I just got some new batteries for my i-9000. I am wondering, I have always heard LIthium batteries do not like to be fully discharged. I want to perform a calibration on the new battery, but all the battery calibration apps say
1.Fully charge the battery
2.Press calibrate battery button.
3.Run the phone fully flat until the battery dies.
4.Fully charge the battery to 100% uninterrupted.
Now, step 3, going all the way until the phone dies, is that a good thing to do or a bad thing to a new battery?
Letting your cellphone's battery drain until the phone dies is a normal thing that won't damage your battery, because the battery won't really go to 0% charge.
Cellphones always shutdown it-self when the battery levels get too low (like 3%), to avoid the damage it would do in the Li-ion battery if it would go to 0%. So you have nothing to worry about.
yeah mine shuts down around 2-3% percent for that reason. You'll be fine.
thanks.
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just doing it once when you get a new phone or after noticing horrible battery life on a newly flashed ROM can work wonders
other than those times, I only let my phone get to 20-40% before I plug it back in
I Use BOS Gingersense Port From Kingdom, My battery is good and i didnt do that whole discharging,recharging crap.
calibration works for me...
Calibration even worked for me too, on my Galaxy 3. Previously i was getting backup of only 1 day, but after calibration i get around 1.5 days. I know its not much improvement, but still its worth.
And you don't need calibrate frequently. Just once in two weeks is fine. And I've heard that deep discharge once a while is infact good for the battery. Correct me if I'm wrong.
waiting for phone to completely die right now. One question though can I turn on phone while charging or should I just leave it off after dieing?
I called Sammy, they told me letting the phone turn off by itself because the battery can't power it is bad for the battery in the long run, they said you can't really see the bad effect that time, they told me, we have learned on are testing that when you see the low battery message pop up that is where you need to charge the phone, that warning is where the calibration starts, now draining it to the point that the phone turn itself off is bad for the battery. Do you believe that?
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Only if you leave the cell empty.
It's best to recharge a cell as soon as possible if you have discharged it.
Discharge/charge cycles should be kept to a minimum, ie when you first get the battery, when you are sure you need to recalibrate, and when you've got no choice.
Top up charges are best for lithium batteries.
The charging circuitry in the phone should protect the battery from over discharge. It also protects the phone from overcharging. However, just like a spring, it's the constant charge/discharge that damages a battery. I would not run it down every day but it should not damage the battery, only cause it to wear out faster.
Source: I'm an electrical engineer.
Try to avoid frequent full discharges. Occasional full discharges are okay.
Lots of uncertainty here, lol.
A new Li-Ion cell will output ~4.2V when fully charged and ~3V when it is totally discharged. Every single smartphone I've owned would shut down before the cell dropped below 3.5V. Draining your phone's battery until it dies will not hurt the battery or your phone. No worries about batteries catching fire.
Repeated or frequent full discharges will wear your battery out much faster, though.
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Man, I hate starting new threads! I did a simple search and couldn't find this problem anywhere else, so here goes:
Earlier in 2009 I bought an extended 2400mAh battery for my Kaiser (8925). Everything is working just fine, except that I noticed that the phone doesn't seem to notice that the battery life is much better for this new battery.
What I mean is: after a few hours of usage, the battery level drops at a normal rate.
Once the phone tells me the battery is almost dead (and sometimes the phone will shut off if I ignore this), I can shut down the phone, remove the battery, wait a few seconds and then replace it and boot back up the phone.
At this point, the phone will usually tell me that the battery is at 33% to 36% charged. Notice that I did not charge the battery, I just removed it and put it back in.
When I first got the battery, I cycled it completely three times in the phone, removing it twice and replacing it to ensure that the battery was completely drained before charging it to 100%. (Yes, I know that is only recommended for metal-hydrates, but I feel better doing that anyway).
On the top-end, it usually takes about two hours to charge the phone from 30% to 99% via a standard USB2.0 connector.
However, the phone will report that the battery is not fully charged for nearly an hour after reaching 99%.
I know what you are probably thinking; Why is this guy complaining about his battery performing better than his phone reports?
