I had it on my first epic and liked it but some say to stay away from it, if i dont use it is there a better safer app or not to use 1 at all and manually stop programs. i c there is a paid and free 1. i guess the free 1 has adds but i didnt on mine??
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I had it on my first epic and liked it but some say to stay away from it, if i dont use it is there a better safer app or not to use 1 at all and manually stop programs. i c there is a paid and free 1. i guess the free 1 has adds but i didnt on mine??
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Leave it alone. Android 2.2 + manages tasks for you. Task killers cause instability. Just use the built in task killer on our phones.. (hold the home button and press task manager)
Yeah really shouldn't have to be killing things that often and if you do ever need to that's why there's a built in task manager.
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Leave it alone. Android 2.2 + manages tasks for you. Task killers cause instability. Just use the built in task killer on our phones.. (hold the home button and press task manager)
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No matter what people say, there are programs that are not handled properly by Froyo's built in memory handler. If you use a task killer to kill autoreloading tasks (like MAPS for google navigation) then you are causing battery drain by you killing them and then them reloading. If you know what tasks are reloaders, then you can select them to be ignored by the task killer. Some programs hog phone RAM and do not release it like the stock internet browser. Knowing this, I use the Advanced Task Killer for Froyo to kill the browser and make more RAM available for other things.
So yes, use it BUT with proper knowledge of when and how.
Watchdog FTMFW (look it up on the market). Had their widget on my homescreen pretty much from the day I started using Android. Old-style task killers are BS.
If you use the back key or pre-designed exit key, you will close apps properly and they will only rarely reappear. It's part of the Andriod design.
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So yes, use it BUT with proper knowledge of when and how.
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Yes, this is important. In general, don't use them, but some people don't code their apps right.
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Nay, but as stated some apps just suck, I always take the time to test the app...
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I will throw my 2 cents in here for good measure. As far as I can tell, my setup appears to get me generally better battery life than the rest of users, so I believe that qualifies me to comment .
I have used and tested Task Killers since I got my Epic, my first android phone, this passed November. Yes, I still use one. It's called Advanced Task Killer. It's free, and it's simple. As mentioned in a previous post, and by myself many times before, certain tasks will reload with impunity no matter what you do. Aside from freezing these services, which may result in instability in certain instances, you can't stop this. And continually causing them to restart will drain more battery rather than saving any. Which brings me to my main point:
NEVER USE AUTO-KILL! Simply use a task killer widget to "clean up" before you lock your phone, nothing more. If you use it in this way, like me, you'll see battery improvement. Just also ensure to set certain system services to the ignore list to avoid issues.
Cool thanks guys ur input helps alot!
If anything, best bet is a memory tweaker. like "autokiller memory optimizer." I'm sure thats what your looking for =) it's not a task killer.
i used a task manager/killer back in the G1 1.5 days but nowadays android does a much better job of managing memory so a task killer is really not needed anymore in my opinion.
I've used for months without any problems.. I don't kill the essential processes.. just the apps.
Web browsing is MUCH faster if I kill apps before going to the web. It gives more free RAM to cache pages.
Has anyone had any luck with Startup Auditor since Froyo? It doesn't seem to actually do anything when comparing the disabled programs in its list with what is "running" according to the phone Manage Apps setting.
rando991 said:
Has anyone had any luck with Startup Auditor since Froyo? It doesn't seem to actually do anything when comparing the disabled programs in its list with what is "running" according to the phone Manage Apps setting.
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I'll almost guarantee you that they are just restarting. Thats why taskkillers dont work in 2.2.x, because it just "restarts" them.
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Thanks, that's what I thought.
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Thanks, that's what I thought.
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Yeah, google removed the code for taskkillers in froyo.
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Has anyone seen any benefits in using task killers or managers on the Evo? Has it helped or made battery life worse ? Do we even need them with the Evo ?
in my experience the phone runs smoother if you keep running tasks to a minimum. i have an app called ES Task Manager and it comes with a widget that has one touch kill all. i hit that and turn off the screen when i'm not going to be messing with the phone for awhile.
I used to use Advanced Task Killer (ATK) and loved it until one day my phone would not work whatsoever. It kept force closing HTC Sense and I had to do a hard reset last week. It was very upsetting and the sprint technician said the task killer was to blame.
