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Once on 2.2, no root....

What's the best way to get rooted. I've tried te avalauncher way, they tell me I have to be rooted to use it. I've tried the simple root OTA, but when it's suppose to take you to factory restore, my phone goes to a backup/restore screen, so it fails cause I can't restore it. Please give me assistance.
I am running 2.2 from a manual install. No root.

You have to wait until the guys here find a way for p eople to root once they have 2.2 . That could take anywhere from a few days to a few weeks

Most likely you are NOT going to be able to root since you ran the OTA update for 2.2....
That is why you should read what you are flashing and know the consequences prior to doing so. Every thread that contained the download for the 2.2 leak said that it will make you lose root and the ability ( for now ) to gain root status.
You need to wait until one of the geniuses figure out a way to do it.
Sorry about your luck.

The best way is toast method...
Good luck!
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UND3RTAK3R said:
The best way is toast method...you can email me if you have any problems [email protected]
Good luck!
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Not gonna work since he used the 2.2 update man.

EVOme said:
What's the best way to get rooted. I've tried te avalauncher way, they tell me I have to be rooted to use it. I've tried the simple root OTA, but when it's suppose to take you to factory restore, my phone goes to a backup/restore screen, so it fails cause I can't restore it. Please give me assistance.
I am running 2.2 from a manual install. No root.
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1. wrong forum, should be in Q&A
2. if you did the manual update from Sprint, you will have to wait until the devs here create a root method for stock 2.2 is developed. Any existing root method will not work at all.

EVOme said:
What's the best way to get rooted. I've tried te avalauncher way, they tell me I have to be rooted to use it. I've tried the simple root OTA, but when it's suppose to take you to factory restore, my phone goes to a backup/restore screen, so it fails cause I can't restore it. Please give me assistance.
I am running 2.2 from a manual install. No root.
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You installed the plain OTA update? The one that says "not rooted yet" on the thread title?
For each new update, HTC tries to protect its software from being rooted. The last update required users to exploit a Flash Lite vulnerability and took a while. You will probably have to wait a long time before you can root this, since it doesn't have Flash Lite.
For future reference, root first THEN update to a rooted rom released by our devs. You can't just install Ava's rom on top of stock 2.2, it prevents you from doing so.

I'm sorry but HOW MANY posts were there saying if you want to keep root, DO NOT INSTALL THE UPDATE?? Ugh...
And yes I know this isn't constructive but sometimes people just need a slap on the back if the head.
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I'm in the same boat. After trying hard to resist the urge, I gave in and installed the leak. After finding the rooted version, I tried to use the 1.47 RUU to go back but it error-ed out. I'm so bummed I can't go back. Oh well; I knew the risk I was taking though so I guess I have to live with it...

Hours my my day wasted....HOURS!!!
Where's my AR-15

Wow, just wow.

I just had a thought: If there is no method for rooting yet, then how are the stock roms being rooted?

Here we go again
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bludragon742 said:
I just had a thought: If there is no method for rooting yet, then how are the stock roms being rooted?
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By digging thru it and finding an exploit.
Which will most likely happen for the 2.2 update as well, just not as of yet.

bludragon742 said:
I just had a thought: If there is no method for rooting yet, then how are the stock roms being rooted?
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With a ROM, you can run through the zip file and essentially take out the parts that would remove root and modify as you see fit to put on an already rooted device -- the device isn't running all the security checks on the ROM, since it's already been rooted to remove those. Much easier, almost trivial.
If you have a non-rooted device, though, you have to find a way to get the device, not the ROM, rooted. The device isn't going to take an unofficial ROM. Big difference, since you have to exploit something already on the device somehow. With the last OTA update, it was Flash Lite that could be exploited for root access to the device. With this one, no one has found a method to root the device once the OTA has been applied (and probably won't really try that hard until the official version is released, in case it closes any exploits that are in the version floating around now).

xeno314 said:
With a ROM, you can run through the zip file and essentially take out the parts that would remove root and modify as you see fit to put on an already rooted device -- the device isn't running all the security checks on the ROM, since it's already been rooted to remove those. Much easier, almost trivial.
If you have a non-rooted device, though, you have to find a way to get the device, not the ROM, rooted. The device isn't going to take an unofficial ROM. Big difference, since you have to exploit something already on the device somehow. With the last OTA update, it was Flash Lite that could be exploited for root access to the device. With this one, no one has found a method to root the device once the OTA has been applied (and probably won't really try that hard until the official version is released, in case it closes any exploits that are in the version floating around now).
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Beat me to it and said it better.

