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I'm new to rooting, heard its what to do on g2s, but where do I start? I been looking around and doing research but I don't know where to start. I'm not a phone guru and need to be schooled. Where can I find the visionary temp root? It was taken off the android market.
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Well first off, you shouldn't be rooting unless you know what your doing. This isn't like an iPod or iPhone. The slightless thing you do can possibly brick your phone.
www.google.com can help you find the visionary application... it will link you back to this forum. or you can go check the development thread.
srtrod said:
I'm new to rooting, heard its what to do on g2s, but where do I start? I been looking around and doing research but I don't know where to start. I'm not a phone guru and need to be schooled. Where can I find the visionary temp root? It was taken off the android market.
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Ill try to help you out. Click on the "Rooted and Booted" hyperlink in my signature below this. It will take you to my post where I have VISIONary r11 and instructions for root. BUT READ THE ENTIRE 1st POST OF THE THREAD FIRST!!!!!! Its the now famous "Perma Root" thread. Start with page one and make sure you see some of the wrong turns others went through. Ginuinely it's not hard at all to do. But be sure you miss no details to get it right trouble free.
So I finally got my G2/Vision, I want to perm-root my G2. But I fail so much, I can't even put Visionary into my G2.... I downloaded Astro, but I need to place Visionary r14 in my SD, but I can't find a place to put it.
When I look in my SD through windows, it shows me a LOST.DIR, .Trashes, .Spotlight-V100, .fseventsd, .android_secure, Android, etc. etc. But I still can't find the spot to place Visionary, Help?
place it in that folder
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place it in that folder
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Haha, I figured I'd just dl it off the internet through my G2. It worked. Configured it.
Word to the wise, stay away from visionary. Use rage.
ddgarcia05 said:
Word to the wise, stay away from visionary. Use rage.
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Whats the difference? And... What happens if I already used Visionary?
If you used Visionary and it worked for you, then that's great.
I also try and steer folks away from Visionary myself. Quite a few seem to end up with a lot of problems after using Visionary. The "rage" method of rooting is a lot more reliable, it's just that it looks a lot more "scary" to newcomers because there are commands you have to type in and run on your PC and phone. But if you read up on it, and ask questions if you don't understand, then follow the instructions carefully, you'll be fine - and even if rage goes wrong then you won't end up with a semi-brick, you just won't get root (until you fix the problem).
Ohhhh, Ok. Yeah I couldn't get Visionary to work until several tries. Took me a while. I was supprised I hadn't bricked my phone already. But now I'm pretty satisfied with CM 6.1 w/ MattedBlues theme. Sucks though I couldn't get it to work with Virtuous. I really like Sense alot more than the stock Rom (I consider CM 6 to be pretty stock)
Hope this helps!!!
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If you used Visionary and it worked for you, then that's great.
I also try and steer folks away from Visionary myself. Quite a few seem to end up with a lot of problems after using Visionary. The "rage" method of rooting is a lot more reliable, it's just that it looks a lot more "scary" to newcomers because there are commands you have to type in and run on your PC and phone. But if you read up on it, and ask questions if you don't understand, then follow the instructions carefully, you'll be fine - and even if rage goes wrong then you won't end up with a semi-brick, you just won't get root (until you fix the problem).
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+1 on the reliable and +1 on the scary!!!!
I am very new to Android,...I've only had my G2 for about 2 months...I ran Visionary temp root without issues (r10). When I tried to install in r14 to perm root, I encountered a myriad of errors, and decided not to root.
But I just couldn't give up on it....two weeks ago I got food poisoning, which rendered me useless and home bound, I decided to attempt it. I decided to use the rage method, but found that the instructions assumes that you know something about rooting. There are alot of people on this forum that are willing to help (steviewevie was one of them) to get you your through what ever hurdle you encounter.
Personally I found the rooting process very rewarding as I now have less of a vague idea of what is happening in my phone (ie not as lost as before).
Some of the basics:
- Install adb on your pc (not that scary), and read a bot on it...understand what some of the basic commands are trying to do. (see the rooting guide for those commands)
- set your path on your PC to point to the correct directory from where you are pushing (There are a few forums here that will guide you setup by step on how to do this)
-Follow the instructions to the T, and you should be ok.
Click here to go to the thread that these guys helped me while I going through the process. Post #4 makes reference to the path on your pc.
NOTE:This Path should point to the location where you have your adb tools and location of the files you are trying to push to your phone.
Post #17 goes step by step on what you need to do, and how the lines on the terminal should look like.
