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...and by safe I really mean a logical, usable size for caches etc. In example, a size which wouldn't give me problems when, I'm browsing in "heavy" websites, downloading through marketplace, or receiving messages and emails.
Since I got my desire and flashed the latest LeeDroid ROM, I've started installing apps like there's no tomorrow. Naturally, most of them I just try and discard, but a lot of them I just keep on my phone even if I use them once a week, or even once a month. With A2SD enabled, I currently have a whopping 188 apps installed. I think they will soon classify a psychiatric condition named after me. That leaves me with around 25mb left in Internal storage, and around 20mb remaining in A2SD.
On my Touch Pro, again, with a [censored]load of apps installed, I usually left around 30mb of free memory, just for various caches. Would it be wise to do the same for android, or should I just wait for the "low space" notification to start clearing things out?.
So I'm wondering. How much free storage you guys have on your desire? And how much would you consider it would be wise to leave free. Would a full-featured site use more than, say 10mb of cache? Would we ever need more than 10mb of cache for mail or messages? Any other serious disadvantages of having an -almost full- internal storage space?
(I already got brut mod for google maps, so maps cache ain't a problem)
Sorry for the long post and possibly needless question... insomnia at it's best
akpidis said:
... How much free storage you guys have on your desire?
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Hit the wall today...
became unstable ..
trouble getting data connections (good reception area)
Camera app not connecting to camera
slow
Down to 8MB internal free !! (cachemate only freed additional 2MB)
214 apps ;-)
A2SD(+) 1.24 GB free / 1.92GB total
Time to delete apps now
Need a better a2sd(+) or bigger phone !
Yes I think that until the memory leak in the contacts storage is fixed, we Desire users are going to have to get used to doing a hard reset every month or so. Currently have 85mb of phone storage left after a hard reset last week. Before that I was down to 12Mb.
130MB using SuperVillain. I only have around 25 apps though.
Leave 10% or more free. Less than 10% will cause things to start breaking.
memory
hi guys iv got about 110 apps or so and still got 305mb mem on my desire and thats internal memory buy using data2sd very good the only problems i got is my phone crashes and freezes now and again thing its my sd card so is going to try another
I'm using LeeDroid's ROM and am left with about 22MB - how are you lot doing an app count? I know I've got quite few apps installed. It's a shame we have to worry about this. I thought I had saw the end of it when I moved from WM6.X devices!
Apps2ext/data2sd (or variants) seems to be the way forward, but as said, there seem to be stability issues at the moment.
The new Nexus S comes with 16GB nand memory - this is what all android phones should have had from the beginning - bigger internal memory.
WARNING, dont get it wrong.
The new Nexus S indeed has 16GB memory ...
But only 1GB for internal memory where you can use to install app.
It has 13 GB as "emulated SD card".
Read this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=868772
sh500 said:
I'm using LeeDroid's ROM and am left with about 22MB - how are you lot doing an app count? I know I've got quite few apps installed. It's a shame we have to worry about this. I thought I had saw the end of it when I moved from WM6.X devices!
Apps2ext/data2sd (or variants) seems to be the way forward, but as said, there seem to be stability issues at the moment.
The new Nexus S comes with 16GB nand memory - this is what all android phones should have had from the beginning - bigger internal memory.
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That's still a lot of apps to be stored in 1GB! If that guy up there fit 200ish apps in around our 140MB of space with A2SD+, then theoretically you could put like nearly 1000 apps on the nexus S!
Ah I see...I take that back then!
How comes Apple can do it with their phones but none that are running Android can?? Is it simply a cost thing?
It's obviously apparent that many Android users are installing apps/games mounting way over 500MB.
Got data2ext and have 1.7GB free. I left some directories on the internal storage and created some links. I have to say it working pretty well. Almost no performance lost. Only noticed performance issue while playing asphalt hd.
But the internal storage of nexus s is a step forward. But still more improvement needed. Once they fix those storage issues we will get greater and bigger apps.
R
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paulgun said:
214 apps ;-)
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down to only 172 apps (29 MB internal free)...
I Figure I could get another 100MB internal free by repackaging
a ROM by removing 99% of the install packages
and installing manually from copies from the FAT32 Sdcard after first boot.
This fresh install would push most of the installed files to the A2SD+ ext3 part of the sdcard.
Seems a waste of space having over 100MB flashed on r/o ROM storage,
taking away from internal:
/data/app/*.apk [9 MB]
/system/app/*.apk [98 MB] {HTC* 30MB }
/system/customize/resource/bootanimation.zip [2 MB]
Anyone tried this approach?
I suspect knowing what to leave to have a minimal system is the trick?
