Hey all!
- So.. we want sense 2.0 right?
- We want Gingerbread right?
- MS Exchange support in Mail client (add account fails..)?
- Maybe a fix for the SMS not sending the sms to the recipient (rare.. but known, see the thread for Desire's bugs)
... I propose we create a common message to HTC asking for updates.
My main reason for this is the same lame answer everyone gets after emailing them for a certain update/fix.
We always get the "we don't know when" or "HTC makes sure you have the latest blah blah blah.."
Let's make a stand and say to HTC we don't want them to be like other companies that don't update "older" models!
Desire's hardware can - surely - withstand Gingerbread + Sense, Sense 2.0 and more..
The specs aren't near old enough not to have the latests features Android has to offer!
So.. with that in mind maybe you could unite our efforts and take a common action..
I'm suggesting the ones in the poll.. have another idea?
Update:
!PANDA as suggested sending the link to this thread to HTC.. so plz leave a reply
Once loads of people have voted, we all e-mail htc with the link to this poll, so they'll actually see this as most of the time they just send us templates.
The same has been done with the 1.24.161.3 vodafone update (just update, no poll used)
That is all. Good Bye.
Sent from my HTC Desire using the XDApp. Pure Madness.
Of course it doesn't hurt to ask them for further support I think it is still to soon to say they won't support us. I think we will get an upgrade to gingerbread, maybe even with sense 2.0 (which I think is the biggest obstacle because the rom is so large otherwise it should run fine( and it does on my phone))
It took them 3 months to port froyo...
tiotempestade said:
Hey all!
- So.. we want sense 2.0 right?
- We want Gingerbread right?
- MS Exchange support in Mail client (add account fails..)?
- Maybe a fix for the SMS not sending the sms to the recipient (rare.. but known, see the thread for Desire's bugs)
... I propose we create a common message to HTC asking for updates.
My main reason for this is the same lame answer everyone gets after emailing them for a certain update/fix.
We always get the "we don't know when" or "HTC makes sure you have the latest blah blah blah.."
Let's make a stand and say to HTC we don't want them to be like other companies that don't update "older" models!
Desire's hardware can - surely - withstand Gingerbread + Sense, Sense 2.0 and more..
The specs aren't near old enough not to have the latests features Android has to offer!
So.. with that in mind maybe you could unite our efforts and take a common action..
I'm suggesting the ones in the poll.. have another idea?
Update:
!PANDA as suggested sending the link to this thread to HTC.. so plz leave a reply
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We already have the first 2 on your list - look through the first 2 pages of the 'Desire Android Development' thread....
My experience is that HTC do whatever HTC want to do. They would much rather have you spend some more $$ on a new device than pour effort into updating/supporting your old one. Now I'm not saying that's how it should be, just saying that's how it is.
That's why this place is so valuable - people spend the time and effort to provide stuff HTC (and others) never intended you to have.
Gotta love XDA Devs
Good luck with your idea tho.
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Of course it doesn't hurt to ask them for further support I think it is still to soon to say they won't support us. I think we will get an upgrade to gingerbread, maybe even with sense 2.0 (which I think is the biggest obstacle because the rom is so large otherwise it should run fine( and it does on my phone))
It took them 3 months to port froyo...
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Er..
It is too soon to have gingerbread.. of course it is!
But what about the messaging thing? Has it ever happened to you? It's kinda bothering to send something you wrote to your girlfriend and have it delivered to your boss.. Who knows he might like it or he might sue you for sexual harassment..
JK, but seriously, there's little things that should be fixed.
For example showing the sms you sent as a reply before the sms that originated the reply..
The ms exchange mail thing..
I believe they will take a while to give us 2.3 and we have to understand that Sense is a very good GUI (the best I've experienced so far..) because it is well programmed and tested. So HTC is just "protecting" their image by taking three months to port the new version of Android.
But look for example the case of Sony Ericson saying 2.1 is too good already and future updates shouldn't be expected.. Sure their costumers replied back.. and now they're getting 2.2 on some models.. (We'll see..)
My point here is that by requesting fixes and updates we are showing that we are satisfied costumers and want it to continue that way. So in a month or two, if there's no 2.3 for Desire maybe we can have this thread to show dis contempt..
