[Q] Clear hard acrylic case - Galaxy S II Accessories

Anyone found a clear hard acrylic case? Something akin to this for the DHD:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hard-Clear-Cr..._MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item1c184376f8

vinokirk said:
Anyone found a clear hard acrylic case? Something akin to this for the DHD:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hard-Clear-Cr..._MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item1c184376f8
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I actualy bought that for my desire hd, and wish i had not, they are not that good you can see inperfections, that when you look at them apear like a crack.
Im prety sure this is becuase they are so cheap and sold via fleabay, if you was to find/purchase one elsewhere a more well known make then im prety sure you would not see these. but that is my opion of those.

yeah i rather buy a clear TPU gel case, actually i bought and recieved 2 from dealextreme.
the hard cases always break and pretty quick too

That case I gave a link to, I have. I can say its one of the best cases ever! No cracks or breaks and it protects the phone almost 100%! Its two pieces that dont actually attach to the phone at all, the two halves of the case snap together securly.
This type of plastic case however:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-CRYSTAL-CLE..._MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item3cb3fdd80c
Is absolute bollox! It does attach itself to the phone and cracks within about 3 days...PANTS!
I bough this case in the end, its got a hard part on the back:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380332737615&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
Im just gonna wait till they release a clear hard case that I think will be up to the job

vinokirk said:
That case I gave a link to, I have. I can say its one of the best cases ever! No cracks or breaks and it protects the phone almost 100%! Its two pieces that dont actually attach to the phone at all, the two halves of the case snap together securly.
This type of plastic case however:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2-CRYSTAL-CLE..._MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item3cb3fdd80c
Is absolute bollox! It does attach itself to the phone and cracks within about 3 days...PANTS!
I bough this case in the end, its got a hard part on the back:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380332737615&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
Im just gonna wait till they release a clear hard case that I think will be up to the job
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got the same case with the stand on monday and i must say it's built pretty good, but i can't really test it out since i haven't got my phone yet. but the stand isn't flimsy as i initially thought

Hampa_D said:
got the same case with the stand on monday and i must say it's built pretty good, but i can't really test it out since i haven't got my phone yet. but the stand isn't flimsy as i initially thought
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Agreed, its a pretty decent case. I reckon ill actually use the stand a lot

Just got this case, surprised at the high quality of the build! The case is a perfect fit and the kickstand is very useful.

Related

Sprint's BodyGlove looks promising...