This is really not that difficult once you get your bearings, and for me it was a lot of fun...actually a little bored with the phone after having done this.
Put (SOLVED) in your thread title please.
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You all seem to suggest to not use visionary but use rage but from what I saw yesterday we had 2 "bricks" from people rooting with rage, compared to none from visionary
Lennyuk said:
You all seem to suggest to not use visionary but use rage but from what I saw yesterday we had 2 "bricks" from people rooting with rage, compared to none from visionary
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Ouch! Really? So no method is any "safer" yet then? Was planning on return to stock then Rage today. I take it I can't update my radio without full radio s-off? Or can i"?
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ddotpatel said:
Ouch! Really? So no method is any "safer" yet then? Was planning on return to stock then Rage today. I take it I can't update my radio without full radio s-off? Or can i"?
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If you know how to read, you can safely root using rage. Just read over the instructions a couple times first.
If you know what your doing both methods are as safe as each other. From what I can see there is a larger margin of error using Rage, however its entirely in your own hands, so as long as you make sure you input it all correctly it should be fine.
Both "bricks" yesterday were recoverable, and both times the user was sure they followed it all correctly, it just seems that their rom corrupted during the process so ended up stuck on a bootloop.
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If you know how to read, you can safely root using rage. Just read over the instructions a couple times first.
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Lennyuk said:
If you know what your doing both methods are as safe as each other. ...
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So we not talking about the random occurance of file corruption then?
Thank you both (i'll add the to your thanks meters when I have some available). Just need to find how to fully reverse the rage method if needed.
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If you know what your doing both methods are as safe as each other. From what I can see there is a larger margin of error using Rage, however its entirely in your own hands, so as long as you make sure you input it all correctly it should be fine.
Both "bricks" yesterday were recoverable, and both times the user was sure they followed it all correctly, it just seems that their rom corrupted during the process so ended up stuck on a bootloop.
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Are you sure the corruption didn't stem from an earlier unsuccessful attempt to root with Visionary ?
I've yet to see a thread where someone has done something bad to their phone via rage, all it does is fire up a ton of process to use an exploit which gets you root. That can't corrupt your phone on its own.
Do you have some links ?
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So we not talking about the random occurance of file corruption then?
Thank you both (i'll add the to your thanks meters when I have some available). Just need to find how to fully reverse the rage method if needed.
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Here you go.
Hi, I'm sorta a noob with rooting so bare with me. First, what version of visionary should I use to root my device? Will it work after the ota update? What are the chances of visionary bricking my phone or doing anything that would make my phone unusable? Will it put SU on my phone? And now for the main question, how will I get cyanogen on my g2? Thanks for any help!
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As far as i know visionary is not gonna brick your phone ,in regard to changing your rom you also need to s/off your phone, and to do that you need to setup ADB on your computer i suggest you read this posts first ,you will find all the answers you are after
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=857390
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=855764
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=835777
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=532719
After you root and s-off your phone you need to setup rom manager so you will get clockworkmod recovery and you can boot in to that and flash a new rom or kernel through there.
and i am not sure about the question you had about the update.
yes you will get su after rooting.
Hwoarang747 said:
Hi, I'm sorta a noob with rooting so bare with me. First, what version of visionary should I use to root my device? Will it work after the ota update? What are the chances of visionary bricking my phone or doing anything that would make my phone unusable? Will it put SU on my phone? And now for the main question, how will I get cyanogen on my g2? Thanks for any help!
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Ok, first there are already many threads on this subject, so next time you should try a search first,
for example: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=850141
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=882546
Next the following links will help walk you thru rooting your phone using visionary r14. I have not had any problems with it, many people have rooted this way. If something goes wrong it is usually operator error. This method is for after the OTA. All needed files and links are in the video instructions.
Visionary has bricked phones before when not properly used, the videos show how to use it properly, use all the same settings in the videos.
This is the visionary method, but works perfectly when done correctly..
No adb needed.
Follow the videos to a "T", remove visionary and superusers from you phone if you already have them installed from a previous temp root before following the videos, start fresh, follow the videos starting with temp root then onto perm root then onto flashing a rom. Do everything just like the videos start to finish and you should have no problems.
Temp root first:
http://theunlockr.com/2010/10/20/how-to-root-the-t-mobile-g2-htc-vision-visionary-method/
Then perm root
http://theunlockr.com/2010/11/30/how-to-gain-permanent-root-and-s-off-on-the-t-mobile-g2-htc-vision/
Then flash a rom
http://theunlockr.com/2010/11/30/how-to-load-a-custom-rom-on-the-t-mobile-g2-htc-vision/
Remember don't assume you know how to temp root properly, follow all three videos start to finish and you should have no problems
Also the video "Load a custom rom" will give you a link to flash your first rom. There are a couple of choices to choose from.