(And by the way.. Sense 2.0 isn't that big of an obstacle.. it's already working entirely in Desire's NAND.. just have a look at some DHD ROMs ports to Desire in the Development section.. Saying that Sense 2.0 won't fit in Desire's NAND is saying that XDA has better chefs than HTC... lol )
cr1960 said:
We already have the first 2 on your list - look through the first 2 pages of the 'Desire Android Development' thread....
My experience is that HTC do whatever HTC want to do. They would much rather have you spend some more $$ on a new device than pour effort into updating/supporting your old one. Now I'm not saying that's how it should be, just saying that's how it is.
That's why this place is so valuable - people spend the time and effort to provide stuff HTC (and others) never intended you to have.
Gotta love XDA Devs
Good luck with your idea tho.
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Sorry.. forgot to put the 5th option on the poll
"Nahh.. it's good the way it is.."
(not saying it isn't.. )
I meant official updates dummy!!...
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Sorry.. forgot to put the 5th option on the poll
"Nahh.. it's good the way it is.."
(not saying it isn't.. )
I meant official updates dummy!!...
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I'm a results focussed kind of guy - official/unofficial who cares just as long as it works
Don't get me wrong, I'm also that focused. But if you end up with a bricked phone it kinda.. no longer works..
I was thinking that the DHD ports has sense running too.... so we just need HTC to allow us to connect to htcsense.com with a DHD port too!
I want the mail app fixed so it works with hotmail eas... surely its a small bug fix...
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
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I was thinking that the DHD ports has sense running too.... so we just need HTC to allow us to connect to htcsense.com with a DHD port too!
I want the mail app fixed so it works with hotmail eas... surely its a small bug fix...
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
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DHD ports (with Sense 2.0) work in sense.com
It's just not officially available.. But you can try it..
I recommend Alex-V's DHD ROM..
This poll equates to the following:
"Hi BMW,
I bought a 3 series last year with a 2-litre engine and I now see you have a 2.5-litre engine. When can I book in my new engine?"
Bit extreme, I know, but HTC don't have to update the Desire to anything. They're a business and they release new phones with new software. We might get it, we might not
That can be true in car business. But smart phone making is different. And when you buy car you are not only buying finished product but in most cases also 1, 2, 3, 5 year guarantee that include replace car, tow service, help on road if yours car stops obedience. Bmw also has free maintenance for first 100.000km or 5 years. Every business has its rules. And we as buyers of smartphones we set them. So, i ll buy my next phone from company that will offer me at least 2 years of updates. Thats the reason i don’t buy samsung anymore. Hope i don’t need to search for new manufacture. I like htc. But updates are important to me.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
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That can be true in car business. But smart phone making is different. And when you buy car you are not only buying finished product but in most cases also 1, 2, 3, 5 year guarantee that include replace car, tow service, help on road if yours car stops obedience. Bmw also has free maintenance for first 100.000km or 5 years. Every business has its rules. And we as buyers of smartphones we set them. So, i ll buy my next phone from company that will offer me at least 2 years of updates. Thats the reason i don’t buy samsung anymore. Hope i don’t need to search for new manufacture. I like htc. But updates are important to me.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
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Not just to you. HTC should provide the official updated, and although you can say that we already 'have' them, you shouldn't really have to root the phone to have them. A phone like our Desire ain't cheap, we should at least get HTC's service as well as the product. So far, we've had the product, and in most cases very good product, but the updates arn't here, which sometimes makes Nokia look better: me and other members sent them an e-mail regarding an update with kinetik scrolling etc, it happened withing a couple of weeks! Come on HTC, Nokia knows how to listen to its customers, so if you want us to stay loyal, you have to be loyal to us.
That is all. Good Bye.
tiotempestade said:
DHD ports (with Sense 2.0) work in sense.com
It's just not officially available.. But you can try it..
I recommend Alex-V's DHD ROM..
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don't you need a DHD serial number?
I don't have one
I'm fine with buying a new phone when the updates will no longer go on them.
I flashed my HTC Touch HD with WinMo6.5.3 to make sure it was updated when I found HTC wouldn't push out anymore updates... I'm just waiting for that point when HTC won't push any updates out, or they won't fit on anymore then I'll probably be rooting and flashing...
I purchased my Desire in about July 2010 for around £390 - that's the most I've paid for a phone and I don't intend giving it up just yet...
