Develop Bugs

Warm Twopointtwo No camera

To start off.. as if its not obvious enough (if this isnt dev thread worthy) Im an xda forum noob. But familiar with roms and kernels etc.
I have #0004 hardware, white, Evo. Flashed warm twopointtwo RLS5, which is my favorite so far. Ive tried manymanymany kernels and yet no camera (i open camera app and i get just a black screen). All kingx kernels past #7. Netarchy more aggressive v7 and ziggy kernels and more. Ziggy and stock are the only ones that have working cameras... but suck up battery..
Are there any camera fixes, or ROMS as fast as kingx that should fix my problem
p.s. dont tell me i need to wipe my caches, ive tried that...
cauk's format all.zip or whatever doesnt work.

nilesskate2 said:
as if its not obvious enough (if this isnt dev thread worthy) Im an xda forum noob.
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So you know you're doing it wrong but decided to post anyway?

Jesus just help the man out, rather than being counterproductive and just flaming him for posting in the wrong area.
As for the issue, search up some ROMS where people are reporting camera to work for hardware #0004.

aph said:
So you know you're doing it wrong but decided to post anyway?
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i think it IS worthy of this category considering it needs developement level help, and the answer isnt anywhere else. but there are always haters.

questions are meant for the Questions section. simple as that. people just cant seem to grasp that concept.

Ive seen this problem reported by many in the myn thread, wanted a separate discussion since its not getting solved there... and i as well as others with this problem am very attached to myn's masterpiece

ronnybej60 said:
questions are meant for the Questions section. simple as that. people just cant seem to grasp that concept.
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this is hardly a frequently asked question, but a dev discussion (hopefully, if i get to stop defending my validity)

nilesskate2 said:
this is hardly a frequently asked question, but a dev discussion (hopefully, if i get to stop defending my validity)
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Again, this isnt a question section nor a discussion section. It is a section meant for developers to post their work.
If you do have a question about someone's work, ask it in the corresponding thread, not create a whole new one to clutter the forums.

I consider this less clutter considering it came from a thread of almost 4 thousand pages. And I was unaware that this was just for posting work, hard to tell since it isn't labeled such. So if this really isn't going anywhere. Let this post be deleted -_-
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nilesskate2 said:
i think it IS worthy of this category considering it needs developement level help, and the answer isnt anywhere else. but there are always haters.
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It still shouldn't go here. But from his post he obviously wasn't sure. So just help him and move the thread.

dude... you need a kernel based off htc 15. thats why all the nets sbc v7's (which are built on older kernels) dont work. flash one of net's newest (4.3+) kernels or stock htc 15 and dont post in the wrong section.

I have posted in the wrong thread before myself. Its amazing how many people are waiting to flame someone for it.
If flashing a different kernel doesn't work you can try flashing this. Just make sure you backup first.

Myn's RL5 actually comes with htc kernel #15, did that kernel not work for you?

There were a few people with 004 models having issues with VirusZ rom and the 004 cam fix solved their issues.

aha. this thread adds nothing to the development community. It belongs in his thread or q&a.
Try the camera fix posted by calk.

I just tried netarchys most recent kernel (as a flamer suggested) which works.. and now I'm baffled as to why nothing else works including kingxs latest... and BTW, it did work on 15, but there were so many problems with it i couldn't use it
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nilesskate2 said:
I just tried netarchys most recent kernel (as a flamer suggested) which works.. and now I'm baffled as to why nothing else works including kingxs latest... and BTW, it did work on 15, but there were so many problems with it i couldn't use it
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Not all phones like all kernels... its just how it is.
You set your self up to be flamed. have no one but yourself to blame