Can I boot with 0 system apps installed ?
I'm thinking "why not" , I can use the command line adb , so I don't think
I even need a gui or fileexplorer app at all ?
Will think about it when the latest LeeDroid has stablised... TBA
65 apps installed, for 55 MB total, and I've got 16MB of free internal storage...
Seriously, I'm reading a lot of thread on this matter and I can't figure out: what's wrong with this phone internal memory?
HTC States 512MB Rom and 576MB RAM (can't put the link here 'cause I'm noob but you can google it), if I'm not wrong the Rom is the apps storage, right?
With DiskUsage I see 147MB of total internal storage memory (a recurrent number, but on the threads I read no one seems to care about the 365MB vanished like fog in the mouring), occupied for a good 90% by apps, cache and data.
I've the official last Froyo Update (I only rooted it with unrevoked and substituted the recovery but the ROM is the official one), and I've set on SD card all the apps that permit it.
Yes I know that I must install app2sd and I'm shure I will do it soon, but that is not the point.
The point is: please, someone can explain to me where I'm wrong in my calculations, or what bug or know issue I'm missing?
spile wrote: "Yes I think that until the memory leak in the contacts storage is fixed..." but again: even this search lead me to an endless list of topics in wich someone say: "Hey my contacts storage on HTC Desire is 40MB, how's that? " and someone other: "Use apps2sd 'cause HTC is bad".
Worst: that's not my case, my contacts storage state 3MB.
Again I know that in a way or another I'm ending this with apps2sd, but again I say it's not my point: my point is I want to undestand where is the problem and, most of all, if complaining directly to HTC is a waste o time that put me as the last one in a row of people condemned to ***** about HTC Desire's memory for the rest of their's life
Sorry for the long rant but I've done my search (at least I've tried, maybe I missed that one topic of revelations) and I want to put all the informations on the table so to not waste more time of yours ^^;;;
Thanks anyway
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HTC Desire, software version: 2.29.405.2, rooted with unrevoked 3.
paulgun said:
I Figure I could get another 100MB internal free by repackaging
a ROM by removing 99% of the install packages
and installing manually from copies from the FAT32 Sdcard after first boot.
This fresh install would push most of the installed files to the A2SD+ ext3 part of the sdcard.
Seems a waste of space having over 100MB flashed on r/o ROM storage,
taking away from internal:
/data/app/*.apk [9 MB]
/system/app/*.apk [98 MB] {HTC* 30MB }
/system/customize/resource/bootanimation.zip [2 MB]
Anyone tried this approach?
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On second thoughts, it appears freeing space in /system,
won't really help /data much, so this would not help:
androidforums.com/desire-all-things-root/220627-faq-apps2sd-2.html#post1952939
sh500 said:
Apps2ext/data2sd (or variants) seems to be the way forward, but as said, there seem to be stability issues at the moment.
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After trying a dozen other things, I'd have to agree...
forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1598676#r2
Hit another wall today...
215+apps ;-)
A small number of apps won't install, even though >1GB internal free
using data2sd method.
talking-santa-free
raging-thunder-2-lite
The logs show it failed due to internal space
Perhaps /cache is too small now ?
im using my own cooked rom, and have atleast 300 apps installed, and i have 58mb free internal storage with 22mb cache partition, 190mb system partition and 222mb data partition
100mb free after 144 apps installed. Have N1table for data partition of 200mb. And app2sd helps a bit. No need for data2ext
Teleported from my brain cells
I've installed about 20mb of apps (fb @ 4.8mb, music app 5mb, rest = 10x<1mb apps w/ no cache usage) yet still only have about 14mb. Somehow I'm missing 100mb ish on a RUU'd Desire. Annoying.
Cirunz said:
65 apps installed, for 55 MB total, and I've got 16MB of free internal storage...
Seriously, I'm reading a lot of thread on this matter and I can't figure out: what's wrong with this phone internal memory?
HTC States 512MB Rom and 576MB RAM (can't put the link here 'cause I'm noob but you can google it), if I'm not wrong the Rom is the apps storage, right?
With DiskUsage I see 147MB of total internal storage memory (a recurrent number, but on the threads I read no one seems to care about the 365MB vanished like fog in the mouring), occupied for a good 90% by apps, cache and data.