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I'm fine with buying a new phone when the updates will no longer go on them.
I flashed my HTC Touch HD with WinMo6.5.3 to make sure it was updated when I found HTC wouldn't push out anymore updates... I'm just waiting for that point when HTC won't push any updates out, or they won't fit on anymore then I'll probably be rooting and flashing...
I purchased my Desire in about July 2010 for around £390 - that's the most I've paid for a phone and I don't intend giving it up just yet...
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However, some people can not afford to buy new phones, just make the most if what they've got, but HTC will not even do that! Okay, Froyo wasn't that bad for the unbranded devices, but why shoul our providers get the updates to brand them?! People who don;t know what branding is etc, will think that HTC is just not as good as other phones, Nokia for example- no barnding, and although there may be some on the case of the phone, no Software Branding. Therefore, updates are pushed a lot quicker!
Back to the point, people like me want to make sure that they get as much as they can for what we pay, and for that reason, I don't think that HTC is as helpful as they can be.
That is al. Good Bye.
Desire / Nexus S
If HTC makes an update ill buy desire if not ill buy Nexus S, maybe........maybe not......ohh i LOVE the htc sense and i want a phone with the sense so i wont buy Nexus S.......Maybe desire z? but it has the keyboard problems and i dont need a keyboard.....ill buy desire (the normal one) and ill flash a cooked rom with 2.3 and the new sense, if possible...
tiotempestade said:
(And by the way.. Sense 2.0 isn't that big of an obstacle.. it's already working entirely in Desire's NAND.. just have a look at some DHD ROMs ports to Desire in the Development section.. Saying that Sense 2.0 won't fit in Desire's NAND is saying that XDA has better chefs than HTC... lol )
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Creating an sd-ext partition is not something average users can be expected to do before upgrading to sense 2.0
godutch said:
Creating an sd-ext partition is not something average users can be expected to do before upgrading to sense 2.0
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Don't underestimate the power of the Dark side, Luke!
It's only a script.. if we lived in an utopia HTC would just release the next OTA with it..
data2sd, app2sd+ script can create the partition and even align it.. http://www.patriotmemory.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3696
Maybe even with reiserFS partitions for faster access, but I think the dev's are getting to the conclusion that not all SDs work well with reiserFS.. so EXT3
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Hi,
First time posting on the forum but I have been following it for many months now and find it very helpful so thank you.
I am about to make the move from Touch Diamond 2 to either the HTC Desire or the Nexus One but I would like some help from the people on the forum in making the decision
Reasons to buy HTC Desire:
1) cheaper (with contract in France)
2) Sense UI - not mandatory but I am used to it from the Diamond2
3) Prefer buttons and optical trackball (I think but have not touched either device yet)
4) Sense UI allows me to Synch Exchange Calendar which would be important (but I know the N1 can use the Touchdown App)
Reasons to buy Nexus One:
1) Will get Android updates faster
So my big question is should I really be so worried at the speed that HTC will release the new Android updates (I have read that 2.2 might be available as of May 17th - but it is not yet clear what will be included)?
My biggest fear is that I will buy the HTC Desire and it will be stuck on 2.1 for the next year and the Nexus One will keep getting more and more features added. I have been reading about how the HTC Hero users are still waiting to get either 2.0 or 2.1 for months and would not like to be in the same boat if I can avoid it.
I have also been reading how the Desire can now be routed so should I put my faith in the XDA developers to keep the Desire updated even if HTC doesn't do it on their own? I have not tried routing and using the Custom Roms yet (on my Diamond2) but am willing to give it a try if needed on the Desire.
Thanks for anyone who can give me some advise on this purchase.
Shaun
schalmers said:
Hi,
First time posting on the forum but I have been following it for many months now and find it very helpful so thank you.
I am about to make the move from Touch Diamond 2 to either the HTC Desire or the Nexus One but I would like some help from the people on the forum in making the decision
Reasons to buy HTC Desire:
1) cheaper (with contract in France)
2) Sense UI - not mandatory but I am used to it from the Diamond2
3) Prefer buttons and optical trackball (I think but have not touched either device yet)
4) Sense UI allows me to Synch Exchange Calendar which would be important (but I know the N1 can use the Touchdown App)
Reasons to buy Nexus One:
1) Will get Android updates faster
So my big question is should I really be so worried at the speed that HTC will release the new Android updates (I have read that 2.2 might be available as of May 17th - but it is not yet clear what will be included)?