dmoses1969 said:
There were a few people with 004 models having issues with VirusZ rom and the 004 cam fix solved their issues.
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I've tried that fix on multiple kernels, a couple times it fixed the camera.
but everytime it caused glitchy vertical lines at every screen
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As a last comment before I let this thread die, by letting flamers flame, and moderators moderate. How about you folks not complain about posts like mine and instead, You rally for a subtitle under the development forum link that states "do not use any initiative to get valid problems solved here, do not discuss with development familiar folks about development level problems as this title suggests.. but DO use it for posting your software... nothing else"
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Wow White Knights made it out pretty early in this thread.
It's really simple. Big sticky that says this isn't Q&A. This is Q&A and no ROM development or Android development. It's someone who knows better, posting a Question in the Development section. If you have a question about a specific ROM, suck it up like everyone else and ask in that thread.
Follow the rules.
Back to the White Knights: Stop defending people who break the rules. This protect the ignorant mentality is baffling.
Sadly, answering these questions just leads to more and more cluttering crap in the development threads making it harder to find stuff than it already is.
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You rally for a subtitle under the development forum link that states "do not use any initiative to get valid problems solved here, do not discuss with development familiar folks about development level problems as this title suggests.. but DO use it for posting your software... nothing else
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Uh dude, there has always been a big STICKY on this forum that says exactly what you just said. "Thread DELETED/Locked??? This is DEVELOPMENT section not Q&A/General!!!!"
And once more like has been said time and time again. If you have an issue with a ROM, suck it up like the rest of us and post in that ROM Dev's forum or PM them.

why ten post

All I want is to post my questions and answers in the rom forum of my choice

ya, i thought that was dumb too. i dont really care about the rest, just trying to figure out this rom

What rom would the be

The ten post limit is because alot of new members post questions in the dev section. If you are a general user of xda then a ten post limit is nothing.
Maybe try a different heading thay describes your problem in a nutshell. By the way what is your problem, you never said.
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Answer in this thread ten times and you will get your ten post
I agree with the ten post rule and actually believe it should be a higher number
Or even better if you had to be approved by a mod to be able to.post in the Dev section
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Yeah, it is not that hard to get ten posts. Besides all you really need to do is read for a while. The development section is for the pros not for the questions that have been asked a thousand times
That is what this section is for!

i8qbert said:
Yeah, it is not that hard to get ten posts. Besides all you really need to do is read for a while. The development section is for the pros not for the questions that have been asked a thousand times
That is what this section is for!
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You could at least post your "10" in different threads....

If they want the development section to be developers, than I can understand that but it seems strange to ask a question about say, Myn's Warm TwoPointTwo here rather than on a thread about it.

srvxda said:
If they want the development section to be developers, than I can understand that but it seems strange to ask a question about say, Myn's Warm TwoPointTwo here rather than on a thread about it.
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Not at all, actually. While myself and others are also guilty of posting such banter in ROM threads, that isn't where it actually belongs. Questions posted in the ROM threads should be posted only if they're concerning the actual development of the ROM rather than the usual "how do I...?" or "wow, this Rom is great, thanks dev!".
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=713251
It appears a reminder may be in order, about the purpose of the development fora on XDA.
If you have developed a ROM, or are working with others to do so, the development forum is somewhere to discuss and share ideas, post useful feedback and logs or crash dumps, and to discuss a common goal developers are trying to achieve.
It is NOT the place to post your question because it gets higher traffic, or because more experienced users frequent it. Doing this just annoys those who are working on the device, and drives them away. Developers don't want to wade through 20 threads of "Help me urgently" to find their threads for porting and fixing camera issues etc. Similarly, if a thread is designated as discussion for developers say, porting a camera fix, please do not post in there asking "When will it be ready?", "Can I flash this yet?" etc. This is both completely disrespectful to those working on the project (you evidently haven't read the important posts in the thread), and also is making it harder for developers to find comments from other developers or testers when required.
Similarly, don't make loads of "Thanks for your work here" posts in an active development thread. It's just as annoying to developers as asking when something will be ready. If a ROM is complete, then go ahead and thank the developer if you wish, but don't go into threads for devs only, and interrupt it to post "thanks". It's basically spamming, and is treated as such.
If you are posting in development, you should have read every sticky and notice there, and should be actively developing or helping in the development of something. Developing isn't installing a ROM, or using a tweak, it's creating a ROM or other hack or tweak. If you haven't read for several days before starting out on XDA, you are likely about to ask something already solved. I registered on XDA when I first wanted to post, and that was to join in a discussion on something. Sure, join up and ask a question, but read the information available in General and Q&A first, as your question will have been asked before. Search is your friend here, become familiar with it.
Regarding when to post in development if you are not actually developing something, there is one occasion where it's acceptable. If you find a leak of a new ROM, which isn't already posted, and you verify it's legitimacy via either running it, or based on the source you obtained it from, then this is assisting in development, and should be posted in development. If you want to ask when a leak will be available use search first, then if not already in discussion, open a thread in general or Q&A.
If you have a problem flashing a ROM, this is NOT related to development. It's up to you to determine if it is specific to a particular ROM, and post useful information in that developer's existing thread for the ROM. If it happens on more than one ROM, and isn't a known issue (remember you should read several times more words than you post), then find out what you are doing wrong. Check guides written by others, try to repeat the problem and see if it happens every time. Something needs to be reproducible to be fixed effectively.
Once you have identified what you need help with go to the device Q&A forum (general if device lacks one), and make a clear, informative thread that explains the issue, and what you have tried doing to fix it. Did you re-download the ROM? Did you ask a friend to flash it for you, to reduce chance of user error? What steps (exactly) did you follow? What errors did you see (exact wording)? Did you double check all the steps? Did you do a wipe or hard reset?
If you make a clear, concise, yet detailed post, you will find help forthcoming, and should get the problem sorted very quickly. If someone suggests you try something, report back on what happened, did it work etc. Then, next time someone has this issue and searches, they will find this and have a verified and tested solution.
So remember... before you start a thread in development, ask yourself what you are developing. If you can't answer, then stop, step away from the post button, and think about where you are posting. Would it be better in General or Q&A, or is some more time with your best friend, search, required?
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Ten posts?
I tend to read and only contribute if I have something to say. Not in this case! Now I have to post just to post. Gee this is kinda fun. I think I will start posting meaningless drivel on more topics. Thanks ten post rule!