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It did not vanish, the 365 mb is used by android system files and other stuff HTC throws into the phone. In theory, we only have 140+ mb to install apps.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
hey everyone
i have rooted my phone and installed cyanongen mod7, the fact is that i followed the noobprrof tutorial, and as he stated i partitioned my sd card, i left 1 gb ( its a 4gb memory now its divided to 3 and 1 ), but i didnt know where did it go and why i did partition my sd card, i thought it would add up to internal memory but it didnt...
please can anyone tell me whats the purpose of paritioning it ?? and how can i let apps get installed on this paritioned part if its purpose is so...
thanks in advance
It's for a2sd, it doesn't add up in internal memory, if you want to check if it's there download quick sytem info from the market, it's purpose is to store apps on your sd(mainly, there's always some data left.) for example when i had stock 2.2 froyo on my desire non rooted, i couldn't have more than 165-170 apps, now i have 379 and ext is also for the rom itself, like a sense rom doesn't fit totally on the system partion, so the part which doesn't fit is on your sd
Hope you understand it
thank u, i actually understood wut ur saying
for instance, i have downloaded games and stuff, now the phone says that the phonememory is on low storage, i still have like 30 mb... i tend to move apps from phone to sd card...
incase all internal memory is used will it conitinue installing on the 1gb i have paritioned... and is it just a notification that doesnt effect anything...
i also would like to ask if i can i can automatically download & install the apps from the market on the sd card...
thanks again
ps: i checked the system info and yes it is there... a2sd 0.96gb and 0.9gb free
It's not just like that
If you install an app for instance google earth, it's around 24mb, 300-400kb will stay on your phone and the rest will go to that partition automatically, although some apps like this iBeer i installed is fully on sd, it depends, but if you're low on memory just move some apps manually to your sd(this doesn't make them move to the ext but fat32 partition(the part that windows can see). If you just insert a SD and applt android's app2sd not a lot of the app will go to the sd, on the other hand the a2sd implied in rom's doesn't give you limitless place till you sd is full. If you want that apply data2sd, that adds to the internal memory as you thought
the max apps you can put on your desire with a2sd is max 400 i think, as i can't move any app manually to sd, and i have 35mb left with 379 apps
hope u understand it even better now
ok i did move the apps 2 sdcard, but they are moved to the 3gb partition and not the 1gb partition which i cant see, i only want to know what is the purpose of this 1gb that i made due to the tutorial... since i cant move apps to it or even put files on via usb ( as music and stuff )... then why is it created... ??
ps : the 1 gb is ext4 the 3gb is the fat32
i really wish there was some thread explaining all , maybe i would have let ur life easier hehe, im sory but im new on android...
thanks again
What did you use to create the 1gb partition? Did you use something like mini partition .. under windows?
I had a hell of a time trying to get it to work this way (if you did) the solution i found was to get the gparted live cd (google it) and run the partitioning wizard on that and the auto apps2sd will work.
The point of doing it is that some roms need more space than the desire has, I'm using insert coin and it needs a proparly formatted ext3 to work to fit the whole rom onto the phone.
Have you checked using quick system info to see if the a2sd storage is being recognised?
hey amriving
actually i did divide my sd card with gparted, everythings going great, but the fact that i cant use the 1000 mb ext2 partition (app2sd) is wut im asking about... (total of 4gb memory)
i mean when i move the apps to sd card they go to the 3gb fat32 space i have, and not the 1gb i partitioned...
so what i want to know is what is the purpose of this (app2sd) 1gb ext2 partition, how can i use it
i checked the system info and i found that there is 0.96gb of the app2sd partition and there is free 0.9 gb,
i have cyanogen mod7 rom
and thanks for the reply
Don't move it to sd, i think you didn't understood me, it does it automatically, just install a app, look at it's size, then delete it, you'll see that not that size went away from your memory but much less
You can't use it through windows, only if you have linux you'll be able to see inside the ext also with root explorer( go to recovery and then mounts then press mount EXT )
And they go to the 1GB partition. There will be an android.secure in your sd with apps, but if it wouldn't work, i wouldn't have 55mb android.secure with 390 apps now! and just 100mb free on 1.4GB ext, Just don't question this anymore, download 100 apps, you'll see it very well then if you don't then you obviously have a problem
thanks everyone
android.secure is on 3gb fat32 not the 1 gb ext...
i also went to recovery its on mount sd ext...
guys what i want to know is why when moving the apps to sdcard, they are going to 3gb fat32 partition instead of 1gb ext4 partition...
is nt it supposed to go to 1gb ext4 partition ?! which is the reason every android user is doing for ... ?
i have checked the ap2sd and yes it is there
android.secure file is in 3gb partition not the 1gb ext4 partition
No no you didn't understand me, look normally with 160 apps would your phone memory be full, and your android.secure(on the 3gb partition) be large, now it shouldn't be very big anymore, because for example city story is 23mb, 1mb on phone memory and 22 on ext. normally this would be 5-10 mb on phone memory and remainder on the 3gb(fat32 partition) now this is most of the times divided over the 3 or just in ext and phone memory, and the main reason is a lot of the app goes on the ext
answer
F*S Even i, a noob understood it 3 times allready..
btw this answers my final question here
listen(more like read), i'll try to resimplify the answer for you, think of an android app as a windows app.
a windows app is Commonly installed in 3 - yes THREE seprate location at once!
