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http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?xdadevs
Done !
Even if i run with the official orange Rom (because i'm scared of ROM update !), i support this petition !
What to do to avoid persons "cooking" their own ROMS ???
Release a GOOD ROBUST ROM, with fine tuning...
I must wait for about one minute, each time i soft reset my device...
Is it a optimized ROM ???
I signed. I haven't updated because there isn't one for my PPC, but I support anyone's right to do with their property what they wish.
I just did so too...
me too. petition FTW!
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I read about petition on a thread then couldn't find where to sign. Found it now but maybe links should be posted in more places for more people to see.
Keep up the good work. This site is excellent.
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Signed,
I don't see microsoft's problem though, the images are free from the providers, the device includes a license to run windows mobile on it, installing a new image displaces the old image, so it's still one license, one copy of WM on the device...
How is running a copy of windows mobile on a licensed device against MS?
By their rationale though, if I installed XP on my machine, from a friend's CD, but used my key, is it legal? from what MS are intimating here, no, yet I am using the license I own on My machine...
Bears thinking about really...
I don't understand
Very strange...
First the Palm vs. Pocket PC debate. Then the Palm / PPC / RIM-BB argument. Soon to come the PPC vs. iPhone. Microsoft is always trying to expand markets and displace other technologies. You would think that this momentum would help them, right?
Suddenly, a group of dedicated people bring a long delayed upgrade to our devices without any obvious or flagrant licensing violation (unless the next step is to charge us all for the OS upgrade for the devices we have already licensed), and Microsoft reaction is to try to shut it down?
Perhaps they are planning to buy RIM and want us all to move to Blackberries. At least I wont have to reboot once a day....
Signed...!!!!
Lets hope Micro$oft see sense and not just a chance of screwing someone for $$$$$$$$$$$
Though I am sad as well and personally endorse the use of cooked roms, I can understand Microsoft's point of view:
1) HTC devices are locked to one of the OEM manufactures, i.e. T-Mobile (MDA), Qtek, iMate, etc. The upgrades only work on the correct OEM-brand.
2) OEM manufacturers have to PURCHASE the updates from Microsoft.
3) OEM manufacturers may or may not decide to release (buy and give it for free or for a fee) to it's customers.
The way XDA-Developers provided all the rom's with the necessary tool to allow the installation of any rom-flavour to any OEM version would basically cause:
1) That OEM manufacturer A would pay MS for the upgrade and all other OEM manufacturers would benefit from it for free.
2) MS to be in a difficult position to be able to charge for the upgrades.
3) A considerable amount of broken devices which would have to be repaired (flashed) for free, as it would be difficult or expensive to prove that the cause is due to the use of improper ROM's or improper procedures to upgrade.
The final argument to the question "why doesn't MS provide the ROM's for free, as the current ones have bugs?":
1) All programs/OS have bugs.
2) It is normal to pay for upgrades.
3) MS needs to pay it's developers and is a company that aims profit.
The only valid question would be, in my opinion: "why doesn't MS sell upgrades to end-users?".
Please don't get me wrong: I have nothing to do with MS and hate the current situation as anyone else. I just hate to always read "MS sucks, everything should be free, etc.".
If you use ilegal ROM's, that's fine with me. But at least UNDERSTAND that they are ilegal!!!
I think it would be best to just use upload servers, instead of having an FTP server. One always will find the necessary files - what's really important about XDA-Developers is the KNOWLEDGE. It would be a shame to have the whole site shut down because of copyright infringements caused by some ROM's.
Cheers,
vma
Done! I support what Crash Override mentioned. And after all, I've purchased a Windows Mobile phone not from a Network provider, but SIM FREE .. It was sold to me with a license to use Windows mobile 5 ... which never mentions the version. Just like PC's Windows licenses. Anyway - I hope they realise soon that people would buy more Windows Mobile phones if they had more freedom to do with them what they want afterwards.
If not the flexibility, there are other great phones on the market, which aren't flexible at all - but have stable and well designed OS's.