Ya post Hi in the introduction thread then Thank everyone who welcomed you. Hell, there's at least 2 or 3 post. Then check out the development (apps/games) and find something you want there and thank them for their hard work.
10 posts shouldn't take you more than a few days if you're active. Don't need them anyway as the question you're wanting to ask has already been asked.

10 post is annoying, but I understand the reason. Post.

This is the reason for the 10 post rule.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1121527
I realize that this post had over 100 post, but not the place for their post.

My question is why our devs dont have a dev title instead of Senior Member I mean that why some devs leave XDA and get their own website because they don't get the credit or place that they deserve....??

1107963 said:
My question is why our devs dont have a dev title instead of Senior Member I mean that why some devs leave XDA and get their own website because they don't get the credit or place that they deserve....??
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You need to apply for the dev title only some get it i just found out about it like 2 days ago

JoelZ9614 said:
You need to apply for the dev title only some get it i just found out about it like 2 days ago
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I think that makes sense. That way not just anyone can say I am a dev. I think that with the work your guys do it should have some prestige to it.

Dumb
The only reason I use XDA is as a root resource; this is just irritating that I have to post these ten msgs.

[IDEA] Development for the welfare of our community

So why are we the only forum that has to have 40 generals for each rom, why are we not like every other phone where the chat about the rom is done in development? I feel this could alleviate a lot of the "RentaMods." Since i found it to be an easy way to find solutions to many issues... for example the galaxy nexus there roms they don't have 5 different threads for one rom... guess where people talk about the developers rom... in the developer thread... guys i know this is earth-shattering stuff... but let's just keep it simple one thread one rom.
I await my ban with GLORY, but i consider this development since it is essential to our community at e4gt xda since it is causing problems between many users.

this rom is the bomb!!

ethandissi said:
So why are we the only forum that has to have 40 generals for each rom, why are we not like every other phone where the chat about the rom is done in development? I feel this could alleviate a lot of the "RentaMods." Since i found it to be an easy way to find solutions to many issues... for example the galaxy nexus there roms they don't have 5 different threads for one rom... guess where people talk about the developers rom... in the developer thread... guys i know this is earth-shattering stuff... but let's just keep it simple one thread one rom.
I await my ban with GLORY, but i consider this development since it is essential to our community at e4gt xda since it is causing problems between many users.
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I believe this belongs in development too. Because in a way you are Developing a better community.
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riggggght this belongs in dev, isnt this just like trying to be the forum police?? arent there already rules of the forum (stickied at the top of each section) that should take care of this...
as for this whole idea that talking in a dev thread should be fine, most of the chatter is the same damn questions every three pages! if everyone would not be lazy and again follow the forum rules 3/4's of most threads wouldnt exist.

my point is why do we seem to be the only phone that has a clusterfuck of twenty threads instead of a clusterfuck of one thread?