1. Main Program Files - C:\program files\<APP NAME HERE>
this contains all the app's inner working, modules, GUI, sound, pictures and stuff - most of the app is located here so this folder is 'heavy'
2. appdata - C:\Users\<USER NAME HERE>\appdata\<Local \ Roaming>\<APP NAME HERE>
this may contain any setting, saves, projects, and temp files for the app to use.
so only some parts make it here - litewight but still takes up space..
3. Registry - run>regedit.exe
this is sort of a log file for all windows operation, installaions, apps location and sometimes even app settings
again litewight but takes place..
SAME WITH ANDROID - sort of..
an android app contains Resource Data - like program files, the 'exeutable', settings, modules, critical data for the exeutable and more..
and so when you use the traditional APPS2SD that comes Froyo+ ( settings>apps>google earth>move to SD/PHONE )
all the non-critical data and resources move to the SD fat32 patition.
all the remaining critical data, 'exeutable' and stuff remain on the internal memory which still takes up valuable internal space, that's where a2sd+ comes in, as mentioned before, a2sd+ again moves to rest of the remaining appdata to the ext, and only tiny critical part of the app remains on the internal memory - therefor you get to install many apps until you internal memory fills up or the ext fills up, this time only the absolute critical app files that cant be moved to the ext OR the fat32..
as TopGear63z said:
most of the times divided over the 3 or just in ext and phone memory, and the main reason is a lot of the app goes on the ext
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data2sd extends your internal storage..
a2sd+ lets you install more aps
EXPERTS: Please verify my answer as i am also a noob and this is my understanding on the subject, i maybe very wrong or very right
PS: Why double post
thankyou asaf400
actually i know all this and i really appreciate ur reply
but wut i wanted is to install apps on ext, and actually i found it i downloaded simple2ext app and now i have 150mb free internal memory, see now all apps are on ext part of the memory card... this is what i wanted to know...
thanks all
or you could just flash a data2sd based custom rom like droidzone's starburst or gingerburst... you'll get upto 2gb of internal memory from the start
Hi there,
I have successfully rooted and tweaked my Wildfire a few weeks ago and did some fine tuning since then (a lot to be honest).
XDA Developers has been a great help (obviously) but I got stuck at a few points.
There's especially one thing I'm a bit confused about: there seem to exist mainly four methods/ways to gain more internal memory:
re-partition the system, cache and data partitions
use Apps2SD (CM7)
use Darktremor Script
set up an ext partition on the SD card and move apps there (different methods)
Some of them could be used in combination.
I've read and experimented a lot but - as I said - I got stuck and a bit confused so I'll ask here for opinions/hints and probably a bit more clarification.
As you can see in my specs below I've already adjusted my internal partitions. Although I've gained a lot more space with that and being very selective which apps to install I don't feel lucky with my 312Mb.
My questions:
What would you choose to gain more space on the phone? Making an ext partition on SD or simply use CM7s built in Apps2SD?
I've read here about "S2E" - is this a good solution to work with an ext partition?
Any suggestions/hints/experiences?
Phone: HTC Wildfire S-Off By AlphaRevX
Android: 2.3.7
OverClocked: 264MHz-710MHz SmartAssV2
VM Heap Size: 32m
ROM: CM7 Nightly (7.2.0-RC0-buzz-KANG)
Radio: 13.55.55.24H_3.35.20.10
Recovery: ClockworkMod 5.0.2.0
Kernel: 2.6.35.14-nFinity [email protected] #1
Internal Memory: 320Mb Custom MTD Partition
-=V6 SuperCharger=-
Well to me it seems you already have your answer.
I personally use custom mtd settings of 145 10 and use absolutely no sd partition or a2sd what so ever. I've got quite a few apps but my internal memory has well over 200mb remaining.
In my opinion partitioning or moving apps etc just makes your system work a little harder but when using just the internal memory even with custom sizes seems to work best for me.
"sent from me2u"
I perosnaly am just using DarkTremor A2SD and I have about 100MB of free space with over 150 apps installed (140 in the app drawer, as the attachment shows, 4x5 and 7 dots up top)
slymobi said:
Well to me it seems you already have your answer.
...
In my opinion partitioning or moving apps etc just makes your system work a little harder
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As you might have guessed that's not the answer I wanted to hear lol (but why I'm not surprised...?)
