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I am new to this community (this may even be one of my first posts, i cant remeber) but ive read alot of what is going on.
this is no matter what people say a good site....but recently its unbearably slow which is really killing the community sharing help etc, the ftp got wiped out, im sure alot of the members who put worki into that are extremely annoyed, and finally there are so many people on the forum posing the same old 'help i did this' stuff...which leads to the conclusion that the faqs need an update.
well i am unsure of who the admin(s) are but it looks like you guys are struggling or do not have the time to solve these issues on your own.... which i can appreciate.
so i for one would like to offer some help...and im sure the older more experienced members would lend a hand too.
my initial thoughts would be to get some of you veterans to update the faqs try to incorporate the whole upgrading and downgrading as simply as possible... far too many ppl are trying 2005. o and a nice clear sign about the mda3 unlocking.
the other thing i feel is a necessary step is to make the ftp readonly to normal users and have a set of superusers with write access...these would be the people that use it the most or are well respected members...if someone other than them have something worth uploading then they need to send it to a superuser to check and do... its a minor point but it would provide some security without hindering those superusers that need to upload regularly.
finally the slowness.. i dont know whats causing it but theres a solution to every problem...if the server has a low throughput im sure i read somewhere someones company was willing to donate a dedicated server to our cause...wouldnt evev need donations with that.
well theres my 2 pence what do you guys think? i want this community to keep going..the only way thats gonna happen is by putting some effort in!
Tim
I wholeheartedly agree.
In recent months there has been a real decline in the quality of this forum, and though it's not particularly anyone's fault, there is SO much repetition and laziness by so many people who post the same questions AGAIN and AGAIN without taking the time to search first. There's fresh examples of this within the past day!
I don't know how others feel, but as far as I'm concerned there are certain rules that should be followed if a forum is to keep it's usefulness and keep to a structured order. I used to run one many moons ago so I know what I'm talking about. Firstly, people seem to post wherever they want, regardless of content. I can't count the number of times I've seen "help crashed my XDA2 going up to WM2003SE" in General or Development/Hacking. 99 times out of 100 it will be the Country ID error, something I've read about so many times I could now fix in my sleep. I can understand people's panic when this happens as it happened to me as well, but what I did was calm down, get on here and search for Country ID errors. Low and behold, DCS and edSub to the rescue and within half an hour I was back on the road to Upgradeville.
Secondly, there's been a general increase in the rudeness of people posting; from new members and old. Some think that it's OK to post half their question in the Subject, then go "anyone got any ideas?". Then when there's no response within a few hours, the same poster is back saying "no one seen this?" or with some insult about people not helping. Even I've had an odd dig the odd time, so I know how easily it happens.
Thirdly, the WM2005 interest is hacking me off. I can appreciate it if it solves the problems of those using it over 2003SE, but (and I can't believe I'M saying this) just cos it's out there doesn't mean we have to have it - especially considering the risks of such a topic. I'm no legal expert on this but I know MS have been coming down HARD on ANYONE hosting or posting screenshots / divulging information about an alpha product (AFAIK). I wish the moderators would remove this, and then emphasise, as they have done on tekguru, that they will not comment / tolerate any hosting or screenshots etc. I don't want to see this site shut down, and I've posted about it before, only to find a few days later some idiot HAS uploaded the files to the FTP. I bet it hasn't helped the recent slowness, quite aside from its illegality!!
http://www.tekguru.co.uk/phpBB2/index.php?article=5813
I agree Tim, I too would love to lend a hand where needed. I would be happy to help with constructing more up to date FAQs like on tekguru, and I completely agree that FTP needs to be readonly to all new users and most regular members also (prob inc me :shock: ). This site needs to get back on track, as it's still by far the most useful and helpsite resource for XDA/MDA/whatever and I would hate to see it go down the pan.
Ant
glad to see i'm not the only one willing to lend a hand
if we can get a few more people willing to help then it wont take very long at all to get this place going well again
I think Admins have abandoned XDA-Developers site time ago,but in some topics I read that they were busy with the Xanadux Project(Linux port),try to ask more to Peter Poelman e Lumpistefan about admins. 8)
So,I agree partially,there is no return from hold Win2k5,we need to keep it, we are a community,we will not share it in the FTP for security but need to know more about it,reverse it. You can't stop the knowoledge! Also Win2k3SE for XDA2,it is not officially announced,but you can read plenty of posts.
Some minor things to Upgrade,Improve in this site are:
-Create a CHAT in the site: Many users will benefit to this live communication,not only posts.
-NEW Profiles: add XDA3,Magician,etc..options
-Avatars disappeared, admin told it is for couple of weeks,some months ago.
-Improve the Search engine: Did you try to search something? it will return too many post,unrelated.
-Find and fix why XDA-Developers is so slow.
heh you just reminded me...the chat thing
i thought it would be nice to do an irc channel
and thanks for the info i will email peter... if the admins are busy with xanadux thats fine (im quite interested in the project) but we could do with someone to step in and keep this place running (peter?) and to organise a team to do what we all see as the issues.
as to the legality of win mob 2005...ive never cared about legal issues personally...but from the point of view of admin it must be removed off of xda dev...if someone hosts it somewhere and links it in a foum be it on their head... but xda dev cannot host it for their own safety
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as to the legality of win mob 2005...ive never cared about legal issues personally...but from the point of view of admin it must be removed off of xda dev...if someone hosts it somewhere and links it in a foum be it on their head... but xda dev cannot host it for their own safety
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Exactly, MS have shut down sites for simply having posted screenshots, or at least told them in no uncertain terms, to remove them. To find we have uploaded installation files to this site is a big concern to me and MUST be sorted.
Count me in!
Hi all,
I've been scrounging through these forums for a while now and have learnt a lot - cheers to all with the knowledge who are willing to share. I've managed to unlock XDA 1, 2 and 2s (ok, had to pay to sim unlock MDA3 - but found the link here! ;-) ) recently as mentioned we have a painfully slow site, a simple search provides 50 pages of mostly unrelated threads, 10 pages of which are all about the same thing! I'm more than happy to help sort out some proper FAQ pages; I've cocked up on ROM flashing due to country ID too! It's a panicky situation - none of us wants a 200-400 pound paperweight! In short - count me in for hands on help, I'd love to learn more but also help the others out a bit.