Good Luck.
Editlease see post #32 in this thread for a testimony from someone who just followed the videos and rooted his phone.
Thanks soooo much!!! I have another question, how will I be able to get gingerbread after rooting? Or should I wait? Do I need to wipe my phhone? And what if I just want vanilla android with su and cyanogen?
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Thanks soooo much!!! I have another question, how will I be able to get gingerbread after rooting? Or should I wait? Do I need to wipe my phhone? And what if I just want vanilla android with su and cyanogen?
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Everyones still waiting on gingerbread, but it looks like Cyanogen is in the lead for releasing it.
Any time you flash a new rom you need to wipe data/cache in recovery. Updates to the same rom a wipe is not needed.
As far as what you want in a rom, my suggestion is to start flashing diffrent roms and give them a try. I thought I didnt like sense but I am currently running a sense rom (Virtuous). So you dont know till you try.
1) Don't use Visionary. People have had brick after brick when using it. Use the rage method.
2) There's a beta version of CM7.0.0 out. The devs are still working out the bugs in it.
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blackknightavalon said:
1) Don't use Visionary. People have had brick after brick when using it. Use the rage method.
2) There's a beta version of CM7.0.0 out. The devs are still working out the bugs in it.
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1)Show me one brick from someone following the videos I posted and Ill take the links down. Yes a lot of people have bricked using visionary, but thats because they assumed they knew what they were doing when in fact they did not. Visionary causes bricks when not properly used, the videos shows how to use it properly. You must follow all the steps from start to finish including the temp root settings they use in the videos.
2)and yes there is a beta version of gingerbread out CM7 but Cyanogen did not officially release this version, and there are so many bugs in it I hardly think a noob needs to flash CM 7.0.0.
What exactly its the range method?
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What exactly its the range method?
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Its Rage method and heres a link to the thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=834228&highlight=rage
I recommend you read this thread and make informed desicions, if you know how to use ADB, then this is another method. But if you dont the method I posted above is your other option, it doesn't require the use of ADB.
As far as ADB goes this is something I highly recommend learning, but we all know some people just dont get it. It took me a lot of reading and watching videos to understand ADB. Now that I know how to use ADB its pretty simple, but I remember when I first started with rooting ADB was like reading greek. But I really cant stress enough the importance of learning ADB.
Hahah sorry, i was using swype. And yeah, so what do you recomend, cause i really dont wanna brick my phone for its fairly new.
Oh, and another thing, if i root with visionary or rage, that only gives me root access. But if i flash a rom then i will also have cyanogen? And i was reading, since i wanna oc, whats this kernel stuff? Please forgive my noobish ways
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Hahah sorry, i was using swype. And yeah, so what do you recomend, cause i really dont wanna brick my phone for its fairly new.
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I used the videos to root my G2, there have been a lot of bricks using Visionary but I have yet to see anyone say they followed the videos to the "T" and it bricked there phone. As for the Rage method, there have been almost no reports of bricks from this method, but I have seen a few bootloops (stuck on the HTC screen). It requires using ADB, so if your ok with ADB use the Rage method, if not, you'll have to weigh the risks based on your own ability. My suggestion, watch the videos, all of them and if its something within your skill range go for it.
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Oh, and another thing, if i root with visionary or rage, that only gives me root access. But if i flash a rom then i will also have cyanogen? And i was reading, since i wanna oc, whats this kernel stuff? Please forgive my noobish ways
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Ok, get rooted first then you can worry about kernels, I believe Cyanogen 6.1.1 already comes with an overclocked kernel up to 1.42GHz. So all you have to do is flash CM 6.1.1 his latest release, then down load a cpu controlling app from the market like setcpu(which I use) or cputuner(free) and set the parameters you want your cpu to run at.
Thanks, but a boot loop is fixable right?
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It usualy is you can boot in to recovery and wipe and flash another kernal or rom. Just have a look at the links that I posted ,you will get all the answers.
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Hwoarang747 said:
Thanks, but a boot loop is fixable right?