yourm0m1 said:
riggggght this belongs in dev, isnt this just like trying to be the forum police?? arent there already rules of the forum (stickied at the top of each section) that should take care of this...
as for this whole idea that talking in a dev thread should be fine, most of the chatter is the same damn questions every three pages! if everyone would not be lazy and again follow the forum rules 3/4's of most threads wouldnt exist.
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Furthermore devs can request their threads be only development only, like the case of the CM9 thread, but why would we respect their wishes?
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ethandissi said:
my point is why do we seem to be the only phone that has a clusterfuck of twenty threads instead of a clusterfuck of one thread?
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i dont see why it matters what the general or q&a sections look like or amount of threads, thats what they are there for. why should everyone have the right to turn a dev thread into a clusterfuck?? as for the rest of the forums i only frequent the nook color section and the dev section is HEAVILY moderated and respected

I came from the EVO ROM section it's not half as ridiculous as this forum when it comes to being watched. I don't think I ever posted in the general section for a ROM. Yes the questions get redundant but most of the time it's just as easy to answer the question as it is to ***** that it's in the wrong section or that it's a frequently answered question. Not to mention that a lot of people troll these roms from tapatalk or the xda apps which offers virtually no convenient search functionality. yes Google works but not half as well a everyone acts like it does. It took me 30 minutes to search for a specific thing that had been "talked about frequently" in the forum through google. but could have been answered easily enough and in less time then it took to post a lmgtfy link. it's a forum people are going to ask questions it's the purpose of the site period.

All it comes down to is this.
Certain devs request certain guidelines for their development threads.
Do they have the right to request that?
I think so.
And being as the devs make the community, their wishes should be respected.
Not ignored and spit on.
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Plus have you looked at the general section lately? People post **** about iPads.....iPads! Which have absolutely nothing to do with e4gt at all! fav modems, games, stupid **** that has no specifics about a particular rom at all. Random rants who wants to dig through that kind of **** to find an answer to a question that a developer or senior member who has been in the forum for a bit can answer in a short conscious answer. I answer plenty of noob questions because I know a while ago I was in the same place.

I don't consider myself a "DEVELOPER" but I've posted couple of roms.
I don't want to have multiple threads for my roms because it will take more time from me to follow all of them.
I think, if you have questions, bug reports, problems with my rom you should ask, talk, report them in rom thread so the members of the forum who use my development can find all the questions and answers in one thread.
And it's easier for me to keep eye on all problems related to my rom.
Just my $0.02.

samuel346 said:
this rom is the bomb!!
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THANKS!
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samuel346 said:
this rom is the bomb!!
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ethandissi said:
THANKS!
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This is exactly the type of junk which QA and General are trying to keep out of the Dev forums..

And now we have one more!!! [idea]:what:
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This ROM is giving me the blue led light of death!

This thread is a travesty.
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OP has a point... in the OG epic forums most threads had just the dev thread, and the threads could be really helpful and relatively BS free, like midNIGHT, or 500 pages of insanity like viper or ACS... but really there wasnt ever ROM threads in general. I assumed this was an EVO thing, as I had heard that forum was nuts with kids posting inane crap and flaming... idunno. It seems like this phone attracts a lot of disgruntled people... tons of minimodding and attitude... sad really. Its not like the community for this phone is so big that we cant keep out dev threads relatively clutter free, but some members choose to flame everyone who asks a ROM RELATED question in the ROM thread... makes no sense. If you REALLY feel you need to censor and judge the validity of every post in the precious Dev section, DONT respond with another post, ignore them till someone helpful (theres usually one or two who 'troll' every rom helping people out... bastards...) answers their question, and YOU flag the oh so offensive post and even PM a mod, maybe we will get a clearer picture that the minimodding creates WAY more posts than the questions or occasional side topic.
Also, I think this is a little different now, as back on the OG Epic, a lot of dev discussion was done in the threads, not IRC (I havent been in a chatroom since like '99) or ROM specific websites, or PM.... everyone was involved. Really if you weed out everything that isnt ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT of the given ROM in a thread, you would have about two pages... so whats the point of the Dev section? I think theres a lot of much undeserved elitism going on where people dont want to be bothered by all the tapatalk notifications because someone else has a question... try just actually looking at the thread and see if theres an update to the OP or something... but lighten up... this phone has a lot of stick up the ass people... get over yourself.

