthing and doing nothing urself as u cant even learn and want to use others works", because I have already expended far more time and effort than most.
go learn sumthing, show us and then shout at others.
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Once again, I suggest that you take your own advice!
regards,
Dave
I'm all for working on porting AOSP Sapphire to the Hero, but some of us need a bit more guidance on getting their development/cooking environment set up. There's a shocking amount of information out there, and it makes breaking into the 'scene' a bit difficult.
Accelerometer should be the focus of our work (in my opinion) since without the keyboard, it's really hard to get some things done in the portrait mode. I'd love to focus on that, since the Google ION Rom with Donut makes me incredibly happy, with that exception.
okay, bros, just to contribute a little bit:
http://www.youtube.com/v/FLRqOuB798A
Seeing that, and imagining it's working 100% and running on our Hero's, really makes me hard.
We will get there. But yes, the path will be difficult. I also want to donate btw.
Anyway, HTC indeed doesn't give a F--- about our android OS. they will release 800*480 handsets in 1-3 months, and maybe won't even port the UI elements to our resolution/hero.
In a way, we are F---ed, we have a very old android handset, with not even half the capabilities of new ones like the droid or upcoming x10 or HTC handsets. And without the knowledge to port all of the new kernels (with parts missing, ie; the hero kernel supposedly had parts missing) they phone might even grow older every month. I a way I should be happy I payed 340 Euro instead of 480 or something..
So yeah, in a way I believe that the handset will be discontinued very shortly. The G1 has the community to back it up, people had it for more than a year and grew attached to it. The Hero does not have that luxury.
So while the hope lies in you, developers; aside from 'homebrew' i'm afraid the future is very bleak. HTC wants your money. They can target little girls tomorrow and kids who just want a 'cool' phone, and we will be left in the cold for children who get a new phone with the contract every year.
So power to the developers!
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Hello Everyone,
I have been a silent member of the community since the days of the Qtek phones (some of the oldies will know what im talking about). im an amateur web-designer but a Technology Consultant full time.
Now ive moved onto Android (I had a G1 2 Weeks after UK Launch) and ive been a big follower of all the various mods and roms that people have been releasing.
I have been a HERO owner for the last 8 months and it now seems like theres a mass of developers making roms on forums spread all over the web.
I know that a lot of people are loyal to the forums they've been on since god was a boy but currently its such a mess trying to see whats new and whats gone out of date.
SO!!!!
I have a load of webspace and bandwidth so i want to give back to the community and make everyone's life easier.
Im hoping to setup a dedicated forum for HERO Roms, with each rom having its own dedicated category. This will mean that bugs and issues can be posted as "individual topics" making it easier for everyone to find out a solution to their problem. Also it will mean that the developers can see instantly what bugs there and keep track of them.
This is aimed to be as much a help to the DEVs as it is to the users.
Also, if funds and bandwidth allow, this will let DEVs to upload their roms to the sites dedicated FTP space meaning it will be alot easier for people to download.
So ive put up a poll. The question is simple and you have 4 answers, 2 yes and 2 no, depending on if you're a dev or a user.
Ill let the poll run for a few days while i prepare a demo forum for testing.
If this all goes well then i will set up similar forums for all android based phones making the android developing world the best there could be.
If anyone has any experience which could be useful such as graphics, phpbb admin, or even hosting space pm me and we will see if we can collaborate to make this thing a success.
Signing Out
The Didge
Sounds good — right now, each ROM just has one big impossible to navigate megathread. A section for topics/questions on each individual ROM would be invaluable.
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Developers will have a dedicated "Lounge" to share/collaborate on fixing common issues. this will be hidden from normal users and will allow DEVs to work together a lot easier
There are non-dev's on here though that can have some very good ideas in fixing things..... you don't really want to alienate them
it is a no from me - XDA-DEVELOPERS is where we get our fix.....
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There are non-dev's on here though that can have some very good ideas in fixing things..... you don't really want to alienate them
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A very good point, ill work out a way this can also be implemented.
