On my blog, I recently wrote an article about some of the reasons why Windows Mobile 6.5 is still useful even with Windows Phone 7(.5) out. So with all of the news about Mango coming soon, do you think that Windows Phone 7(.x) has enough features to go ahead and completely replace Windows Mobile 6.5 or is there a reason why you still use Windows Mobile 6.5? For me (even though I do use Windows Phone 7.x), it's games and customization.
link to blog post: http://catholictechgeek.blogspot.com/2011/06/why-i-still-have-windows-phone-65-even.html
Update: I just got a part 2 of my article online and here's the link: http://catholictechgeek.blogspot.com/2011/06/why-i-still-have-windows-phone-65-even_07.html. Feel free to check out some of the other articles I have on the site as well. If you want, you can follow me on twitter too (link to my profile is @rctechgeek).
Update (6-25-2012): After a long while, I have finally updated my article with part 3, which includes the Windows Phone 7.5 "Mango" update (with a look at what has changed and what hasn't). Here is the link to part 3: http://bit.ly/LLsS7k
Update (6-28-2012): Part 4 is now up, continuing from where part 3 left off, for your reading pleasure. The link to part 4 is: http://bit.ly/NRzQdh
Yes, and yes. Im satisfied when Mango comes, but im not unhappy now ether. I recently sold my HD2 as my goodbye to WM. Keept my BA and some other old WM devices out of nostalgia, but there in there boxes now.
ditched my winmo as soon as windows phone was released and I didn't look back
Love WP7 as an OS, miss WM for it's eye candy/customizable.
One thing I don't like about WP7 is the Metro UI. While it is clean & what ever, it's missing the eye candy & ability to customize that WM or Android has. I understand a lot of people like it, but keep in mind that is an opinion. Not a fact & in my opinion, it's kind of dull looking.
All that said, I'll never look back at WM or Android. I just love how smooth WP7 is & the games/apps.
Yes n Yes. What I am missing most is garmin GPS (I live in indonesia and garmin is the only good gps with mapping system and POI here) and ability to search contact just like pc outlook, which will be sorted next update I believe
When I migrated from WM6 to WP7, I kept my old phone charged and ready for the first few weeks, because I wasn't sure I would be able to get by without some of the features it offered. Truth be told, it's now been sitting (uncharged) in a drawer for the past 5 months, and it will soon be sold. WM has nothing on WP7 in my book.
If, for some reason, it became necessary for me to leave WP7, I still wouldn't go back to WM, I'd go with one of the other modern smartphone OSes.
Yes...and hell yes!
Since the first day I used wp7 on my old hd2 I loved it....but then Android pulled me back in cuz hd2 didn't run it perfectly. And Android since then became annoying to me. iPhone was my first smartphone, and I found my self loading my screen with colorful icons I never touched. Android is good.....BUT even with a bloody dualcore it will lag and can't touch any wp7 device in scrolling. Wp7 is only getting better, and I can't imagine how wp8 will be plus windows 8 tabs.....God bless Microsoft!
Edit: I forgeot WM lol....it was cool for the few weeks i used it.
I have been a WM user for years... and I was excited when WP7 came out. I bought the surround Nov. 18th and it has been my primary phone. I also have some android devices I use for development and if it wasn't for the Zune media player and Zune Pass, I would be using android every day. I sure hope that Mango brings everything we as a group have been waiting for... Like multitasking and video MMS and......
Otherwise I am going to get an android phone for my daily driver and wait until WP7 matures some more.
But man do I love the Zune player and pass!
Though I love WP7 there are things that tick me off. Mango will correct them of course I just wish that MS gets to it fast and we do not see the cluster bang that we saw with NoDo. the problem really is twofold. MS really needs to push this OS and educate people on it. in metro Boston there is nothing on WP7 yet tons of stuff we see for android and ios. Secondly go into say a T-MO store and ask to see a wp7 device and get told why would you want that? we have this nice new samsung android here blah blah... MS needs to really step it up and get adverts out there that shows the OS and what it can do..instead of showing a bunch of peeps falling down or dropping devices in urinals’
I just converted from Android and I will not look back I love wm phone better than the other os out there I just wish they had two apps my bank chase and navigon or Tom Tom come on get onto this os it is great .
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There are some things I can't do, or things I can't run on WP7 that I was able to run on 6.5... But WP7, pre-nodo and now with nodo was slick enough for me to make the full change and simply adapt to it... I found it that good...
Mango will simply make it much much better...
The apps I miss off ole 6.5 are TomTom and Garmin... But Turn-By-Turn is filling the gap for now...
I first tried WP7 on my HD2 and the HD2 came alive and ran quick like it always could... 6.5 hobbled it...
The simple things done on the phone each day, like checking messages and emails and such is much quicker on WP7... Zip in, do what ya gotta do, zip out... Its the OS for the serious user...
Users who want a lot of fart apps stick with haemorrhoid and igroan!
Hi everyone. I have another article up with some more reasons that I keep a Windows Mobile 6.5 device handy. Most of them have to do with bluetooth, but not all.
link: http://catholictechgeek.blogspot.com/2011/06/why-i-still-have-windows-phone-65-even_07.html
For those of us who like games, you have to admit that Microsoft would make things a lot better if they made it easier to get console emulators on Windows Phone 7, right (you can run emulators under Windows Mobile 6.5)?