To be honest, I pretty much only see 2 threads at most for a given rom, one in general and one in development. If you hear of a general thread being referred to, then it shouldn't be hard to find and use it.
Want to hear ironic? For whatever reason, the general thread gets ignored, so the dev thread is overrun. Where do people move to continue development, teamwork, and quality help? The general thread.
When did you first see the aokp rom? :sly:
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I agree with OP about the need for only one thread. I've been on Xda since the G1 days...never seen anything like it. Problem is that Android is more widespread these days...means lots of newbs.
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agat63 said:
I don't consider myself a "DEVELOPER" but I've posted couple of roms.
I don't want to have multiple threads for my roms because it will take more time from me to follow all of them.
I think, if you have questions, bug reports, problems with my rom you should ask, talk, report them in rom thread so the members of the forum who use my development can find all the questions and answers in one thread.
And it's easier for me to keep eye on all problems related to my rom.
Just my $0.02.
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And if would have read earlier in the thread you'd see that the decision to have two threads (one for questions and such and another for development) is totally up to the developer of the ROM himself.
While some don't want that, others do.
And I don't see what's so hard about complying with what they want.
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Dev section for devs only

Can we make the development section only accessible to rom developers? That will stop all the questions and clutter in the development section and will force people to ask questions in the q&a and will have it so if people wanna thank the development they just hit the thank you button instead of posting it.
I think it would be cleaner. Since only devs can post they can help each other out and post relevant code and hacks.
What does everyone think?
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I think it's a great idea as long as the devs post a 2nd thread in Q&A for us.
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I don't speak for the dev's but from what I've read they seem to get helped by user comments. Now the random thanks and "OMG"s are useless but I think user comments are very helpful, lets developers identify bugs faster and see if there is a bug that develops if a user installs in a certain way or not...

I don't think this approach would be feasible. Mainly, how do you define someone as a developer? Many people have all sorts of working knowledge regarding Linux and Android and can provide valuable information to ROM developers yet they themselves would not be considered a developer.
Furthermore, developers tend to want feedback regarding bugs and workaround for their ROM's.
Just my 2 cents.

Some of the devs don't mind the comments and want as much feedback as they can get so I vote no

This thread is about as useful the posts it's griping about.
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there is nothing wrong with the dev section now besides some users lack self control. if a dev wants the thread to be dev only and has a Q&A thread then practice good judgement and self control and use the Q&A thread if needed.
I don't mind users posting in my threads in the dev section but that's just me.
I don't feel crippling the functionality of a forum board to stop people who practice poor judgement and cannot follow directions from posting, is a good idea for the community as a whole.

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there is nothing wrong with the dev section now besides some users lack self control. if a dev wants the thread to be dev only and has a Q&A thread then practice good judgement and self control and use the Q&A thread if needed.
I don't mind users posting in my threads in the dev section but that's just me.
I don't feel crippling the functionality of a forum board to stop people who practice poor judgement and cannot follow directions from posting, is a good idea for the community as a whole.
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how does one become a dev if they just start deving or has yet to gain RD status?
Totally not needed. If a dev only wants 1 page for their thread they can immediately close the thread and just update the OP when there is a new update. Might as well tell the devs just PM each other lol. not trying to come off mean, but giving some blunt scenarios.

I just feel it would be sort of like a dev only hang out where aspiring developers or can get constructive feedback from fellow developers.
For example let's say someone new has a rom they want to put on the development section. They first post it in the general section, then after a certain "review" process by the xda members it gets upgraded into the development section.
I'm not saying the dev section is bad, but I feel as this is a dev forum, it only makes sense that devs have their own section to discuss codes and hacks, where they can mutually grow and learn.
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Teo032 said:
how does one become a dev if they just start deving or has yet to gain RD status?
Totally not needed. If a dev only wants 1 page for their thread they can immediately close the thread and just update the OP when there is a new update. Might as well tell the devs just PM each other lol. not trying to come off mean, but giving some blunt scenarios.
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Or what about the users like me who just do things on occasion and have chose to not get "Dev" status. want to throw me out in the cold?
Like i said above, with explanation. this is not a good idea and should not be deployed in any form.