bludragon742 said:
I'm in the same boat. After trying hard to resist the urge, I gave in and installed the leak. After finding the rooted version, I tried to use the 1.47 RUU to go back but it error-ed out. I'm so bummed I can't go back. Oh well; I knew the risk I was taking though so I guess I have to live with it...
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I have no idea how it was "hard to resist" when AVA's rooted version showed up at 5:30pm and netarchy's showed up around 9pm. They showed up before any official sprint OTA. Lets also not forget the hundreds of posts warning people that this would happen.
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I just had a thought: If there is no method for rooting yet, then how are the stock roms being rooted?
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The "rooting method" allows you to get into restricted areas of the phone to install stuff. The act of rooting is breaking into the phone itself, not into the rom. The rom itself is fully accessable and can be hacked up, its just getting it onto the phone is the hard part.
Essentially your phone, stock, is a box that's locked from the inside. For older versions people figured out how to unlock it, so that you can put any hacked up rom onto it. The new OTA, no one knows how to get in yet.
Don't know if that makes sense. It's pretty easy to understand if you understand OS permissions.
EDIT: what the other guy said.

bludragon742 said:
I just had a thought: If there is no method for rooting yet, then how are the stock roms being rooted?
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Because someone takes the CONTENT of the update, and applies it piece-by-piece to an already rooted image, ignoring the bits that replace HBOOT and etc.

Mad06STi said:
I have no idea how it was "hard to resist" when AVA's rooted version showed up at 5:30pm and netarchy's showed up around 9pm. .
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I'll tell you why. The thread gets to 200 pages. There are people saying it works, sucks, bricks, awesome, hate it, stay away, success, etc. After reading 40 pages of it you have no idea up from down. Speaking from someone that is not familiar with Android rooting. It's frustrating. Then you go to one of the other 50 threads and it's all the same.
I never saw anywhere that if I installed the leak i'd be screwed. I'm fine with that though. I have 2.2 and can wait. Just annoyed i've spent hours of my day on this.

This thread was a funny read.
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[Q] How, exactly, does an OTA update break your ability to root, forever?

By the question you can tell that i'm rather inexperienced at this, but a buddy of mine(who has a Droid on VZW) and i were debating whether or not doing an OTA update after you root would cause you to loose your ability to root forever.
I guess it's different on both devices, but he contends that he could unroot his droid, which is running a custom 2.2 ROM, install an OTA update, decide he doesn't like it, then just go back to a 2.1 RUU from VZW or Motorola, and then re-root.
Everything i have read here about the EVO indicates that if i am already rooted, and i accept an OTA update, then i will never be able to root again. Does never, really mean never? Or is it just mean that i won't be able to root using the current methods to root the phone?
What if i had never rooted and then accepted the OTA 2.2 from sprint that may be coming this week, would i then be able to root?
What exactly does the update do to remove the ability to get /root access to the phone? Something with the bootloader, HBOOT, or what?
Thanks for the information. Hopefully, this will settle this question for my friend and I.
Chris

OTA updates typically break any existing root methods, and disable any current root access.
Some OTA's also update the phone in a manner which prevents older official roms (that have working roots) from being reinstalled.
At that point, you have an updated rom with known roots removed, that can't be rolled back, so the only option is to wait until another root exploit is found and released. Which may or may not happen depending on the device and whoever is working on it.
Hope that helps.

You can take and accept as many updates as you want....you just have to modify that update by replacing the new hboot with the engineering one.....that way you can freely flash zip files

HTC is tricksy and they dont let you roll back after the OTA. Motorolla may not have this so your friend may in fact be able to roll back to 2.1 (however he may be misinformed as well).
To root basically they find a bug to exploit that allows us to gain access as a root user. when the OTA updates come out 99% of the time they will fix this bug. HTCat least blocks roll backs so now you are on a new version of the software that you can not go backwards and the bug to root is no longer there.
While there are normally other bugs that can be exploited to get root it is possible that there isnt one or that if there is no one can find it. if they cant find it then it could remove your ability to root permanently.

snandlal said:
You can take and accept as many updates as you want....you just have to modify that update by replacing the new hboot with the engineering one.....that way you can freely flash zip files
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while true accepting an OTA will not give you the chance to do this for most.

ok, that explains things a little better. thanks.