So Mr. Gates Your vision in the 80's started well with trying to put Windows in every house. Now you are going for the mobiles - which is great, but don't restrict your users more than necessary or you will start loosing them. The more people can play with these phones, the more they will want them!
http://www.touchxperience.com/
I think everyone should read, but if you're too lazy
Windows Phone Device Manager allows you to manage your Windows Phone 7 device from your PC, you can simply view, install and uninstall "sideloaded" applications, explore device, transfer and sync files,... It is compatible with all Windows Phone 7 devices.
Windows Phone Device Manager detects when the phone is connected or disconnected, if you don't have a registered developer device it can automatically unlock your phone, so you don't need ChevronWP7 anymore.
You can also connect to your phone via Wi-Fi, for example to transfer files from/to your phone using Windows Phone Device Manager or the provided Windows Phone application.
If Windows Phone Device Manager becomes popular I think about creating an open marketplace for non-commercial applications. Developers are welcome to join the project!
A first version will be released in the next few days.
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THIS IS AMAZING. Discuss
want want want
This would be perfect!!
because im to lazy to use chevronwp7 every time i sync, i know about going to airport mode, but thats just more work than using the chevronwp7 unlock.
want want want maybe need!
+1
i'm glad i held out purchasing my phone just so i won't spend the first few months tearing my hair out trying to do what this program can do now
Good way to enable easy loading of pirated applications.
Hold up... is this the new version of WMDC we all used for WinMo 6.x devices or some 3rd party thing?
efjay said:
Good way to enable easy loading of pirated applications.
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which pirated apps ? have you ever seen any ?
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Good way to enable easy loading of pirated applications.
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I am tired of people saying stuff like this. If you're against continuing development of the platform, then why are you here?
Would the USB File Transfer still require Zune on the PC?
cutegigi said:
which pirated apps ? have you ever seen any ?
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yes but im not saying, just thats its already happend.
for other people who complain. there will always be someone doing that. so get over it. unless u have a way to stop it. dont complain, it doesnt help much.
id much rather be able to have some fun with my phone via home-brew that never be able to just because of some people who feel the need to lock it down completely. its gonnnnnnna happen. so embrace home-brew or get off xda
You guys really need to relax when telling people to get off a site because they don't agree with you... Have you thought that maybe this might be a BAD thing for the platform? A way to hinder the growth of the actual marketplace? A way to open up negative avenues of distribution for the platform? XDA is a forum of discussion. At no point did he say he wants to stifle the growth of the platform, he simply stated the obvious. And yes, I also agree that this will lead to pirated apps, less apps in the marketplace due to an 'easier' avenue of distribution. Either way, I for one won't be using anything like this as I want to commercially support this OS.
I really don't see the need to create a separation between the userbase by making comments as those though. Input is always a good thing, it creates for a more balanced environment. Unfortunately, as great as something like this theoretically sounds, I see it having negative impact, and also creating more confusion for new users as well. For documents, I'm going to continue utilizing the 'cloud' even with it's unfinished functionality... And for apps... if it isn't in the marketplace, or can't get there, I really don't see a need for it.
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At no point did he say he wants to stifle the growth of the platform, he simply stated the obvious.
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good point.
still, out of all phones i have ever used. people have been alot harder on wp7 and piracy. I understand that its because Microsoft needs better security for the apps on its marketplace, but its no reason to completely ban everything, microsoft will fix the security (or maybe not, there was practacly none on wm, this is still an improvement)
xaps need to get on the phone, people are always going to pirate, and people are always going to buy. but simply because a developer is making it easier for non developers to have a little fun with there phones. I would never pay the 99 annual fee to Microsoft because i don't actually want to distribute any apps. this does not automatically mean that im going to be using pirated apps, part of being an early adopter i want the phone to grow and developers on the market to make great apps, and ill support them, im literally obsessed with playing with my phone.but poor Microsoft, they already made there sale when i bought my phone. i own it, they do not, so i will do whatever i want with it unlocked, and being a non coder or hacker, i depend on the developers that release these tools. so saying its going to help piracy is ridiculous and mildly offensive to me (I said mildly, ill turn off my computer and not think about it again most likely). its like saying "Kitchen knifes are going to make it easier to kill people". while yes, its very true and it happens, people casually killing people with kitchen knives have deeper issues than simply picking it up and doing something wrong with it.
so my point is its like that with EVERY digital medium. there is no real way to stop piracy with only complaining or pointing out the obvious. im not asking people to be ignorant about piracy, im asking people to be more considerate of the people who use these tools for less illegal activity's with the property the rightfully own
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What you need to remember is that you're one user in millions...