I agree. I switched from Advanced Task Killer to ES and it's great. Really helps out battery and smoothness. I can get about 12-16 hours per charge when doing that with normal use.
What's ES?
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I use Damage Control 3.2.2.1 with its built in killer set at 150 MB with Advanced Settings Part 2 Laptop_OOM activated and JIT. Banned everything except Facebook.
Then I use autostarts to stop programs from starting up at boot, speeding up boot time and using less power.
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I can usually get about a day and a half of regular use before I reach 10%.
Best tip? Don't use any task killers..
At most use autostarts and thats it.
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What's ES?
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I have become an believer in task killers - I use ES ( search market for: estrongs )
Increased battery life and smoothness, just make sure to not have it kill the HTC processes and you'll be good
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Estrongs task manager
Task killers are a bad idea on Android. It's best to just let the OS do its own memory management. The only reason to use a task killer is as a last resort for a rogue app or something like that.
There's a thread about this around here with a detailed explanation as to why this is true and how memory management works in Android. I can't copy and paste because I'm sending this from my phone. And I'm lazy.
Autokiller and autostarts are probably the only two apps that make sense to use and this is to enhance management, not override the built in management like task killers do.
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Ugh this is why I hate the debate.
Some people say use it... some people say Android's memory management is fine.
My ATK usage is simple. I close programs that I do not use and won't start any FC's.
So basically after I'm done playing a game, I use ATK to close out of it.
I leave most things open unless it's like Sprint Zone or something.
I decided to be less lazy for once.
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
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simply put, if you have any linux experience you'll realize why task killers aren't neccessary like in a windows mobile platform device.
I use ATK. As far as battery life, I haven't seen an increase or decrease, but the phone runs smoother and sometimes an app gets stuck, so I kill that sob off.
Use Autostarts only. It is a permission manager--not a task-killer.
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mgraham361 said:
I decided to be less lazy for once.
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
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That article is bogus. If you analyze the evidence and the conclusion presented there, it's a non sequitur.
Your mom is a non-sequitur.
That article is a total sequitur xD
You need to be more explicit.
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I tried ATK since the BB Mobile guys were pushing hard for you to install it before you even left the store with the phone. I gave ATK an honest try, and experimented with most of the settings. At the end of the test, I found that ATK didn't really help me. That being said, my battery life is much better now since I moved for the rooted stock image to Fresh 0.3.
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I tried ATK since the BB Mobile guys were pushing hard for you to install it before you even left the store with the phone. I gave ATK an honest try, and experimented with most of the settings. At the end of the test, I found that ATK didn't really help me. That being said, my battery life is much better now since I moved for the rooted stock image to Fresh 0.3.
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Heh, BB Mobile reps always act like they're experts. These guys know less than the average XDA forum reader. They'll have you think otherwise though!
As much as I disliked the idea of not managing my own processes, be it by manually killing them or with some automatic thresholds, after some reading, I decided to let Android handle things as it was designed to do.
To satisfy my itch for being "in control", I downloaded (from the market, for free) an app called MinFreeManager, which allows for you to tweak the parameters for Android's memory management. I also read a suggestion from Flipz to use AutoStarts to better control what apps are starting, and when. AutoStarts basically lists events within Android and allows you to toggle if an app should run or not.
That said, I've noticed my Evo has been very smooth and responsive. I periodically open TaskKiller to see how much available memory there is and to be nosy. The truth is that apps do clean up and are disposed of properly by Android. Give it a shot for a few days. What's the harm?
I am a noob when it comes to android phones so anything will help! I have been told and pretty sure I read something about task killers being bad for your android phone??? Is this true? I currently use Advanced Task Manager free. Is this a good task manager? If not does anyone know of one thats better. I tried to search the forumn but was unable to find anything on this subject...I'm probably just searching wrong. Any knowledge will help!
Try searching the Q&A forum
Don't use task killers is the bottom line.