Well, it IS kind of annoying. I would like the phone to properly report the remaining percentage for my own benefit. I really hate having to guess at how much time I have left before I need to drop it off at a computer or wall outlet while I find something else to play with for three or four hours.
So... Does anyone know how I can convince my phone that the battery is pretty awesome and to start reporting the actual battery life?
Flattened my Xoom earlier, as I do everynow and again to full cycle the battery.
Came back to it a bit later and it had charged up to 40 odd %
Used it for a while then it suddenly said the battery was flat and switched off..
Anyone else had this, am I looking at a dead battery or should I just leave it swtiched off and on charge overnight?
Trig0r said:
Flattened my Xoom earlier, as I do everynow and again to full cycle the battery.
Came back to it a bit later and it had charged up to 40 odd %
Used it for a while then it suddenly said the battery was flat and switched off..
Anyone else had this, am I looking at a dead battery or should I just leave it swtiched off and on charge overnight?
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It shouldn't be, lithium ion batteries don't have as intense a memory problem as the old nicad batteries...maybe just wipe the batteries stats in clockwork for good measure and take it from there. Sorry I forgot to mention that this would assume you are rooted. All my Android devices have weird jumps like that, but not usually that extreme.
cool, I'll clear the battery stats and see what it says in the morning.
Clear the stats in the morning after the full night charge not before..
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Good job I checked here before I went to sleep eh
Lithium batteries do not like to go all the way down to dead (so low the device won't even start). They wear alot if you do. There is no reason to cykle them after the first time charge as there is no memory effect on them.
I had a laptop battery partially charged installed in my laptop and did't use it for two weeks. The battery went compleatly dead and when I charged it I only got like 20% into it before it said full. I had to buy a new battery.
So don't leave your XOOM with 1% battery for a long time. If you are not gonna use it for a prolonged time charge it up to about 75% before leaving it.
SEALen is correct, Lithium batteries should not be fully discharged it significantly shortens their lifespan, there is also no memory effect, the only battery type that ever did have one is NiCad.
The best way to keep a lithium battery healthy is to charge little and often, keep it topped up.
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SEALen is correct, Lithium batteries should not be fully discharged it significantly shortens their lifespan, there is also no memory effect, the only battery type that ever did have one is NiCad.
The best way to keep a lithium battery healthy is to charge little and often, keep it topped up.
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+ 1 to your arguments however if he is doing a calibration, i let it get to 1% before charging it again, i dont let it die i watch battery widget pro and watch the mA.. This will not fix a battery but give better indication of its lifespan
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I've brought my Desire Z back for reparation (Mainboard died and replaced by an official repair center).
I've bringed it with my stock Battery fully loaded (I took it from the charger and 30 minutes later it died). When i picked it up, the battery was totally empty. Nothing in it. The Phone didn't even turned on!
It taked a while on the charger, but finally it turned on and was charged to 100% in normal time.
Since that, I experience a huge battery drain. When I release my phone from the charger on 7.30AM, it is dead on 4.30PM with no use! No SMS, phonecall, nothing. Only Gmail sync.
I've tried different ROM's (With- and without sense) and did restore my phone to stock. It doesn't solve my problem, the drain still stays huge, even with no apps installed!!!
I've tried another battery > same problem!
What can this be? Normally, my Desire Z last about 1,5 days oder 2 days when nothing happens. Why it's draining so fast, even if it's not used?
What can I do to resolve this ??
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I've brought my Desire Z back for reparation (Mainboard died and replaced by an official repair center).
I've bringed it with my stock Battery fully loaded (I took it from the charger and 30 minutes later it died). When i picked it up, the battery was totally empty. Nothing in it. The Phone didn't even turned on!
It taked a while on the charger, but finally it turned on and was charged to 100% in normal time.
Since that, I experience a huge battery drain. When I release my phone from the charger on 7.30AM, it is dead on 4.30PM with no use! No SMS, phonecall, nothing. Only Gmail sync.
I've tried different ROM's (With- and without sense) and did restore my phone to stock. It doesn't solve my problem, the drain still stays huge, even with no apps installed!!!
I've tried another battery > same problem!
What can this be? Normally, my Desire Z last about 1,5 days oder 2 days when nothing happens. Why it's draining so fast, even if it's not used?