Well, in more detail I have quite a few apps I don't use very often - but I want to have on my phone for some reason. At the moment my free space is around 40-60 MB and I have the feeling that performance slightly went down a bit over the past weeks... (might be subjective though)
But anyway: that kind of honest opinion is exactly what I'm after, so thnx for your answer
[OT: regarding the nightly thread I'm not yet allowed to post in: yes, those 2 latest versions have scrolling cache disabled and I've had the feeling that it's a good thing...]
Swyped via XDA app from my HTC wildfire (buzz)
eventcom said:
As you might have guessed that's not the answer I wanted to hear lol (but why I'm not surprised...?)
Well, in more detail I have quite a few apps I don't use very often - but I want to have on my phone for some reason. At the moment my free space is around 40-60 MB and I have the feeling that performance slightly went down a bit over the past weeks... (might be subjective though)
But anyway: that kind of honest opinion is exactly what I'm after, so thnx for your answer
[OT: regarding the nightly thread I'm not yet allowed to post in: yes, those 2 latest versions have scrolling cache disabled and I've had the feeling that it's a good thing...]
Swyped via XDA app from my HTC wildfire (buzz)
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Hi,you can use any of the methods you've stated in conjunction with the mtd ,the reason I don't use any apps to SD mods is due to 2 things.1.I have enough space left internally so not needed. 2.although it's very slim the chance of something corrupting in sdcard would simply cause errors for the apps moved to SD so my paranoia strays me from using any a2sd mods etc.I did in the past used dt app2sd and it worked fine.obviously if you are getting so low on memory even after the mtd then you might be best moving some of the lesser used apps to SD. In this case I personally would try the cm7 built in method . Others may differ but this is my opinion.
Ot. The scrolling cache removal in erwinp and cobje latest builds does not play nice on my phone but others are reporting scrolling improvement so I think it may be hit and miss for the benefits.
Anyways hope you find the method which works best for you.
Regards Slymobi.
"sent from me2u"
I was using mtd partition and dta2sd while on cm7, they work fine together. Just make sure if you use them both to do the mtd partition before installing dta2sd.
The amount of internal storage you have (or don't have) is probably not the cause of your system being sluggish, its most likely what is running in the background, yes the built in taskkiller does a good job but the more apps you have the more it has to do to keep things smooth
I recommend an app I use called autostarts, its better than a taskkiller as it'll stop all the apps that you don't want running in the background constantly starting then being killed then starting again.........
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using xda premium
Well, I thought I should complete the thread with my (ongoing) experiences:
Due to the fact that I've been really short on internal storage lately I've decided to give an ext partition on SD a try.
After stumbling over the really sweet & simple sounding "S2E" app I've been a bit shy to give it a go because the last (& rare) posts here @XDA dev about user experience with the app are not very fresh. But after having some issues like another member described here my latest tweaks & changes were lost anyway so I've decided to give it a try while doing everything from scratch anyway.
I'm happy with it so far - all apps on sd-ext now, I'll probably try out (with doing two nandroid backups before...) to move the dalvic cache also but I'm uncertain with that at the moment LOL
Scratch0805 said:
I recommend an app I use called autostarts
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very nice - that's what I've been looking for: preventing all those apps from constantly starting up without need - thx
Next step done: moved the Dalvic cache over.
I'm pretty much satisfied so far. Everything runs smooth, stable and fast.
In numbers: Around 120 apps (100Mb) and dalvic cache (90Mb) on sd-ext, app data left on internal memory. Around 190Mb internal memory free (of 300). More than 100Mb of free RAM @ 15-20 processes running.
So far - so good. I'll watch this a while (and guess what?: I got married to a second wife, her name's "nandroid"...)
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App
What's your configuration ?
eventcom said:
Next step done: moved the Dalvic cache over.
I'm pretty much satisfied so far. Everything runs smooth, stable and fast.
In numbers: Around 120 apps (100Mb) and dalvic cache (90Mb) on sd-ext, app data left on internal memory. Around 190Mb internal memory free (of 300). More than 100Mb of free RAM @ 15-20 processes running.
So far - so good. I'll watch this a while (and guess what?: I got married to a second wife, her name's "nandroid"...)
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App
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Hey,What is storage space of your SD Card ?
What's the Ext size and Swap size allocated ?
I have got 2 GB SD Card and I am doing the fresh install.
Should I configure the memory following this :
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/44675-how-to-configure-a-sd-ext-on-htc-buzz-wildfire/
i.e Ext size (1024M) and Swap size(32M) ?????
Thanks
Hi, unfortunately I've been too busy for a few more things to post here...
optimusodd said:
Hey,What is storage space of your SD Card ?