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Or what about the users like me who just do things on occasion and have chose to not get "Dev" status. want to throw me out in the cold?
Like i said above, with explanation. this is not a good idea and should not be deployed in any form.
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Well they can have sort of like a "coder" status where you would be able to contribute. I think what I'm trying to get to is having the dev section be mostly about helping other devs and improving roms rather than "thanks a bunch, this is my dd ". I'd want to be able to enter a rom thread and just see information about the rom, improvements that have been made, and when people are replying , they are exchanging ideas on how to fix certain bugs.
I think pm'ing is okay, but not everyone can learn how the process works. And someone like me for example that's trying to learn how to develop roms won't be able to follow the development conversation.
It seems I'm the only one that feels this way I guess.
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hunterhp said:
Well they can have sort of like a "coder" status where you would be able to contribute. I think what I'm trying to get to is having the dev section be mostly about helping other devs and improving roms rather than "thanks a bunch, this is my dd ". I'd want to be able to enter a rom thread and just see information about the rom, improvements that have been made, and when people are replying , they are exchanging ideas on how to fix certain bugs.
I think pm'ing is okay, but not everyone can learn how the process works. And someone like me for example that's trying to learn how to develop roms won't be able to follow the development conversation.
It seems I'm the only one that feels this way I guess.
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I get what you're saying, but in the long run it will be more counter productive to the dev community then people posting "thanks this is my dd"

Or yaldak who has less than 100 hundred posts clearly this is harder than people self regulating and posting q and as

I would be disappointed to see the dev forums go to strictly dev's. I am relatively new to xda. I do not make unnecessary comments and I have donated to 2 devs as an appreciation of their work. I also like to keep up on what is working with new roms or not. It is really the beauty of Android that devs are able to do this at all. Establishing the rules of who could post in such a forum would be interesting as well. maybe stickies at the beginning of each dev forum (i haevn't looked to see if its there) to show how to do log cats might be more helpful and allow the rest of us to provide solid feedback instead of "Thanks" or "thanks...this is my DD" maybe a separate button for This is my daily driver would eliminate a lot of the crap?

What I want to know is how many threads do we need about not posting rhetoric in the dev section, how to regulate the forums, etc...? In the end, this is the same rhetoric clogging other sections.
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jonathan3579 said:
What I want to know is how many threads do we need about not posting rhetoric in the dev section, how to regulate the forums, etc...?
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They probably would go away if threads like the more roms more roms didn't appear in the dev section where the op posted a question in the wrong section then didn't feel like owning up to it so he proceeded to be a jerk to xraver and other posters.

Personally I like the dev board just the way it is
That is the reason I made this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1592170
Update: oops...didnt mean the above link
Meant the ics read me first topic
Not to be over dramatic, but to just help people get started and answer some common questions. The "thanks" posts, while plentiful, are a good thing to me personally because it tells me how many people are having a good experience with the ROM and/or mod. I don't like to shun users in threads; I feel that I do not need to police them. No matter what mechanism we put in place people will still make these posts. That is why we have moderators, to take care of the problem when it gets out of hand. And that is why--when being an OP in the Dev section-- its good to be very detailed and verbose (but not over complex!)
Just my 2 cents, and my personal policy on my own topics.
I am strongly against limiting the dev boards to devs only. I am completely for helping cut down redundancy.

I think that each dev should have control over there threads. Some like the thanks some think its a waste. I side with both, i will say that the devs that do not want thanks as posts should make that clear in the op. The only problem with the threads is there is way to many pages to read thru for sometimes nothing about the rom. I say to fix this someone somehow should keep the op uptodate with any issue that comes up. Now none has to read all the pages to get the info and i know its a lot to ask but its just a thought.

I have always thought the that if you aren't posting a log cat to the bug you speaking about, it's not helping the dev that much. IMO, and I know it don't mean much, if you aren't posting a log cat, don't post in the rom thread. Q&A threads can handle everything else.
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noob question - dev kernel

hey
i want to learn how to make android kernel like the rom developers
what i need to learn first? (i want to dev to i9305 first)
what the programing langue that used for android kernels?

ussl said:
hey
i want to learn how to make android kernel like the rom developers
what i need to learn first? (i want to dev to i9305 first)
what the programing langue that used for android kernels?
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To compile a kernel : http://xda-university.com/as-a-developer/getting-started-building-a-kernel-from-source
Android kernels (which are actually linux kernels) are written in C.
Hacking kernels is not the easiest thing to do for beginner programmers. You need to know a bit about the underlying hardware and debugging is difficult, it's also more risky than app development so know you recovery procedures. Now, disregard what I just said and do it, it's very rewarding.

ussl said:
hey
i want to learn how to make android kernel like the rom developers
what i need to learn first? (i want to dev to i9305 first)
what the programing langue that used for android kernels?
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What part of "Developers Only" in the forum title did you not understand? This is not a Q&A thread for n00bs. For that you need to post in the Q&A section.