Anyone can become a developer by request but it will be closely monitored. By setting up a dedicated section it will allow devs to discuss things without being plagued by people saying they're having the same problem or haven't read the instructions properly etc.
TBH, I think that devs will still tend to migrate away from here, or really any forum where they are stuck in a 'box' as part of a bigger 'box'.
I've been setting up an off-site forum for a ROM, and there are certainly advantages to having admin/mod rights that you don't get on shared forums.
One example was that recently a dev I work with went away, and Apps2SD wasn't working on their ROM. I made a hotfix, as per our agreement before he went away, but I had to end up adding the link to my sig in red and hoping people read it... Anyway, if we'd wanted to get it into the first post, we'd have had to PM a mod and waited an age for someone to sort it out.
With admin and mod rights, a small group of us will be able to edit each others' posts and this sort of thing shouldn't happen.
On a very positive note, I've noticed that the level of support from people with servers has been brilliant. There are now 2 mirrors for this ROM's stuff, and we have plenty of space (tens of gigabytes) to host ROMs and files for people. This generosity is really appreciated, but I don't think (IMHO) devs will move from here to another 'shared' forum... The flexibility of having your own site with bugtracker software and MediaWiki is too alluring...
There are also plenty of interesting other things that can be done on a server where there's only one real ROM on it, which would not be possible, or fair on the host, if you had loads of ROMs on the site... (think about CPU and disk usage if you do any interesting scripting )
Hell, I've even got ssh access to one of the servers now, so I can use rsync to upload files via diffs, saving bandwidth. But that wouldn't really be feasible for lots of people, and loading could become an issue if a couple of DEVs released a rom at the same time (think impending 2.1 release and the number of d/ls you'll get an hour after that )
But, I'm gonna vote no, and those are my (personal opinion) reasons. But if you go ahead, I wish you good luck, and feel free to PM me if you need help working with phpBB or other stuff like that (I've done it for a while)...
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A very good point, ill work out a way this can also be implemented.
Anyone can become a developer by request but it will be closely monitored. By setting up a dedicated section it will allow devs to discuss things without being plagued by people saying they're having the same problem or haven't read the instructions properly etc.
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Well, a read-only forum would sort this, where non-devs can read, but not post. But then it's not a devs forum...
(sorry for double post, but it's on a different sort-of topic)
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TBH, I think that devs will still tend to migrate away from here, or really any forum where they are stuck in a 'box' as part of a bigger 'box'.
I've been setting up an off-site forum for a ROM, and there are certainly advantages to having admin/mod rights that you don't get on shared forums.
One example was that recently a dev I work with went away, and Apps2SD wasn't working on their ROM. I made a hotfix, as per our agreement before he went away, but I had to end up adding the link to my sig in red and hoping people read it... Anyway, if we'd wanted to get it into the first post, we'd have had to PM a mod and waited an age for someone to sort it out.
With admin and mod rights, a small group of us will be able to edit each others' posts and this sort of thing shouldn't happen.
On a very positive note, I've noticed that the level of support from people with servers has been brilliant. There are now 2 mirrors for this ROM's stuff, and we have plenty of space (tens of gigabytes) to host ROMs and files for people. This generosity is really appreciated, but I don't think (IMHO) devs will move from here to another 'shared' forum... The flexibility of having your own site with bugtracker software and MediaWiki is too alluring...
There are also plenty of interesting other things that can be done on a server where there's only one real ROM on it, which would not be possible, or fair on the host, if you had loads of ROMs on the site... (think about CPU and disk usage if you do any interesting scripting )
Hell, I've even got ssh access to one of the servers now, so I can use rsync to upload files via diffs, saving bandwidth. But that wouldn't really be feasible for lots of people, and loading could become an issue if a couple of DEVs released a rom at the same time (think impending 2.1 release and the number of d/ls you'll get an hour after that )
But, I'm gonna vote no, and those are my (personal opinion) reasons. But if you go ahead, I wish you good luck, and feel free to PM me if you need help working with phpBB or other stuff like that (I've done it for a while)...