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Mine is 8GB - when I started with ext partition it has been a class 4 and worked pretty well - now I have a class 10 - which seems to be a bit faster and a bit more stable but not 6 times more (and I haven't done any testing as it runs stable all the time now)
What's the Ext size and Swap size allocated ?
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AFAIR I've allocated 1024MB - FreeSpace (app by the s2e dev) says I'm having 960MB
I have got 2 GB SD Card and I am doing the fresh install.
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have you already done the custom mtd stuff? (just because that's what really helped me most to get the performance back...)
Should I configure the memory following this :
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/44675-how-to-configure-a-sd-ext-on-htc-buzz-wildfire/
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I have done it with CWM recovery like suggested in the thread
i.e Ext size (1024M) and Swap size(32M) ?????
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For the EXT size yes, for the swap size I'm not sure if I configured an ext swap partition at all (I'm not sure if this is necessary with s2e - thought it just needs the partition and does the rest itself...)
Also make sure that you read the warning about moving app DATA to ext, too. I even didn't try to do so...
What I've also done is setting the SD card cache to 2048KB - you can do a speed test with SD tools and set the optimal cache with SD booster.
HTH
eventcom said:
Mine is 8GB - when I started with ext partition it has been a class 4 and worked pretty well - now I have a class 10 - which seems to be a bit faster and a bit more stable but not 6 times more (and I haven't done any testing as it runs stable all the time now)
AFAIR I've allocated 1024MB - FreeSpace (app by the s2e dev) says I'm having 960MB
have you already done the custom mtd stuff? (just because that's what really helped me most to get the performance back...)
I have done it with CWM recovery like suggested in the thread
For the EXT size yes, for the swap size I'm not sure if I configured an ext swap partition at all (I'm not sure if this is necessary with s2e - thought it just needs the partition and does the rest itself...)
Also make sure that you read the warning about moving app DATA to ext, too. I even didn't try to do so...
What I've also done is setting the SD card cache to 2048KB - you can do a speed test with SD tools and set the optimal cache with SD booster.
HTH
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You allocated 1024MB for Ext coz you have got 8GB Card.
Mine is 2GB so what should be the Ext size for it ?( 256MB or 512 MB would not be enough ?)
What should it be ? Ext2 or Ext4 ?
According to this : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1432459
“Choose Ext2, Ext3 or Ext4 for partition type based on whether your kernel supports Ext4. If it does choose it! If you don't know choose Ext2 to be safe.”
Yes I am done with Custom MTD Partitions.
You didn't try to do "what" ?
What’s up with this “swap” partition ?
It’s so confusing.Some people claim that “swap” is like virtual RAM and more RAM means a more efficient (and faster) device.
Here are the posts supporting “swap” :
http://www.mod2xtreme.com/showthrea...crease-RAM-using-Swap-File-and-Swap-Partition
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/...-the-wildfire/page__gopid__330791#entry330791
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/44675-how-to-configure-a-sd-ext-on-htc-buzz-wildfire/
While according to “Cyanogenmod” (http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Swap_and_Compcache ) and some member swap doesn’t make any diff .on android devices.
If that’s true and swape is useless then why so many forums going gaga over it on XDA at the first place ???It makes no sense. So bewildering.
Please go through my query :http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1738336
optimusodd said:
You allocated 1024MB for Ext coz you have got 8GB Card.
Mine is 2GB so what should be the Ext size for it ?( 256MB or 512 MB would not be enough ?)
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Hmm, let me think about it... When I saw your question the first time I thought that I would find it hard to go with a 2GB card. Here's why: I'm really not a music or video fanatic but 2GB are nothing if you have just a few mp3's or videos on your card (specifically your camera pics and videos for example...).
So if you say you don't need that - it should be ok.
For the size you need I could only tell from my personal experience, too:
I don't have much discipline with deleting or transferring unused stuff or garbage from my phone - so I might have a few apps installed I rarely or never use (anymore). But I don't collect apps just for fun also - so I'd say I've installed an average number of apps. 120 to be more specific. That makes 474MB used for the ext partition including installed & system apps and Dalvik cache (128MB).
So if you don't plan to install more than 120 apps, 512MB might work for you - I'd probably stuck with 1024 - even with a 2GB card - to prevent running out of space (what happens exactly when you just don't need it )
What should it be ? Ext2 or Ext4 ?
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To be honest: I can't remember exactly but I've read something about possible problems and incompatibilities with ext4. But I'm not sure if I faced that question at all when I partitioned my card with CWM... if so I'm pretty sure that I've chosen ext3 (just in case I'd like to install a different kernel some time in the future)
Following Oleg Krikun it should be ext3 or ext4 for S2E...