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Not always hopefully if this happens you have gotten far enough along to put a recovery on your phone, or sometime you can stock recovery factory reset but if those options arn't there guess what you would have to have AndriodSDk installed on your computer with ADB, but you would have to do everything in fastboot mode which is giving commands from your computer to you phone. So it wouldn't be adb because you have to be booted into Andriod to use it, it would be fastboot and run commands similar to ADB, so for this purpose you would have to know how to use ADB. And even then no guarantees. So if you are looking for a guarantee you wont brick your phone there are none, and I wont give you one, these methods have been proven to work if you follow them exactly, mess up and you have a brick.
I know most people dont have $500+ laying around and I know I dont but for me the rewards far outweighed the risk. I just got a pm from another member that followed the videos and guess what he is rooted, he did it today. I asked him to post in this thread with his success story, so hopefully he will.
Here is a quote from him from my PM "it worked! i got so frustrated with adb, i gave it a shot and success!"
Edit: He just posted success his user name is robot_agenda and his post is #32 in this thread.
wait so what did he give a shot? the gfree method?
Hwoarang747 said:
wait so what did he give a shot? the gfree method?
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He rooted his phone with visionary following the videos I posted.
and also, have you heard of the issue with visionary where the phone boots into recovery when being charged?
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and also, have you heard of the issue with visionary where the phone boots into recovery when being charged?
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That has nothing to do with visionary, thats has to do with ClockworkMod recovery, if your phone is powered off and you plug it in to charge it boots into recovery, if you want root you have to deal with this issue untill they fix the bug in clockworkmod recovery. Also the phone shuts off fine unless its pluged in. Everyone with a htc vision phone who is rooted has this issue. as for me I charge my phone while it on so it doesn't bother me.
heres a link to the problem:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=884516
i used visionary to temp root my device, then i clicked on the perm root option just to say what happened then my phone froze i started touching the screen and a menu popped up and i clicked an option on accident. the option on the left. then my phone shut off and is froze on the htc boot screen. i pulled the battery and the same thing happened. i tried a factory data reset and the phone is still frozen on the boot screen. please help T-Mo G2, 2.2, no roms
I really do not know why the visionary guides are allowed on these forums. I find it GROSSLY irresponsible of the mods. It has been proven TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME again that visionary bricks phone. For god sakes there is a sticky at the top of the forum saying DON'T USE VISIONARY FOR PERM ROOT. Your phone might be screwed. And its really not your fault. Those threads need closed. Period. Seriously mods, how many phones do you want ruined before you rid the forum of the visionary crap. The gfree method among MANY other alternatives works and DOESN'T BRICK PHONES. WHY LET THIS CRAP STAY FOR PEOPLE LIKE THIS WHO SEE IT AS AN EASY METHOD AND JUMP AT IT UGH.
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if you'd done some research (not picking on you, just for future reference), you'd have found many a testimony that visionary should not be used on the vision--oh, the irony--to obtain permanent root. visionary temp root is fine, but its perm root is dangerous to our phones.
are you able to boot into recovery? do you have a custom recovery (ie clockworkmod) installed? do you have the engineering hboot installed?
Visionary's Perm root will basically brick your phone... sorry
i can boot into recovery but i dont have cyanogen or any roms or anything installed i just rooted my phone
will htc help me?
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Visionary's Perm root will basically brick your phone... sorry
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Not always but a lot of people it does.
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paulwoods1114 said:
will htc help me?
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Don't tell them that you tried to root your phone, just tell them it did it on it's own.
sure, they'll probably find out once they've got it, but by then they'll probably just fix it. htc sometimes fixes rooted phones if the they belive the problem was something else.
for example (this has actually happened):
lets say your phones screen stopped working, but it was rooted. the root has nothing to do with the screen, so they'll fix it, but when the phone was returned to the customer it was no longer rooted.
Is sending my phone to HTC my only option because i can still boot into to recovery and get into the bootloader and all that. i just want to know that HTC is my last resort
If your bootloader says S-ON, and your recovery is not CWM then you're good to go.
Visionary works for exactly what it is supposed to do. Temp root. Then you can achieve perm root with the various methods depending on your build #. It perm roots on earlier phones - so I hear, as well. The OP hit the perm root button without s-off. Easier to find warnings about that could be instructive, but the mods can't take the visionary instructionals off the forum. ABD is not exactly a friend to the G2. There are a number of things the OP can try. If they really release the update - that should do it. Thread-rom manager,rom backup, and red exclamation point. Etc.
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My bootloader says S-ON
My bootloader says S-ON
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My bootloader says S-ON
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yea warranty will cover it... just dont mention root or anyting.... it did it by itself you hear me (personal experience.... one of the first to brick using visionary....)
