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Hi all,
I have been a winmob user for over 5 years and i know pretty much everything about them. (see join date) Though 3 days ago i got a a8183 desire.
My god i have a lot to learn about Android. Winmob seemed so much simplier to pick apart with registry and custom roms.
Anyways i have been reading thread after thread for days yet i still have a couple of questions that i cannot get clear answers for.
I have a a8183 telstra desire running on optus. I have updated to the latest offical 2.2 ROM. (Everyone mentions OTA (over the air) though i downloaded it and installed thru windows).
So i would appreciate if someone could help me out with my questions/assumptions.
1. From what i have read you cannot r00t a froyo OS. Is that right? Though i have found an app z4root that will do it temporarily until reboot. Unrevoked doesnt seem to work.
2. To change system files you need not only root though you need the clockworkmod recovery part of the bootloader. (eg. to replace HOST file for adblocking).
3. You need permanent r00t to install the clockworkmod (so i cannot do this).
4. You cannot remove default ROM apps from your phone without the clockworkmod.
5. You need clockworkmod to install custom ROMs.
So from what i gather.. r00t is good. though really only cause it gets you the clockworkmod recovery which is where you can really hack it.
And to get this i need to downgrade to 2.1, r00t, clockwork then use a hacked rom for 2.2?
Your help is greatly appreciated.

hi sage, i too came from windows mobile so i know how you feel, lucky for me i jumped on the android bandwagon earlier with the htc hero, after i got bored with my HD1, anyway your wrong on quite a few points, so i'll point you in the right direction.
1) the latest version of unrevoked (www.unrevoked.com/recovery) is more than able to root the froyo roms, its a one click app and can root your device in minutes
2) to easly modify system files you need s-off (this is equivalent to HSPL on wm devices) after you have rooted, you need to search for alpharev, this is a linux live cd, you just burn it and boot it and it will security unlock your device.
3) when you download and run unrevoked, it will not only root your device but insatall the latest version of clockworkmod recovery. (just hold vol down and power when your device is off to access hboot, and choose recovery from the list) so unrevoked kills 2 birds with one stone
4) to remove the apps in the /system/ partition there are 2 ways, from recovery using adb, or if you flash the s-off mod, you can remove them directly from your device using a file manager.
5) yes you need clockworkmod or another custom recovery to install custom roms, but now you know how to do it, thats not a problem

Hi Sage,
If you're looking for an easier way to get rid of all the Telstra apps (more like a blob of links really ) on your phone you may want to try one of the stock HTC WWE ROMs. It's clean and you can flash it via exe, just like in WM. The latest RUU I believe is the 2.29.405.2. Also, be aware of the risks of rooting your phone.

thanks for your response guys
Ok so i am now r00ted and running Leedroid's WWE ROM! (thank you!) it was actually pretty easy.
I think unrevoked was failing cause i was using a USB HUB.
OK so now i just want to remove some more of the default apps that come with it.
So i will try alpharev to security unlock my device. (is this permanent or if i reflash my rom it will come back?)
once i have done this i can then delete anything i like thru r00t explorer?
At this stage i am trying to just make some more room for apps. As a number of them wont move to SD Card.
A couple of last questions if i may. I have an new SD Card on order. Am i able to simply copy everything from my existing SD to my new and then swap it over in my phone and it will all be ok? Or do i need 'clone' it with some tool?
Where in the system paths do i remove 'shortcuts' within all apps? (or even simply rename them.)
Much appreciate your help. Android is growing on me. I especially love adb logcat!

ok.. i am now security off'd alpharev worked a treat.
i am now using r00t explorer to try and delete items from /system/app though they come up read-only so i cannot delete them
i take when i get to remove these the phone will have more stoage space for apps yeah?
i also still cannot find where the all apps shortcuts sit! (so i can rename/remove).
and lastly now i have the alpharev bootloader so gonna google how to change that
i did use the Leedroid apps2sd ROM. though most of my apps are still going to phone memory and i cant move them across.
Is there a fix for this? i guess once i work out how to delete these read-only files ill be ok anyway.

Unfortunately removing system apps wont give you more space to install apps, they are stored under a different partition, /system and /data are not on the same disk so you can save as much space on /system as you want but it won't affect /data at all.
With running out of space you have a few choices:
Go to settings..applications..then manage and move as many apps to SD as you can. This is fro-yo apps2sd, not all data is moved and not all apps can be moved, so you will probably run out of space again anyway.
Or
Reboot into recovery and partition your sdcard to create an ext partition, when you boot your rom ALL apps will be moved to the ext partition leaving lots of free space. Backup your sdcard before you partition it, you will lose all data.