Mike
well i sent a pm to peter and no reply as yet (its only been a day so im not giving up yet) but i just read another post of someone tring to get in contact and he seemed to have very little luck... im running out of ideas here i want to help but if the main ppl are not around then we cant really do much... it looks like the admin team have gone completely awol ... im almost tempted to say we should find someon willing to do free hosting (someone mentioned it in one of th forums) and mirror the site...but that defeats the idea of having one nice place... id raher fix than replace....anyone got any ideas?
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try to ask more to Peter Poelman e Lumpistefan about admins. 8)
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I'm far away being an admin or anything else here. :roll: I'm just a normal user as you are...
But I've talked to a few of the xda-deveolpers team at the fair cebit in the middle of march. They have lot of work, so this maybe the point why they aren't so often in the forum. And i think for 99% the community just works well without any of those "admins"...
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-NEW Profiles: add XDA3,Magician,etc..options
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The profiles (XDA and XDA II) are a special patch for the phpBB-Software. Sadly this patch do not allow more than two profiles. This is the case why only those 2 profiles exists and why the forum is splitted in seperate sections (XDA, XDA II, MAgician, Blueangel, ...)
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Stefan
hey thanks for the info lumpistefan
tis a bit of a shame we cant get hold of someone able to solve the slowness and ftp issue!
with regards to the faq's im gonna try and make an introduction to the himalaya cover sim lock flashing and a few other important things in my spare time if anyone feels like working on the other hansets feel free.. my plan is to do it over next couple of weeks and post it for review make sure i cover everything.
Looks like the site is starting to get quicker again.
Well done to who ever fixed this.
Much more enjoyable browsing through the posts.
Keep up the good work.
Amphetamine dust on the cpu did the trick.
Thank you tim_programmer for starting this topic.
I am coming towards the end of a project that's been keeping me busy. Once finished, I would be happy to lend a hand also.
Whilst lumpistefan has a point about admins, I believe they are needed. Human nature dictates that while the cat's away the mice will play. Trouble is, some of the mice (the 1%) are turning into rats
As regards WM2005, although I don't agree in censorship in that we should be able to discuss it, etc., it is obvious that Microsoft are not going to tolerate very much and we (the site) are on very thin ice by allowing hosting of content and links, etc. Again, it is the admins duty to sort this out. We have pushed the envelope with stuff before, but that involved already released products.
Some of us reverse, some of us hack. We can still do that when WM2005 is released officially (in whatever language )
i agree server has got quicker...tis nice
with regards to wm2005 its only the hosting im concerned with everything else like discussing hacking reverse engineering go for it!
Ummm.... (I'm feeling like I might regret this...) it wouldn't be that hard to start an alternative website for these machines. Not that I wish to minimise the huge contribution made by xda-developers.com to the understanding and improving of these HTC devices, but if the admins on this site don't have the time to moderate it and manage it and don't respond to offers of help or support then perhaps we should form an alternative?
I'm a web developer and have worked in the past with the Minerva forum/website package ( www.project-minerva.org ) and it's very very good when you're looking for a website-in-a-box. It wouldn't be so hard to set it up and try to take some of the load off xda-developers.com while acknowledging the work that's been done here so far.
Edit - as for the site getting quicker, well it isn't for me. Just took 5 minutes to submit this post...
I don't often look at this site these days because the speed is so bad. It'll be losing regulars already I'm sure.
wow. this hasn't been posted in in forever. Sorry to revive this but there is some good info here. I want to help get this site back on track as well. I have tons of free time to dedicate as well.
Yep, got to agree. The main problem is lazyness by posters. No one reads http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=4534.
There are so many infringements of 1,2,and 5.
But what can you do ? You can't just ban people, because its normally just done once or twice by somebody when they are desperate for a solution.
The problem here is, as was said higher up, the number of threads on the same subject almost makes the search useless because it is hard to find the one with the definitive answer. I try to help people but when you see a question that has been asked numerous times before you think "why should I bother, I'll have to search to point hime in the correct direction, so why can't he"
What I did suggest was that duplicated posts/repeated topics were moved to a repetition bin, and deleted after a week. But at the moment the amount of work for the mods each day would be huge.
I agree with everythig that has been said in this post, I have been browsing xda-developers for about 3 years now, altho i have only been registered about a year, as my contribution has been very little.
However i feel that my knowledge has increase greatly, mainly due to this site, and i would love to help with FAQ's, Admin, Reviews, and anything else you guys want help with. I dont have a lot of free time, but any that i do have i will gladly donate to xda-developers in the hope that we can make this site what it used to be.
I think it is obvious that something needs to be done, but at the moment we only have suggestions and unless someone steps forward with a solution that is all this post is going to be. (this sounds a bit harsh, sorry).
So here's to keeping the community alive.
Dahquim
kevino said:
Yep, got to agree. The main problem is lazyness by posters. No one reads http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=4534.
What I did suggest was that duplicated posts/repeated topics were moved to a repetition bin, and deleted after a week. But at the moment the amount of work for the mods each day would be huge.
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This would be a massive task, sure, but a site this big could do with more moderators to move and delete duplicate posts. There are a lot of people who have been a member of this site for quite some time who I am sure wouldn't mind chipping in to help if they were asked, I know I would like the chance to give more back to this site after the help, support and knowledge I have gained. How many moderators do we have at the moment? Just my thoughts, I love this forum and would love to help improve it.
domain expires this year!
kevino said:
Yep, got to agree. The main problem is lazyness by posters. No one reads http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=4534.
There are so many infringements of 1,2,and 5.
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Yes but that's your standard problem on all forums. The underlying problem is that the administrators have abandoned us. We need a few full time mods to make everything runs smoother. A LOT needs to be updated.
One of the biggest problems i noticed with the site immediately was it's speed. The one place we can improove the sites speed almost instantly is the search. There is NO search flood control in place. There is also no limit on the minimum size of a search string. So it's capturing at the at, or, it, to, etc. searches. Id needs to have wildcards enabled. and filter out two letter searches. (maybe even three, but with the phone names the filtering might just be a pain)
Also i don't know if anyone realizes but www.xda-developers.com will expire on 12/12 of 2006. I have emailed the person that is registered under the domain name and haven't received a reply yet. If i don't soon I may just go to a third party and reserve the domain when it expires. Although there's also the problem of getting all the infinite information off this guys server which is probably sitting in his basement in the netherlands.