Visionary works for exactly what it is supposed to do. Temp root. Then you can achieve perm root with the various methods depending on your build #. It perm roots on earlier phones - so I hear, as well. The OP hit the perm root button without s-off. Easier to find warnings about that could be instructive, but the mods can't take the visionary instructionals off the forum. ABD is not exactly a friend to the G2. There are a number of things the OP can try. If they really release the update - that should do it. Thread-rom manager,rom backup, and red exclamation point. Etc.
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Actually they can take them off the forums, and even if that was true, they can close the threads and let them fall into oblivion. They do all of xda a gigantic disservice by being so irresponsible and letting that junk linger so noobs can brick there phone within the freaking day of buying it. Its outrageous and I'm not gonna listen to any other arguement.
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There's a perfectly good guide on XDA Wiki for permrooting the G2, and other sub forums on XDA for each device to root. There's no need for Visionary at this point. There will always be alternative ways to root phones.
Well,
I was using the word "can't" for emphasis. I suppose in some ways "don't" would have been more accurate. Let me try again. Feel free not to listen. I will always be grateful to Modaco. Here's why: I had a G1 (gf has it now -running froyo at the moment), TouchPro 2 (my Dad is using it now - so not that modified, but it was); I finally get a G2 and I can't do anything with it. I sat there for 24 hours trying to root it before I called 1 of the 2 guys in Austin on Craigslist offering flashing/rooting/unlocking services. Sat with him for 12 hours. On the plus side he did show me how to set up ABD. On the other hand lot of time with an irate stranger who won't even take the money he is so upset with himself.
Finally figured out if you use the root no abd required method twice (on everything but the G2s with Gingerbread) you can sneak by barely and downgrade etc. Visionary provided the temp root.
I wasn't lucky enough to get a G2 on the first day. I was in the same boat as the folks with Gingerbread. Thought I had waited too long. My parting words from the professional flashers place. But Visionary and the automated scripts for Gfree saved me. Should the perm root button contain a warning that you need s-off first? Sure. But developers have little incentive to update when criticism is so harsh. I have a feeling every root method is indebted to Visionary. If I had a "ginger" G2 I would be praying they were working on a fix.
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My question can appear strange , but what can I do with a rooted phone like my desire Z? Because I read a lot about how to permanently root the desire z but, this is my first Android phone so if someone can help me to try to permanently root the phone... I want to try it without brick my phone... I read the guide in the wiki section but I didn't understand it there is something easier?
Thanks a lot
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This link will explain everything.
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this link will explain everything.
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This link will explain everything.
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i concour.
There are so many articles.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...top-5-benefits-of-rooting-your-android-phone/
Also helpful to read the comments.
Haha thanks but is so difficult?
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From [GUIDE][DZ] EASY Rooting, Flashing, Debranding and Basic FAQs for dummies:
- For rooting questions, please refer to the proper thread (rooting methods).
- Rooting an HTC Vision is a pain in the arse because there are many variants/versions, and not all rooting methods can be used on all of them.
- There are many ways to get root access: "rage" (ADB command line type) "visionary" (an APK installable app by paulobrien from Modaco) "gfree", etc. Using "Rage" is safer, "visionary" is simpler but many problemshave been reported, and "gfree" safer and most up to date.
- After using any of these, you can go further and turn S-OFF, CID-unlock and SIM-unlock the phone with "gfree", a safe and neat script written by scotty2 et al @ #G2root IRC. Sounds confusing ?? Just follow the instructions on the Wiki.
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Is it hard? Yes.
Is it worth it? Hell yes.
As soon as you root your phone, you'll wonder why it wasn't the first thing you did when you got home from the store...
Follow the guides in the link I placed above and hopefully you'll figure it out in no-time.
Oh thanks lots my friend ok I'll try...
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I wouldn't say it's too difficult. Definitely easier than in the days of the G1. The benefits are definitely worth it too. Being able to transition to custom ROMs is probably the largest benefit.
Rooting isn't for everyone. If you take the Apple approach and just use your phone as a device to get onto the Internet and make phone calls and send texts, then rooting isn't for you.
If you want to take your device to the next level (use widgets to determine the weather, take snapshots of your desktop to ask for help or just brag about something, have a faster/overall experience), and if you are not risk adverse (...i.e., patient enough to wait for a custom ROM for Gingerbread or deal with CyanogenMod 7), and if you're willing to always look forward, then rooting is for you.
Oh, and if you're a developer looking to try something out... well, if you were then I guess you wouldn't be asking this question. ...you'd probably be asking how to unbrick your phone.