Steven855 said:
For those of us who like games, you have to admit that Microsoft would make things a lot better if they made it easier to get console emulators on Windows Phone 7, right (you can run emulators under Windows Mobile 6.5)?
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er...no...
I'm curious to know how many people actually used contact transfer via bluetooth in Windows Mobile 6.5. It seems to me that was a handy feature.
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I'm curious to know how many people actually used contact transfer via bluetooth in Windows Mobile 6.5. It seems to me that was a handy feature.
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I didn't I just sent my contacts to my SIM card and copied them that way. How ever I will not be giving up my 6.5 HTC TP2. Not until MS installs a "windows" explorer allowing me to truly use my device as I see fit.
As for the apps I know people are working very hard on them and they are coming, no different than WinMo 5-6.5 when it first came out. In three years time I'm sure there will be tons of stuff we have created.
I had the touch pro, touch pro 2, and imagio so i was pretty seasoned in windows mobile. I just recently got the HTC Trophy and im satisfied with WP7. No more lag, a browser thats dependable and can play most videos while browsing and not worrying about the videos making the browser close in the background because of too much memory being used, being able to open text messages without lags and freezes and reply instantly, much better keyboard and music player
theres only a few things that somewhat piss me off tho, no file explorer, no custom ringtones (coming in mango), no usb mass storage mode, no wifi tethering at the moment, and on winmo i use to download albums single mp3's through the web browser and i was able to add those files to my library on the go without being tied down to using a computer and syncing.
but other than those gripes i love wp7 and realize its still within its first year and i dont expect it to have everything right off the bat but i love the os and willing to wait things out its going to be exciting watching this platform grow.
WP7 is ok, I like its simplicity, but I really miss the openness of WinMo.
I can't stand the absence of USB mass storage, I can't stand to be bound to Zune, I can't stand to be bound to my PC, I cannot stand the absence of file management with file explorer...
I cannot stand not to able to play quickly my DivX|AVI movie files, after a simple drag & drop.
I cannot stand the lack of decent storage (no swappable SD card, no slot for SD card, pathetic 8GB only devices...)
In September I will probably move to a high end Android device.
All my friends that used to have WinMo have now moved to Android and they all so satisfied
I realize I cannot stand locked down OS like iPhone and WP7
I thought Mango would bring some flexibility and openess... But it didn't
WM is nothing in front of WP.. if someone has both WM and WP and chooses to use WM instead of WP, he/she obviously has some kind of problem in his life..
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WM is nothing in front of WP.. if someone has both WM and WP and chooses to use WM instead of WP, he/she obviously has some kind of problem in his life..
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Or maybe, more reasonably, he just needs a flexible and open OS, without missing features.
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I have tons pics of the Windows Phone (Mobile) 7 series for those who have been living under a rock for the last couple of days. The pictures exhibit the core of the OS and the UI.
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Lock & Home Screen
Web Browser
Zune Music & Video
Pictures Hub
People Hub
Xbox Live Hub
About Windows Phone 7
Microsoft's latest mobile OS behaves completely different from previous iterations which may be a major selling point or a deal breaker. The UI is elegant, simplistic, and fully animated, no other OS is close in comparison. It's innovation at it's finest. Its pretty obvious what type of user MS was aiming towards just by glancing at the screen shots, and you can't blame them. That was how iPhone gained such huge ground.
WinPho 7's interface, codenamed "Metro", is visually similar to the Zune HD. Unlike previous edition of windows mobile, Windows Phone 7 isn't powered by Windows CE kernel, but it is rather based on said embedded OS. It seems like MS main focus is push notification, social networking and finally integrating their other services like Zune Marketplace and Xbox Live.
Ballmer didn't announce much about the hardware requirements, but he did say that there was a capacitive screen requirement. So gone are the days of using your stylus in Excel, Office, or Bubble Breaker.
What make windows Phone 7 Series stand out is the attention to detail, animations, and overall look of the OS. The keyboard is completely overhauled, it's bigger and translucent. The Lock screen is carried over from the Zune HD, it only displays important notifications like new messages, missed calls, and updated status. Unfortunately it doesn't display appointments. The home screen consists of animated tiles or hubs that serve as links to other features of the OS. The home screen is sorta reminiscent of Androids, by allowing you to pin any App, Contact, Picture, Bookmark, etc.
My OpinionsIt's pretty clear that I like the revisions or I would've denounced it in this post. The animations are uncanny and The overall experience may make it easy to use, but this is just speculation. I own an Xbox 360 and have Live for Windows on my PC so achievements are pretty big to me and it's nice to see MS being the first to integrate such a feature into a mobile device.
As happy as I am, there are still things that have me upset. The home screen just looks bland and flat, couldn't they have added some kind 3D element and why is there no background image? The apps menu only shows one row of apps in alphabetical order, which may make it easier to find app, but may get tedious once your App collection grows. I feel they should have used the same view they have for the contacts in the Apps menu, it would've been leagues better than just one row of apps.
My Question and Conclusion Like a lot of you forum goers, I'm pretty stuck on the fence on this one. Still many things I want to know such as:
How does the OS handle Multitasking?
What level of Customization is available?