Check out the review with some Q&A here...
http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-4g/88106-sprints-body-glove-protective-cover-evo-4g.html
As for this vs the Siedio case, I'm thinking this one is a bit thinner and would fit in my pocket easier.
wow like the bodyglove cover.whats the price? and can i buy one online?
GHOST99K said:
wow like the bodyglove cover.whats the price? and can i buy one online?
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It's 29.99 - and will be available at Sprint stores upon launch. You might be able to grab one now depending on how charismatic you are...
As for online, the online sprint store may be selling them - not sure, you'd have to check on the 4th.
Nice I like the look of that case and I just orderd the ghost armor case as you get the whole body armor for 14.99, the bodyglove might be better but I might use both, and then be covered for everything...
im usually not a fan of these type cases but i think ill grab it for the honeymoon period also
Will never get another body glove again. Their tabs break off all the time. Went through two of them in a month for my TP2.
damm i checked the sprint accessory online store and its not available yet i guess but ill b heading to the store to c if they got any before launch.so far got screen protector for the SUPERSONIC.
I've been searching online for the past couple of days for a case for my Evo. I really want this body glove case. I am going to stop by my Corporate Sprint Store tomorrow on my way to work to see if they have any and if they would let me buy one. I called them earlier last week about another matter and the store associate started talking about the Evo. When I told him I would have mine this past Friday he was shocked and wanted to see it. So maybe...and I mean maybe if I go up there show them my Evo and everything they may be nice and let me get one of the cases. Plus I have a Sprint Premier Account, so we'll see.
sanjsrik said:
Will never get another body glove again. Their tabs break off all the time. Went through two of them in a month for my TP2.
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Has anyone had similar issues? Have you tried other cases? If so, what would you recommend for protection and as slim as possible...
keatre said:
Has anyone had similar issues? Have you tried other cases? If so, what would you recommend for protection and as slim as possible...
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YES! I've had the exact same results with the Samsung moment case, the front panel is held on by 4 small plastic tabs.
These tabs easily break off just by taking the case on and off. I replaced my case twice after giving up completely and going naked. I'll never buy Body Glove again.
I would be very careful with the Body Glove or Seidio cases. I bought the Seidio Innocase II and put it on my iPhone 3GS on day one. When I got it ready for sale a few days ago, I removed the case to find some scratches on the chrome bezel. The felt on the rear protected the back just fine. If they lined the entire case with it, then it would be good. The bezel on the Evo appears to be shiny plastic, so I would expect it to scratch even easier than the metal iPhone bezel.
I've tried other cases...
keatre said:
Has anyone had similar issues? Have you tried other cases? If so, what would you recommend for protection and as slim as possible...
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I have tried other cases, they are of the cheaper rubber cases that have this interlocking mechanism on top and bottom that were okay, the fit wasn't good but the cases were good. The unfortunate thing is that comparing a TP2 case with the Evo case is apples and oranges.
That IS until I saw that the Evo case is also a 2-piece snap on. If there is no sliding keyboard why then is it a two piece snap on and not a once piece hard case? The tabs break, pure and simple. If the reset button is under the back cover, every time you take off the back bodyglove cover, you risk breaking the tabs holding the case in place.
When I say I have gone through two bodyglove cases, I wasn't kidding. The thing looks good, until the case parts start randomly popping off because the tabs have broken off. Not really a protector then, is it?
sanjsrik said:
I have tried other cases, they are of the cheaper rubber cases that have this interlocking mechanism on top and bottom that were okay, the fit wasn't good but the cases were good. The unfortunate thing is that comparing a TP2 case with the Evo case is apples and oranges.
That IS until I saw that the Evo case is also a 2-piece snap on. If there is no sliding keyboard why then is it a two piece snap on and not a once piece hard case? The tabs break, pure and simple. If the reset button is under the back cover, every time you take off the back bodyglove cover, you risk breaking the tabs holding the case in place.
When I say I have gone through two bodyglove cases, I wasn't kidding. The thing looks good, until the case parts start randomly popping off because the tabs have broken off. Not really a protector then, is it?
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Hmm, well thanks a lot guys, I've definitely changed my mind on this case. I'll probably go naked until Otterbox comes out with a case (in which case the honeymoon phase will be over, and I'll be more worried about long-term protection).
keatre said:
Hmm, well thanks a lot guys, I've definitely changed my mind on this case. I'll probably go naked until Otterbox comes out with a case (in which case the honeymoon phase will be over, and I'll be more worried about long-term protection).
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Give the Sprint Silicone Case a try. I got it and love it. It's nice and cheap especially with a 25% premier customer discount. It covers everything, slips on easy and comes off easy, good fit, and it actually makes the power button easier to hit and feel.
http://shop.sprint.com/NASApp/onlin...=Carry+&+Protect&selectedAccessoryID=CZH1980R
Its pretty nice. I have it and its decently built. Only structural issue I see is by the volume keys. But otherwise seems quite solid.
I like the look of the case, very cyber, but if it splits the longest way around the edge& is only held together with little tabs, I'd look elsewhere. On a one-piece phone with no moving parts there is no sense in it. I'm looking at the Seidio since it has the smallest seam, it goes around the middle, and is made to be held in holster. I don't like shoving phones in my pocket any way and especially not this giant thing. Second choice might be the Sprint one with multi colors or the silicone one.
I love my Evo body glove
I bought My body glove from the Dover, NH Sprint store from wireless link. The thing is amazing picked it up for $20 (special discount)
When I bought my evo, they had that body glove case at the store for $20. I got it, and I like it. It almost has an "iron man" type of look to it. The thing I liked about it was that it was thick enough to protect the camera, meaning when you laid it down, the camera didnt touch anything.
It is a pain in the butt to take off though. It has the back piece and then a really cheap-feeling front piece, and they clip together around the phone. Its hard to un-clip them at that point. I've already bent the hell out of the side of the front piece, but it still looks alright.
Regardless of that, I'd say its worth getting.
i have it like above mentioned feels cheap when taking on or off but when on its great protects camera lense i have no complaints so far i might be grabbing one of those 3500mah batteries so ill probably have to change sooner or later