You didn't try to do "what" ?
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to move the app data to ext also
What’s up with this “swap” partition ?
It’s so confusing.Some people claim that “swap” is like virtual RAM and more RAM means a more efficient (and faster) device.
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Yes it might sound confusing - but there are a few things to consider also besides a simple "do it" or "leave it": More RAM is an advantage if it's true original system RAM which can be accessed fast and handled properly and stable. If you already have a fast processor and much system RAM you might also experience some improvement by using an additional swap partition.
For CM7 - especially on the Wildfire - I pretty much agree with that:
In some applications, this makes it seem as if the application never closed at all. This is not much different from traditional swap, except that Android apps are specially programed to write out very specific information, making Android's Memory Manager more efficient that swap.
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But your mileage may vary.
From my experience it's a bit trial and error to find the best setup and config for your phone - you should also know that there are differences between identical devices sometimes.
HTH
BTW: that's a funny post of user "Arfer":
Here are the posts supporting “swap” : (...)
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/...-the-wildfire/page__gopid__330791#entry330791
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he cheers about 126MB free memory but has left over 125MB wasted memory in his system partition. (In other words: using custom MTD partitions he would get at least 100MB more if using a CM7 ROM)
Much different from my specs LOL:
Code:
Name: Cache
Path: /cache
SIZE: 15MB
USED: 1MB
FREE: 13MB
Name: Data
Path: /data
SIZE: 300MB
USED: 229MB
FREE: 70MB
Name: Ext
Path: /sd-ext
SIZE: 960MB
USED: 474MB
FREE: 485MB
Name: SD-card
Path: /sdcard
SIZE: 6670MB
USED: 4509MB
FREE: 2160MB
Name: System
Path: /system
SIZE: 150MB
USED: 123MB
FREE: 26MB
Okay,thanks buddy ,I'm gonna give it a try.
Thanks for your helpful, constructive insight.I really appreciate that.
You rock!!:good:
eventcom said:
BTW: that's a funny post of user "Arfer":
he cheers about 126MB free memory but has left over 125MB wasted memory in his system partition. (In other words: using custom MTD partitions he would get at least 100MB more if using a CM7 ROM)
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LOL,I wonder if he is aware of MTD partition.
Okay,off to "Experimenter mode":fingers-crossed:
SD Card alignment
Hey,what's your take on "SD Card alignment "?
Anybody tried that ?
Here :
http://www.hjreggel.net/cardspeed/cs_calign.html
http://www.patriotmemory.com/forums/showthread.php?3696-HOWTO-Increase-write-speed-by-aligning-FAT32
Hmm, if I'm not totally wrong this has only to do with writing speed issues when you use the regular FAT32 partition of your card on your PC while the EXT partition is NOT FAT32 of course (but a system drive of the Android system) ;-)
Swyped from my HTC Wildfire (Buzz)
Dear XDA forum,
since a few roms i always get a "low on storage" warning, even after factory reset and flashing a new rom.
So i'd want to ask for a small summery of what storage there is inside the desire and on the sdcard and how to solve this problem
My sdcard is 16GB class 10. I didnt partition it manually (i think).
according to my desire it has effective 14.2gb.about 2gb are used and 4gb are free? that doesnt sound right.
so i guess its 2 partitions?
could anyone please tell me which mountpoint is which?
and how do i solve the low storage problem? do i need some a2sd script or do i have to more the internal storage to the sdcard?
which mountpoints do the scripts actarlly move?
i have no problem with repartitioning my sdcard. i was given to understand that u usually need a fat32 partition (for apps i guess) and an ext2/3 partition afterwards. some scripts even allow a swap partition at the end of the sdcard to be used as swap space. is that a good idea?
i know its a lot of questions :/ but i hope for some good answers :>
thanks & greetings,
soomon
my advice would be to backup your sd card and (re)partition using gparted, start from scratch because I don't know what your current configuration is, step 5 here
choose ext3/ext4 partition (max ~1.5GB) depending on rom requirements, most support ext4 and should be slightly faster. most roms don't need swap partition.
in simple terms, your space will get taken up by apps (apks), dalvik cache, app cache and app data. most custom roms will automatically move apks to your sd-ext partition. there are various different scripts which move the other bits around. generally it is better to keep app data on internal (/data partition)
regardless of which rom you choose, use an app like 'diskusage' to browse all your partitions, so you can work out where and how all your space is being use.
to maximise space you also need to be s-off and correct hboot for the rom (again should be stated within each rom thread, or search within it)
ok so the first partition on the sdcard will become my sd-ext which will replace the /data partition on the internal storage.