Now, my biggest issue with this is that in order for this platform to succeed, the marketplace needs to succeed, greatly. Allowing developers to sidestep the real marketplace to utilize a 'sideload' one is going to hinder the platform. The average user doesn't give a crap about most of the stuff we talk about, but they're going to miss out on the apps they wouldn't have otherwise. We need everything released on this platform to go through the marketplace to reach the real users of this OS, which obviously isn't targeted at the .004% on XDA... Sorry, but that's a reality. XDA is filled some of the most selfish people on the planet, really, and you'll see it if you go through most of the topics. It's always about what that one user wants, never what's best for the situation as a whole, whether it be a custom ROM, an android launcher, or an OS.
Sorry, but this isn't the iPhone, and I can't see WinPhone doing nearly as well competing with a second, underground market. And that's what most of you don't understand. Sure, this is going to give the OS another couple thousand sales from the users on this forum, but it might cost them millions in the real world... But you thousand users, with all your brilliant minds, need to develop for the platform as it is, instead of trying to compete with it...
The average user doesn't give a crap about most of the stuff we talk about, is true, they also wont bother with the sideloaded stuff probably. but they might, honestly. being able to do things you cant do on the marketplace is not going to hinder, and honestly. most people dont pirate apps, some do yes.
anyways. the only way is to wait and see what happens. we both have strong opposed ideas on whats constructive-destructive.
you can only hope your wrong, because its going to happen regardless, that you cant argue. I just choose to feel more optimistic about it cuz i dont want to buy another new phone if wp7 turns into a blackberry/palm/nokia
Does anyone know if this Device Manager will allow loading up custom ring- and message-tones onto your device? (without using a homebrew app or that?).
In other words; does it grant acces to the respective directories on the phone to put some files in there?
FiyaFleye said:
What you need to remember is that you're one user in millions...
Now, my biggest issue with this is that in order for this platform to succeed, the marketplace needs to succeed, greatly. Allowing developers to sidestep the real marketplace to utilize a 'sideload' one is going to hinder the platform. The average user doesn't give a crap about most of the stuff we talk about, but they're going to miss out on the apps they wouldn't have otherwise. We need everything released on this platform to go through the marketplace to reach the real users of this OS, which obviously isn't targeted at the .004% on XDA... Sorry, but that's a reality. XDA is filled some of the most selfish people on the planet, really, and you'll see it if you go through most of the topics. It's always about what that one user wants, never what's best for the situation as a whole, whether it be a custom ROM, an android launcher, or an OS.
Sorry, but this isn't the iPhone, and I can't see WinPhone doing nearly as well competing with a second, underground market. And that's what most of you don't understand. Sure, this is going to give the OS another couple thousand sales from the users on this forum, but it might cost them millions in the real world... But you thousand users, with all your brilliant minds, need to develop for the platform as it is, instead of trying to compete with it...
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actually I want a homebrew marketplace because microsoft policy. Let's be realistic most app platforms have it and for good reason. The hacks we do are illegal and won't be accepted by any healthy app marketplace. So why go through the crap with microsoft?
I've said it before on this forum and I dont want to sound like a broken record, but the iPhone jailbreaking system would work great on WP7.
Cydia - the iPhone homebrew marketplace - is a truly fantastic repository of apps, code, tweaks and fixes that would never be officially supported by Apple or allowed in the App Store. It also doesn't host or encouraged cracked apps, and as far as I know it's not a major problem on that platform.
I think it's possible to want healthy developer revenues and strict guidelines from the marketplace and at the same time a large homebrew community. Best of both worlds - Microsoft gets to keep standards high and people get to go as deep as they want with the unofficial stuff.
It'll take time, though. And I don't really think it matters if MS supports it - Apple is vehemently against jailbreaking and it's still going strong.