Use Google search to find out about google and task killers.
avoid them like the plague
Not. It's stepping on Androids toes. If you really need a kill an app (froze or its just using a lot of battery), you can do it in Android itself in Applications.
i noticed i acctually get more battery life with out a task killer, android will close out programs as it needs the memory any way so have had better performance with out it. the Sprint rep actually installed mine on my phone when i bought it so was suprised to learn all this at first but has long sense proven true
Been using Advanced Task Manager since I had my G1 and have not noticed any negative effects. The browser alone takes up a considerable amount of interal memory and does not close on exit. Task managers are good as long as you know how to use them and exclude system applications or user apps that you want to stay running like widgets and such. They may not improve battery life that much, but they help free up internal memory. However, if you're running a Froyo rom, they're pretty much useless until the app devs update the way they work. Froyo doesnt allow them to kill the app, just background data.
Here's some pretty clear literature on why you absolutely do not need them.
While I agree that a task killer is not needed it is not bad. I mean using one wont cause damage to your phone or anything. Some people get better battery with one and some get better battery without. I just avoid task killers because I had a bad experience. I use my phone as an alarm and one day it did not go off because I had killed the clock app. Ofcourse you can use a task killer and not have this problem by setting apps to ignore but after several weeks of not using it I noticed my battery is not better or worse so to each his own.
BTW I also used advanced task manager and thats a perfectly good task manager if you do decide to keep using it.
Best thing you can do is install and use it for a couple days to see if you like it. I have used one since my Droid and would not consider uninstalling. I notice an immediate improvement in the smoothness of my phone while using, and a noticeable choppiness when not using. Your mileage may vary, but I would give it a shot for yourself vs. just listening to others opinions.
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While I agree that a task killer is not needed it is not bad. I mean using one wont cause damage to your phone or anything.
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If you kill a task and free up memory, Android just fills up that memory again with a program of its own choosing. If it needs the memory, it intelligently pulls programs out of memory on its own.
Is it good or bad for the phone?
I'm getting mixed information....
Thanks
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from a spec perspective, the phone should be able to handle multitasking fine. though in terms of software, it may vary. certain apps use a ton of power when running in the background so a task killer can be handy. though the android dev team hates task killers cause android technically doesn't need it and it can cause FCs on apps.
Our phones don't need it. I quit using task killers when I got the Vibrant. Tell you the truth I never noticed a difference with or without it.
i use it maybe once a day because i dont want any apps running in the bg eating my battery
technically, they lost most of their use after Android 2.1 became standard and just like what has been said before they weren't that great to begin with unless you used a ton of apps. You're better off using Cachemate every now and then. Most users really don't need a task killer app. Its just a waste of time.
Auto Task Killer just reconfigures the OS to kill idle tasks quicker. Without it, my G1 running 2.1 crawls after an hour of use (same with my ZT-180 Android Tablet running 2.1). With it, my G1/ZT-180 run fairly fast. I never "use" it, I just configure it and forget about it.
I have not put ATK on my G2 yet as everyone says not to use it on Froyo. I don't understand why not to though. I may try it if my G2 starts slowing down. Hopefully that will never happen.
It doesn't take tons of apps to slow it down, just a few that insist on remaining in memory for no reason (which is most apps with widgets, even if you are not using the widget)
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Another great feature of Android is smart power consumption, along with the solid memory management. Power shouldn't really be an issue.
I used to use TasKiller on my G1 and it made even CM6 choppy as could be. FC's, nothing ran smooth, tons of lag opening stuff. In theory, Android runs a service and TasKiller tries to kill it, so Android runs it again, and it loops again and again; this eats cpu and resources like crazy. They day I uninstalled TasKiller from my G1 was the day that blew my mind on how fast the phone still was with CM6. That was the ONE thing I did... No changes except uninstalling the task killer, and that change made my phone ~4x faster.
Now I have a G2 and no task killer of any sort.
It's bad! Android is set up this way too preserve battery life and functionality. Its like putting your computer on stand by. Nothing is running but you know its on. By "killing"certain apps, you are making the os realize that something it needs is not there and then haas to reopen it which wastes battery and functionality worse than just letting it stay a process in the background. Under application settings there is a menu that says running services.if an app is giving you a hard time, you can force close from there. Task killers are a waste of time and do more harm than good.