It would be ideal to get another server and mirror this site on it as .net or something. But i don't know if we currently have enough traffic to generate the kind of revenue needed to keep the thing paid for.
And as a side note. Does anyone know how i can download from the ftp? It just disconnects me instantly with flashfxp, firefox, or ie.
[edit] also the search needs to have more options and a "titles only" search would greatly help narrow things down. There needs to be a "README: How to search" sticky detailing boolean searches.
Attention NOOBS. I'm becoming less patient with your posts that include whining and redundancy. This forum isn't here to provide you with all the comforts of your carrier. These roms and installing them is for people who are advanced users of WM. If you need your device for work and you're new to PocketPCs this isn't the place for you. These roms aren't for you so please stick to your carriers’ rom.
WM6 is new. SO NEW that Third-Party app developers haven't gotten all their fixes in. Our ROM chefs aren't responsible for those errors. Research and develop a fix, wait until someone develops a fix, or wait for the app developer...But before installing a rom you need to weigh whether or not it is worth it to loose some of your favorite apps. If you must have SPB plus and you read that people are having issues with it don't install the rom UNLESS you want to help find the fix. IF NOT...WAIT until the app developer upgrades their app. Don't install it and then post complaints and threads.
The chefs of these roms aren't here to help you setup your device and to solve all of your issues. If you have issues read, search and fix them. The research is part of the fun...finding fixes is part of the fun. Finding new ways to configure your device and setups is FUN. By asking first you're not participating in the best part of the forum.
As for fixing the "noob" issue...I think there is one pretty good solution.
I think the only way to fix such an issue is to either restrict new users from posting in the the WM6 forums for a period of time after joining. Hopefully you'll use that period of time to read. Because if you choose to install a rom and you know you can't ask a question you'll probably be more apt to read.
I'm not anti-noob. I was a noob once and I am still a noob in many ways. I also know that there are some good noobs in the forum. But I'm tired of taking the time to read the threads for critical information and coming across posts for how to install a new theme or where did the backlight on my keyboard go. That's where your user manual or the HTC website comes in. For Cingular people you have a great resource over @ the Cingular forums.
This is a community of like minded technical individuals. This is not HTC tech support or your carriers support. No one here owes you ANYTHING. You install a rom it's on you. If you can't take the responsibility then don't install the rom. It's pretty simple really.
I just had to get that off my chest. I'm sick and cranky but that only played a small role.
Again TIP YOUR CHEF!!!!! and donate to XDA. To all of you that make this a interactive vibrant technical-minded environment THANK YOU!
X (donning flame suit)
Helping is useless you just get bashed for it. Instead of putting useless programs that the "chef" uses they could spend that time using the carrier files located in the rom kitchen to help out users which takes all of what 3 minutes if that to recompile for a carrier. This would be much more productive then *****ing when someone tries to help by doing that. It's a joke suggesting someone help when they get nothing but grief and sarcasm when they do.
the time it takes to put "useless" apps in a rom is about 40 seconds.
99.9percent of the time is spent on optimizing the OS to ensure i runs efficiently and stable.
Carrier settings are a big no no as the ROMS being developed should be portable from one carrier to another. the perosn who installs the ROM should know what their carrier settings are etc.... not the ROM chefs.
EDIT: there is a fine line between "helping" (ie developing a fix and posting it in the official rom thread) as compared to re-releasing the hard work that went into optimizing wm6 etc and just adding one XML customization (what you did)
Also note, that recompiling a compressed ROM will cause issues to the people that have installed it. you must decompile the original OS.nb that hasnt been compressed.
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the time it takes to put "useless" apps in a rom is about 40 seconds.
99.9percent of the time is spent on optimizing the OS to ensure i runs efficiently and stable.
Carrier settings are a big no no as the ROMS being developed should be portable from one carrier to another. the perosn who installs the ROM should know what their carrier settings are etc.... not the ROM chefs.
EDIT: there is a fine line between "helping" (ie developing a fix and posting it in the official rom thread) as compared to re-releasing the hard work that went into optimizing wm6 etc and just adding one XML customization (what you did)
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Yes, you have proved you dont give a **** seeing you post the files that dont work
tell WPbear that and the hundreds of people that got cingular working with that.
And just to remind you its not my job to ensure u set up your carrier. You found a fix, damn mate, post it in the thread.
Although this is an open source community in a way, it is still harmful to the developrs if their work is ripped off without courtesy. ASk first then post later, not post first and hope its ok!
this matter of discussion will stop right now. by the fact that your posts were deleted by mods is a clear sign that you push the boundaries of helping.
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this matter of discussion will stop right now. by the fact that your posts were deleted by mods is a clear sign that you push the boundaries of helping.
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You must have missed the part where I could care less if they were or not? Who are you to say when this will or will not stop? I could care less if you have more pull here or not the forum is bullsit pulling favortism.
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xultar said:
Attention NOOBS. I'm becoming less patient with your posts that include whining and redundancy. This forum isn't here to provide you with all the comforts of your carrier. These roms and installing them is for people who are advanced users of WM. If you need your device for work and you're new to PocketPCs this isn't the place for you. These roms aren't for you so please stick to your carriers’ rom.
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Again TIP YOUR CHEF!!!!! and donate to XDA. To all of you that make this a interactive vibrant technical-minded environment THANK YOU!
X (donning flame suit)
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I agree with you that people shouldn't have complained too much on this and that regarding the ROMs cooked by our good fellows.
However I believe there is a better way pursuading people instead of yelling here, in this way you are not much different from those people.
Also you make sounds like it's a must to donate. Well I believe ROM chefs were doing this voluntarily without any intension to collect money. It would be nice for people to donate as a kind of support, but putting it this way may have make it sounds like there are financial motivations behind this ROM cooking thihg.
Anyway, well done CHEFs, keep it up.
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I agree with you that people shouldn't have complained too much on this and that regarding the ROMs cooked by our good fellows.