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I've said it before on this forum and I dont want to sound like a broken record, but the iPhone jailbreaking system would work great on WP7.
Cydia - the iPhone homebrew marketplace - is a truly fantastic repository of apps, code, tweaks and fixes that would never be officially supported by Apple or allowed in the App Store. It also doesn't host or encouraged cracked apps, and as far as I know it's not a major problem on that platform.
I think it's possible to want healthy developer revenues and strict guidelines from the marketplace and at the same time a large homebrew community. Best of both worlds - Microsoft gets to keep standards high and people get to go as deep as they want with the unofficial stuff.
It'll take time, though. And I don't really think it matters if MS supports it - Apple is vehemently against jailbreaking and it's still going strong.
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the only thing we need to figure out is app deploying on mobile phone minus a computer and I think a homebrew store would be good
but then what to name it hactivate? nah
munder? (nah) meh well I wish I could do it actually - make the homebrew app store
domineus said:
actually I want a homebrew marketplace because microsoft policy. Let's be realistic most app platforms have it and for good reason. The hacks we do are illegal and won't be accepted by any healthy app marketplace. So why go through the crap with microsoft?
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Again, you're speaking as a member of this community. 95% of the users out there don't even know this community exists. If apps make it to the 'homebrew marketplace' they most likely won't make it to the real marketplace. I'm sure it'll much easier to launch a free app on a homebrew market than going through the submission process at Microsoft. This is going to damage the phone's marketplace and hurt this phone.
zukа said:
I've said it before on this forum and I dont want to sound like a broken record, but the iPhone jailbreaking system would work great on WP7.
Cydia - the iPhone homebrew marketplace - is a truly fantastic repository of apps, code, tweaks and fixes that would never be officially supported by Apple or allowed in the App Store. It also doesn't host or encouraged cracked apps, and as far as I know it's not a major problem on that platform.
I think it's possible to want healthy developer revenues and strict guidelines from the marketplace and at the same time a large homebrew community. Best of both worlds - Microsoft gets to keep standards high and people get to go as deep as they want with the unofficial stuff.
It'll take time, though. And I don't really think it matters if MS supports it - Apple is vehemently against jailbreaking and it's still going strong.
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WP7 isn't the iPhone. Cydia is successful because Apple, not just the iPhone, has a much stronger, loyal user base. The iPhone could get one app a month and still be considered the greatest thing on the planet. Unfortunately, however much better it is, WP7 isn't to that level, and iPhone has been there since launch.
FiyaFleye said:
What you need to remember is that you're one user in millions...
Now, my biggest issue with this is that in order for this platform to succeed, the marketplace needs to succeed, greatly. Allowing developers to sidestep the real marketplace to utilize a 'sideload' one is going to hinder the platform. The average user doesn't give a crap about most of the stuff we talk about, but they're going to miss out on the apps they wouldn't have otherwise. We need everything released on this platform to go through the marketplace to reach the real users of this OS, which obviously isn't targeted at the .004% on XDA... Sorry, but that's a reality. XDA is filled some of the most selfish people on the planet, really, and you'll see it if you go through most of the topics. It's always about what that one user wants, never what's best for the situation as a whole, whether it be a custom ROM, an android launcher, or an OS.
Sorry, but this isn't the iPhone, and I can't see WinPhone doing nearly as well competing with a second, underground market. And that's what most of you don't understand. Sure, this is going to give the OS another couple thousand sales from the users on this forum, but it might cost them millions in the real world... But you thousand users, with all your brilliant minds, need to develop for the platform as it is, instead of trying to compete with it...
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You contradict yourself in a major way in this mini editorial. On one hand, you say XDA users are selfish and the general public doesn't need/want what we want but on the other hand, you're saying devs won't go through the MK because of us.
You're really not using your common sense if you think for one second that because a group users from ONE site sideloads (and not a large group at that), devs will not put their software in the Marketplace. The scenario cannot be both ways and it's borderline idiotic to think so.
Btw, you're really showing you're not too knowledgeable about the iPhone pirate scene. There is a HUGE underground market for iOS apps but yet, a lot of people don't even "jailbreak" their devices in the first place. It has not hurt or even dented their App Store. Why would you think WP7 would be any different?