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Yeah I agree with you there Pulser (on pretty much it all)
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Yeah I agree with you there Pulser (on pretty much it all)
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Lenny, am about to PM you with account details for what I've whipped up on the new villain mirror (forum etc.) Change default password obviously
@topic, TBH, I think load on this server could be immense. That's my main reason for no (since last post was very long, and I really think I should summarise).
I do like the idea - will it turn into ads city though?????
anon, your work on the villain rom is what inspired me to do this.
The villain thread is now almost 750 pages long and i can no longer follow it all as theres just too much to catch up on if ive been away for a couple of days.
A dedicated forum per rom is very possible but... it would mean that users would have to register at lots of different forums if they wanted to try things out.
ill pm you a link to the kind of thing im aiming for. At least having your input means we can make it even better.
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Lenny, am about to PM you with account details for what I've whipped up on the new villain mirror (forum etc.) Change default password obviously
@topic, TBH, I think load on this server could be immense. That's my main reason for no (since last post was very long, and I really think I should summarise).
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Thanks, will look out for it.
Redpizzi said:
I do like the idea - will it turn into ads city though?????
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No, it wont. Im sure the community will be supportive enough to make sure that dosnt happen.
Just a quick note to everyone. if the majority of developers say no then this wont be going ahead. without the developers there will be no use in the forum.
If anyone wants any points to be clarified or any suggestions please just post it here.
Even without dev support, i still think there would be much value in having a system in which users of a specific ROM can talk to each other. And talk in a structured, easy to navigate way. (i.e. not having everything in one megathread).
So if I wanted to ask a question about a certain ROM I'm using, other users of that ROM would be lurking in that section of the forum, and they could answer my question.
tl;dr it'd be good regardless of dev support
Discard all the "wannabe chef" threads, follow only the ones you have an interest in, and there you go. That would have saved you ~90% of the hassle.
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Discard all the "wannabe chef" threads, follow only the ones you have an interest in, and there you go. That would have saved you ~90% of the hassle.
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not exactly sure what youre referring to but if its about the list of roms then thats what i do, just follow the ones i want... BUT
the threads are very disorganised and the villain rom is now almost 750 pages long....
There is no way to easily look back and see what the bugs are other than looking back over the last 50-60 pages - search dosnt work properly because you could have the same issue mentioned hundreds of times in diffrent contexts.
And its not fair to make all the DEVs update their first post eveytime someone says something isnt working.
A wiki would be ideal for this...
Just my 2c
I stand by my earlier comment on this issue.
We need to stop fragmenting the Hero ROM community rather than fragment it more.
Incase nobody noticed, the Hero ROM community is ALOT smaller than the Dream/Magic community is.
In part because we have to deal with closed-source Sense.
But this doesn't mean that we should move to other forums just because you can't have admin powers here.
Maybe it's a better idea to ask the admins if they can possibly install a modification into vBulletin (the software this forum runs on) so that 1 thread can have multiple authors.
I'm sure there is one around.
Meaning that the person that creates a rom can assign people that can edit the first post.
This solves all the problems you have without fragmenting the community (further).
Or am I wrong?
If you want your own forum just so you can have "power" over the other users then I can garantuee you that the chances of it going well are slim.
We all have seen the videos with hd2 running windows mobile 7. If this is true then i just can say well done. But will it be available to public? Probably not because we have had the image to our disposal so far?
Who cares if it not running 100% or 80%. The android community showed us that the users try unfinished builds (as Desire HD) despite of the port state, so why not with wm7? Who cares if i brick my phone (its my own fault)?
Not that i don't hope one day i can try it on my hd2...
Is this open or closed community? why the developers are doing all this if they don't like to share at the early stage? what about donations for some developers here in forum? why they cannot use their influence to get us a build?
Or is it just about greedy Chinese?
gligi said:
We all have seen the videos with hd2 running windows mobile 7. If this is true then i just can say well done. But will it be available to public? Probably not because we have had the image to our disposal so far?
Who cares if it not running 100% or 80%. The android community showed us that the users try unfinished builds (as Desire HD) despite of the port state, so why not with wm7? Who cares if i brick my phone (its my own fault)?
Not that i don't hope one day i can try it on my hd2...