My biggest fear is that I will buy the HTC Desire and it will be stuck on 2.1 for the next year and the Nexus One will keep getting more and more features added. I have been reading about how the HTC Hero users are still waiting to get either 2.0 or 2.1 for months and would not like to be in the same boat if I can avoid it.
I have also been reading how the Desire can now be routed so should I put my faith in the XDA developers to keep the Desire updated even if HTC doesn't do it on their own? I have not tried routing and using the Custom Roms yet (on my Diamond2) but am willing to give it a try if needed on the Desire.
Thanks for anyone who can give me some advise on this purchase.
Shaun
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Get a Desire.......Now that it's rooted you're gonna get updates due to the fantastic work on XDA and modaco. Period. Its a no Brainer man!
Regards
Mo
Thank you, That is how I was feeling but I wanted to be reassured
I guess I will just have to learn how to Root update the Desire with out bricking it. Luckily I have also been learning Linux the past few years as it looks like that is also necessary for the rooting.
Thanks for the feedback
hey guys seems like HTC is keeping the spirit up and giving the Desire a gingerbread OTA update by the end of june
not that our devs haven't already got gingerbread on it but like this we will have HTC sense the right way it's supposed to
check one of engadget's latest posts ull see
Ding ding ding.
Number 6, enjoy your short moment of fame.
Remember you have to share it with a increasing group of people who post stuff that has been posed before.
Search for a post next time instead of creating a post that has already been created about 10 times already. Seriously, no wonder why coutts left this forum. Full of idiots.
Yeah, but you could have said this in a much friendly way...
That was nice. No but seriously, I was in a **** mood and seriously, people should read more. Personally, I go through the forums and search to find stuff and I read an awful lot of posts (quite sad to be honest). It just gets on my nerves sometimes.
Been on Oxygen for a few weeks and frankly exchanging Sense for 300MB of onboard (not SD) app space is worth the loss of Sense. Using dialer1 and handcent and a bundle of other neat apps is great. Also have double the battery life that I had either 2.2 Stock Sense
oursoul, why do you insist on posting that very same line/paragraph/sales pitch on every single new thread that is popping up regarding the *ahem* "latest" news of Gingerbread OTA.
Bumping up your post count?
Did you find a replacement to take the "Notes" info from gmail contacts and link them all together which sense does? Thats the only reason in holding on TBH
It`s been official now, I`am reading on some site.
I prefer the Sense Dialer so dont like any of the current stock ROMs, so will wait patiently for the OTA.
Any better similar ones, that has contacts pics and facebook integration?
did anyone hear the leaked android 2.3.2 Galaxy S release?
I'll be disappointed if the Galaxy S gets a gingerbread update before the Desire... HTC will be slipping if that happens!
You know the drill mate.. the update will roll out.. it will be filled with bugs.. rants all over the place about how Sammy manages to make ****ty firmwares and then out of nowhere HTC will pop the update for us making the Desire again the first non developer device that gets the newest Android itteration
Or something along those lines.. I hope..
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
what will be funny is that by time June/July has come and we our 2.3 update, there is no doubt 2.5 (2.6) will have been announced and we'll all want that version instead.
Hopefully we'll atleast get the updated Sense with the update.
if Samsung roll out 2.3.2 then I hope HTC roll out 2.3.3 at least
also I would like them to fix the htc mail client too so it works with hotmail eas...
It's going to be annoying in 2.3 that you can't link Google contacts with Facebook ones, that was one of the things I missed when using Gingerbread ROMS. Looking forward to going back to an official ROM though whenever it's released.
I've been using the DevNull Rom, which is supposed to be a stock Android Rom, since yesterday.
HTC Sense is definitely more user friendly and intuitive....... has a lot more features too.
However, I find it to be quite unstable and kills the battery pretty quickly, and let's not forget the stupid apps like stock and peep.
Coming from HTC Sense, stock Android takes a while to get used to but I'm glad I made the switch 'cause my phone is a lot more stable now and the battery life has improved considerably.
oursoul said:
Nah I was just having a giggle, making a point.
No harm done eh.