Lastly, these brilliant minds aren't competing, they're improving. I guarantee the killer app that you will want will come from here and WON'T be allowed in the Marketplace, much like multitasking was allowed in Cydia WAY before iOS made it official.
It's people like you who are the problem, trying to stifle the innovation of devs on this site because you're worried about a company succeeding that you won't see a dime of money from.
BTW, WinMo 6.5 is still alive, thanks to XDA.
fb401 said:
You contradict yourself in a major way in this mini editorial. On one hand, you say XDA users are selfish and the general public doesn't need/want what we want but on the other hand, you're saying devs won't go through the MK because of us.
You're really not using your common sense if you think for one second that because a group users from ONE site sideloads (and not a large group at that), devs will not put their software in the Marketplace. The scenario cannot be both ways and it's borderline idiotic to think so.
Btw, you're really showing you're not too knowledgeable about the iPhone pirate scene. There is a HUGE underground market for iOS apps but yet, a lot of people don't even "jailbreak" their devices in the first place. It has not hurt or even dented their App Store. Why would you think WP7 would be any different?
Lastly, these brilliant minds aren't competing, they're improving. I guarantee the killer app that you will want will come from here and WON'T be allowed in the Marketplace, much like multitasking was allowed in Cydia WAY before iOS made it official.
It's people like you who are the problem, trying to stifle the innovation of devs on this site because you're worried about a company succeeding that you won't see a dime of money from.
BTW, WinMo 6.5 is still alive, thanks to XDA.
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summed up my thoughts perfectly.
Took the following quote from http://windowsphonehacker.com/thought_why_activating_your_htc_hd2_is_a_bad_idea-01-14-11.php
Thought: Why activating your HTC HD2 is a bad idea
Hacking normally involves some shady but normally legitimate mods to software to bring to light new functions in your device. In the previous Windows Mobile era, Microsoft leaned towards a policy of ignorance towards what developers did to their devices, which brought forth cooked ROMs, unofficial WM6.5 updates, etc. Today, with Windows Phone 7, the stance has changed.
The HTC HD2, once flashed to Windows Phone 7, will not be able to sync with any Windows Live account. This is similar to Windows activation on the desktop, which requires that the software phone home and register its software key. Since the HTC HD2 is not a Windows Phone 7 device, it is not shipped with a PVK, which means it cannot activate with Microsoft's services. When we first reported yesterday about the HD2 getting live services, we were slightly skewed as to what this actually involves.
After further research, we discovered this to be more of a social hack, a type of hack involving tricking clueless employees into thinking that HTC forgot to activate your device. This calls for reason #1 why activating your phone is a bad idea. By lying to Microsoft, you are basically committing a form of fraud to obtain a license key. We are not experts, and the laws vary from country to country, but keep in mind this is not your usual stealing MP3 type of crime-Microsoft gets your name, number, email address, and device information. If Microsoft wanted to enforce this, long story short, you're in trouble.
Of course, we realize that much of the internet is not concerned about breaking their country's laws, a fact we will not have any judgement on. The second reason why you shouldn't activate your HD2 is a little more concerning for some:
Just think. If Microsoft receives hundreds of calls in 24 hours with users claiming their "HD7s" were shipped without PVKs, they're going to catch on. In fact, when reading on XDA developers, a certain post seemed troubling. A certain user writes:
I called the same # about 30 min ago. She asked me what type of phone it was. I said "schubert" then she asked me what happened to my activation code. I told her they never gave me one when i bought the phone. Then she gave me the code. I think there catching on though. She was like " We sure are selling alot of these phones in the last 24h" There gonna catch on just like with the sd cards a while back. Definitely a red flag. They will probably start asking for the serial # of the phone in the near future.
Other users reported being directed to HTC for support, or having strange comments made by Microsoft representatives. The point is this: when you hack software, the software won't bite back. When you hack humans, someone's going to figure it out, and when they do, a lot is going down.