Is this open or closed community? why the developers are doing all this if they don't like to share at the early stage? what about donations for some developers here in forum? why they cannot use their influence to get us a build?
Or is it just about greedy Chinese?
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Please refer to this thread, which should answer all of your questions. Also, please try to be more culturally sensitive. How would you feel if someone wrote about your nationality asking if it is all about being greedy?
well ok i apologize if i offended the whole nation my thoughts were more oriented to few individuals.
the discussion in other thread is pretty much vague. sorry
what i don't understand that if you as developer work on some "open" project (despite of the fact that this can be one man project at the end) why so much mystery etc.? why do not include other people too?
gligi said:
well ok i apologize if i offended the whole nation my thoughts were more oriented to few individuals.
the discussion in other thread is pretty much vague. sorry
what i don't understand that if you as developer work on some "open" project (despite of the fact that this can be one man project at the end) why so much mystery etc.? why do not include other people too?
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To summarize the thread, there is at present no ROM from China that can be flashed. Some of the files being offered for download are just old emulator files. So far, we do not know how the phone in the video was configured, and attempts to get more information from those who recorded the video failed. There is speculation that it is one of the HD2s that was used as a testbed for the early development of WP7
Some of the guys on xda.cn have promised to keep us updated on any news about the development of a flashable ROM.
It is strange to me that when Cotulla posts a video of an HD2 booting up WP7 no one makes accusations that he is not sharing, but jump at the chance to do that when they see a video from China.
The best thing to do is just wait patiently for everyone who is working hard on porting WP7 to the HD2.
Starting threads speculating why China is not sharing information, or logging onto XDA.cn and blindly copy files without understanding they are not flashable files, only causes confusion, and even some resentment when xda.cn guys see some of the nonsense being posted on XDA-Developers.
As I suggested in the other thread, just cooling down, and waiting is all we can do. That holds true whether we are waiting for what Cotulla comes up with, or what our Chinese friends on xda.cn can come up with.
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It is strange to me that when Cotulla posts a video of an HD2 booting up WP7 no one makes accusations that he is not sharing.
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well i did it now when i wrote about "developers" and in other thread but the people talk about him as God so there is not much discussion possible (same as discussion with a priest about religion). some of those people do great work but on the other side they are just geeks. that much mystery on every single development is really childish.
we live today on open minded and connected world so i don't understand some stuff going in the minds of those individuals.
but tnx for the info. was very helpful. either way: i am already collecting money for a new htc device because i don't have any other choice (except to forget the wm7)
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Please refer to this thread, which should answer all of your questions. Also, please try to be more culturally sensitive. How would you feel if someone wrote about your nationality asking if it is all about being greedy?
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Right, better stay there!
Hai Developers and my buddy Friendss !!
I am really dissappointed with Bada 2.0 (Delayed) and I wish to know whether anyone is working on a Port ...... ! I have seen the overclocking of WAVEDROID to 1.6 GHz (Great work mate Great WORK) and was thinking whether developers can port GingerBread on WAve !!! I use GS II and wwould like to seen that in my Wave too !!!
I am really amazed with the porting of Froyo to Wave !! I never thought that might be Possible !! (Hats Off the guys behind it !)
It android 2.3 POssible ???
never
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never
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why ?
is there a technical issue that make it impossible ?
Hej youre against the rulez man, Android forum is on the other site, you just have to read the Forum specific headlines, before you post.
Shame on you.
And there is a sticked post FAT on the Forums Head and you done it against, posting without thinking we dont see here lovely.