What can I do to resolve this ??
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try a new battery? Reset battery stats and give it a few days to actually get accurate readings? 8 hours isn't unheard of especially if your battery is giving up the ghost. give those thigns a try and maybe turn off sync and/or data to see if that makes a differance.
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try a new battery? Reset battery stats and give it a few days to actually get accurate readings? 8 hours isn't unheard of especially if your battery is giving up the ghost. give those thigns a try and maybe turn off sync and/or data to see if that makes a differance.
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Thanks! I've already tried a new battery, but that makes no sense.
I'm now draining it to zero, i.e. when it's fully dead, and then charge it to 100% for 8 hours. When it's charged, i'll wipe battery stats. Let's see.
When anybody has more tips, i'm pleased to hear them!
Here's a tip: don't drain your battery to zero. This is a great way to shorten the life of the battery, or completely ruin it.
For purposes of battery meter calibration, draining to 10-20% is plenty sufficient.
There should be no problem draining a battery to zero as shown by software. There is a myth/misunderstanding that this is a bad thing because people confuse it with the fact that Lithium Ion batteries can be permanently damaged if they are drained too low.
BUT any device using such batteries will have its circuitry setup to have 0% set to a point above this damaging threshold.
So the "too low" point in hardware is likely to be below the zero point that the phone's firmware and software will let you go to.
Sent from my Desire Z running CM7.
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Here's a tip: don't drain your battery to zero. This is a great way to shorten the life of the battery, or completely ruin it.
For purposes of battery meter calibration, draining to 10-20% is plenty sufficient.
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x2 I concur with this. No need to fully discharge the battery, one it probably doesn't even fully discharge because I'm pretty sure the software is saving you from yourself, plus when the battery stats are uncalibrated I'm fairly certain it reads as discharged but in fact is only partially thus the calibration is off. Lastly I'm if the opinion that throwing different charge levels works better because it more closely resembles real life charging situations. Also letting it charge for that long does nothing because the phone charges only a trickle when full in order to not ruin the battery, similar to a laptop. Overcharge protection....
Thanks again!
Now I did charge it to full and wiped Battery stats.
After 1hour 30 minutes, it lost 10%. Did only send 2 short mails with Gmail.
Here is the usage chart:
- Screen 54% (Time active 4m 51s), Brightness ~20%
- Mobile Stand-By 20% (Time active 1u 26m 13s)
- Phone inactive 18% (Time Active 1u 21m 21s)
- Gmail 5% (CPU Total 31s, CPU Foreground 25s, enabled 51s)
- Android OS 3% (CPU Total 21s)
CPU is on idle ~10%, as always. I don't see any apps that are burning my battery.
s there something abnormal here?
just compared it with my statistics (running virtuous affinity)...
Mobile Stand-By seems to be very high... i have 4% (time active 2 h 30 m)
maybe radio related?
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just compared it with my statistics (running virtuous affinity)...
Mobile Stand-By seems to be very high... i have 4% (time active 2 h 30 m)
maybe radio related?
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This stats come from Virtuous Affinity also. I'd had never had any problems with such a drain with my 'old phone'. As soon as I got it back from the repair center, the battery drain is huge.
I've reflashed the latest radio for my phone, made a Superwipe and made a fresh install of Viruous Affinity. Let's see.
I think that 'Cell Standby' is killing my battery. It is at the top of the usage list with 38% and it's all time active. My phone was left it's charger at 7.15AM, now at 9.00AM it lost 20% of it's battery on idle use only. On 9.00AM, I've turned my phone on airplane mode. Let's see if that works.
I will recover the phone to stock tonight. If this isn't working, I'll return the phone to the store.
Even with the phone on airplane mode the battery is heavily draining. My last escape is to remove the SD Card. If the draining continues, then I will bring my phone back.
Does the battery came hot? Like more than normal?
With temp+cpu app you can monitor your temperature.
Because if on idle the temperature's around 25-28 C, you should be alright.
And then you can consider what steviewevie said; lithium battery can be damaged if you go on a too low voltage. Even if the phone as his ''protection'' to not get the battery to a critical level, the battery can loose power even if its not used.