However I believe there is a better way pursuading people instead of yelling here, in this way you are not much different from those people.
Also you make sounds like it's a must to donate. Well I believe ROM chefs were doing this voluntarily without any intension to collect money. It would be nice for people to donate as a kind of support, but putting it this way may have make it sounds like there are financial motivations behind this ROM cooking thihg.
Anyway, well done CHEFs, keep it up.
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no its not a must to donate... but its nice to be appreciated especially when the 'CHEF' has spend hours upon hours of his time and experience to benefit the community... honestly where would we be without these guys??? we would have locked handsets and be stuck with crappy carrier ROM's...
Hmmm
The noobs who post the ridiculous questions that have been answered many times before are (by their very nature) highly unlikely to read or care about this thread.....
Whilst I agree with some of the underlying points (read the wiki and the threads, use the search function etc) surely the more people who get interested in these devices, the wider they will be available and the better support etc from the carriers and htc will be available, meaning people here can spend more time developing rather than fixing bugs? The initial post just reads as if basically if you are not an experienced developer then you can just **** off. Not sure if (a) that is how it was meant or (b) that is the majority view.
Me thinks that xultar and custel need to grow up! Although you both evidently came into this as experts(sic), some others did not have your apparent vast wealth of experience to fall back on. To insult senior members, mods, and our chefs is unacceptable behavior! I, and I am sure others, are hoping to see you go!
The search functions can be a bit of a challenge....LOL, but insults and criticism are not needed.....Do us all a favor and just leave!
Okay.....there's my 4 cents worth..........
Later
NOOBS are ok i guess, but I like like BOOBS much more! We need more BOOBS around here! ;-)
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NOOBS are ok i guess, but I like like BOOBS much more! We need more BOOBS around here! ;-)
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Even better NOOBS with BOOBS,
ElGato65 said:
Even better NOOBS with BOOBS,
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... or boobs with noobs
ROFLMAO!!!
Same song, different forums. Yes, the noobs need to read the wiki and learn more, but we've all been there and need to remember what it was like getting yelled at in the forums. Yes, some of the "experts" think they're on a pedestal and can be huge jerks, but they've seen the same 10 questions about 1000 times and they help create noob resources like the wiki and the cool roms. Most of us are sitting in the middle just watching both sides screaming and thinking, "it's just a forum, wtf?"
I realize that the real issue began because of all the noobs bricking their phones trying to do things they don't fully understand and the animosity that comes from the ROM archive being removed as an indirect result. In case no one has noticed, this is not exactly an underground site and has become pretty popular with the increasing popularity of HTC products and the fine work that many of the contributors here have done. (Not to mention all the ppc sites that have linked to this one.)
The original post had some good points and I think was well-intended, however, Custel and Jasjamming decided to bring their personal beef with each other into it. If you two would like to argue with each other, feel free to use the private message function. Neither of you are helping this topic and only furthering the idea that a low post count means you're flame bait and a high post count means that you're allowed to tell people what they can and cannot post openly in the threads despite not being a mod. The moral here? We're all part of the same community here, so stop pissing on the neighbor's flowers and just tell him calmly that you're allergic while keeping in mind the other neighbors might like them.
As for the noobs destroying their phones with software they didn't understand and asking really simple over-asked questions, maybe we should make a quiz of basic information that pertains to each model and the information needed to do basic mods to them that all members have to answer with a certain percentage of success before allowing posts or access to download links (exluding a few basic forums). Each group that's active enough could make up their own pop quiz (Hermes, Trinity, etc...). All questions sourced from the wiki of course. Just a thought, since the only other suggestion seems to be to scream at the new guys and tell them to read (and search, which btw, really sucks on most forums since you have to know exactly what you're searching for to find anything useful in many cases).
having successfully upgraded several different models of HTC device to WinMo6 I know that there's very little risk from the process and a hell of a lot to gain.
Nobody here with a new-ish handset that's considering the upgrade is destitute and penniless, considering what the devices cost I'm beginning to wonder why donations to either the chefs or XDA devs isn't the norm...
Seriously, there are a lot of tight bastards around here, more than there are 'new' users who can't be arsed to use the search before opening the 30th thread asking for help on the exact same issue.
Post from a NOOB
Guys,
Let me give you a viewpoint from a NOOB. I would not call myself technically challenged nor lazy, but definitely new to this wonderful forum where some people who are way more cooler than me have found ways to help me make better use of my handheld than what I had stock.
Yes, I read the Hermes wiki checked through all (or the threads I thought were relevant) to make sure that this was something I wanted to (and could) do without bricking my expensive device. Even though I thought I read quite a lot, and did everything the wiki said, after I did something I could not verify whether what I did worked or not (like the time I SuperCID-ed my phone and did not know what the steps where to confirm it happened). So I ask. Some times people answer my questions, sometime they dont.
Yes, noobs need to know not to quote large message chunks, they need to read before they ask. I agree to all that. But some people say things like if you are not technical dont even bother to be here, that's insulting.
Though I read and re-read Xultar's initial post and I did not see anything there that really insulted me. I think he had a valid point that if you think you are faint of heart, please stick to your carrier's forum. These forums and this great site is for those adventurers (it just gives me an ego boost to think that way ;-)) who like to go where no man has gone before.
I have been here probably 2 weeks, and I feel like I found a place where I can belong. I just wish I were cool enough to really cook some ROMS. But I think I can get started in small ways.
Jasjamming, I understand your frustration when people take what you have taken great pains in doing and then repackage it, especially without your permission. No excuses for that. But it does not behoove for someone of your stature in this community to bad mouth people. I (and am sure more noobs like me) look up to people like you, kyphur and LVSW who can do things that most of us can just dream about. Just let go or I am sure that the moderators of this forum can remove those posts without much problem.
Sorry for the long rant, but I like this place. And felt I had to weigh in on this conversation.
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You must have missed the part where I could care less if they were or not? Who are you to say when this will or will not stop? I could care less if you have more pull here or not the forum is bullsit pulling favortism.