Its already been done, link below:
www. whynotusethesearchbuttonbeforepostingquestionsthatarerepeatedlyaskedyetrarelyanyoneoffersanysignificantcontribution.com
Enjoy your Gingerbread, let us all know how you get on.
i'll port it for you just give your wave to me for testing purposes!....
hell,....i will even do honeycomb or icecream sandwich for you......just need that useless phone of yours.....(i wont ask for any donations...)
but if you pay me just a little bit i can even port IOS9..(yes the one which is still to be released!....)
i know people like go to the store to but a anderoid phone....but those F**king storekeepers must have just put a gun on your head and foreced you to buy a wave with BADA....
i only port for people who are in your condition (people who buy phones without researching about them i.e. what they offer what they don't and after a year or so wake up and decide that the want anderoid on the wave and then join a forum and post (AGAIN WITHOUT SEARCHING.....lol)in placese asking for anderoid on wave and only offering thanks and a bunch of silly questions regarding how they bricked there wave while flashing anderoid from a tut!)..
ignorance is a bliss....(you are a real life example!)
well my offer is still open!.......im nearly 99.9% done with everythingjust need your wave for testing purposes!....
regards.....LOL
Hellseekar.....
HertzVanRentals said:
Its already been done, link below:
www. whynotusethesearchbuttonbeforepostingquestionsthatarerepeatedlyaskedyetrarelyanyoneoffersanysignificantcontribution.com
Enjoy your Gingerbread, let us all know how you get on.
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that is brilliant
HertzVanRentals said:
Its already been done, link below:
www. whynotusethesearchbuttonbeforepostingquestionsthatarerepeatedlyaskedyetrarelyanyoneoffersanysignificantcontribution.com
Enjoy your Gingerbread, let us all know how you get on.
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looooooool ) ha ha
HertzVanRentals said:
Its already been done, link below:
www. whynotusethesearchbuttonbeforepostingquestionsthatarerepeatedlyaskedyetrarelyanyoneoffersanysignificantcontribution.com
Enjoy your Gingerbread, let us all know how you get on.
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WOW an awsome web site to bad i am a real bada user and i am proud to be one
so i will not go and chenge to android
and just do you know all you madaf*&^&s STOP and think maybe bada is better and every way then any OS
but............................................
to bad the stopid samsung don't publish the bada os stronger then her stoipd galaxy s 2 bla bla bla etc....
and make the sdk esayier and more intractive (not to way you think perbers) for getting more develepers to make better and more apps to the system
and useless apps like a map for a small town at japan
why the hell i will ever need that crapy apps
we want stronger and more complicate games that use the all benefet of bada os
and why are the waves so low on system like take the wave 3 when all most the new smartphones at the market have better screen and better prosesers and more ram . RAM IT'S ALL WE THE HELL NEED RAM IT'S THE ANSWER!!!
ps. i know that i am making a headache
larioteo said:
Hej youre against the rulez man, Android forum is on the other site, you just have to read the Forum specific headlines, before you post.
Shame on you.
And there is a sticked post FAT on the Forums Head and you done it against, posting without thinking we dont see here lovely.
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Sorry mate !!! How to move this thread or should i remove this and post it again ??
HertzVanRentals said:
Its already been done, link below:
www. whynotusethesearchbuttonbeforepostingquestionsthatarerepeatedlyaskedyetrarelyanyoneoffersanysignificantcontribution.com
Enjoy your Gingerbread, let us all know how you get on.
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LoL !! looks fnny but it used the Search and didnt find any thread named like this !!
hellseekar said:
i'll port it for you just give your wave to me for testing purposes!....
hell,....i will even do honeycomb or icecream sandwich for you......just need that useless phone of yours.....(i wont ask for any donations...)
but if you pay me just a little bit i can even port IOS9..(yes the one which is still to be released!....)
i know people like go to the store to but a anderoid phone....but those F**king storekeepers must have just put a gun on your head and foreced you to buy a wave with BADA....
i only port for people who are in your condition (people who buy phones without researching about them i.e. what they offer what they don't and after a year or so wake up and decide that the want anderoid on the wave and then join a forum and post (AGAIN WITHOUT SEARCHING.....lol)in placese asking for anderoid on wave and only offering thanks and a bunch of silly questions regarding how they bricked there wave while flashing anderoid from a tut!)..
ignorance is a bliss....(you are a real life example!)
well my offer is still open!.......im nearly 99.9% done with everythingjust need your wave for testing purposes!....
regards.....LOL
Hellseekar.....
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Well ! I bought the wave because of its specs ! LoL !! I bought it on the second day of its release in Germany ....(actually i should have bought the G S I but due to my urgency I choose Wave) !