Of course, by now, Microsoft employees have probably read the news all over the internet, so we're interested in what stance Microsoft takes on the issue. There is no way to "purchase" a PVK, unfortunately, leaving this the only option to activate your HD2 and use the Marketplace. Whatever you do is up to you, but we give our warning: Don't get caught, Don't get Microsoft to backlash on everyone else.
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So my thoughts are thinking we were going to get an upgrade from Microsoft to take our HD2's from Win mobile 6.5 to 7. They were talking about a new os way back when the HD2 came out.
Great I thought, sold my TytynII paid T-Mobile £200.00 with an 18 month contract (Ouch). And guess what NO UPGRADE, instead HTC make HD7 using the same hardware with a different case(No access to SD card), just to keep MS off their backs and hey we'll throw in a little back stand to keep you happy.
What [email protected], It's not like I can go and buy a retail, OEM or Upgrade of the new OS. So if this means tricking Microsoft into giving me a license key. tough I'll sleep well tonight.
Glad to get this rant off my chest.
I honestly bought an hd7 and I dont remember having a microsoft key anywhere...and there were some users prior to the hd2 thing that couldn't access live =/
We all know there gonna catch up to this, but take advantage now and get your key meanwhile this all happens.
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I honestly bought an hd7 and I dont remember having a microsoft key anywhere...and there were some users prior to the hd2 thing that couldn't access live =/
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Every device that ships with WP7 should already be pre- or activated during the first setup, well WP7 is not being shipped with HD2, and you are basically exploiting MS activation service.
If you know of CyanogenMod Team Douche, they are basically cooking their own distribution of Android, in the earlier days they were packaging their release with Google apps, it didn't sit well with Google, and they had requested CM remove Google apps from their build tree. The reason is that every OEM who decides to issue a device running an Android flavor is getting the OS for free, but have to pay loyalty to include access to the Market.
With the recent developments around WP7 on HD2, one could easily see why MS might not be too happy about it. OEM's pay roughly $10 in licensing fees r per device to MS to put WP7 on their offerings, well HD2 now becomes a device that got it for free.
Seeing how quickly MS moved to shut down ChevronWP7 tools, and actually patching their OS in the next update to prevent unlocking with ChevronWP7 tools, they might incorporate counter measures to prevent HD2 devices running WP7 from access to their Live services, etc.
On the bright note, once it has been hacked it will only be a catch up game between MS and the enthusiasts - see Apple vs IPhone Dev Team.
good little article! i agree with it, not sure i agree with your opinion though.
Nah Cyanogen Mod wasn't in trouble for that. Google was just *****ing about source code sharing. Android is free, Google Apps just need approval.
Also they pay Microsoft $15 usd per license per phone.
vetvito said:
Nah Cyanogen Mod wasn't in trouble for that. Google was just *****ing about source code sharing. Android is free, Google Apps just need approval.
Also they pay Microsoft $15 usd per license per phone.
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agree, never heard of a loyal fee for the market..android is totally free...
MS do not help us upgrade to WP7,,then we do it ourselves...
whenever MS sell the activation code for let's say $30,,i would like to get one right away.
hacking the wp7 in hd2 should not affect the “Genuine” wp7 phone user (now we can say the keys are not unique to each phone.)
and the problem in the future would be the catch up game between MS and dft(?),, the situation could be more difficult than the one in IPHONE. (iphone sales is increasing. hd2 is almost out of shaves.)
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agree, never heard of a loyal fee for the market..android is totally free...
MS do not help us upgrade to WP7,,then we do it ourselves...
whenever MS sell the activation code for let's say $30,,i would like to get one right away.
hacking the wp7 in hd2 should not affect the “Genuine” wp7 phone user (now we can say the keys are not unique to each phone.)
and the problem in the future would be the catch up game between MS and dft(?),, the situation could be more difficult than the one in IPHONE. (iphone sales is increasing. hd2 is almost out of shaves.)
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Android as an OS is free, however to provide the Market access OEM's with carriers have to pay Google.
^ nah, just a myth. You just have to follow Google rules and be approved for the use of Google apps. Its free. Such as the device must be able to make and receive calls in order for it to be approved for the Google market app
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hacking the wp7 in hd2 should not affect the “Genuine” wp7 phone user (now we can say the keys are not unique to each phone.)
and the problem in the future would be the catch up game between MS and dft(?),, the situation could be more difficult than the one in IPHONE. (iphone sales is increasing. hd2 is almost out of shaves.)