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its not about pulling favoritism, its about respect... if you want to use someone else's work for your own then ask permission from the creator and give credit where credits due... the chefs work hard on what they do, kyphur, jasjamming, etc.. all of them.. spend countless hours developing cooked roms for everyone, donations or not.. If you dont like the rules of the community then there are other boards you can point your browser to. Most of the times when you ask permission then the chef will be more than happy to lend you a hand...
Now everyone play nice or find a different board.
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its not about pulling favoritism, its about respect... if you want to use someone else's work for your own then ask permission from the creator and give credit where credits due... the chefs work hard on what they do, kyphur, jasjamming, etc.. all of them.. spend countless hours developing cooked roms for everyone, donations or not.. If you dont like the rules of the community then there are other boards you can point your browser to. Most of the times when you ask permission then the chef will be more than happy to lend you a hand...
Now everyone play nice or find a different board.
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Please delete this thread. I'll send a PM to a Mod as well.
Thanks.
does anyone have a link to the guitar hero cab? greatly appreaciated
Seconded.... except my message is much to short
Me too Please !!
why is everyone so protective of it, ive seen numerous posts on this site with people claiming they have it yet noone wants to give it up. it'd be greatly appreaciated i mean we are all here for the same reason, to help eachother out.
Probably because its copyrighted
just because someone has it, it doesnt mean they are going to freely give it out to anyone. It's not being rude, just selective. For example, if I had this game. I would only give it out to other people that have contributed to this site, not just a bunch of leechers that gain info or software and have nothing reciprocating to offer. And secondly it would be via PM or other communication ways. Not posted publicly on this site (which is against site rules)
Put it this way.... i'm not going to tell you where ( again against site rules) but there IS a site that has this app posted ( cTacked version) but you will need to find out where it is posted for yourself.
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Quite true, but isnt distributing edited versions of Windows Mobile O/S.
I am not complaining btw without Kavana and Rickys WM6.1 i would be stuck with BT Bloatware.
its really not that great. i was able to nail every song on the highest settings with little effort. its mainly good to just show off. plus you need a good interneet connection to get the songs
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why is everyone so protective of it, ive seen numerous posts on this site with people claiming they have it yet noone wants to give it up. it'd be greatly appreaciated i mean we are all here for the same reason, to help eachother out.
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Why do schoolchildren hide things behind their backs and say "MINE! You can't have it!"?
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Why do schoolchildren hide things behind their backs and say "MINE! You can't have it!"?
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so you leechers keep your grubby paws off
I'm not a leecher. Never asked for a damned bit of your warez (I always hated the whole fake-music genre of games), but it seems like I hit a nerve with that comment. Guess if you have it, you're a leecher.
All I was saying is that having something like guitar hero makes certain people feel special...because they have it and others don't. If they let it out too liberally, just like the child in the schoolyard, they're not special anymore because everybody is the same again. They lose the "look what I got and you don't" shine.
It's a nasty attitude and shows that people really don't grow up. If you don't want to give it out, you really don't have to say anything at all. But it's the schoolboy in you that has to yell "MINE!"
To the original poster, Guitar Hero III mobile is available online. T-Mobile has it in their downloads as well. And I'm not sure who told you we're all here for the same reason: to help each other out. There are quite a lot of people here who feel they're at some elite status and can't be bothered with people who are where they were, say, ten months ago.
problem is, that most people dont contribute to this site ( or at least this forum) they sit here asking all sorts of questions, but never offer any help to others. Im not an eliteist.... i did what most techy type guys most like did when they first got their phones, they dabbled with it, figured crap out for themselves, and when they didnt, they found the almightly google for help. Once they started to put 2 & 2 together with what their phone could and couldnt do, they started offering help to others, and i stress help. Help is not giving out software that they have and saying: " here ya go! " help is actually resolving someone elses problem. and i hardly think that a software request is a problem. For those certain individuals that i've seen on this site actuall make a signifigant contribution to help others that are in need, when they've hit me up for software, i've always hooked them up, but for the ones that "hit & run" and have not had anything to offer to date, i dont give them anything. (and i stress give). its not like im going to be seeing these people on what you call the schoolgrounds anytime soon and i dont really care how many people have the same software i have. i do feel that some deserve it and some dont , based on their merit. simply googling guitar hero III and finding a thread in this forum, finding out that there is a guitar hero III for the mobile phone and then requesting it is not contributing anything in any way. ( BTW i've been with this forum since nov of 2006 and have had a smartphone since WM2003 so i dont know where you are getting your 10 months ago figure)
Nah, dude, that wasn't meant as a slight to you. I can't disagree with anything you wrote. I'm fairly new here myself (though I've had a smartphone since I had WM2003 on my Samsung SCH-i600 with Verizon). I joined it because it's a relatively well-respected forum in the smartphone community and a place that everyone asking questions elsewhere is sent to.
The problem is this forum just lacks moderation and organization. Being new here, I feel sorry for people just showing up and having to dive through this mess. Yes, a lot of questions get repeated. But it's fiendishly easy to say "justfuckinggoogleit.com" to the point that over 80% of a user's posts reflect that..again, without giving any real help. It makes the community look bad as a whole. That's what pisses me off.
I think being called a leech kinda set me off, too, since there's nothing on my phone (except the ROM) that's not either bought-and-paid-for or freeware.
im not calling you specifically a leech. im calling the people with 2 posts, one being "hey, can you also send guitar hero to me too??", leeches. they are the same retards that post 400000 times "HELP! ZOMG!!! I FINALLY GOT THE ROM TO WORK BUT MY KEYBOARD LAYOUT IS MESSED UP". ya know what i think of that? **** YOU AND YOUR KEYBOARD. if you are too stupid to read or use the SEARCH function (not google), then you are too stupid to use a phone like this. i realize that most are just lazy and are above searching for the answer or reading a few pages..to them i also have a heart felt **** you.
if someone has 50 or 100 posts and asks a silly question, i will gladly provide the answer if i know it. but the guy with 2 posts in 6 months can go find it himself.
when your first reaction to an issue you have with your phone is to post it in a new thread....you dont deserve help. how about doing some of the legwork yourself instead of posting "i NEED a step by step set of instructions blah blah blah". what you NEED is a kick in the nuts.
and if you really feel that by us saying "go do a search the topic has been discussed 4500000 times" makes the community look bad.....how does the community look when you have a bunch of posts by people with 2 post to date, asking all the same questions as eachother? i think its retarded that some senior users actually have to use their signatures to list step by step instructions for some of the most talked about topics, just so they dont have to type it for the 10000th time. hows that make our community look? makes it look like there are a handful of people that know what they are doing and it makes the rest look like a buncha n00b tards that are leading eachother down the stupid trail.