Will OEMS be allowed to differentiate themselves from each other?
What about SDK and 3rd party software?
Details on Compatibility with Phones like the HTC HD2, Toshiba TG02 & K01 or other devices releasing in 2010.
What are the Hardware requirements.
What's the fate of Winmo 6.5?
Is there compatibility with Legacy Apps and vice versa?
More info on MS's plan for Cloud computing
How far along are you with flash support?
The name is Windows Phone Series, does that mean there will be other versions of the OS, Maybe a Lite Version for Older Phones?
What about Cabs & File Browsing?
MS's latest revision may look more treacherous than adventurous to "Hardcore" users and fans of Winmo. Love or hate it, this mobile OS isn't finish, there's much to be revealed at MIX10 and we won't see a release date anytime soon
Stay tuned, in a couple days I will have animated gifs that demonstrates the UI animations.
Whatever it is, I like it a lot. And I would love to have it on my X1....I hope some DevGods try to make it for my X1...
ANd BTW, Thanx for the pix!
Your Welcome. As far as compatibility goes for older Qualcomm 72xx chipset devices like your X1 or the Touch HD, I'm not to sure whether you will get a update. I know I won't, because I have a Palm Treo Pro and Palm just left me dry (No Updates For even Winmo 6.5). MS titled this OS Windows Phone 7 Series. There may be other versions such as a business version or a lite version for users of older devices.
i don't like it
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i don't like it
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I didn't at first, but it's growing on me...
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Whatever it is, I like it a lot. And I would love to have it on my X1....I hope some DevGods try to make it for my X1...
ANd BTW, Thanx for the pix!
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i don't like it
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I love the menus of the OS and the way it operates. I just don't like the home screen.
Wow...does no one find these pics interesting? I'm the first to post them to this forum.
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Your Welcome. As far as compatibility goes for older Qualcomm 72xx chipset devices like your X1 or the Touch HD, I'm not to sure whether you will get a update. I know I won't, because I have a Palm Treo Pro and Palm just left me dry (No Updates For even Winmo 6.5). MS titled this OS Windows Phone 7 Series. There may be other versions such as a business version or a lite version for users of older devices.
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That's true; Microsoft could have an unannounced "Windows Phone Professional Series." That would probably be where everyone here would go. Or maybe that's what the current Windows Mobile Professional will be (probably and hopefully not).
Windows Phone 7 Series = Zune HD + Phone... (what? i heared a similar story before... oh yes.. it is called "iPhone OS", an ipod.. with phone... )
I like the UI, yes.. but i will miss the things that windows mobile had.. like a file explorer (the best file explorer for mobile devices i must say), full customizacion thanks to this community...
All would be better if they just could add special effects to their current UI... (windows mobile with animations and that stuff)...
just saying...
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Windows Phone 7 Series = Zune HD + Phone... (what? i heared a similar story before... oh yes.. it is called "iPhone OS", an ipod.. with phone... )
I like the UI, yes.. but i will miss the things that windows mobile had.. like a file explorer (the best file explorer for mobile devices i must say), full customizacion thanks to this community...
All would be better if they just could add special effects to their current UI... (windows mobile with animations and that stuff)...
just saying...
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MMM... The Ipod Touch was more application oriented (At least it became app oriented after the iphone and the installer.app became popular) Whilst the Zune HD is more MultiMedia Oriented. Only reason ipods ever win is their app base... my friend has 3 fart apps, a light saber app, and bump... not really...a phone
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Your Welcome. As far as compatibility goes for older Qualcomm 72xx chipset devices like your X1 or the Touch HD, I'm not to sure whether you will get a update. I know I won't, because I have a Palm Treo Pro and Palm just left me dry (No Updates For even Winmo 6.5). MS titled this OS Windows Phone 7 Series. There may be other versions such as a business version or a lite version for users of older devices.
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NOw thats wht I am talking about.."The Lite Version"...thst wht I would LOVE to have on X1..but again, its a far fetched dream..
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Windows Phone 7 Series = Zune HD + Phone... (what? i heared a similar story before... oh yes.. it is called "iPhone OS", an ipod.. with phone... )
I like the UI, yes.. but i will miss the things that windows mobile had.. like a file explorer (the best file explorer for mobile devices i must say), full customizacion thanks to this community...
All would be better if they just could add special effects to their current UI... (windows mobile with animations and that stuff)...
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I can't wait too see what the talented people in this forum can do for this platform. They done leagues to enhance and customize Winmo 6.5
I love what I've seen and thanks for the pictures. Here's why I love it. On my 8525 running 6.5.3 I currently install these 3rd party programs: Resco Explorer, Resco Photos, Coreplayer, Icontact, Facebook, Thumbcal, SPB Mobile Shell 3.5, JZ Browser (love it!), Opera Mini 5, Schaps Advanced Configuration, Arcsoft MMS Messenger and Google Maps. That's just the ones I have to put in to feel the phone is great(which it is for when it was made). With the 7 Series I don't think I'd need any of these programs so how much of an improvement has MS made (gigantic!). Not to mention how interactve the hubs are and how easy these programs they have work together. So far so good. I can't wait to get more info at MIX.