Lithium ion, its cool but not perfect.
Try a OEM brand new battery.
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There should be no problem draining a battery to zero as shown by software. There is a myth/misunderstanding that this is a bad thing because people confuse it with the fact that Lithium Ion batteries can be permanently damaged if they are drained too low.
BUT any device using such batteries will have its circuitry setup to have 0% set to a point above this damaging threshold.
So the "too low" point in hardware is likely to be below the zero point that the phone's firmware and software will let you go to.
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I've seen plenty of people on XDA with this phone and others that have rendered their battery unable to charge by letting it discharge to zero. Yes, there are failsafes meant to prevent over-discharge, but they apparently do not always work. The damage is not "permanent" in that its just the protection circuit of the battery kicking in. But the only way to bring the battery back from "sleeping" is with a special battery meter with boost function, which most people do not have access to. So for all practical purposes, its cheaper to just buy a new battery.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/low_voltage_cut_off
Yes, over-discharge will not LIKELY kill your battery in this way. But there is no point in taking the risk. The battery meter is far from accurate in the best of conditions. So there is zero benefit to letting the battery drain to zero, as opposed to 10 or 20 %, just for the benefit of calibrating the battery meter.
Also, even if over-discharge does not instantly "kill" the battery, running full cycles at the least will shorten the overall life of the battery. Its best to avoid full cycles and charge often.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/do_and_dont_battery_table
Now this is just my experience from reading the experiences of others on XDA. I know there are hardware techs that can give much more first hand experience with batteries and may disagree. But as I figure, better safe than sorry. Especially when you consider there is no real benefit to letting it drain to zero on purpose.
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Does the battery came hot? Like more than normal?
With temp+cpu app you can monitor your temperature.
Because if on idle the temperature's around 25-28 C, you should be alright.
And then you can consider what steviewevie said; lithium battery can be damaged if you go on a too low voltage. Even if the phone as his ''protection'' to not get the battery to a critical level, the battery can loose power even if its not used.
Lithium ion, its cool but not perfect.
Try a OEM brand new battery.
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The temp of the battery don't exceed 28 degrees, I test this with Battery Indicator Pro. When discharged, the Voltage is around 3,6 (Which is normal behaviour). When charged, it,s 4,2V which is normal also.
I have already tried a new battery, and it doesn't make sense. Same behaviour.
I'm really clueless, because it drains the battery always. Airplane mode an removal of the SD card makes no difference.
I will return to stock tonight, charge again, and see if it behaves the same. When yes, then I will return the phone as I don't accept such behaviour (Normally, my Battery last 30+ Hours on idle).
Thanks for your tips and help for so far! I will report.
Ok so I have one of those extended battery clips. It's not the big battery with the larger door -- it's the one that you slip onto the phone like a battery case.
So once you turn it on, the phone gets INSANELY hot, and it recharges the phone like super fast --- you can go from 50% to 100% in like 15 mins.
My friend said that this isn't good for the battery.
Today I unplugged my phone when I woke up -- it was at 100%
An HOUR later it was at 79% (21% drop) and I honestly didn't even use it once, turned the screen on twice to see the time, and that was it.
So wtf is going on ? Is my battery ruined ? It loses charge insanely fast and what's worse, even when it's plugged in, it takes forever to charge, like very very slow (5% an hour or so)
Please help
I'm not sure what's causing your battery drain. Have you checked if there is a wakelock issue or lack of mobile reception? Try using BetterBatteryStats to determine what's causing your battery drain.
As for the quick charging, it is recommended to only use oem chargers because they provide the correct amount of amperage. You can damage your battery with such a fast charger, however I'm not sure if it will ruin it after only a few charges.
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Domoo said:
I'm not sure what's causing your battery drain. Have you checked if there is a wakelock issue or lack of mobile reception? Try using BetterBatteryStats to determine what's causing your battery drain.
As for the quick charging, it is recommended to only use oem chargers because they provide the correct amount of amperage. You can damage your battery with such a fast charger, however I'm not sure if it will ruin it after only a few charges.
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I have 2 awesome apps for battery. Better battery stats doesn't say anything is draining it, just the screen, which is always the most.