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If you want to get more specific, here's how the Android system works with memory and application management:
GeekFor.Me Article
It's a good read, but if it's TLDR then here's the summary:
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* Android is hard coded to automatically kill a task when more memory is needed.
* Android is hard coded to automatically kill a task when it’s done doing what it needs to do.
* Android is hard coded to automatically kill a task when you haven’t returned to it in a long time.
* Most services (while possibly running in the background) use very little memory when not actively doing something.
* A content provider is only doing something when there is a notification for it to give. Otherwise it uses very little memory.
* Killing a process when it isn’t ready only causes it to have to reload itself and start from scratch when it’s needed again.
* Because a task is likely running in the background for a reason, killing it will only cause it to re-spawn as soon as the activity that was using it looks for it again. And it will just have to start over again.
* Killing certain processes can have undesirable side effects. Not receiving text messages, alarms not going off, and force closes just to name a few.
* The only true way to prevent something from running at all on your phone would be to uninstall the .apk.
* Most applications will exit themselves if you get out of it by hitting “back” until it closes rather than hitting the “home” button. But even with hitting home, Android will eventually kill it once it’s been in the background for a while.
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Absolutely useless
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I see that people have those apps running; its in the status bar.. but is recommended? I just want to make the use of the phone to run on its max without performance loss, as we all. But before, in other forums.. Froyo didn't need any of that... ??????
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I use auto memory manager..
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no, they're not needed. the OS will handle that got you and if you do need to kill an app or service, you can do it in Settings > Applications.
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Android is pretty good at battery and performance management so not really.
Ok thanks..i just see pictures of the apps being runand I just wonder if we need it or why people use them.. Or is it just because to make them feel better
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I use a task manager, back in the day with the g1 it really helpped out saving bettery life im not so sure how much extra life I'm going to get with the g2 but we'll see
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I think it is needed seeing as how apps just start and run on their own.
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I think it is needed seeing as how apps just start and run on their own.
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Yeah, just once in a while kill some programs, and you'll be fine.
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Yeah, just once in a while kill some programs, and you'll be fine.
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Sure but you dont need a task killer to do that. Just go to Settings - Running Services and then just touch whatever service you want to kill.
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Just in case you haven't seen this:
As long as you aren't put off by rooting for some reason, the following thread can help you disable all applications of your choosing from booting up (and the settings stay after a reboot). Goodbye Photobucket and Amazon.
Edit: Err, forgot to add: following that, you will rarely ever need to kill any processes, as the unwanted ones should be off anyway.
task killers usually just kill your available resources:
http://lifehacker.com/5650894/andro...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
But is it true that in g2 u can not kill ana app like in older version, u have to force stop? I find my self doing that.
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U don't really need a task killer. I don't anymore. I just force stop only the apps that hang or stop responding other than that what's the point of killing an app if its just gonna start back up. 2.2 does a really good job of memory management anyway. If u don't want an app running in the background temp root and uninstall it.
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From what I remember reading, in Froyo their Kill API is handled different in such that the application/service isn't really "killed" it just restarts.
I could be wrong, but my understanding is that memory management and simply just management as a whole is much better in Froyo. I only use a task manager just to see what's running. If something does go haywire or hangs, then I'd step in. Otherwise, I just like the information being displayed; makes me feel like I know what's running back there.
This is from the developer of Mobile Defense:
"Note, we do not recommend installing task killer applications. These type of apps have the ability to kill other running applications with the promise of freeing memory. Not only are these apps unnecessary but they also waste battery and introduce instability by killing necessary processes. Google Android Engineers and leading Android developers are beginning to speak out against task killer apps:
hxxp://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
hxxp://droidtalk.net/should-i-install-a-task-managerkiller-on-my-android-device/
hxxp://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/04/multitasking-android-way.html
And my favorite, with Cyanogen Twitter quotes:
hxxp://androinica.com/2010/05/07/google-and-cyanogen-comments-imply-task-killermanager-apps-are-pointless/
Even the developer of Advance Task Manager admits that it's not needed on new devices!
Arron La, developer of Advance Task Manager, suggests that task killers are more important for legacy devices like the G1 and phones running older versions of Android.