I dont need to bump my post count, that's just ridiculous.
Sorry to offend
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a)partition tables are not related to this thread
b)what you are pointing out is just plain ridiculous. There is definitely no point in getting 300mb of internal space when a decent SD card outperforms nand. You can't fit use other roms either which are meant to be used with large caches, and you could brick your device.
Oh, and c) you don't get any of the aosp bugs either
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk
How many of you think the 2.3 update may bring the latest Sense Along with it.
it is quite possible I think !! but then .. we could get the same one too :\
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How many of you think the 2.3 update may bring the latest Sense Along with it.
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I expect same Sense version, but hope for the newer one
@Erklat: what aosp bugs are you talking about? I'm thinking about flashing oxygen because it is said to be bugfree.
I am almost certain that HTC's Desire gingerbread Rom will use the old sense version. Nandspace is simply too small. HD -ROMs only work because of high use of A2SD and HTC can't use that on official ROMs.
Sent from my HTC Desire
We've been EOL for a few months but they did say the GB update would be coming... we saw that early build leak and then nothing.
Is the Droid Incredible the new Droid Eris?
I was hoping for some kind of update before they start releasing those fancy new Windows Phones and I bid adieu to Android. I'm thinking of just finally breaking down and rooting.
Where is the easiest, most straight forward instructions on how to root this puppy. A few ROMS look nice... I figure I might as well try them out.
http://unrevoked.com/ unrevoked is a one click solution for root. Just root. Try out some roms, make a backup of your stock rom if you're unhappy.
Root is the best thing you can ever do to this phone.
-Sent from my Droid Incredible-
Whether Big Red "kicked us out," I don't know, and honestly don't care because the Devs here "picked us up."
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=638
I've been runnin GB for almost a full year now XP
CM7 or MIUI .... all the time
Yeah. Never rely on a big company to provide timley, efficent, bloat free updates like xda.
ADR6300
It's Verizon people. If we ***** at HTC enough they'll cave but I can't write emails for everyone.
Dear XXXXXXXXX,
We are more than happy to be able to provide some clarity to the situation at hand.
Currently, our developers have to work with Verizon to determine when and if a ROM upgrade will be available. Unfortunately, there is no estimated time for availability of any ROM update. Please check the HTC America website for any software updates that may be released, http://www.htc.com/us. Just click on the support link then choose your device.
XXXXXXX, we do apologize for any inconvenience that this may cause.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number.
Sincerely,
Samantha
I only care because of source code & this is Verizon telling HTC not to update. It's fairly obvious that HTC had intentions of continued support.
Verizon has great coverage, but damn they suck at updates
Only thing we need is the damn kernel!
DINC+XDA=Crack
davwman said:
Only thing we need is the damn kernel!
DINC+XDA=Crack
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This.
I know it can be hard for people to justify taking 5 minutes to write an email they think is pointless but I would like to encourage you all to. Verizon will not change their mind but maybe we can get HTC to continue support on their site. Gingerbread won't be a big deal I know but I'm worried about ice cream sandwich & compatibility with our current resources.
You can contact HTC here: http://www.htc.com/us/support/e-mail
They got back to me in 2 days & I'm trying to keep the dialog open.
^^^Ill spam their mailbox everyday! any advice as to what to write?
DINC+XDA=Crack
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^^^Ill spam their mailbox everyday! any advice as to what to write?
DINC+XDA=Crack
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I dunno. I was polite but informed. I simply said that I knew they had plans for it & that older or similar hardware (desire, evo, etc) had received the update so I know it's not for a lack of compatibility or power. I also mentioned my displeasure at the fact that they would rather cater to Verizon than support current customers & they might want to take a page out of apples playbook in that regard.
Lastly I let them know that this would be remembered on my next purchase.
Above all be polite but informed.
Well I just finished my second reply. Basically restating previous points made in further detail but with an emphasis on the fact that apple can't sue them for emulating their politics free policy on supporting their current customers which is a major key to their success.
Once again I implore all of you to be the squeaky wheel. It worked for the desire community. So please people, lets demand some grease.
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This.
I know it can be hard for people to justify taking 5 minutes to write an email they think is pointless but I would like to encourage you all to. Verizon will not change their mind but maybe we can get HTC to continue support on their site. Gingerbread won't be a big deal I know but I'm worried about ice cream sandwich & compatibility with our current resources.