Your reply was nice but I Used the Search to find any post about this Topic (While posting a thread it automatically searchs for the thread that resembles this post but it didnt show any thing so I thought no one has posted this !)
Thanks for the reply mate !!
oleg is working to port a fully working android 2.3 on wave. he said the work would be done on autumn but still no news from him. he is our last hope. all we have to do is wait wait and wait. have a nice day
we have to wait wait and wait... bada2.0 is coming...
There's an ocean between bada and android. Wave will burn its processor trying to port android OS..
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we have to wait wait and wait... bada2.0 is coming...
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it doesnt satisfy me.
shadowkavi said:
Well ! I bought the wave because of its specs ! LoL !! I bought it on the second day of its release in Germany ....(actually i should have bought the G S I but due to my urgency I choose Wave) !
Your reply was nice but I Used the Search to find any post about this Topic (While posting a thread it automatically searchs for the thread that resembles this post but it didnt show any thing so I thought no one has posted this !)
Thanks for the reply mate !!
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mmmm......well it didn't show cos you are posting in a wrong place.....where we take bada seriously (well...about 99.1%)
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mmmm......well it didn't show cos you are posting in a wrong place.....where we take bada seriously (well...about 99.1%)
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Yeah ! thats my Fault Posting here !!!! SCREW ME !! LOL !!!!!!!! Thanks for the Info !!! I have bought a TouchPad and i will be donating for porting android into it ... and i also want to donate for the android gingi to the wave (I will contribute !)
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oleg is working to port a fully working android 2.3 on wave. he said the work would be done on autumn but still no news from him. he is our last hope. all we have to do is wait wait and wait. have a nice day
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Thanks for the Info mate !!! We need to put some money to Mr.Oleg and Boost him up !! (I will donate soon)
Oleg said that he doesn't want money, he simply likes messing with his wife's phone. Also we really don't have any news from him, so who knows if he's still working on the port. Just sucks that this is a one man show. Bada sucks balls, but the phone is awesome and cheap.
I am getting annoyed of many ROM threads here, because they are
stating "speed improvements, minor fixes, stable" - if you cant name it exactly, i call bull****.
ROMs being based on the same RUU as other ROMs but not stating what is different. please stop wasting my time. i dont want to go sherlock holmes on your ROM. when you just spend 2h, to make a ROM that is basically the same like most other (just differeing in the point above) - thats fine, you can play around and share it here - but PLEASE tell us.
incomplete list of what is working or not. listing only BT as not working and then reading on the third page "animations and browser download dont work" and then a reply "they dont work on any sense 4.0 ROM". Or stuff like "bugs: you tell me". could you please take 10minutes to test against a checklist?!
so whats my point:
I am no ROM developer, but a software developer. And I see all the wonderfull work done here. But i hate the lazy "you all probably know what im talking about" attitude around here. I feel a bit scammed by either the very shiny threads with custom logos and artwork, listing as many points as they can - whats the purpose - you dont sell anything here. Or on the other hand the very short threads that omit the most important points, making the ROMs incompareable - are you hiding something?
so i propose:
an enforced thread layout, that is composed by the community.
some points i would like to see in it:
name
version
based on (RUU revision number, link)
android revision(, sense revision)
type (a coarse classification: stock, themed, bloatfree, desensed, ported, testrelease, AOSP. multiple selection possible)
changes to base (the 5 main topics of this ROM. at least kernel, bootscreen, keyboard, launcher, theme)
dependencies: firmware etc.
screenshot (i know mostly there is no difference, but i personally am a visual type and need them )
a bug checklist (also community build, most usual bugs, states: ok, minor, broken, untested)
a tweaks checklist (e.g. rooted, deodexed, zipaligned, crt, recent apps, APM, battery, /etc/hosts, beats etc.)
APK versions (also a community build checklist, maybe a script for that)
changelog (for each old version a download, for each change a source link, not just "thanks xyuser" - having the ROM in github etc. would be awesome)
I bet there are some more points - i think the non-developers should unite and demand a bit of quality. Develop and enforce a standard. Use this thread to gather ideas.