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The hammer will come down hard on this one. People are basically screwing MS and HTC out of money.
Your screwing MS out of licensing fees and HTC out of new device sales.
I'm willing to bet MS is preparing to take action right now.
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^ nah, just a myth. You just have to follow Google rules and be approved for the use of Google apps. Its free. Such as the device must be able to make and receive calls in order for it to be approved for the Google market app
The hammer will come down hard on this one. People are basically screwing MS and HTC out of money.
Your screwing MS out of licensing fees and HTC out of new device sales.
I'm willing to bet MS is preparing to take action right now.
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ouch,,, i do not deny that there is no direct benefit for MS and HTC..
but when it comes to the advertisement or marketing.. we never know..
or would we hd2 users buy more app and music from marketplace?
or is it a big price gap between brand new hd2 and hd7?
..........
it really depend on how manufacturers think.
they don't need to worry about if another "hd2" case will come up,, this phone is real special one
I've been saying this since news broke of all of this.... I would not be surprised if Live accounts, this means your Xbox Gamertags, get indefinitely banned for this...
I'm looking for people who are experienced phone hackers to start a new community project; as an alternative to ChevronWP7, which no longer works on the 'NoDo' update, and it seems that the ChevronWP7 team was either sold out, or encountered legal trouble. The need for a new hacking team is clearly visible. We need an alternative to ChevronWP7! Anyone with me?
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I'm looking for people who are experienced phone hackers to start a new community project; as an alternative to ChevronWP7, which no longer works on the 'NoDo' update, and it seems that the ChevronWP7 team was either sold out, or encountered legal trouble. The need for a new hacking team is clearly visible. We need an alternative to ChevronWP7! Anyone with me?
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while the intent of the posting is good, in general the argument is lol
chevron was not bought out and as far as legal trouble goes, none of that. In fact, microsoft has taken a very positive stance on development and hacking - even going as far as speaking on ppcgeeks about it
domineus said:
while the intent of the posting is good, in general the argument is lol
chevron was not bought out and as far as legal trouble goes, none of that. In fact, microsoft has taken a very positive stance on development and hacking - even going as far as speaking on ppcgeeks about it
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True, but looking at this problem from a business stance; why would Microsoft want to allow homebrew development on their platform, and how do we know that they will honor their word? There hasn't been a single post from the ChevronWP7 team since January, and Microsoft hasn't mentioned a word about it since then either. How can we be sure that Microsoft hasn't used a "legal muscle", and settled the legal matters behind the scenes, while keeping it secret to the public?
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True, but looking at this problem from a business stance; why would Microsoft want to allow homebrew development on their platform, and how do we know that they will honor their word? There hasn't been a single post from the ChevronWP7 team since January, and Microsoft hasn't mentioned a word about it since then either. How can we be sure that Microsoft hasn't used a "legal muscle", and settled the legal matters behind the scenes, while keeping it secret to the public?
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as far as group chevron is still working
and I still talk to chris and rafael (less of him) on twitter frequently. Chevron team is not hard to find and generally pretty talkative and helpful. Microsoft seems to understand the power that homebrew does have on development and while we don't know specifically the plans of it, I think by not taking an apple, google, or sony stance, it will only benefit them.
As far as the conspiracy theory, chevron members are still working so don't worry
domineus said:
as far as group chevron is still working
and I still talk to chris and rafael (less of him) on twitter frequently. Chevron team is not hard to find and generally pretty talkative and helpful. Microsoft seems to understand the power that homebrew does have on development and while we don't know specifically the plans of it, I think by not taking an apple, google, or sony stance, it will only benefit them.