SO damn true!!! On that note LMFAO LMFAO LMFAO LMFAO
Dont worry gixxum , in all kind of forums there are newbie that made all kind of Questions, there are other that helps to this newbie and there are other how you that say **** to this newbie, it is normal, there are everything in this world.
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Dont worry gixxum , in all kind of forums there are newbie that made all kind of Questions, there are other that helps to this newbie and there are other how you that say **** to this newbie, it is normal, there are everything in this world.
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at the risk of sounding rude.... what?
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SO damn true!!! On that note LMFAO LMFAO LMFAO LMFAO
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FOR ALL THE NOOBS: IF YOU HAVE ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS, OR JUST WANNA TALK ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS, PM MIKEY1022
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FOR ALL THE NOOBS: IF YOU HAVE ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS, OR JUST WANNA TALK ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS, PM MIKEY1022
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Don't go there....AGAIN!!! lol
This seems like De Ja Vue
I only hope that you helps me when and make a Question and you know the answer because i have in 1 month more than 50 post.
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if someone has 50 or 100 posts and asks a silly question, i will gladly provide the answer if i know it. but the guy with 2 posts in 6 months can go find it himself.
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Sorry to waste a thread but I guess I have a point here:
Coming from Hermes and then Kasier communities (and flashing hundreds of SPL/Radio/Rom on my Hermes & Kaiser for many months) I thought that at least I am able to upgrade HardSpl or Radio or Rom on any PDA.
Now I've got my Diamond and entering the Diamond Rom dev I feel as if I've entered a new website.
What's going on here ? Chefs and developers have teamed up together and are divided into various groups competing with each other. Diamond rom dev is not having the cooperative feeling of Kaisr community at all.
There's no unified (bipartisan) thread for HardSpl. Each group is saying that our HardSpl is the best.
I understand that different ROM developers make different roms. But what about HardSpl and Radio ?
ROM threads are turned to Stickys???
Isn't it something new to this community?
Even HardSPl threads (directly or indirectly) direct us to certain ROM dev teams.
Am I the only person confused here ?
What happened to the bipartisan Moderators ABOVE rom chefs ?
In fact, as far as I can see, Chefs have become Mods and this weakens the unified and bipartisan feel we used to see in Hermes or Kaiser ...etc. communities and throughout the entire xda forum.
Is it only me ? Are there any other confused members noticing that Diamond ROM Dev is taking an unusual direction?
I don't know how it was before, but i agree with you. Rom teams are popping like mushrooms and the threads keep getting bigger and bigger. For a newbie like mee i needed a couple of days just to read in to everything because of the lack of clearnes.
If the Rom Chefs just worked together and share idea's than this would be just great. Then it's also easier to make different languages. Now it salmost all the time WWE en nothing more because if someone wants to do that, they loose the competition of the fastest release.
Also the topic starts can be clearer. Enormous pictures, lettersize 18, etc.... does not help. I think there are some moderators needed here that restore order and are not Rom Chefs
you are right
i am "just" a junior member, but if you check my account you can see i am here for a "longer" time.
so..
i came here from ARTEMIS threads and i feel the same as you but i did not want to mention it as a "junior member"
Old, well known, clever and cool guys went mad here in this section..
i am not sure why.
it "threatens me" a little bit, makes a pressure on me (sorry for poor english, i hope you can understand me.) i feel a little bit unconfortable. something like that.
This is why i made an own ROM based on STOCKs (thanks for HardSPL, for everybody who dumped the ROMs, etc..) and useing tweakapps.
(i don't want to use names....):
As i can see the guys who are makeing the tweaking apps are ok, but some of the guys who are cooking the ROMs has changed in this section.
anyway: ALL RESPECT for those who make DIAMOND better!!!!
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I don't know how it was before, but i agree with you. Rom teams are popping like mushrooms and the threads keep getting bigger and bigger. For a newbie like mee i needed a couple of days just to read in to everything because of the lack of clearnes.
If the Rom Chefs just worked together and share idea's than this would be just great. Then it's also easier to make different languages. Now it salmost all the time WWE en nothing more because if someone wants to do that, they loose the competition of the fastest release.
Also the topic starts can be clearer. Enormous pictures, lettersize 18, etc.... does not help. I think there are some moderators needed here that restore order and are not Rom Chefs
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I'm afraid my point was not about lack of multilanguage roms ...etc.
I do NOT even want chefs to work together and make a brilliant rom for ME. The beauty of any Free Society is in its competition , diversity and plurality.
My point was something else - well I guess i mentioned it in my post
Yea I agree . I have been on these forums a while and this is a bit messy and I guess very daunting if you are a newbie.
1) Please Sticky the ROM Threads
2) Please sticky the RADIO Threads
3) Please Sticky the SPL Threads
Oh and please, please, please, lets start pulling our resources together . I love to try out all the ROMS and if we share our knowledge aren't we in a better position to get what we al want . The Pefect ROM !!
I know I'll probably get shot down in flames for this and my software dev knowledge you can right on a postage stamp but I do know about winning teams.
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You are not alone.
I Agree...
absolutely agree.
personally i'd like to see one thread of hard-spls instead of 4 haha.. its quite cluttered..
Hear die well
You got another yes behind your remarks- Said but true.
I started with XDA Trion - Moved to TytnII and was pretty happy with the set directions- Mod support -bashing of newbies (myself included).
The Diamond ROM forum is "different":
- Not enough Mod's to have a closer look on garbage posted (Oliver- Mark...you do have my PM's )
- A lot of Newcomer's on the Diamond- a lot of reduntant threads.
- INDEED, confusing HardSPL - ROM signed vs. non signed messages. Pointed out the (smallest) finger to the Chefs already - But hey, we need them! So let's not complain - Competition is not bad bewtween them.