Seidio Active X Case

Just in case anyone is interested in this case, I just wanted to let you know it is pretty fantastic. I've had it since I've had the phone (only about 4 days currently) but it fits very securely and the bulk it adds is negligible.
I additionally got the holster for it also and seems to we working securely. Just went out clubbing Saturday night and didn't have any problems with it even while dancing and all.
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Just in case anyone is interested in this case, I just wanted to let you know it is pretty fantastic. I've had it since I've had the phone (only about 4 days currently) but it fits very securely and the bulk it adds is negligible.
I additionally got the holster for it also and seems to we working securely. Just went out clubbing Saturday night and didn't have any problems with it even while dancing and all.
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do you have any pictures of what it looks like with it on. thanks
jadsru1 said:
do you have any pictures of what it looks like with it on. thanks
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forget the pics of the case.....put up some pics of you dancing LOL LOL
sorry...couldn't resist
Took some just for you. Again, can't post them up here so put them in a directory at
imgur.com/a/HC3SO
Thanks for the info, been looking at both the Active X and the Innocase Surface. Still not sure which one I want and too cheap to buy both.
I dont like the lip this case leaves over the screen. i love the cases look though its awesome. I just wouldnt be able to take the lip i dont like that at all. Its deff better looking than the surface case but i think thats what im going with. I did order a TPU case off ebay for $5. Its really nice looking. Idk the policy on links on this site so i wont post but search in ebay S-line case its really nice for the money still waiting on it but i only ordered a few days ago.
I just received the blue case (had to wait a bit, they only had the black one in stock for a while) and I also LOVE it. In addition to looking great, not adding too much bulk and feeling good in the hand, it also makes the volume rocker and POWER BUTTON easier to push. My power button had become quite a pain to push, and this case does a great job of making it easier. I would definitely recommend the Active X case.
does anyone know how this case compares (bulkwise) to the vzw silicon/plastic 2 layered case? I have the vzw one and it is a bit bulky for my tastes so far and it doesnt add much grip.
would you be able to use the holster with the Verizon case (black/red)
Ricko817 said:
would you be able to use the holster with the Verizon case (black/red)
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Likely not. I haven't tried specifically with this phone, but I've tried with others and it doesn't normally work. They do have a holster / case bundle, which is what I bought, and it works really well.
the holster gets old quickly with a phone this big. the BB is about as big as i would go with a holster