TheATHEiST said:
What part of "Developers Only" in the forum title did you not understand? This is not a Q&A thread for n00bs. For that you need to post in the Q&A section.
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Well while you might be partly right about the q&a he cant get the information need from there either. So let him try to join the developer sections if he can manage to do it. No one is a noob forever unless we are pains in the butt and dont help/let them grow and learn.
While I dont know everything about developing I can help you some fell free to PM me or hit me up via hangouts ([email protected]) include your issues/desires when you hit me up since I help whoever I can and cant always keep track of everyone who contacts me. Also dont let people keep you from trying because then we would never have new development or developers. No disrespect @TheATHEiST but damn cut a noob some slack and help out or be quite.

TheATHEiST said:
What part of "Developers Only" in the forum title did you not understand? This is not a Q&A thread for n00bs. For that you need to post in the Q&A section.
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+1

jlmancuso said:
Well while you might be partly right about the q&a he cant get the information need from there either. So let him try to join the developer sections if he can manage to do it. No one is a noob forever unless we are pains in the butt and dont help/let them grow and learn.
While I dont know everything about developing I can help you some fell free to PM me or hit me up via hangouts ([email protected]) include your issues/desires when you hit me up since I help whoever I can and cant always keep track of everyone who contacts me. Also dont let people keep you from trying because then we would never have new development or developers. No disrespect @TheATHEiST but damn cut a noob some slack and help out or be quite.
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You basically just proved my point. You're not a developer but are willing to help him so it proves that he could have simply posted in the correct section which is the Q&A.
He and other n00bs have absolutely no place in a "Developers Only" thread. It quite clearly says so.
It's not about "cutting them some slack" It's about asking them to post in correct sections and NO I will not be "quite" or quiet.
XDA is a mess and hard to sift out info already without you adding to it by basically telling n00bs it's ok to post wherever they want to.

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You basically just proved my point. You're not a developer but are willing to help him so it proves that he could have simply posted in the correct section which is the Q&A.
He and other n00bs have absolutely no place in a "Developers Only" thread. It quite clearly says so.
It's not about "cutting them some slack" It's about asking them to post in correct sections and NO I will not be "quite" or quiet.
XDA is a mess and hard to sift out info already without you adding to it by basically telling n00bs it's ok to post wherever they want to.
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Where is your creds as a dev? Do you have any right to even post here either? You been a member since 08 and given back what? Are you a mod? So take care and talk to you latter funny guy.
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jlmancuso said:
Well while you might be partly right about the q&a he cant get the information need from there either. So let him try to join the developer sections if he can manage to do it. No one is a noob forever unless we are pains in the butt and dont help/let them grow and learn.
While I dont know everything about developing I can help you some fell free to PM me or hit me up via hangouts ([email protected]) include your issues/desires when you hit me up since I help whoever I can and cant always keep track of everyone who contacts me. Also dont let people keep you from trying because then we would never have new development or developers. No disrespect @TheATHEiST but damn cut a noob some slack and help out or be quite.
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jlmancuso said:
Where is your creds as a dev? Do you have any right to even post here either? You been a member since 08 and given back what? Are you a mod? So take care and talk to you latter funny guy.
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At what part did I assert that I was a Dev or a mod???
I was replying to a thread, I was not creating a topic, there is a BIG difference. If a n00b doesn't read a topic title and nobody replies to let him know he is posting in wrong place how is he going to know?
So don't take care and I will not talk to you later funny guy.