Sage said:
ok.. i am now security off'd alpharev worked a treat.
1) i am now using r00t explorer to try and delete items from /system/app though they come up read-only so i cannot delete them
2) i take when i get to remove these the phone will have more stoage space for apps yeah?
3) i also still cannot find where the all apps shortcuts sit! (so i can rename/remove).
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1) Press on Remount as R/O, this should allow you to delete/replace system stuff & ringtones, fonts...etc.
2)No, because apps install to data/apps & not system/apps.
3)You mean like the applicatiuon menu when we used to delete shortcuts or rename them? Hahaha man that was sooooooooooooo long time ago for me. Anyway, the applications installed are displayer & you can't hide them or rearrange them like Winmo. You might want to try Launcher Pro to hide apps in the apps drawer.
If you need more info, ask freely because 2 years ago I went through the same

mr.r9 said:
1) Press on Remount as R/O, this should allow you to delete/replace system stuff & ringtones, fonts...etc. Typo..You meant R/W
2)No, because apps install to data/apps & not system/apps.
3)You mean like the applicatiuon menu when we used to delete shortcuts or rename them? Hahaha man that was sooooooooooooo long time ago for me. Anyway, the applications installed are displayer & you can't hide them or rearrange them like Winmo. You might want to try Launcher Pro to hide apps in the apps drawer.
If you need more info, ask freely because 2 years ago I went through the same
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Hmm..actually the new MTD partition table hack should be able to free space on the /system, adjusting partitions with less for /system and /cache and more for /data/app should give enough space..Though I'm not sure if he wants to try this right now, since it's considered an advanced task and maybe he'd like to get more accustomed to Android before attempting it? His wish though..
And well, there's yet another method to remove system apps, other than the other two methods. This is to modify the zip file of the custom rom to remove the actual apks from /system and reflashing it on top of the actual flash..

droidzone said:
And well, there's yet another method to remove system apps, other than the other two methods. This is to modify the zip file of the custom rom to remove the actual apks from /system and reflashing it on top of the actual flash..
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Ohh yes indeed. OP, you can edit the zip before installing it to your device. You can remove/replace application in system/data and fonts...etc. Just remember to change signature verification to off in your recovery.

my god. i have spent days on this baby and im only barely scratching the surface
much appreciate all your help guys!
ok.. so its time to use app2sd i hear that app2sd+ is better though? (it moves more data to SD yeah? appcache?)
i only have 2Gb microsd right now so i might wait until i my 8GB arrives before i flash a new ROM and start again (again!)
i also noticed these online kitchens. http://cookmyrom.co.cc
which look great! tho they are still a version behind the leedroid i am using tho its a good way to get rid of some default apps.
i certainly like the idea of reparitioning the default disk though not quite ready for that yet especially when app2sd+ sounds much more straight forward.
i am dumbfounded that you cant remove 'shortcuts' from the All Apps! or even rename them!! my god. i would think that was first thing available on such an open source OS.
So i have now created a folder called "Folder" to reduce the clutter.. and now i guess i cant even rename it!?? and if i create another one its called "Folder" too!
lol.. this OS is so advanced yet some basic stuff seems to be overlooked.
I did try launcher pro though it removed my HTC Sense (which i like). So i might need to keep looking for an app to help organise my All Apps and my desktop (is desktop what its called?)
And just how do i add ringtones?
love your work guys thanks again.

Create a folder called Ringtones on the root of your SD to have...ringtones.
When you open a folder, long press on the header to rename it.
As for organizing, I stopped caring & started to use search, but maybe if you want you can try an app called folder organizer.

mr.r9 said:
Create a folder called Ringtones on the root of your SD to have...ringtones.
When you open a folder, long press on the header to rename it.
As for organizing, I stopped caring & started to use search, but maybe if you want you can try an app called folder organizer.
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nice one thank you!

Sage said:
...So i have now created a folder called "Folder" to reduce the clutter.. and now i guess i cant even rename it!??...
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Open the folder then hold where it says folder to change its name.