You can contact HTC here: http://www.htc.com/us/support/e-mail
They got back to me in 2 days & I'm trying to keep the dialog open.
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I just sent my second email to HTC.
Ppl still have unrooted Dinc's? Really? My incredible recommendation to you is to root it asap and install cyanogenmod 7.1. It'll Blow your mind!
m52 power! said:
Ppl still have unrooted Dinc's? Really? My incredible recommendation to you is to root it asap and install cyanogenmod 7.1. It'll Blow your mind!
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We're not even talking about being rooted or not. We're talking about an update that should have been released already that will bring with it more fixes and other Rom components we need to keep development alive for our phone. I used to love CM but it definitely did not blow my mind, lol. Its just Android with another overlay.
Tv out and 720p camera don't exist in all the GB releases (customs or leak). It won't till the GB OTA or RUU is released, if ever.
I'll see if I can shoot em an email in the a.m. Wifi is spotty where I'm at currently.
Sent from my awesome sauce Incredible with some sweet Miui action
Visually, there's no difference between 2.2 and the leaked 2.3. If it's that big of a deal to you, root your **** and install the leaked 2.3. It runs fine.
If you want to get more out of your phone, go with CM7.
Good afternoon XDA and especially HTC Desire users!
We know that we don't have much chance to get full-working Android 4.0 but the hope dies at last)
So we made a petition, maybe it is a crazy idea, but i hope that HTC Developers will continue our support!
It is a try to get official Android 4.0 WITHOUT HTC SENSE
So there is no harm in trying! Maybe it will work!
Here is the petition:http://rmd-team.ru/?page_id=393
PS Sorry for my English. If you can change something there, because it is wrong, contact me!
Why "crazy idea"?!
N1
I HOPE THIS HELP!
Хорошая идея)!
Goooood idea!
Count me in ..
and me too....
me too guys
I think this is a noble cause, but there are some big problems with it.
1) HTC had tremendous trouble updating the Desire to Gingerbread, due to the small internal memory size. Squeezing ICS with Sense on top into that same limited amount of memory just isn't going to fly.
2) Even if they could, they're not going to make the effort anyway. The Desire may have been HTC's flagship at one point, right now it's just a 2 year old phone that has seen its fair share of updates. Right now, they'll focus on their current flagships - and could you blame them? If we want their official ICS + Sense experience, we'd just have to buy one of their newer phones. Unless they bring that to our old Desires, which is why they're not going to - their main goal is to make money after all.
3) This doesn't belong in development, post it in the General forum.
If so could HTC will stop manufacturing the focus of software development takes. I love HTC!
ZeGuitarist said:
I think this is a noble cause, but there are some big problems with it.
1) HTC had tremendous trouble updating the Desire to Gingerbread, due to the small internal memory size. Squeezing ICS with Sense on top into that same limited amount of memory just isn't going to fly.
2) Even if they could, they're not going to make the effort anyway. The Desire may have been HTC's flagship at one point, right now it's just a 2 year old phone that has seen its fair share of updates. Right now, they'll focus on their current flagships - and could you blame them? If we want their official ICS + Sense experience, we'd just have to buy one of their newer phones. Unless they bring that to our old Desires, which is why they're not going to - their main goal is to make money after all.
3) This doesn't belong in development, post it in the General forum.
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1) I wrote about HTC Sense in this petition. If it is possible to remove it from this rom everything will be perfect
2) if moderators move this theme to general topic, i will agree with them, but it's closely connected with development.
Never hurts to try, but I think this one is in vain.
They would either have to change hboot partition layout or do something else crazy. There just isn't enough space left on a stock hboot at the moment after installing ICS, let alone Sense on top of it.
The reason we can use ICS is because of A2SD setups where we gain additional space. HTC can't expect this from everyone in a rom for consumers.
i suppose you could petition to get source or drivers released so the amazing devs can cook stuff up for us, that would make more Sense, get it sense lolllllllll
MihailPro said:
1) I wrote about HTC Sense in this petition. If it is possible to remove it from this rom everything will be perfect
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Why would they remove their trigger?
This makes no sense. I'm Desire user but I'm with HTC 100% on this.