I'm new to all of this as well. My EVO has already been updated OTA by a Sprint employee while I was purchasing the phone. From what I've read it looks like I'm SOL until someone cracks 2.2. One quick question though... How long did it take people to be able to root the first software on the EVO's?

[Q] OTA update from verizon and 3g hotspot

People are saying the OTA update from verizon is coming the 18th of august. The question I have is that I unlocked my phone using the unrevoked forever unlocker. The only reason why I wanted to unlock is to be able to use my phone as a wifi modem. Can I just upgrade as stated by verizon when going through OTA update or should I do it differently since my phone is unlocked. When I do the upgrade is my phone still unlocked/rooted and can I still ultilize the wireless tether instead of the 3g hotspot.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7660617&postcount=5
-Flash the stock recovery using the attached file.
-Install the OTA like normal.
-Use this image from Unrevoked to put ClockworkMod back on.
-If the OTA removed root and busybox, put busybox on the SD card, then use this update.zip from here to restore root.
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Can't see that Wireless Tether wouldn't work... It's working with current 2.2 releases, 2.15 radio, etc.

SimonTuffGuy said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7660617&postcount=5
Can't see that Wireless Tether wouldn't work... It's working with current 2.2 releases, 2.15 radio, etc.
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that doesnt apply to incredible's ota. first of all the people saying ota is coming the 18th are all stat-hungry failing websites that are essentially blogs for retards to post something up that they call "news" just to get people to check out the site. and second, even when the ota comes out, if you want hotspot or even root, youre gonna have to wait till unrevoked gets a hold of it and exploits it (if theyre even able to cus the only exploit we have might get plugged.) so my advice, dont bother with the verizon ota. wait for unrevoked to release it.

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that doesnt apply to incredible's ota. first of all the people saying ota is coming the 18th are all stat-hungry failing websites that are essentially blogs for retards to post something up that they call "news" just to get people to check out the site. and second, even when the ota comes out, if you want hotspot or even root, youre gonna have to wait till unrevoked gets a hold of it and exploits it (if theyre even able to cus the only exploit we have might get plugged.) so my advice, dont bother with the verizon ota. wait for unrevoked to release it.
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If you had actually READ the post, you would have seen that with s-off there is a method of rooting that can be applied regardless of the ROM.
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tchebb said:
If you had actually READ the post, you would have seen that with s-off there is a method of rooting that can be applied regardless of the ROM.
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Exactly... The rest of that thread talks about the official 2.2 OTA with s-off?

[Q] If you are s-off w/root and custom recovery...why take OTA?

I don't get it....
I have been rooting and customizing since my Droid 1. In all that time over several devices...there was never a need to un-root and take an OTA...that was not soon made available through Dev's that could be flash via customer recovery, or pushed via ADB.
But I keep reading how all these HTC One users are doing just that.
I got my One on Thursday from VZW store, and it was still running 1.10.605.8. I figured that once s-off and rooted I could flash any new radios/modems...and the ROMs would take care of the rest...so no need to update to 1.10.605.15.
Currently running EclipticOne with the 1.10.605.15 radios.
Am I wrong? Is there something I missed?
Thanks,

I think it's the amount of people who are new to the process of how to handle taking updates when they're S-Off/Unlocked Bootloader/Rooted. The only way they've ever known to do Android updates is taking OTA's. They're new to the paradigm of manually updating radios, hboot, and /system.
It can't be stressed enough that OTA's are designed for completely stock, untouched devices. OTA's aren't made with hacks in mind, nor will they ever be, nor should they be.
If you want to go S-OFF, unlock the bootloader, install a custom recovery, and get root, you have to be willing to take on some of the extra responsibilities that come along with it. One of those is forfeiting a normal OTA process. OTA's will, at the very least, remove root. You're going to have to boot to recovery to reinstall superuser so you might as well just do all the updates manually.