Ok. Now have app2sd working!
thanks to all of you. Beginning to love this android phone now. I feel sorry for all the people who use them as they come from the factory! Thank god for all the xda people who rip them to shreds and make them better

If i can have one last question. Any way to remap hardware buttons to start an app?
Like when you hold down the search button it launches Google Voice. I want it to launch a different app..
I did a search and found the hardware button remapper though it only does hardware to hardware.. not hardware to app

For Folders(Assuming you're using full HTC Sense), just open it and hold the title bar. Took me some time to figure out. You cannot easily rename the apps in "All apps", but you can remove them(Which is essentially uninstalling them) from Settings > Applications > Manage, unless they are system apps which need to be manually deleted either via S-OFF + Root explorer(OR something similar) or ADB + Custom recovery(Clockworkmod or Amon Ra).
For setting a custom ringtone, open the music app, select the music > Menu > Set as ringtone.

so no love on the hardware remap for apps?
Oh well i have done a lot of googling and it seems it cant be done (well at least not easily).
My last question is when you launch an app from a folder the folder stays open.. any way to force close or change its behaviour?

for those following this. I found the Tasker app remaps hardware buttons amongst doing amazing other things.
Still no love on closing folders though.

i ended up using tasker to create app widgets to replace the folders...

If you want app widgets, there's also "Desktop Visualizer".
In terms of killing of an app, have you tried "Settings -> apps settings -> development" then there's an option there for "stop apps via long press"?

Rooted successfully ... but unable to remove original apps

Hi everyone
I know this thread might look like a dublicated thread, but its not
I searched the forum for similar threads but I couldnt find similar, so I posted it.
I've rooted my HTC desire and tried removing the original apps(like stock,footprint,...etc ) but I couldnt.
After rooting I tried the following apps and got those messages :
File Manager : No suffessient permission
Root Explorer : can't be deleted because the file system is read-ony.
Uninstaller for root : Root access is granted,Can't uninstall app, an unknown error occured.
Any Ideas or apps that could help me in getting rid of such apps

You need to be s-off to remove apps from the system partition while booted, you can however remove the apps in recovery with ADB. Also know that you won't gain any extra space in data because that are different partitions.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

TheGhost1233 said:
You need to be s-off to remove apps from the system partition while booted, you can however remove the apps in recovery with ADB. Also know that you won't gain any extra space in data because that are different partitions.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
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Thanks alot
To be frank with you, I'm a newbie to android
I'm not that much aware of system commands or programming
so my question is : is it that much complicated using the ADB method or any biggner can do it

Follow this tutorial.

You can also modify the zip before flashing it no ?

Yes, which is also the better way but if you don't want to flash a custom rom that's not a option.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

I have flashed a custom Sense ROM that includes certain original apps, but now if I want to remove them can I just reflash the ROM but just removing the apk files before flashing?
Will I lose any data, settings, etc?
[EDIT: Nvm, found the answer]

TheGhost1233 said:
Follow this tutorial.
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Thanks a lot for the help
I'll give it a try and get back to you for the final result

Same problem here.
Seems like for HTC Desire, you need to have S-OFF and NAND unlocked.
Google it and let me know if you made any progress, I'm trying too.

Hi there. You do not need to be S-Off-ed to remove system apps. You need to have write permissions for the system partition. A lot of apps can do that for you as long as you have superuser installed and you have granted access to the application. Personally when I was removing my sys apps i used Sysapp remover. I have even done it with titanium backup but I am not sure if it had the option to give you write permission for the system partition. Just check a some sysremoving apps and at least a couple will have that option.

COOLBGT said:
Hi there. You do not need to be S-Off-ed to remove system apps. You need to have write permissions for the system partition. A lot of apps can do that for you as long as you have superuser installed and you have granted access to the application. Personally when I was removing my sys apps i used Sysapp remover. I have even done it with titanium backup but I am not sure if it had the option to give you write permission for the system partition. Just check a some sysremoving apps and at least a couple will have that option.
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AFAIK, not for the Desire. I was checking some sys app remover programs - all of them stated you need to be S-OFF if you have a Desire.
But It is true, you can remove apps even if you are S-ON. Using ADB.

davebugyi said:
AFAIK, not for the Desire. I was checking some sys app remover programs - all of them stated you need to be S-OFF if you have a Desire.
But It is true, you can remove apps even if you are S-ON. Using ADB.
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I never S-Offed my Desire and also I do not know how to use ADB but still as I said some apps offer you to gain write permissions on the system partition and they will do the trick. I can guarantee you that because this is how I did it

What program was it?
RootUninstaller
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.danesh.system.app.remover
These did not work, when I was S-ON.

personally i've used 3 methods:
adb: works but is such a faff to type in all the apk names exactly!
delete from .zip: easiest way so they're never flashed in the first place. remember not to unzip the ROM, just delete them directly in winzip or similar program before flashing.
if you're S-OFF: i recently took the plunge, was scared of bricking but turned out to be much easier than i thought. then used root explorer to directly delete fancy widget after flashing Leedroid no-sense patch.