[Q] Stand Smart Slim Leather Case Cover

Anyone has this/tried it?
Stand Smart Slim Leather Case Cover
Looks pretty decent to me and i'm thinking of getting it, was wondering if anyone had any experience with it.
i ordered one, this week, i will report as soon as i get it!
I just did as well, the silver version ;D
How will the smart cover part of that case stay on the tablet when covering the screen?
It does look good, waiting for your reviews of this case.
I got the black one about a week ago..it takes 2-3 weeks for china stuff to arrive
Sent from my GT-P7510 using xda premium
Lordwinkevin whats your review then? and what of the screen cover, does it "lock" in any way?
This is by far the best designed case you can get for the Tab10. All the other cases have ridiculously huge foot prints when in a stand mode.
The part of the case that covers the back looks cheap, seems there is a white colored plastic trim piece on it.
I would love to see some better quality pics of this case, the seller's pics are not revealing enough.
hmm i just ordered it couple of days ago... mine's shipping from HK... hopefully faster?
Ive had mine for over a week. This case is heavier than my tab! its essentially a cheap piece of plastic cover for the back and a microfiber suede material for the flap. Which is the heavy part ironically. It contains four pieces of some kind of heavy metal and a small magnet. Be carefull when closing it because I was scared that it might break my screen upon impact. And there isnt any way of it staying closed. It just flaps open if turned around. Ive already received a refund for mine. Now I just use the case as a weapon. The last thing a thief will think when I pull that thing out is that I will hurt him but honestly that **** hurts like hell, lol.
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Lordwinkevin whats your review then? and what of the screen cover, does it "lock" in any way?
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I meant i ordered it about a weeks ago and should be here in the next few days. I watched this video review though before buying it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1HZsCxImFs&sns=em
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I meant i ordered it about a weeks ago and should be here in the next few days. I watched this video review though before buying it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1HZsCxImFs&sns=em
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Just watched it, thanks for the link. Seem alright. Ill make a small review once i get mine.
So, any updates on this?
im waiting on mine as well...should come in any day now
Mine came in the mail today. I was going to do a youtube unbox but I have a crappy HP computer with windows 7 (no voice over in movie maker).
Anyway, I really like it like the case. It snaps on and off easily, has good cut outs and the plastic back adds a little stiffness to the tab. Love how light and thin the GTab is but it felt just a little too flexible. It also works well in portrait mode (how I use my tab most of the time) because it's foldable. It's more of a protector so I'm also using a Built 10 netbook sleeve that I picked up at staples for $10.
Cool, thx for the pics !
im still waiting on mine
Edit: Turns out it was waiting for me in the mail looks good, only thing is i asked for the silver one and i got the white, not really sure if i should complain or not, its not like im going to the "store" to return it hehe. Other then that, its cool and doesnt feel cheap at all
Just got mine today after seeing it discussed in this thread - glad I did, absolutely love it! Highly, high recommend this to anyone looking for a lightweight but durable case.
this cover looks beautiful with the tablet I think.
Hi guys,
Is the cover for the front able to stay closed, or is it not magnetic at all?
Im looking for a slim line cover/case and this looks nice, plus its an obvious apple cover rip off, which aint that bad.
leaskovski said:
Hi guys,
Is the cover for the front able to stay closed, or is it not magnetic at all?
Im looking for a slim line cover/case and this looks nice, plus its an obvious apple cover rip off, which aint that bad.
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It doesnt stay locked. It has magnets but it just barely reaches the top besel so it doesnt connect to it.
I've been using it for 3 weeks now, and i love it!