I called it already the "War of the Chefs" in a thread , so let us benefit of it though....---> TOO MANY Roms with mostly spin-off's of one build
I saw a message on BePe's thread from a guy asking for less ROM's but Final ones with bug's sorted out. For sure, no one is forced to Flash anyway, but it just fill's the thread's with 100.000.000 time WOW -Downloading now ! etc.
I believe that it is our duty as older dweilers to support the chefs in terms of newcomers direction set-up. They cook, we taste, we give feedback - advice and we don't ask for too much, cause it is free.
Anyway, again, I follow your reasoning and do hope first of all to see better Mod support on the Diamond forum. I know the guys are under-manned, so they should maybe look into a few new mod's (my time zone is very favorable to clean dirt between Australia and Birmingham - tip)
Cheerio
I do believe that we are only at the beginning of a Forum which will grow a LOT seeing the possibilites the Diamond can offer.
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agreed. i started with Artemis, then TYTNII, now Diamond... and i have to say the Diamond part of the forums is a whole new beast
too many roms, so little time, are people forgetting that they purchased their devices so they can be used... its turning out that they are just being flashed constantly on a daily basis.
back in the hermes days, when roms were developed, updated roms would generally be released on a monthly basis after feedback was collected from peoples experiences with the current rom.
i still peek over here now and then to see whats up and it is a bit of a mess.
well, if the diamond forum is a mess, the touch pro will even be worse once wm7 beta is avail for it.
btw. im waiting for the touch pro and will be developing roms for it, but not wm6.1 roms as the kernel and OS itself is a pos.
I think the problem is the lack of structure. It's hard to tell which rom is new from which dev group. Everything is mixed up. A couple of rom devs started to put the date in front of a post with a new rom. I think that's the first step in the good direction.
Hmmm....
Listening........!
where are the mods
we need someone to tidy the forum up
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You got another yes behind your remarks- Said but true.
- INDEED, confusing HardSPL - ROM signed vs. non signed messages. Pointed out the (smallest) finger to the Chefs already
I believe that it is our duty as older dweilers to support the chefs in terms of newcomers direction set-up. They cook, we taste, we give feedback -
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haven't we been doing this in Kaiser & other communities ? just look how attentively we (as a little bit more senior members) try to reply and solve brand-new n00bs in other threads.
this thread is different. how can i help a n00b when i myself am too confused what HardSpl to flash ?
this seems to be the beginnig of a commercial rom movement. it's not mentioned directly anywhere, but throught the whole thread I can hear this loud & clear :
We left things complicated , jumbled and unclear so that if you want to know what the whole thing is about , you pay for it.
I tried to seach "How to Hard Reset Diamond" for an hour. couldn't find anything. it's my personal feeling : it's beginning to get commercial.
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personally i'd like to see one thread of hard-spls instead of 4 haha.. its quite cluttered..
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everybody like to see that. But don't you think there's a reason behind this confusion?
Unlike all the other threads, there's an apparent lack of Authoritative Voice in diamond thread.
i coul'dnt agree more, this forum so so messed up.
Even DEV-teams has split an releasing roms as team members of that dev-team, and another member of that team is filling that thread with content...WHUUUTT, i cant explain it properly so hard is it to understand.
I think we need mods to take control and tidy things up a bit.
My vision of the ideal Diamond forum
Sticky:
- SPL's(soft, hard), just one, not a dev and a signed.(al spl's work great so why have many of them)
- Radio's(thread starter sums them up in order of release date and build number)
- Rulez of engagement for everyone who want to post here
Rest:
- For each rom dev team(or single person) one thread with rom info and downloads and the thread title started with a date.
- For questions and such, search first and then ask(NOOBS)
Ill inform some mods here.
gr
If you've ever been in Kaiser's forum then you'll know what's the diff between many versions of SPL. I dont' see why it has to be one SPL only if others make some differences. JockyW2001 knows better. He's been cracking and modifying SPL versions for Kaisers' users. It doesn't mean that Oli is not a good developer. He's the one who started it. Only that now we have our options. It's not their fault if noobs get into trouble trying to understand all of the purposes.Do you know why? Laziness is not tolerable. Lazy to read...Lazy to search...bla..bla..bla...
Yeah! I like this forum clean but not to the extend of " You should not develope any alternative for us! We already have one here!" Now, go to Kaiser Forum and read. Go to Hermes forum and read. Go to other forums and read. This is XDA-Developers Site
Sorry, I said what I want to say.
Cyphol.
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where are the mods
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No-one has reported that it is needed.
I am willing to do the job, but I do not have a Diamond and will need some input as to what should be deleted, kept, stickied or whatever the case may be.
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No-one has reported that it is needed.
I am willing to do the job, but I do not have a Diamond and will need some input as to what should be deleted, kept, stickied or whatever the case may be.
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Maybe a good topic to discuss "downstairs" first..
Isn't there a dedicated mod for the diamond-forums?
Or aren't there dedicated mods for the forums?
i am getting my self a htc desire but i have been a user of windows mobile software's for ever and i love it.
would i be able to still use some of the software's that i have on hand??
I would appriciate if you could email me your replies on this subject to
[email protected]
Thank you in advance
From what Ive seen on here from when other people have posted this question hes gonna get a lot of hate emails lol.
LOL, what a redicilous question!! Android FTW!
i'd wager it's possible if you can find a few dedicated people to support your cause.
Oh, and btw, bwahahahahahahahahahaha
And that's coming from someone who's had 4 WinMo devices in a row before a desire.
Since the specs are similar It might not be that difficult for people to get together etc..
But, If you can, try the desire and the HD2 and see which you prefer. After owning winmo before, and coming within inches of owning a HD2 and then trying a desire - linux is so much better at the user experience. The fluidity, ease of use and speed at which things are accessed is far better than the winmo 6.1 and 6.5 I have used before. The OS is very intuitive. I bet you could give this phone to a 6 yr old and they would within a short time frame be using this better than the general user. I might try this.
I'm just very happy that the phone doesnt stress me out trying to use it like winmo did. writing txts and swapping between functions is quick. Very cool.
It's not "Is it possible?" it's "Why bother?"