Do the s-off procedure at alpharev.nl - this takes less time than rooting (or it did for me) and then you can just delete the apps using Ti Backup or root explorer.
You might also want to flash one of the custom partition tables at this site to give yourself more room for apps. I have about 250mb free (internal) and nothing on SD - this means apps run faster and is apparently better for the battery!

[Q] Rooted - Can I delete these few things?

Hello
Sorry if this is in the wrong section.
I have rooted my stock Desire. Can I use Root Explorer or something to delete:
Most of the notification sounds (ring tones / message tones)?
Teeter game
Flashlight App
YouTube App (I just use the browser to go to the site)
Google App (I just use the browser to go to the site)
Unfortunately the "RootUninstaller" from the App market didn't work (just says an unexpected error).
Also, is there a way I can hide apps in the main window?
Things like "Setup" I would like to hide, along with a few others. Maybe put them in a folder?
Thanks

For most of the apps your need to be s-off. Otherwise if you delete them they will be back when you reboot. That's the reason for the error.

How do I make my phone S-Off?
And what does that actually do?
Thanks

Going by your answers you gain nothing by deleting these apps.
The apps are on the system partition, and your "internal memory" is on the data partition. Clearing space on one does not effect the other.
I suggest you just leave the apps there until you find a reason to delete them. If you still want to get rid of them remove them from the rom zip before flashing or use adb and recovery.

anotherxdauser said:
How do I make my phone S-Off?
And what does that actually do?
Thanks
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[TUTORIAL] How to S-OFF your HTC Desire
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=805811

[Q] Removing/Uninstalling integrated/rom apps

OK, so I'm using my HTC Desire with a custom rom.
It still has the News & Weather app built in, which I really don't like to have on my system, since I use alternatives instead of those.
The news & weather app I want to get rid of came with Ginger Villain 2.* rom and I've tried to find its services/executables, but to no avail.
Uninstalling is not an option when I go the normal route.
I'd like to know the best way to entirely remove some services and apps from the OS. Perhaps I need to edit some files as root in the /etc/init.d folder, which is fine by me, as long as I can erase the binaries that are used for the apps as well.
Where on the HTC Desire storage are these applications located? And why are they not simply uninstallable the normal way?
Thanks in advance for any and all info regarding this.

jult said:
OK, so I'm using my HTC Desire with a custom rom.
It still has the News & Weather app built in, which I really don't like to have on my system, since I use alternatives instead of those.
The news & weather app I want to get rid of came with Ginger Villain 2.* rom and I've tried to find its services/executables, but to no avail.
Uninstalling is not an option when I go the normal route.
I'd like to know the best way to entirely remove some services and apps from the OS. Perhaps I need to edit some files as root in the /etc/init.d folder, which is fine by me, as long as I can erase the binaries that are used for the apps as well.
Where on the HTC Desire storage are these applications located? And why are they not simply uninstallable the normal way?
Thanks in advance for any and all info regarding this.
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I see that you are s-off so this is easy to do. Navigate to /system /app and you will see an apk file for each app. Delete. Done!
I find root explorer the best app for this work - some other explorers won't display thus location or delete the files.

Easiest way would be Titanium Backup. Can disable apps and even better uninstall them from system if you're s-off.
You could also delete them in recovery using adb.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Also if you're s-off you can use Android Commander:
- reboot to recovery
-mount /system
- plug USB and start Android Commander
-delete anything you want
- reboot to system
Of course make a backup first
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Removing bloat... almost there

So I'm trying to get rid of my bloatware.
I'm doing this in TWRP by mounting System, then going into File Manager > System > App
Selecting folder and deleting it.
I'm nearly there but can't find the folders for the following:
Car
FM Radio
Internet
Polaris Office 5
Where are they?

"Yo. Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen... found 'em!"
[Corporal Hudson. Aliens. 1986]
I realise that owing to S-On TB will not permanently remove apps.
It does however inform me of the path to these apps, which were hiding in: sys/priv-apps/

How to remove app? all tools in google play do not work.
(TWRP, SuperSU, S-ON, Bootloader unlock ... I have)
Thansk for answering

aestheble
there's no need for you to delete anything, just grab SD Maid (root) at the store and freeze all those apps you don't need at the drawer. that way you keep the aesthetic and the stable.