Video Review: Casemate TOUGH case for the Galaxy Note

Hello all,
I have bought a Casemate tough case and received it today and made a quick video on youtube about how it looks and feels on my channel.
In summary it is a fantastic case and the only drawback is the fact that it hand't been released earlier.
Here is the Youtube link
robifis said:
Hello all,
I have bought a Casemate tough case and received it today and made a quick video on youtube about how it looks and feels on my channel.
In summary it is a fantastic case and the only drawback is the fact that it hand't been released earlier.
Here is the Youtube link
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How thick does it make the device now?
It's not actually that bad to be honest. It gives it a "nice and comfortable" feel
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It's not actually that bad to be honest. It gives it a "nice and comfortable" feel
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How about when you put it in your pocket? is it still comfortable in there? I use TPU cases right now, and they're fairly slim as they are. But I never feel comfortable with them if I were to drop my device. They're just good for scratches, not for falls (which never happens, but I'm sure it will happen sooner or later).
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How about when you put it in your pocket? is it still comfortable in there? I use TPU cases right now, and they're fairly slim as they are. But I never feel comfortable with them if I were to drop my device. They're just good for scratches, not for falls (which never happens, but I'm sure it will happen sooner or later).
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It fits into my pocket alright a nice fit without making it look like i am "excited" . I am 6'2" however so my pockets might be slightly bigger. With this I literally have no worries about it dropping. I probably don't even need the screen protector on the device.
If you look on my youtube channel there is another case review up from casemate too and the phone does seem just as secure without the added bulk.
Will it fit an extended battery?
ubermetroid said:
Will it fit an extended battery?
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Depends how big...a slight raise and you might just get away with it but an extended battery like a 4500mAh then no...This case is designed exactly for the normal battery with a tiny tiny bit of room if any
Nice lookin' case, shame it's only in black
nice case there, the only thing is it adds so much bulk to the note, that's my only concern with this case...
aditya_reds said:
nice case there, the only thing is it adds so much bulk to the note, that's my only concern with this case...
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I see what you mean but I don't mind it as the phone is big already.
I just love the case because it is soooo comfortable to hold. I had it on my GS2 and I couldn't wait until casemate released it.
It would be worth trying it if you get the chance you won't regret it
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I see what you mean but I don't mind it as the phone is big already.
I just love the case because it is soooo comfortable to hold. I had it on my GS2 and I couldn't wait until casemate released it.
It would be worth trying it if you get the chance you won't regret it
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Sure mate, might buy it later i guess...
Its always good to have choices..
I have a TPU gel S-Line wave case on my Note right now.
I intend to buy the Case Mate Tough, but there are some things I want to ask you about.
How does it feel when you press the power / volume buttons? I mean... do you feel it, or it's like... erm... dang. The feedback, is it good or bad?
Also, how "slippery" is it on the top/bottom edges (where the polycarbonate shell isn't holding it as tight as on the sides)? Bad enough to "slip" off a bit when you take it out of a tight pocket, or even when you drop it...?
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Oh and one more thing (not likely to be the last )... Did you get a screen protector inside the package? The store where I'm about to buy it from claims there is one in the package, although they don't mention whether it's made by Case-Mate (do they actually do screen protectos?) or some other firm, or if it's clear or matte or whatever...
The feeling is really good I loved it. The button feedback is great. I buy tough cases for all my phones as I love how they feel. The buttons are easy to press and the phone stays clean without any dirt getting in between the phone and the case.
With regards to screen protector, no there wasn't one and I am not aware that casmate do do any screen protectors. I usually go for zagg ones as I like them the most.
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The feeling is really good I loved it. The button feedback is great. I buy tough cases for all my phones as I love how they feel. The buttons are easy to press and the phone stays clean without any dirt getting in between the phone and the case.
With regards to screen protector, no there wasn't one and I am not aware that casmate do do any screen protectors. I usually go for zagg ones as I like them the most.
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Thank you for the answer!
Then the store that is selling the case probably includes a crappy screen protector in themselves . Or CaseMate started to add this recently... who knows.
I'll buy it on wednesday. Hope I don't get one that has askew cut-outs and such, haha .
My case arrived just today!
It had a screen protector in the package... which was probably added by the shop, since the package was not sealed anymore and... oh well...
The screen protector was probably good, at least as good as those cheap ones you can get for a dollar a piece, but I f**ked up at installing it. I was planning to go down to a shop and buy a 3M Vikuiti screen protector (the vendor installed it, perfectly), anyway.
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The case is... well, it's bulky! It's really good, but installing it is a bit... well, it's hard. I did some drop tests with it, and the buttons were slightly off, also the lip... required some extensive pulling-with-teeth .
I'm dissapointed by the fact that they didn't add a few extra stripes of ABS on the top and bottom.... without those, those two sides are flimsy and easy to get off, you know... Anyway.
Also, the hard shell doesn't perfectly fit over the silicone glove, at least on the top side... but it's good enough.
For this kind of price, I was expecting utmost perfection, but it's good . To be honest, the S-Line wave TPU case I had before felt better in hand - also had better grip. Or perhaps I just need some time to adjust to this new case...
Also, hate how the silicone is a dust magnet.
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Anyway, this case is overall good. Definetly protects the phone well .
I used the case-mate tough case back when I had my Galaxy S and loved it! It offered outstanding protection from bumps and knocks so I purchased the case again for my Note. Used it for a few months but have since moved to the Mercury case. What made me change was the difficulty I had taking the phone out of my pockets. The textured surface of the case is nice to hold and feels good but it's too clingy to clothing, magnified by the size of the case's surface area ( probably why I never had the same problem with my Galaxy S). Still use it every now and again though.
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I used the case-mate tough case back when I had my Galaxy S and loved it! It offered outstanding protection from bumps and knocks so I purchased the case again for my Note. Used it for a few months but have since moved to the Mercury case. What made me change was the difficulty I had taking the phone out of my pockets. The textured surface of the case is nice to hold and feels good but it's too clingy to clothing, magnified by the size of the case's surface area ( probably why I never had the same problem with my Galaxy S). Still use it every now and again though.
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The Mercury case seems to be a jelly case?
And it doesn't even cover the buttons...
Oh well. You should have bought the CUBZ S-Line wave TPU case instead, it's more good looking