I must say that before I got my HTC Touch Pro 2 I knew nothing about Windows Mobile. But after visiting this forum and trying a few ROMs I must admit that Windows Mobile is awesome! So, I'm waiting to see what's going to happen with Windows Phone 7 (I really hope this is not the official name of the OS). However, MS has a habit of trying to compete with Apple and I just wish they would forget about Apple and build a rock solid OS.
The first thing I read about WP7 is that it needs a Massive CPU (1ghz). So I thought Oh my god here whe go again, MS needs to rely on high hardware specs again to get the thing going, wich could mean another FAIL programming.
Afther watchting the demo I must say that I like the interface verry much, and I can only hope it will realy be as fast as they want you to believe it is.
I also think it is a good thing that they started from scratch because most (not all) of the old apps are useless anyway. The biggest problem being the wide variaty of phone hardware wich makes in imposible to deliver dedicated-always working-allways equally fast- software. (a problem that the Iphone doesn't have, everything you download is fast, and works) and I only dream that my HTC HD would work that well, but it just doesn't (even with the great custom roms you guys make, the CPU doesn't cut it)
The only thing that I want from a phone is full PC compatibility and SPEED. Thats what windows phone looks like to going to offer, but I also like to be able to put on my phone what I want, and that is a big question mark with this new OS.
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I love what I've seen and thanks for the pictures. Here's why I love it. On my 8525 running 6.5.3 I currently install these 3rd party programs: Resco Explorer, Resco Photos, Coreplayer, Icontact, Facebook, Thumbcal, SPB Mobile Shell 3.5, JZ Browser (love it!), Opera Mini 5, Schaps Advanced Configuration, Arcsoft MMS Messenger and Google Maps. That's just the ones I have to put in to feel the phone is great(which it is for when it was made). With the 7 Series I don't think I'd need any of these programs so how much of an improvement has MS made (gigantic!). Not to mention how interactve the hubs are and how easy these programs they have work together. So far so good. I can't wait to get more info at MIX.
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Same here, I can't wait to see what Features and other hidden Details MS has in store @ MIX10
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NOw thats wht I am talking about.."The Lite Version"...thst wht I would LOVE to have on X1..but again, its a far fetched dream..
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the X1 isn't a great device when compared to the Touch Pro 2. I think Windows Phone 7's requirements don't feature older devices running the Qualcomm 72xx chips.
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Windows Phone 7 isn't powered by Windows CE kernel
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Really?
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Really?
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Yes, Windows Phone 7 doesn't isn't powered by Windows CE 6.0. But like the Zune HD it's based on CE 6
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Yes, Windows Phone 7 doesn't isn't powered by Windows CE 6.0. But like the Zune HD it's based on CE 6
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Ummmm no. I'm not sure what your definition of "powered by" is but in my world "based on" is the same thing (especially in this case).
Windows CE is a modular, embedded operating system that can be customized with tons of various components and then added onto if the developer chooses. In this case, the end developer is Microsoft and they're adding on their own UI, .net, silverlight, etc (not sure how similar the included .net/silverlight in CE6R3 is to WP7).
So basically Microsoft picks and chooses what parts of CE they want to use as a starting point and then adds on. CE is not a "complete" OS in itself really. It is designed exactly for this sort of purpose.
"Powered by", "based on", whatever you want to call it but CE is most certainly the kernel and core of Zune (classic and HD), Windows Phone, etc. It's most likely CE6R3 but could be 6R2 or even CE7.
When are we gonna see a ROM flashable on the EVO 4G with Windows Mobile? People say WinMo is going out but Andriod has too many limits for me right now.
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Why not get an HD2?
For the love of god I hope we will never see such a horrendous thing. Good god man.
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When are we gonna see a ROM flashable on the EVO 4G with Windows Mobile? People say WinMo is going out but Andriod has too many limits for me right now.
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What limits? I'm curious...
lets see here... I can choose an MP3 song as a ringtone and not have it get cut off.
I can find and download a lot of games and not have to pay 4 it. I can use remote desktop with not a lot of configuration and 3rd party apps. Should I go on????
You can do all that with android dude...
Something tells me no one is going to try to do this. WinMo is about as bad as Blackberry OS IMO.
As someone else said, why didn't you get an HD2? It's the almost same phone but it also has the WinMo from 1999 that you love so much.
Sounds more like you are just too comfortable with WinMo, and are afraid to step outside of your box and really learn Android. I'll take Android over WinMo anyday. Talk about limitations... not to mention lack of reliability.
As someone who owns a HD2 and a Evo, I have no idea why you would want to use WinMo, 6.5 is as glitchy as 5.0 was as CE was years ago when the MDA and pre-MDA devices were the new and upcoming thing. Whatever I was able to do on a WinMo device I can do on an Android device, you just have to google it.
Aren't we still waiting on a decent media player for Android?
I've been using TuneWiki, works fine for me.
You probably right but the HD2 is totally out since it is for T-mobile. I have Sprint. I had my GF get the EVO and it is a really nice phone but you cannot do everything you could do in WinMo.
I've gotten really good at the internet searching thing and hasnt been anything I could not find. From what I can see I love the phone the EVO.