“Task Managers were absolutely needed in the past before the new services UI came out in Android 2.0 or 2.1,” La said in an e-mail. “Task Managers had a niche of allowing users to quickly kill services associated with apps – including all the other stuff as well, such as alarms – but that was the only way to do it before the introduction of the new services UI.”
Task killers only cause problems and eat up your battery.
Taskillers only for Android < 2.1
On Android 2.1 and later there is no need for task killers, the OS handles memory and apps much more efficiently than in older versions of Android.
Task killers were needed for the best performance on Android before 2.1 but overusing them could be detrimental to performance also.
My general rule is no task killers on 2.1 and later versions but sparring use of task killers on anything earlier.
To me taskers kill ur battery because they r always running. I use hot reboot it restarts the phone from bootscreen not from the slash. So it takes me about 14 too 17 secs to restart my phone. Sense i use my phone for almost everything. Rebooting to kill all apps and start from fresh is good for me sense it takes no time to do so.
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Hey, I noticed that in the screenshots section that everyone has a task killer, aren't they bad for android? I've read that they were needed for android 2.1 and down, not after Froyo.
So, do I need one? Why? Why not?
Thanks guys.
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ajt1995 said:
Hey, I noticed that in the screenshots section that everyone has a task killer, aren't they bad for android? I've read that they were needed for android 2.1 and down, not after Froyo.
So, do I need one? Why? Why not?
Thanks guys.
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samsung roms (even stock) have default task killer called "Task Manager", for active apps and if you go to Settings > Applications > Running Services, you can kill apps running in the background or cached processes. The difference is, the default tasker does not have a "Kill All" feature.
Task killer is, well not recommended, because Android has "Low memory Killer" feature, which, from the word itself, Android will kill apps as memory is needed.
It's still up to you if you want the default tasker, or a 3rd party one.
I hate that Samsung put that there. I've always been told that you let android do its job, unless there is a runaway process.
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If you ask me a task killer gets you more battery life and helps reduce data usage by killing apps that you are not acctually using.
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yes but even if you kill some apps they reopen on their own. I am referring to the stock Rogers rom and that dam AP program.
the reason task killers are considered bad is becausw most people blindly kill everything. your phone has a lot of tasks it will automatically relaunch, thus wasting more processor time in the end. if you pay attention to which processes these are and exclude them from your kill list, you can safely use a task killer.
i also suggest apps like autostarts, lots of stuff like to start that dont need to.
im newly registered but not new here! just picked up a glide yesterday and put cwm/osi on already. a keyboard is a must for me and this was the nicest phone i found with one. my d1 was overdue for retirement. i use sipgate/google voice for free calling, texts and vms (wifi) so thankfully carrier didnt matter. very happy with this thing so far. cant wait to see some ics roms?
Advanced task killer shows you which apps automatically restart and lets you disable them from being killed
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Automated task killers generally are bad voodoo because they interfere with Android's own memory management system. Android micromanages memory like you wouldn't believe, and task killers will only slow things down by interfering with it. In particular, you'll lose significant performance and battery life as the phone works harder to reopen apps that could have just been sitting around in otherwise unused memory as intended by the OS. (And of course, the auto-re-open thing mentioned above.) I used to keep a task killer on my OG to troubleshoot misbehaving apps (sometimes killing the process and forcing it to restart would right some issues), but now that Android has the running services dialog, there really is no need for task killers at all.
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my d1 was overdue for retirement.
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So I'm not the only one upgrading from an OG!
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So I'm not the only one upgrading from an OG!
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It was an excellent phone. Mine finally locked up the other night while I was out and totally died. Doesn't even get the M Moto symbol when you start it up. It had been dropped countless times, entirely submerged in a puddle, whiskey spilled on it. But it soldiered on until the other night. I was even running a very broken ICS ROM (dead project now) on it and it was just as fast CM7. I ran it constantly at 1GHz which impressive for a phone that was stock 550Mhz. Most phones, even the Glide, you can't overclock by more than double like the D1. The fastest kernel I ever had on it, I had edited a version of ChevyNo1's 1.2Ghz kernel to allow 1.3Ghz. I ran it like that for a few days and it was stable.
Great phone. It truly deserves a burial at sea with a 21 gun salute.