I hate "flame" conversation. But WHY bother? If you want snapdragon with WM then HD2 is your device. I have 10years of history with windows mobile devices from Cassiopeia A-11 with Windows CE, thru WM2003, 05, 06 and 6.5. And I can say after month with HTC Desire, every possible app is already for android and it runs faster and looks better. Except professional apps used in parcel delivery and stock monitoring (only question of time).
Don´t worry you´ll do just fine.
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The OS is very intuitive. I bet you could give this phone to a 6 yr old and they would within a short time frame be using this better than the general user. I might try this.
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A six year old might be fine, the missus still struggles...
I, myself, am a fully fledged Android convert. Previously, my favourite devices were all WinMobile (Never liked Symbian much). I took a leap of faith and got my Desire on a bit of a whim (and a LOT of research) and I can honestly say I love Android to bits, it's easily the best Phone/Phone OS I've ever used so I'm on everyone in this forum's side when it comes to Android vs. WinMobile.
But I still have to say, I see nothing wrong with what the OP is asking. If someone released a port of Windows Mobile 6.5 or 7 for the Desire, I'd probably try it out myself, even for just a giggle. I know I'd go back to android probably within a few hours, but that's not the point, it's fun to play with stuff like that.
The fact that the guy has picked the Desire over the likes of the HD2 tells me that he's made his choice with Android and just wants to keep his options open - and what's wrong with that? This is exactly the kind of thing that XDA dev was designed for. Hell, my dream would be to have an OS choice at bootup, imagine being able to pick between your favourite custom ROMs, a stock ROM and even a WinMo ROM? That would be pretty epic and I don't think anyone would complain that it was a "Waste of time". So go easy on the guy, it's not all that stupid a question.
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So go easy on the guy, it's not all that stupid a question.
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It is a stupid question when it gets asked week in week out.
A simple search would've revealed this - I just searched "Windows Mobile" and found 5 threads asking the same question.
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Which just means there's a fair amount of interest in it, making it even less of a stupid question. Rather than flame the guy, just ask him nicely to use search in future and point him to one of the threads.
Personally, I don't think the ignorance of the search bar is any worse than those who flame people for asking "stupid questions".
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Which just means there's a fair amount of interest in it, making it even less of a stupid question.
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No, it just means that the poster(s) can't be bothered to read the forum rules!
1. Search before posting
Use one of our search functions before posting, whether you have a question or something new to share, it's very likely someone already asked that question or shared that news.
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Note - it's rule 1!
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foxmeister said:
No, it just means that the poster(s) can't be bothered to read the forum rules!
Note - it's rule 1!
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Exactly - and the point I'm trying to make is that Rule #2 applies just as much as Rule 1!
2. Be polite and respect your fellow xda-dev user.
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Exactly - and the point I'm trying to make is that Rule #2 applies just as much as Rule 1!
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You clearly haven't been here long if you think what's been said on this thread constitutes a flame - this is so tame it wouldn't even register on a mod's radar!
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Why bother buying a Desire and ask for a WinMo porting? just buy an HD Mini or an HD2.
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You clearly haven't been here long if you think what's been said on this thread constitutes a flame - this is so tame it wouldn't even register on a mod's radar!
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I wouldn't say flaming, just wasn't terribly polite. Sure, the guy could have and should have used the search engine ,that's fair enough, but all the "Lols, why bother, android is teh win, winmo is teh suck!" style comments weren't helpful, informative or necessary at all.
I'm sorry, but if you don't believe this is a stupid question I would strongly question your intelligence. Is there some problem picking up a Windows Mobile? Are they rare enough that such a strange request would come up again and again? It's silly because for those that WANT a WM phone, one is easily acquired. It's like asking if there's a way to turn my XBOX into a PS3 because I don't like XBOX games...then I'm a fool for buying one! Just because there are a lot of silly people does not render their silliness valid.
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I'm sorry, but if you don't believe this is a stupid question I would strongly question your intelligence. Is there some problem picking up a Windows Mobile? Are they rare enough that such a strange request would come up again and again? It's silly because for those that WANT a WM phone, one is easily acquired. It's like asking if there's a way to turn my XBOX into a PS3 because I don't like XBOX games...then I'm a fool for buying one! Just because there are a lot of silly people does not render their silliness valid.
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See, this is exactly my point. Here's a reply that, within the first line, attempts to insult. Why do that? It doesn't help and all you'll do is drag out this thread much more than it needs to be. Does this "stupid question" bother you that much? Then don't reply! Ignore it and it'll go away.
Anyway, upon further inspection, it's actually not that stupid inquestion. Despite the knee-jerk reaction we all got from the title, if you read his post carefully, he's actually asking if there's any way he can run some of his windows mobile programs on the Desire. Not the full OS, just some of the programs. Sure, this is obviously a big "no", but is it really that stupid a question? We have emulators for plenty of other devices and anyone not that familliar with Android might not know that it's a completely different OS, or that it's completely incompatible. He's clearly a newbie, so go easy.
All I'm really saying is, if this kind of thing bothers you, drop the attitude and juse ignore it.
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See, this is exactly my point. Here's a reply that, within the first line, attempts to insult. Why do that?
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Because, judging from the amount of times I seen this patently ridiculous request, the polite helpful tone doesn't seem to work.
Sure, this is obviously a big "no", but is it really that stupid a question?
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Yes frankly. It doesn't strike you as silly? you don't think the ability to run WM apps or some sort of virtualisation on Android might have made big waves by now? No? Really?
I would say if the attitude bothers you, YOU ignore it.
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Why bother buying a Desire and ask for a WinMo porting? just buy an HD Mini or an HD2.
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Maybe it's because the Desire has more RAM that the HD2 and HD Mini, why can't someone just port winmo on a desire and shut people up thats asking for it too be ported..... surely its not that hard to port it over.....
"Maybe its just to hard for XDA Developers or anonymous developers on this forum to port it over.... ah well soo much for theres skills....
It serisouly serisouly can't be that hard.... if Android can be ported on a winmo mobile, why is it soo hard to port winmo on a Android phone thats 100% capable of running the O/S.
Please will someone just port it over to the Desire soo there will not be any more future threads of if it can be ported over.....
Maybe some people don't like Android and prefer winmo O/S because of there purchased apps maybe.
Please don't go mocking me saying "omg why would anyone wan't to do that.... Android is the best because its open source etc....