What people forget is that phones are just small PCs. And Microsoft never changes. Explanation: Microsoft has long come out with OSs that were resource hogs=too much for the systems of the times. It is this reason I see why there is always more issues (in a lot of cases as well as user error) on the Windows platform. It is no different in Windows Mobile. I find my phone behaves like every PC I have worked on and the fixes have been the same. i.e. virus removal maybe, free up used resources, add more space, remove certain 3rd party apps (this is to a large extent a problem for WinMo. If software code was written bad it can cause issues in the OS.) , or total refresh.
WinMo is only bad cause we like to put alot of stuff on our phones. Also no 1 created like 1 good solution for certain problems. 4 instances media playback. You had to find several solutions in order to be able to play all the Video formats....by the way this has not changed with Android. Also as of now if you like having movies on phone will need even more space if you using Android due the being limited to playing mp4/h264 vids. Mp4 is still good but Xvid still has better compression/quallity ratio.
Since using my GF's EVO and having to install numerous apps to do stuff she got used to in WinMo I notice a performance difference so really the game has not changed. Android is what...Linux right.
I know linux too and it does have lower overhead to run but linux still after being around for awhile still has work to do. Ever has to deal with Kernel changes? Can be a real pain in anus when you get your Linux nice with cube running and everything and that new better kernel comes out and 80% if not 100% of the time you have to start over.
Linux is more ideal for smaller devices because of its smaller footprint but as devices are now getting better.......I've seen linux being used in vending machines (ever unplug 1 and plug back in and see it boot up on the screen?)
Having had both WinMo and Android, I cannot tell you how many times I had to reboot my WinMo devices (not from having too many apps either), versus my Android devices due to system freezes. Simply put, I can count on one hand how many times I've had to reboot my Android devices involuntarily, and still have a couple of fingers to spare.
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Having had both WinMo and Android, I cannot tell you how many times I had to reboot my WinMo devices (not from having too many apps either), versus my Android devices due to system freezes. Simply put, I can count on one hand how many times I've had to reboot my Android devices involuntarily, and still have a couple of fingers to spare.
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I wonder if the sampling rate is appropriate here: android devices have much more power and RAM than the older WinMo devices. My Uni is awesome, but slow. My Supersonic (EVO) is awesome and fast, but is it the OS, or 5 years of hardware advancements and the gobs of RAM?
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Aren't we still waiting on a decent media player for Android?
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whats wrong with MixZing?
EDIT: MortPlayer from WinMo even has an equvilent app in the Market.
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whats wrong with MixZing?
EDIT: MortPlayer from WinMo even has an equvilent app in the Market.
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idk, I'm just regurgitating something I read on another post here on XDA, that androind was still waiting for a TCMP type media player that handles it all.
As a new user to the Android OS, the ONLY thing I feel the platform is lacking is a good music player that has at least a 10 band equalizer like what's on TCPMP on my other phones. Until Android gets that, I'll continue to use my Palm Treo 700p as my MP3 player.
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idk, I'm just regurgitating something I read on another post here on XDA, that androind was still waiting for a TCMP type media player that handles it all.
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ah regurgitating is such a strong word...
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ah regurgitating is such a strong word...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=699824
windows 6.5 for Evo?
Why would you want to? And this from a prior touch pro custom rom flasher....
You currently can't. It's probably possible but I'd be very surprised to see anyone putting any effort into it.
Yuck, just wait and see if someone get's Windows Phone 7 for it.
WM6.5 is junk compared to Android and even WP7.
Anyways, I don't foresee it with full drivers anytime soon, we're having enough issues w/ Froyo which Froyo itself is open source.
There are no 4G drivers for Windows Mobile anyway so you might as well just get an HD2.
why would you want to take a perfectly good phone and make it garbage?
WinMo 6.5.3 has a very slick contact management app built in. The ability to quickly switch from Exchange to Gmail to Yahoo to SMS inboxes simply by clicking <right arrow> or swiping to the right is also very slick. There are a lot of well-built MS tools available for 6.5 such as Livemesh Mobile, Word, Excel, OneNote etc. If you have a Windows computer and you work at a company that has all windows servers WinMo 6.5 is not a bad enterprise oriented OS. Facebook + social media apps and games? CRAP but for MS Geeks, it's quite nice.
Full disclosure, I have previously owned TP2, TP, SCH-i760, Treo 700w, SCH-i700 so I'm a little partial to the OS.
Windows mobile has it's perks. I still have an HD2 and I like it, but having an android OS takes all of the guess work out of using the phone. I will say though that having CHTEditor for sense UI is great. I wish the dev who created it for winmo would do that for the evo.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=633590
windows mobile is nice for some things, but android is so much better.
this has been gone over way too many times and people need to search.
Example of a huge android fail for such a basic want. I want 7 full screen widgets and just one folder. Is the only place you can put folders on the main screens?
I don't see why it couldn't be done as this phone is similar to the hd2 but i doubt you would get a dev to port it and honestly android is 10x better!
I'll believe it's 10x better if you can tell me how I can have 7 full screen widgets and just one folder. In winmo the start screen holds apps and folders. You can also put folders in the links on the today screen and that little row of links can open up to multiple pages up to about 80 links I think.
In android you could put 112 folders on the main screens, but nothing else. Those screens would be maxed out. Sounds like android wins, but think of it this way.
You can add all the apps you want to android (all apps screen) or winmo (start screen) limited only by memory. In winmo that goes for folders also. Not so in android.