One app I have turns off the 2nd core. The other puts the phone into DEEP SLEEP mode every single time the screen is off, and still none of these do anything ... 20% drain an hour when not even using it ? surely this is an issue with the battery itself and not the phone/software ?
i wish someone could help
absolutely not a single app running -- juice defender working, other apps to turn off everything, all data, wifi, mobile, 3g, etc .
EVERY SINGLE THING IS OFF.
Phone is still insanely hot. Phone is still losing battery (1% every 10 mins) while plugged in.
WHILE PLUGGED IN
please help
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absolutely not a single app running -- juice defender working, other apps to turn off everything, all data, wifi, mobile, 3g, etc .
EVERY SINGLE THING IS OFF.
Phone is still insanely hot. Phone is still losing battery (1% every 10 mins) while plugged in.
WHILE PLUGGED IN
please help
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Hot is not good if everything is off. And in regards to the charging so quickly, this is bad for any lithium ion battery. Stop using the battery case!
See if you can get another stock battery (should be able to from the store it was purchased from or some corporate store for your carrier) and try it without the battery case. If it doesn't work then warranty the phone. If you are not original stock ROM then ensure that you put it back to stock first. Before you go back to stock unrooted make sure your flash counter reads 0 flash counts. Use triangle away if needed.
What brand battery case did you use? I would call and complain to the maker and request my money back.
I am not here to complain about battery drain or anything of that nature, but rather leftover charge after the battery drains out.
Whenever the battery runs its course and runs out of juice, if I wait anywhere from a minute to 5 minutes after the battery has died the phone will turn back on briefly, displaying 1% again before draining out maybe 30 seconds after. The battery will usually have enough juice to do this twice before I have to plug in my AC cord to charge the battery back up. My concern is that because the battery is draining out before it actually runs out of juice, I am missing out on anywhere from 1 to 5% of battery. I calibrated (I use the Battery Calibration app) my battery and do so per ROM, I have tried 100% to 0% drains, as well as going through cycles of not letting the battery drop below 20%. This problem has been present on everything single ROM I have used (stock included; now on CM10.1 March Experimental)
Is anybody else having this problem or know of a solution? Is it just my battery specifically or is this a common problem? I do realize that a battery cannot completely have a true 0 charge in order to still function or it would not re-charge, but I don't think it should have enough backup juice to briefly re-boot the phone twice after a displayed 0%.
Lithium ion chemistry prefers partial discharge to deep discharge, so it's best to avoid taking the battery all the way down to zero. Since lithium-ion chemistry does not have a "memory", you do not harm the battery pack with a partial discharge. If the voltage of a lithium-ion cell drops below a certain level, it's ruined.
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Lithium ion chemistry prefers partial discharge to deep discharge, so it's best to avoid taking the battery all the way down to zero. Since lithium-ion chemistry does not have a "memory", you do not harm the battery pack with a partial discharge. If the voltage of a lithium-ion cell drops below a certain level, it's ruined.
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Ok, so ideally it's best to keep the phone from deep charging and deep drains. That said, if it happens that there is not an outlet around or I don't have my AC cable on hand, should the phone not be shutting off without leftover charge still available?
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Ok, so ideally it's best to keep the phone from deep charging and deep drains. That said, if it happens that there is not an outlet around or I don't have my AC cable on hand, should the phone not be shutting off without leftover charge still available?
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It is designed to shut off when the battery is low but not to the point of damaging it. By turning it back on multiple times after that point you may cause damage to the battery
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It is designed to shut off when the battery is low but not to the point of damaging it. By turning it back on multiple times after that point you may cause damage to the battery
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Alright, it's all by design then. Thanks for taking the time to provide me with that bit of knowledge.
In that particular case try to have the phone last as much as you need it.
Either turn it off or leave it charging whenever you are not using it if battery is below ~half.
Also deep charges will not harm the phone, as the circuit opens when it reaches a full charge.
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In that particular case try to have the phone last as much as you need it.
Either turn it off or leave it charging whenever you are not using it if battery is below ~half.
Also deep charges will not harm the phone, as the circuit opens when it reaches a full charge.
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Sure, I will try out this recommendation and see if it makes any difference.