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At what part did I assert that I was a Dev or a mod???
I was replying to a thread, I was not creating a topic, there is a BIG difference. If a n00b doesn't read a topic title and nobody replies to let him know he is posting in wrong place how is he going to know?
So don't take care and I will not talk to you later funny guy.
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garyd9 said:
This area is currently experimental and was set up by the XDA Administrators for development discussion. The idea in this section is for developers (not only recognized developers, but all developers) to have a place for discussion threads to "talk shop." What kind of talk? Some topics (that I'm making up as I type this) might include (and are certainly not limited to):
Overriding the power widget in the notification dropdown
Considerations of using gcc versions other than 4.4.3 for compiling the kernel
Exynos: discussion on working around the SOC wake from sleep delay
This isn't a Q&A forum. However, developers might kick off discussions with a question. The difference? This belongs in Q&A: "My phone wakes up slow, will it go faster if I take my sdcard out?" On the other hand, the following might belong in this new section: "Has anyone tried adjusting the mmc detection timeouts to see if there's an impact on the SOC wakeup delays?" The assumption here is that the person asking the latter question actually knows what a mmc detection timeout is, how they'd change it, and has started to play around with it before posting the question.
As well, this section is not for posting finished products or "advertising" of kernels, apps, etc. This section is to discuss the process, not for the end result.
The hope (at least my own hope) is that developers can discuss things here instead of resorting the various other methods of communication we've used. At the same time, newer developers and even non-developers can LEARN from the conversations and eventually participate.
Depending on the reception (and difficulty moderating, probably) this experiment will either be expanded for other device types, completely shut down as a failure, or adjusted. Obviously, if we developers don't use it, it might be considered a waste of time and dissolved.
This section will be very closely moderated by moderators who are also developers and non-development discussion will be harshly dealt with.
I REALLY hope this will encourage more devs to spend time with open communication. This is XDA-Developers. Let's do development.
Edit (Jan 8th, 2013):
Clarifying "finished products" above: The threads in this section will likely spawn off or involve distinct programs/kernels/firmwares , and once a distinct product results, a separate thread
outside of this section should be created for supporting that distinct product. A link to that thread is welcome in the source thread here, but this section shouldn't be used to contain support or release posts.
Take care
Gary
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So this is the section rules. Note statement that mod will watch closely and even states it will help promote development.
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jlmancuso said:
So this is the section rules. Note statement that mod will watch closely and even states it will help promote development.
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Yes but It's not a place for complete newbies to ask basic questions. Those can easily just be asked via the standard Q&A forum. This forum is for devs to discuss development. In my opinion a dev as far as XDA goes is somebody with some sort of level of experience in kernels or roms. Somebody who has experience in neither should post in non-dev forums until they have correct level of experience. There is also a XDA Uni section for newbies to learn this stuff.
This forum is for developers which have some sort of level of experience to ask/discuss.
Plus this question was a general question and not really n7100/05 specific so needs to be in general Android Q&A.

TheATHEiST said:
Yes but It's not a place for complete newbies to ask basic questions. Those can easily just be asked via the standard Q&A forum. This forum is for devs to discuss development. In my opinion a dev as far as XDA goes is somebody with some sort of level of experience in kernels or roms. Somebody who has experience in neither should post in non-dev forums until they have correct level of experience. There is also a XDA Uni section for newbies to learn this stuff.
This forum is for developers which have some sort of level of experience to ask/discuss.
Plus this question was a general question and not really n7100/05 specific so needs to be in general Android Q&A.
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So you think this is a n7100/05 section also? This section is lined to dozens of samsung devices on xda. So leave the moderating to the mods. While I do find conversations with users like you interesting I got to go help others for now.
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jlmancuso said:
So you think this is a n7100/05 section also? This section is lined to dozens of samsung devices on xda. So leave the moderating to the mods. While I do find conversations with users like you interesting I got to go help others for now.
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Run along and play.
PS. I did leave the moderating to the mods, which is why it's been moved to correct section as per my original point Mr smartypants.

This thread has turned into EXACTLY what I didn't want when I envisioned the section...
ussl said:
i want to learn how to make android kernel like the rom developers
what i need to learn first? (i want to dev to i9305 first)
what the programing langue that used for android kernels?
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As has already been quoted, the area is for developers. No, not just RD's, but all developers. However, I've yet to meet a developer that doesn't take the time to research something before they ask questions. In this case, it's pretty obvious that you either aren't a developer, or that you haven't taken any time whatsoever to research the topic first. Have you even bothered to download the kernel source? That's a pretty big giveaway as to what language is used. As well, most source packages give hints as to which compiler is needed (and usually has a strong indication which toolset is preferred.)
I'm not posting this to be nasty - I'm posting it so that you (and others) can understand why this post can cause some pretty caustic replies. I'm a developer myself (and XDA has seen fit to label me as such,) but if I post a question that indicates I've done ZERO research and ZERO searching... and then post it in a section clearly labeled as "for developers only".. I can be assured that I'll get flamed as well.
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What part of "Developers Only" in the forum title did you not understand? This is not a Q&A thread for n00bs. For that you need to post in the Q&A section.
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I didn't bother to quote the rest of your replies... but perhaps simply reporting the post and a quick note that you think it's in the wrong section might be a enough? Even if this thread survives moderation, your replies likely won't...
Take care
Gary