And inb4 "be gratefull and take what you get" - no, I think chefs have a responsibility to be transparent, they get lots of testers and glory in return. XDA is a central reference for everyone who roots his device. Mods have taken some good steps to clean up the mess. Now its time for the next.
I think the more detailed the information gets, the faster the development will become and users can build trust in what they flash.
Mods, would something like this be possible?
Yes, it will make everything easier for the users too compare one with another.
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium
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Yes, it will make everything easier for the users too compare one with another.
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thats what I think. any other oppinions?
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thats what I think. any other oppinions?
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I also agree, There are way to many roms out there, I couldnt possibly flash them all and test them, My phone would be outdated by the time i managed that.
The majority are exactly the same, except with the occasional different theme /tweak /app but other than that i think they are similar...
I also get the feeling that the ROMs are a pretty much copy & paste job (with the exception of the devs that build from scratch)
I would like to see some sort of organization in the development thread.. I have nothing against these ROM Makers, But if the first post pointed out what exactly makes THIS ROM different than any others. i think it would be less confusing to people..
I am so for this. I am tired myself of all the crap too. I would like to know what I'm getting and how stable it truly is. I mean saying it's stable but then u find our in post number 400, that one the newest release there are some bugs which don't make it go for every day use. And if it's kanged, tell us, some do tell us but then same get someone else and make it theirs with some changes but nobody finds out till later. I'm also tired of ppl causing problems for others, whenever they follow rules more than others, and tell them this is such & suches place u better leave. I that's y some really good ppl leave here and sometimes the mods allow it cause they're friends. It's total bs, but this is just how I feel!
+ 1 ^^^
I get belittled sometimes in them threads, Im just trying to ask a simple question and the replies are 'dude.. this was asked ten times already.. look at post 862816745 and you will see....' The damn threads change so fast i cant keep up.. Im not a noob... maybe a novice to the sensation but i know what im doing in general.
People expect everyone to know how to do things - because they have done it themselves so many times... Id rather help someone with the simplest question than shout at them for not asking for help and bricking their phone...
C'mon guys, play nice
Rant over lol
EDIT: Good Idea
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Maybe there should be a forum for 'Original Development' for projects that aren't a variation of another project. I've seen this for other devices' forums.
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I am so for this. I am tired myself of all the crap too. I would like to know what I'm getting and how stable it truly is. I mean saying it's stable but then u find our in post number 400, that one the newest release there are some bugs which don't make it go for every day use. And if it's kanged, tell us, some do tell us but then same get someone else and make it theirs with some changes but nobody finds out till later. I'm also tired of ppl causing problems for others, whenever they follow rules more than others, and tell them this is such & suches place u better leave. I that's y some really good ppl leave here and sometimes the mods allow it cause they're friends. It's total bs, but this is just how I feel!
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Looks like I was never enjoyed my phone even just for 1 day. Today I've installed a ROM, adding many apps from Market which took many hours to setup & configure.
While I've become comfortable with the ROM, something freaked Me ouy: "Oh, there is even better and way more stable ROM available than this current ROM." Downloading, it takes about 1 to 2 hours. Then booted the ROM, but I caught myself disappointed with the news, "This new one has just another clone of the first ROM I've ever tried." Oh no, it has different theme and feels! "All of them are on the same base, same kernel, same etc, etc, etc."
Then, my final decision should be restoring the first ROM through Recovery, but again it takes minutes to complete.
And yet, I fooled with Battery Calibration placebo/myth which actually doesn't exist. Do I need to recalibrate my battery on s ROM changes? No, Google Official has just stated it's just a myth and placebo.
This is what I feel, sorry I mean no offense to any Devs.
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium
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+ 1 ^^^
I get belittled sometimes in them threads, Im just trying to ask a simple question and the replies are 'dude.. this was asked ten times already.. look at post 862816745 and you will see....' The damn threads change so fast i cant keep up.. Im not a noob... maybe a novice to the sensation but i know what im doing in general.
People expect everyone to know how to do things - because they have done it themselves so many times... Id rather help someone with the simplest question than shout at them for not asking for help and bricking their phone...