Let's compare further. Let's say I'm using sense in android so I have 7 screens instead of 5 and have 7 full screen widgets and I compare it to sense in winmo...no that's not fair since in winmo it comes with about 15 fullscreen widgets. Ok, let's say in winmo I don't have sense and use UL and make 7 screens so it's like android and put full screen widgets (lots of free ones out there) on them.
Now I want some folders. In winmo I create them in my start page. What do I do in android? Is there an app out there that holds folders? That would be a good option. Just go to the all apps screen and open that app to see my folders.
ok, so I have no opinion on the major topic of this post, but as a suggestion, I mean, you could just use multiple scenes. Then you would have 7 screens for each scene, and to switch you just do like 3 clicks and you have 7 more screens.
Obviously it is a little more work, because you will have to save the scene when you modify, but its some form of accommodation for what you are looking for.
I also think there is something called launcher pro or something on the market that allows you to add more than 7 screens. I am not sure and have never used it.
Sorry if this suggestion in no way accommodates you, just ignore if so.
Well,...It's an option. A little bit of a pain in the ass, but I kind of like that. You can expand quite a bit that way. Still a little overcomplicated compared to winmo though, but in effect I guess you're not limited to just seven screens. How many scenes can you create? Is that a memory hog?
you should really try something like adw.launcher from the market just to see if you like it. You can have 7 screens but you can change it to have up to 7x7 grid on each screen. It is highly customizable
But I am pretty sure you can have a bunch of scenes, shouldn't affect memory since its only loading one scene at a time.
Well, it looks like Windows 95 has now been ported to Android. Why not Winmo? I'm betting some one will do it just because so many say it won't happen, just for the bragging rights.
Manicmobileaddict said:
Well, it looks like Windows 95 has now been ported to Android. Why not Winmo? I'm betting some one will do it just because so many say it won't happen, just for the bragging rights.
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Did all 4 of the WinMo threads needed to be bumped just for this?
i just have to say even though i am living with my desire and android if you think windows was worse with all its faults it wasnt, i so fed up with how poor android is that i have to come and say android is **** as **** as windows ever was so ram a sock in it ahh feel better.
Seems like you wouldnt get along with ANY operating system... maybe even iOS is too hard to handle for you.
Solution: Get a Dynatac 8000 by Motorola. It was the first of all MobilePhones and should totally cover your needs
Seriously, learn to give some arguments when you already decided to post some bul*s#@t
Greets Mate
Windows better!
I assume you are talking about your windows double glazing of your home, if that is the case Andriod is useless in comparison and I agree!
If you are talking about Windows Pocket PC in comparison then I can only assume you have not turned your Desire on yet!
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elburna said:
Seems like you wouldnt get along with ANY operating system... maybe even iOS is too hard to handle for you.
Solution: Get a Dynatac 8000 by Motorola. It was the first of all MobilePhones and should totally cover your needs
Seriously, learn to give some arguments when you already decided to post some bul*s#@t
Greets Mate
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Off topic.
I'm loving that Motorola
Just imagine the hardware they could fit in that if someone had the balls to make a phone that big today?
I have a Dynatac 8000 on my mantle peice .
The one on there dynatec 8000 is perfect.
Could we please get some pertinent, on-topic comments here? I am also interested in a realistic comparison between these two OS, cause I am about to switch from WM to Android and I'm not sure I will have the same functionality...
Thanks in advance.
Conrad
Well, I switched from WinMo 6.1 on an HTC Touch Cruise. It had a nice custom ROM and worked very well.
The Desire is just fabulous to hold and play with, but it doesn't do any more than the Win phone. Desire screen is beautiful and so much more responsive than the old one. Internet surfing is much better.
Having flashed the old phone's ROM many times, you might think that I'd jump in to doing the same with the Desire, particularly as it only has 2.1 not Froyo yet.
But, I'm nervous about it ..... all this talk of rooting drives me up the wall!
And, I have to buy sat nav all over again - Middle east, Europe and South Africa - there goes 200 Euros! (no, Google directions don't work here).
Sorry to ramble on.
HTH.
Right. I miss my Pocket PC. I miss how ActiveSync would lose the partnership every so often. And how I had duplicates everywhere in Outlook after I re-created the partnership.
Are you for real? Android wins over WinMo 6.5 anytime. I have used a WinMo device for over 2 years and Android is a hell lot better then WinMo, and no, it is not even as unstable as WinMo.
I love android but i find it so unstable, unrooted stock. Killed the original sd card, my new sd card is partly corrupt. Stupid apps issue no space (i know u can root but u shouldnt have to).
Otherwise android has loads of pros against winmo and id choose android any day.
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(taking about stock android, not htc stuff on top of it)
Missing loads of stuff from good winmo. Also missing customer support (non existent for android).
Missing a proper bluetooth stack.
Missing a robust email client
Missing a sync that doesn't pixelate pictures
Missing a functional gallery
Missing the birthday and anniversary field
Missing a call recording app
Missing proper gsm/wav support
Missing a real install to sdcard function
Missing a real integration with Office
Missing the fact that however limited, winmo worked out of the box, android is a permanently beta product, needing hacks or waiting for updates
Missing a stylus (hehe)
Missing a properly moderated forum and a more mature audience
But I agree that htc sense on top of android is miles ahead of manila on top of winmo, especially since you are comparing winmo devices quite older than desire & co.