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk
As others have said, this will never happen:
1) HTC will not remove Sense from any update - even HTC's new phones with Android 4.0 coming out will still have Sense. As far as HTC is concerned, Sense is what sets them apart from other makers.
2) With Sense, the only way to fit ICS on the Desire would be to change the partition layout. However, no manufacturer will release an update that requires changing the partition layout, for multiple reasons (necessity of unlocking bootloader, warranty invalidation, likelihood of bricking phone, etc)
On the other hand, both Sandvold's and dk_zero_cool's ROMs are pretty much usable as daily drivers. I think we can be pretty happy with how well supported our Desire is by the dev community, and forget about support from HTC (Case in point - Gingerbread: Did anyone actually use the Gingerbread update from HTC? IMO the custom ROMs from this site were all a million times better)
very good idea, it is on that ICS will be well on my desire
Good idea, guys))
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Im in too cheers
Signed. Hope it helps
kuroneko007 said:
2) With Sense, the only way to fit ICS on the Desire would be to change the partition layout. However, no manufacturer will release an update that requires changing the partition layout, for multiple reasons (necessity of unlocking bootloader, warranty invalidation, likelihood of bricking phone, etc)
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My knowledge on this is limited, but Im fairly sure the partition layout could be changed in an update if they wanted it to be. Correct me if Im wrong, but the partition layout is defined in the HBOOT, and HTC have updated the HBOOT via updates in the past.
That said, I am fairly confident they wouldn't do it for other reasons (it'll wipe the users /data partition, and the Desire is now an old phone that they don't see any reason to update).
Would love HTC to prove me wrong though and release an ICS update (or at the very least, updated drivers & kernel/etc that would make things a lot easier for the devs here)
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I hope you all know this is pointless
See here: http://www.htc.com/www/help/android4faq/
Who can conatct to HTC to request ICS for Desire ?!
This thread need to move to general.
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dungphp said:
See here: http://www.htc.com/www/help/android4faq/
Who can conatct to HTC to request ICS for Desire ?!
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Huge number of people had already signed a petition on rmd-team.ru, and the petition had been sent.
However, I don't see any point in this - HTC WON'T upgrade Desire anymore. All our hopes to ICS (which are being fulfilled more and more) lie with fellow devs.
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HTC can't release ICS for the Desire because Sense won't fit on the /system partition(they can't go hacking about like our devs can). Google wouldn't even release AOSP ICS for the Nexus One because it lacked space.
About petition:
It's true I sent it.
Their answers:
"Thank you. We have forwarded your message to the appropriate department."
After a few days...
"Unfortunately, this update isn't planned. We apologise."
nathris said:
HTC can't release ICS for the Desire because Sense won't fit on the /system partition(they can't go hacking about like our devs can). Google wouldn't even release AOSP ICS for the Nexus One because it lacked space.
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Exactly. HTC can't update the desire with ics, because all factory roms have to fit a devices internal partitions, which sense ics will never do (hell, they couldn't even do a proper gb release)
Instead of pointlessly hoping for an official release, help and support the devs that are already getting it working. Its the only way ics is ever being developed for the desire.
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Exactly. HTC can't update the desire with ics, because all factory roms have to fit a devices internal partitions, which sense ics will never do (hell, they couldn't even do a proper gb release)
Instead of pointlessly hoping for an official release, help and support the devs that are already getting it working. Its the only way ics is ever being developed for the desire.
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I trust shaky with the task.....he has probably already done more then anyone could have hoped when sense 4 was released.... Big thumbs up for him...... He's doing more then HTC....
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This is why devs rule over manufacturers. They can get the job done.
lenny_kano said:
Exactly. HTC can't update the desire with ics, because all factory roms have to fit a devices internal partitions, which sense ics will never do (hell, they couldn't even do a proper gb release)
Instead of pointlessly hoping for an official release, help and support the devs that are already getting it working. Its the only way ics is ever being developed for the desire.
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I don't think a company like HTC is incapable of making an update that could change the hboot and create a ext3/ext4 partition on an sd card and make it posibile to install ics with sense4 on the Desire. The thing is that it wouldn't be beneficial for them concidering that they are after all a company that "makes" devices. If they did that then neighter of us would even concider buying a new device than that would mean bancrupcy for them. The main purpose for any company is selling, wheater it's a real or virtual product and HTC produces phisical products not just the software that completes them.