Really just a matter of preference and what you are after. This is the first phone I have owned that I am content running stock, other than a few apps that require root. It's actually faster for me to take the OTA and reflash custom recovery/supersu which are already on my computer than to wait for someone to upload the goods.The end result is the same, just different ways of getting there, none better than the other.

xenakis said:
Really just a matter of preference and what you are after. This is the first phone I have owned that I am content running stock, other than a few apps that require root. It's actually faster for me to take the OTA and reflash custom recovery/supersu which are already on my computer than to wait for someone to upload the goods.The end result is the same, just different ways of getting there, none better than the other.
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I could be wrong but if you take an ota and expect to retain root and s-off every time, you might be in for a surprise. im pretty sure certain updates have been pushed that relocked bootloaders and removed s-off.

MJL99 said:
I could be wrong but if you take an ota and expect to retain root and s-off every time, you might be in for a surprise. im pretty sure certain updates have been pushed that relocked bootloaders and removed s-off.
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It was my understanding S-OFF stays on/off (whatever) no matter what OTA you take.
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Though folks often warn that an OTA may remove s-off, I have never seen evidence of one doing this and could not find any posts on XDA or anywhere else about this happening. And while it is technically feasible for an OTA to remove s-off, I can't imagine any phone maker or carrier doing so. More important for them is patching known exploits, which if you already have s-off is not an issue since the exploit was only needed to get you s-off, not to keep you there.
Obviously, this wouldn't be the first time that I am wrong and welcome anyone to post a link to an example of an OTA undoing s-off. I'm only here to learn and if you keep me from screwing up my phone, I'll thank you!

Verizon OTA 11C

Has anyone done the OTA update from verizon?
I expect that I will lose root, but can I get it back the same way I did with 10B?

Dont do it.
I got my G3 about 4 days ago, and i immediately updated it. I think i found a way to flash back to 10b so i can root. As of now, i am unable to root with stomproot, ioroot, and purpledrake (or whatever its called). I have no idea what would happen if a rooted g3 with 10b upgraded to 11c.

Maybe towel root would work
2SHAYNEZ

Towel root didn't work for 10b

blindguyinanorgy said:
Has anyone done the OTA update from verizon?
I expect that I will lose root, but can I get it back the same way I did with 10B?
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blindguyinanorgy said:
Towel root didn't work for 10b
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Please refer to your Verizon G3 forums - http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-lg-g3/general. There are several threads there that talk about the OTA update, why it is not good to take OTA updates, and luckily for you a method for getting back to 10b.
Consider yourself lucky. There is no guarantee that you will be able to downgrade after taking an OTA update. Blindly taking updates is a great way to loose root and bump in the future.

Almost every thread that shows you how to root and bump tells you to not take updates, c'mon guys they are telling you to protect your device.

sic0048 said:
Please refer to your Verizon G3 forums - http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-lg-g3/general. There are several threads there that talk about the OTA update, why it is not good to take OTA updates, and luckily for you a method for getting back to 10b.
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I didn't think there was a verizon thread last time i looked (months ago). Someone please move this thread.
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Consider yourself lucky. There is no guarantee that you will be able to downgrade after taking an OTA update. Blindly taking updates is a great way to loose root and bump in the future.
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Not lucky, I know to ask first, hence this thread.
I didnt realize how for the community has come on custom flashing since I got my phone and rooted it. Definitely need to spend some time seeing what we got.

I did the update last night. I can confirm that the update did not remove my root and in fact the update only was to make the phone run more smoothly.

ToF_Itachi said:
I did the update last night. I can confirm that the update did not remove my root and in fact the update only was to make the phone run more smoothly.
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It didn't remove root, but it is currently unrootable. This means that if you should loose root somehow, you will not be able to get it back. I HIGHLY suggest you go to the Verizon G3 forum and read all the threads there. You can get all the benefits of the update without loosing the root method via the methods there.
I don't know how many times this has been said, but apparently there are still a ton of dumb people out there.......
NEVER TAKE AN OTA UPDATE IF YOU LIKE BEING ROOTED OR IF YOU EXPECT TO RETAIN THE ABILITY TO BUMP

sic0048 said:
It didn't remove root, but it is currently unrootable. This means that if you should loose root somehow, you will not be able to get it back. I HIGHLY suggest you go to the Verizon G3 forum and read all the threads there. You can get all the benefits of the update without loosing the root method via the methods there.
I don't know how many times this has been said, but apparently there are still a ton of dumb people out there.......
NEVER TAKE AN OTA UPDATE IF YOU LIKE BEING ROOTED OR IF YOU EXPECT TO RETAIN THE ABILITY TO BUMP
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Well luckily i still had root before the update.