I guess is hould try data2sd then?
with a class 10 it should not get that slow and i get loads of space on that partition.
thanks for your help.
also use links2d,very usefull.....
hi again,
as i see in a terminal emulator by typing "df -h"
my data is 150mb and has 15mb left, so i guess i better moe the whole partition to the sdcard as i'd have to move all the apps to the sdcard anyway sooner or later.
my /system has only 5mb of 250mb left. is that a problem?
soomon said:
hi again,
as i see in a terminal emulator by typing "df -h"
my data is 150mb and has 15mb left, so i guess i better moe the whole partition to the sdcard as i'd have to move all the apps to the sdcard anyway sooner or later.
my /system has only 5mb of 250mb left. is that a problem?
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depends entirely what rom you're running if any, and what scripts it uses. basically you should be able to find some way to install many apps without running out of space (one of the main reasons for rooting in the first place ).
with your current setup, you could try something like link2sd to just move apps and dalvik to sd, see if you have enough space that way. you shouldnt have to manually 'move to sd', keeping them on 'internal' tricks them to sd-ext. (you can use something like 'diskusage' to check they're actually on the sd-ext)
the system partition is meant to be mostly full. free space on /system is wasted space.
you're still on stock hboot, which is why your data partition is so small.
if you install another rom, many of them have a smaller system size, so if you're s-off you can flash a different hboot to repartition your internal memory layout: your system size will reduce to roughly match your rom, and the saved space is converted into extra data space, see alpharev.nl for hboots.
e.g. if your rom system is 140MB, will fit nicely into cm7r2 hboot with 145MB system, and you get 287MB of data instead of 150MB. 287MB can be enough to store app data and dalvik cache if you don't have too many apps.
i refer you to these sets of guides for further reading, should explain a lot more, and better than i have...
thanks eddie,
i'm still s-on and stock hboot, but i use a custom rom: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1766550
i guess the problem is that LBE gues 4 and lookout together need over 22mb of space :/
i'll try link2sd then.
thanks!
hm.. when i try to install link2sd i get "insufficient storage available". that program is not even 1MB in size and i have 15mb of free space on the internal storage.. what can i do?
edit: i'll try to install it at home with an adb tool. maybe i have more luck with that.
follow instructions for a2sd with that rom (scroll down). this will move apps and dalvik to sd-ext automatically. or follow/search the thread for other methods, it's regularly discussed...
[not used link2sd, it should in theory do the same thing, but my advice would be to stick with the instructions as that's the recommended way if you really need/want to install link2sd...uninstall something else to make more space ]
ofc removing apps might help (althrough i only installed 2 or 3). but 15mb should be enough to install a 800kb software
gonna try to install some apps later after running a2sd.
thanks a lot man didnt see that information.
I've tried the several of the 4.4.4 CM11, ominrom, and currently the carbonrom. All of them I'm having trouble getting several, if any, apps to the sd card.
The only apps that will go are messenger and terminal. The rest stay on the internal drive. However, even after flashing, I'm only left with 100mb to install apps on. After I run the gapps, there's not enough space to install more than one or two apps and the phone is pretty slow. It seems to be a common problem but I've done a ton of reading and believe I've followed all the instructions.
-partitioned exactly how the guide says using 4ext. no problems. ( my card is 64GB)
-a2sd via terminal also works
-my sd card shows in storage
Any help would be appreciated.
- How big is the partition, should be max 2GB.
- Install diskusage app, enable root and browse to your sd-ext partition, check that it is being used, should see /app and /dalvik-cache folders if setup correctly
- your internal memory won't read 'internal + sd-ext'. Keep apps on internal to trick them to sd-ext, so do not 'move to sd'
Thanks... I did a 1GB partition and re: your suggestion, it looks like I have everything is in order.
Does that mean the internal memory is just full with the ROM installation? Should I look at using an older/smaller rom?
rspear said:
Thanks... I did a 1GB partition and re: your suggestion, it looks like I have everything is in order.
Does that mean the internal memory is just full with the ROM installation? Should I look at using an older/smaller rom?
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You have ~1GB space for apps and dalvik-cache.
When it says 100MB remaining, this does not mean you have 100MB left for apps. This will be used for app data like app settings / saved game data, and app caches. It will still fill up the more you install, but more slowly. Again you can use the diskusage app to browse your /data partition.
The limiting factor is that your are still on stock hboot with only ~147MB actual internal memory (the same as before you rooted)
You can flash a different hboot (requires S-OFF), then flash a corresponding older ROM with smaller /system size like CM7 or Oxygen. That along with equivalent a2sd script will give you more app space. You will always eventually run out of space though
Awesome! Thanks for your time.