Cruzerlite cases...any feedback?

Does anyone has any feedback on this case?
http://www.cruzerlite.com/cases/sam...roidified-a2-tpu-case-for-samsung-galaxy-note
I have a SGP case but it is white so I want to go with a black case and like the android design on those but want to make sure they dont have any flaws.
Thanks
Headphone jack seems to be not lined up on most of them
my review of it
Hi, yep I've got this case, its actually not that bad.
the best thing is that it is very comfortable to hold.
the grip on it is good. its cut outs are good, headphone jack cut out is good, but I would prefer if it was a bit bigger.
all other cut outs are perfect apart from the speaker ones which covers only a very small amount of the top of the speaker, but is not a problem.
here are a few pics.
sorry for the poor quality of pics, I was using my v. old nokia 5800.
Thanks.
I am going to be getting one and posting a review and video review for it.
shaolin95 said:
Thanks.
I am going to be getting one and posting a review and video review for it.
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do you like it?
Droidguy987 said:
do you like it?
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Still do not have it....super slow delivery
I have the Androidified Case and love it! It's super comfy (like the guy above me said) and it's just made to be easy to use. My only complaint is that the standard usb cable has a difficult time getting to the port due to the design of the case. Simple fix by pulling the piece up, but I don't like putting pressure on the port.
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I have the Androidified Case and love it! It's super comfy (like the guy above me said) and it's just made to be easy to use. My only complaint is that the standard usb cable has a difficult time getting to the port due to the design of the case. Simple fix by pulling the piece up, but I don't like putting pressure on the port.
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ah that could be an issue indeed. Can't wait to test it. I only got my white case which I hate due to the apple look
i had the same problem regarding the usb, at first i had to force it in due to the way the cut out is, but after two days it seemed that the case just changed its shape and adjusted to allow the usb to fit in without forcing it. which for me I now have no problem with it.
Thanks for the feedback. I will keep it in mind while testing.
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Thanks for the feedback. I will keep it in mind while testing.
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is your review ready?
Droidguy987 said:
is your review ready?
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Just received two of the cases today but waiting for the third one that has the fancy designs to do it.
So far , I love the looks of the black one with the Android design on the back and inside.
Not too sure about the big area left open for the camera and flash but I will comment about all that when I post it.
Did you receive the last case ? i'm very intrested in it.
You think it still will fit in the pocket of your jeans now it is not so slippery anymore ?
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Did you receive the last case ? i'm very intrested in it.
You think it still will fit in the pocket of your jeans now it is not so slippery anymore ?
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Actually just got the shipping notification so I expect it here in time for a Friday review at least.
Yes it does fit fine and I like that it has extra grip on the sides of the case. That feels better than my previous one which is more slippery.
I will make sure to take enough pictures but so far I like it. I guess the wait is not bad that way I can do a review after a week of using the case to give a better perspective as opposed to a right our of the bag review.
I put my Note in a sock, it fits well, 10$ on ebay and looks not bad.
If i use this Cruzerlite, will i be able to put it in a sock again (maybe a bigger one ?)
Or dont you guys use a sock ? what do you use then ?

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