As far as the conspiracy theory, chevron members are still working so don't worry
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That's good to know
chevron has been compromised
sure microsoft plays nice, the best they can do is accept that such things as piracy and homebrew exist. and thats what they did.
i mean cmon, they gave them guys tshirts.
did they offer them jobs? why are these guys not working for the dev team already if they have not done something big and special.
as far as i know the chevron unlock was a rather simple hack.
they used the official developer unlock application
wiresharked the data which is send to and from ms when u unlock the phone.
they noticed that the unlock is done by some simple registry entry
you then spoof the ms dev server and send the reg strings to your phone.
and bang, phone was unlocked...
now i dont know how they got the certificate which is needed.
maybe we need a new one.
did anyone actually try to install the old certificate on the nodo ?
i just wonder, will the official developer unlock for $99 allow me to side-load apps? i really want them LG Apps back!
but hey, do you really think microsoft will allow homebrew or better said, side-loading?
you homebrew already with the sdk if you registered
and side-loading? will be called piracy sooner or later
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With all due respect, and they did break new ground, this application did not have the bugs worked out. Just read through the hundreds of posts on their site and you will find that half the posters had communications issues and could not unlock, and the devs do not appear to have a handle on the issues nor were they responsive to those issues. This app needs lots of work before it can be considered usable for the vast majority of people who would want to use it. Rework it completely would be my suggestion.
being realistic even users were having issues legitimately registering their devices with windows phone developer...even the sprint arrive has that same issue...
All you need to do is to find a new way to edit the registry keys. LG phones can do this natively. WP7 unlocks are by far the easiest of any device OS.
Well , I'm sorry to say this but I seriously feel that Chevron was/is a utter failure on the face of WP7 community.
As a WinPhone7 User I expected Chevron to
1. Unlock to install as many apps from Marketplace.
2. Unlock /Activate my Phone to enable it to use with Marketplace.
But at the end it turned out that,
He released it as a Subscription tool with payment, (Although I agree that the infrastructure to unlocking costed the developer).But selling up you service to Microsoft in turn spoiled the little meaning .
Atleast not making the process or idea behind the hack open source after going broke with the earlier idea really hampers or insults the xda team.
Learn from iOS hackers who released Cydia,Cinject,Redsnow,Absynth. you can find it opensourced and its legal.
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As a WinPhone7 User I expected Chevron to
1. Unlock to install as many apps from Marketplace.
2. Unlock /Activate my Phone to enable it to use with Marketplace.
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What are you talking about? You can install any Marketplace app but of course you should pay for the apps first!
Chevron was designed for developers, who are not students and can't afford $99 annual subscription (but definitely not for regular users who want to pirate and sideload apps).
P.S. BTW, it's completely wrong forum, you should "cry" in General, not in "Development and Hacking"
You are completely lost man. LOL
What the f** are you talking about?
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Chevron unlocking was intended for developers and not hacking or pirating software. The only reason Microsoft agreed to it was to try and get people that were on the fence or located in countries that the marketplace didn't support to start developing for WP. In that regard, it was a failure and shut down because people used the service for something it was never intended for.
shreedharcva said:
Well , I'm sorry to say this but I seriously feel that Chevron was/is a utter failure on the face of WP7 community.
As a WinPhone7 User I expected Chevron to
1. Unlock to install as many apps from Marketplace.
2. Unlock /Activate my Phone to enable it to use with Marketplace.
But at the end it turned out that,
He released it as a Subscription tool with payment, (Although I agree that the infrastructure to unlocking costed the developer).But selling up you service to Microsoft in turn spoiled the little meaning .
Atleast not making the process or idea behind the hack open source after going broke with the earlier idea really hampers or insults the xda team.
Learn from iOS hackers who released Cydia,Cinject,Redsnow,Absynth. you can find it opensourced and its legal.
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What phone do you have? Have you checked the forms to see if there is a custom rom avilable for your phone? I did and I found it; went and cancelled my stupid dev account right after that too.
Ren13B said:
Chevron unlocking was intended for developers and not hacking or pirating software. The only reason Microsoft agreed to it was to try and get people that were on the fence or located in countries that the marketplace didn't support to start developing for WP. In that regard, it was a failure and shut down because people used the service for something it was never intended for.
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Spot on.
If you were using Chevron simply so you could pirate apps, you're doing it wrong. As an RD mentioned above, what it was designed for and what it ended up being used for (in some cases) are two different things.
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