You can't compare the two. It's like comparing an amiga 2000 to a pentium powered PC
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what have you got against the Amiga 2000 !! >:d
I went with android because I believe Google is slightly less evil than Microsoft.
As far as the os is concerned they both have pros and cons, its down to personal preference in the end.
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what have you got against the Amiga 2000 !! >:d
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Nothing ! It was actually a praise
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Missing loads of stuff from good winmo. Also missing customer support (non existent for android). - did ms give you customer support for winmo??
Missing a proper bluetooth stack. - no its not get your facts straight
Missing a robust email client - yet again no its not lol
Missing a sync that doesn't pixelate pictures - oh no thats a deal breaker lol
Missing a functional gallery - erm ok if ya say so pal
Missing the birthday and anniversary field - no its not duh
Missing a call recording app - only a perv needs to record calls lol
Missing proper gsm/wav support - yes just what we all need a hasbeen audio codec lol
Missing a real install to sdcard function - nand chips are big enough these days this isnt needed....
Missing a real integration with Office - it neva guna happen end of the day use your head
Missing the fact that however limited, winmo worked out of the box, android is a permanently beta product, needing hacks or waiting for updates - just because google updates the os and microsoft dosent, hows that bad? the udate function was just for show on winmo cuz ms are lazy
Missing a stylus (hehe) - not even worth a retort lol
Missing a properly moderated forum and a more mature audience - from your last post its also missing an educated audience
Missing loads of stuff from good winmo. Also missing customer support (non existent for android). - did ms give you customer support for winmo??
Yes, there was an email address and a phone number.android has forum support, which is non existent
Missing a proper bluetooth stack. - no its not get your facts straight
Android bluetooth stack is really poor and unstable
Missing a robust email client - yet again no its not lol
Gmail client has only recently fixed some major bugs about quotation and links. Stock email client is lacking a lot of functions
Missing a sync that doesn't pixelate pictures - oh no thats a deal breaker lol
Yes it is
Missing a functional gallery - erm ok if ya say so pal
3D android gallery is slow, dodgy and has an awful crop function for contacts
Missing the birthday and anniversary field - no its not duh
Stock android contacts don't have those fields
Missing a call recording app - only a perv needs to record calls lol
I won't even comment that
Missing proper gsm/wav support - yes just what we all need a hasbeen audio codec lol
Most voip answering machines send messages as attachments in that format.
Missing a real install to sdcard function - nand chips are big enough these days this isnt needed....
Funny you have a desire with 120 MB for applications...
Missing a real integration with Office - it neva guna happen end of the day use your head
Use what ? Have you ever worked in a professional environment?
Missing the fact that however limited, winmo worked out of the box, android is a permanently beta product, needing hacks or waiting for updates - just because google updates the os and microsoft dosent, hows that bad? the udate function was just for show on winmo cuz ms are lazy
Yeah right
Missing a stylus (hehe) - not even worth a retort lol
Whew
Missing a properly moderated forum and a more mature audience - from your last post its also missing an educated audience
What else to say...half your post has spelling errors, the other half is a "lol"
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I forsee in the future an new all encompassing OS called WinDroid mwuahahahaaa *cough*
I've used both, WinMo 6.5 on a hd2, and Android 2.2 on a Desire. The Desire I found is brilliant and really shows how much both Android devices and the Android operating system have come on since the initial release (my first android was a htc Hero running cupcake).
WinMo is good, i just find Android does better, the things I require from a mobile device. I guess its the apps that are streets ahead on Android, and the amount of free ones available. Windows mobile app development has pretty much come to a grinding holt, and even the apps that are available for both platforms, they seem so much better on Android (facebook app is a good example).
Also its interesting using the touch screen on WinMo 6.5 on the hd2 and also using it on Android on the hd2 also. Its like your using a different handset? The screen is so much more responsive using Android its unreal.
I really like the hd2 but after using the desire aswell, the Desire running 2.2 is my weapon of choice.
Of course the desire has my preference at the moment, of course it's also one generation ahead of my old touch hd.
My post was to point out some aspect of the immaturity and - at times - non-professional aspects of android.
It isn't out yet, but give me wp7 over the same desire hardware and I'm not so 100% sure which I will choose between htc sense and wp7. Give me stock android vs wp7 and I will choose wp7 blindly. Give me winmo 6.5.3 vs stock android and I will choose stock android very reluctantly.
I don't give so much importance if android has 20000 games, 30000 cool apps, etc. I only need 10-20 well made programs.
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Ok, now DreamForceTeam launched Windows Mobile 6.1 on Windows Phone 7 (HTC 7 Pro) and showed that on the movie (what is next ?):
Now this shows how terrible windows mobile was. I would do this on my trophy, but seeing how putting a laggy os on a phone designed for wp7 is so pointless, I'd rather put windows phone (hopefully tango) on wm devices.
Yessss, with this we may have the chance of using FpseCE on WP7!
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downloaderintruder said:
Now this shows how terrible windows mobile was. I would do this on my trophy, but seeing how putting a laggy os on a phone designed for wp7 is so pointless, I'd rather put windows phone (hopefully tango) on wm devices.