They said initialy that the Desire isn't capable of running GB never the less a version with Sense on it... after that they said that no mater what it can't run ICS... and in that light how many of us can tell them wrong.
In a final saying, it's just down to the devs like Sandvold or Shaky or any of them on XDA and not to create a rom that shows them that there are other people that have a reputation that is earned through hard work and our endless apreciation and deepest respect.
Sorry for my english as it isn't my main language.
Kind regards.
Pushu.X
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pushu.x said:
I don't think a company like HTC is incapable of making an update that could change the hboot and create a ext3/ext4 partition on an sd card and make it posibile to install ics with sense4 on the Desire. The thing is that it wouldn't be beneficial for them concidering that they are after all a company that "makes" devices. If they did that then neighter of us would even concider buying a new device than that would mean bancrupcy for them. The main purpose for any company is selling, wheater it's a real or virtual product and HTC produces phisical products not just the software that completes them.
They said initialy that the Desire isn't capable of running GB never the less a version with Sense on it... after that they said that no mater what it can't run ICS... and in that light how many of us can tell them wrong.
In a final saying, it's just down to the devs like Sandvold or Shaky or any of them on XDA and not to create a rom that shows them that there are other people that have a reputation that is earned through hard work and our endless apreciation and deepest respect.
Sorry for my english as it isn't my main language.
Kind regards.
Pushu.X
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Why are you taking side of manufacturer ?
We are customers, we paid good money to buy a device which should get updated for a couple of years.........specially Android as it is open source.....
See Linux, Ubuntu, Firefox do they charge for updates......
Heck, take APPLE for example, i heard they still give updates for 3g which was released quite a while ago......
I'm not saying your wrong, but why are you thinking from HTC standpoint? They already have too much profit margins......people will still buy new phones even if old ones get updated.........
For example, you can still run the latest windows and apps on a Pentium4 HT even though ITS STONE AGED......see my point? People haven't stopped buying core i7 due to it.......
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Guys you're forgetting the obvious here. HTC does not have to release ICS on the Desire because it is now older than 2 years from initial shipping. Also there's limitations on hardware such as low internal memory. Do not say SD ext as not everybody will understand the point of sd ext. With froyo the last proper ota ROM do not expect any proper updates in the future. Shaky is working on a 3.0 kernel so expect some major improvements when that is released.
If you really want ICS sell your desire and buy a 2nd hand nexus s.
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Another point is: The least of users would even want to install an official update, because of hardware limitations (too few memory) it could never be an OTA. You all know that, without sd-ext our Desires are nearly unusable. And because of that it would be a download-and-use-at-your-own-risk-thing, as 2.3.3 was. I'd say that the 2.3.3 update was also installed mostly by experienced users, who'd also install a custom rom. So why even release one, if there's plenty of custom roms availible? HTC can use their manpower better. So stop complaining, buy a new phone or use any ICS rom.
BTW, we can call ourselves lucky that the desire even got so many updates. See for example some Motorola phones which are still stuck on 2.1. And that's not because of hardware, but the companies not willing to update. HTC is one of the better, as they still plan to upgrade some of the older devices.
Yasir Javed Ansari said:
Why are you taking side of manufacturer ?
We are customers, we paid good money to buy a device which should get updated for a couple of years.........specially Android as it is open source.....
See Linux, Ubuntu, Firefox do they charge for updates......
Heck, take APPLE for example, i heard they still give updates for 3g which was released quite a while ago......
I'm not saying your wrong, but why are you thinking from HTC standpoint? They already have too much profit margins......people will still buy new phones even if old ones get updated.........
For example, you can still run the latest windows and apps on a Pentium4 HT even though ITS STONE AGED......see my point? People haven't stopped buying core i7 due to it.......
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Never took sides with anyone... because I am in comerce and trade I was just stating a personal opinion on a marketing policy. Besides the fact that I own a HTC product I have no other connection to them... so no need for me to take sides.
And as for linux, firefox, opera and all other "software" developers it makes sense to keep updating because their products only live on others hardware.
Never meant to offend anyone, sorry if I've left that impression.
As for an ICS OTA, even if it were to be released, after using custom ROMs for more than a year now and such a great experience I, personaly, wouldn't go back to stock.
Kind regards.
Pushu.X
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