C'mon guys, play nice
Rant over lol
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Dude I am so with u. Some threads r just so damn long that to every little post would take to long and I would probably never be able to flash a rom. As far as noobs go, we were all noobs at one point. I get most to get me on gtalk so I can help them without some as telling them off. Yeah sometimes it takes me some time but hell I've been able to save quite a few phones.
Its a much better feeling knowing you have helped someone and saved a phone from the horrible stock ROM or possible brick..
Ive done my fair share of helping noobs to help other noobs... Ive also saved a few phones from the trash too
XDA is a community - not a place to rant at people for being a noob - Although there are some hopeless people out there who do not follow the rules, But the majority of us just need some guidance..
The worlds best android developer wasnt born the best... he / she was obviously a noob who learnt from someone else...
The way i see it is that noobs are the future of development so dont hate us
I so agree and am getting ready to learn the cooking game from a friend and great deveolper. He's also getting ready to aquire a sensation and is going to port some of his awesome work from the 3d to the sensation, but make it with ics. Don't know if it'll every see xda because of the drama but it'll be on our teams site. It might make since he does have stuff in evo on xda but I don't know yet.
I'll probably get flamed for this, but that's xda.
The devs don't do this for our convenience. As users who don't pay them a salary, I don't think we're in a position to tell them how they should share what they do. They use their spare time to make something and then choose to share with the masses, which they really didn't have to do. How they choose to present their work should really be up to them IMO.
Besides, if you stick around long enough and read the threads now and then, you'll be able to tell which devs are doing real work versus someone who just forks another person's ROM and throws in some personal tweaks.
Yes most of the ROMs are similar in looks or function, but that's too be expected since everything comes from whatever HTC releases. Each one has its own flavor since each dev has different priorities. Want something totally different? Try one of the WIP AOSP/CM9 builds or maybe MiUI v4.
rawrfische said:
I'll probably get flamed for this, but that's xda.
The devs don't do this for our convenience. As users who don't pay them a salary, I don't think we're in a position to tell them how they should share what they do. They use their spare time to make something and then choose to share with the masses, which they really didn't have to do. How they choose to present their work should really be up to them IMO.
Besides, if you stick around long enough and read the threads now and then, you'll be able to tell which devs are doing real work versus someone who just forks another person's ROM and throws in some personal tweaks.
Yes most of the ROMs are similar in looks or function, but that's too be expected since everything comes from whatever HTC releases. Each one has its own flavor since each dev has different priorities. Want something totally different? Try one of the WIP AOSP/CM9 builds or maybe MiUI v4.
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I think the real question is, WHY are the devs doing it at all? There are motives. I think this thread is basically asking them to spare us. If they decide to pack their ball up and go somewhere else, no big deal. The REAL devs will always stick around.
This thread isn't directed at our "patron devs" but all the no names that pop up with these ridiculous, and misleading, clones while asking for donations.
All in all, no one is forcing us to flash their ROM. It would be nice to have several layers to the dev forum. We need a place to easily see what the pro devs are up to without all the mess in the way. Or, how some genuine developing is coming along...
Matt
I can see it from both sides, All the devs good or bad are still great in their own way.
But some tidying up in the development section wouldnt do any harm... Its like a jumble sale in there, Rummaging around to see whats what. Its ridiculous
Thread cleaned.
Now, you watch your attitude and language or simply face the consequences...
yaddamean, I understand what you mean but I would say the opposite: devs that dont care to be transparent, can host their ROMs on their servers elsewhere. I know this is a quite fundamental difference in views. But i dont get what should be the advantage of being the silent majority.
Good things never come easily.
I bet we would not loose one good dev.
Moved to the about Xda-developers forum as such discussions are not device specific but rather site specific
I agree with u and because of yaddamean and others like him who like to just jump in and flamming ppl. As soon as someone stands up to those kinda ppl, the real supporters of this Site and it's Real dev, get in trouble. That's y ppl leave here too!
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this will get us less viewers but more mods hopfully
is there any chance of changing the current practice?
That's y it was moved less attention.