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Very well said, couldn't agree more. The fact you can do something doesn't mean you should. I was a WM 6.5 fan but would NEVER go back to that after over a year with the constantly improving WP7.
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Ok, now DreamForceTeam launched Windows Mobile 6.1 on Windows Phone 7 (HTC 7 Pro) and showed that on the movie (what is next ?):
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good thanks
JamesAllen said:
Very well said, couldn't agree more. The fact you can do something doesn't mean you should. I was a WM 6.5 fan but would NEVER go back to that after over a year with the constantly improving WP7.
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You know...the video shows pretty good performance over all on it. Yea, 6.1 was a dog but, There is still a hanful of apps I would use on it that there is no WP7 app for.
If this was downloadable, I would download it to try it. It would be nice to bring back some App memories...
Is this only on a custom rom ?
That's sort of nostalgic. But like I'd never put Windows 95 on my current computers, I would also never go back to the Windows Mobile days. Sick of constant lock ups, bad memory management, overall laggy behaviour and such. If I wanted to use Windows Mobile again, I'd rather buy an HD2 from craigslist or eBay than flash it on my WP device.
If we could use equalizers and audio effects, I would love to see dual boot.
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That's sort of nostalgic. But like I'd never put Windows 95 on my current computers, I would also never go back to the Windows Mobile days. Sick of constant lock ups, bad memory management, overall laggy behaviour and such. If I wanted to use Windows Mobile again, I'd rather buy an HD2 from craigslist or eBay than flash it on my WP device.
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Did you even watch the video ? He was running ON TOP of WP7, at one point in the video he hit back and it jumped back to WP7.
If it's like shown, an emulator, I'm great with it, if I have to flash my device, screw it, dont want it.
If I can dump 6.1 on my WP7 device to run when I want to, it opens a whole world of 10+ years of Apps that will run on it (and there is a lot more of 6.0+ apps than there is WP7 apps)
I would want to dowload it and install cabs to it, if I can't do that, then I have no needs for it.
I would much rather use an emulator on my phone than waste $150-200 on a HD2 that ran Windows Mobile 6.5 anyway.
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You know...the video shows pretty good performance over all on it. Yea, 6.1 was a dog but, There is still a hanful of apps I would use on it that there is no WP7 app for.
If this was downloadable, I would download it to try it. It would be nice to bring back some App memories...
Is this only on a custom rom ?
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I do miss the equalizers I had loaded on WM 6.X. I miss them a great deal. It is the one thing I am still waiting for in WP7. I have found replacements for most all of the other apps I used on WM over the last few months.
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Did you even watch the video ? He was running ON TOP of WP7, at one point in the video he hit back and it jumped back to WP7.
If it's like shown, an emulator, I'm great with it, if I have to flash my device, screw it, dont want it.
If I can dump 6.1 on my WP7 device to run when I want to, it opens a whole world of 10+ years of Apps that will run on it (and there is a lot more of 6.0+ apps than there is WP7 apps)
I would want to dowload it and install cabs to it, if I can't do that, then I have no needs for it.
I would much rather use an emulator on my phone than waste $150-200 on a HD2 that ran Windows Mobile 6.5 anyway.
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I gotta admit that I didn't watch the video. I just assumed it was the one I found over at Twitter last night where a modified bootloader was shown that started WM on a WP device. An emulator would certainly be nice to play with. But I don't see me using it for more than just bringing back some nostalgic thoughts.
I dont see the reason for the hate....it may not make sense to run win95 on currrent hardware but u cant apply the same logic when wp7 is missing features/apps wm had.
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I dont see the reason for the hate....it may not make sense to run win95 on currrent hardware but u cant apply the same logic when wp7 is missing features/apps wm had.
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I wouldn't call it hate. Lack of comprehension maybe. If I felt Windows Phone was missing features and/or apps I was really dependent on, I simply hadn't bought into it.
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whats th epoinr of doing this>
IMO, going backwards not a good idea.
for me it is, i have great navigarion app for WM and it don't work on WP7, iOS and on Android with problems, or GCzII app for Geocaching, so for me great idea
majkeljj said:
for me it is, i have great navigarion app for WM and it don't work on WP7, iOS and on Android with problems, or GCzII app for Geocaching, so for me great idea
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True, true - AutoMapa rocks
majkeljj said:
for me it is, i have great navigarion app for WM and it don't work on WP7, iOS and on Android with problems, or GCzII app for Geocaching, so for me great idea
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Budniu said:
True, true - AutoMapa rocks
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It would rock to have Garmin Mobile XT up and running via this loader on WP7. I'm still running WM6.5 because of this software.
This will prove very useful for running emulators, flash, and legacy apps. Don't dis it. It's an app, not a flashed os. I'm wondering, though, if they could use any of the code from this to develop an android emulator. I mean, my windows phone rocks, but extra compatibility is always welcome. Keep it up DFT
i would use just to trick people into thinking i flashed it onto my focus
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I dont see the reason for the hate....it may not make sense to run win95 on currrent hardware but u cant apply the same logic when wp7 is missing features/apps wm had.
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Just think. if you can run Windows 95 on a phone you can play Doom.... 1 or 2
Well if you have a keyboard...