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question about trying out different ROMS

I just installed bugless, don't like it, I want to try out Damage, I'm using ROM Manager, do I have to uninstall bugless 1st, or can I just go to ROM Manager and install another rom over what I have now?
My phone doesnt have any apps or anything that I need to back up.

jontorres said:
I just installed bugless, don't like it, I want to try out Damage, I'm using ROM Manager, do I have to uninstall bugless 1st, or can I just go to ROM Manager and install another rom over what I have now?
My phone doesnt have any apps or anything that I need to back up.
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just install damage next, just select wipe when it asks you in rom manager

You just flash the new rom. If you ever switch 'base build #'s', like android base 2.1 to 2.2 for example, then you should clear you cache and all data before flashing.
It would be a good idea to check make a backup in rom manager just in case something goes strange during the new flash.
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timgt said:
just install damage next, just select wipe when it asks you in rom manager
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so the wipe practically removes the previous install....doesnt leave anything behind?

jontorres said:
so the wipe practically removes the previous install....doesnt leave anything behind?
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yes, it basically starts fresh. Wipes the data, cache, etc.

By the way, only reason im leaving bugless is Sprint Nav, TV and Voicemail are gone....these aren't available to install individually?
Well, and also leaving it bcus it wasn't quite bugless, was giving erros when changing settings on the phone, and while using some of the phones features.

jontorres said:
By the way, only reason im leaving bugless is Sprint Nav, TV and Voicemail are gone....these aren't available to install individually?
Well, and also leaving it bcus it wasn't quite bugless, was giving erros when changing settings on the phone, and while using some of the phones features.
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I'm pretty sure if you searched you would find them.
Here's sprint TV

Albaholic said:
I'm pretty sure if you searched you would find them.
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Thanks for the link, but no I wouldnt have found it as I wasnt aware these were available as stand alone, where would i find the rest of them?

Gee, maybe if you would of took my advice to begin with over at AF, and just started flashing them all and try them out. They all have pros and cons, it's all about what works best for you
Just an FYI, try out damage control, it's got everything you want. If there is anything you don't want just delete it. Same with fresh.

Installed Damage Control...will be a keeper.

jontorres said:
Installed Damage Control...will be a keeper.
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Also depending on how your rooted, you can use a file manager to delete the apps that you don't want.

Roman G said:
Also depending on how your rooted, you can use a file manager to delete the apps that you don't want.
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I used that step by step tutorial posted on AF.
Only think im wondering about is when i originaly installed bugless it was via ROM Manager, and when it asks you do you want to backup current ROM and wipe, I said yes to both, wasnt sure what ROM it was backing up as the only thing so far I had done to my phone was going through the full root process.
this time around when I installed DC I didnt select the option in ROM Manager to backup current ROM, still not sure it that questions pertains to the current installed rom, or the one being installed.....but in any case my internal phone storage says 313, and SD out of 7.41 5.85 is avail.
I used Astro to see if I identified anything from previous rom, but then again I wouldnt even know what to look for....hopefully I don't have any useless files lingering around taking up space.

jontorres said:
I used that step by step tutorial posted on AF.
Only think im wondering about is when i originaly installed bugless it was via ROM Manager, and when it asks you do you want to backup current ROM and wipe, I said yes to both, wasnt sure what ROM it was backing up as the only thing so far I had done to my phone was going through the full root process.
this time around when I installed DC I didnt select the option in ROM Manager to backup current ROM, still not sure it that questions pertains to the current installed rom, or the one being installed.....but in any case my internal phone storage says 313, and SD out of 7.41 5.85 is avail.
I used Astro to see if I identified anything from previous rom, but then again I wouldnt even know what to look for....hopefully I don't have any useless files lingering around taking up space.
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The one that you are backing up is the one that you are currently using. It is always a good idea to backup the current Rom. I always do right after I flash and verify everything is golden, and also after I get everything set up.
I find it easier just gong through recovery, than using the rom manager.

Roman G said:
The one that you are backing up is the one that you are currently using. It is always a good idea to backup the current Rom. I always do right after I flash and verify everything is golden, and also after I get everything set up.
I find it easier just gong through recovery, than using the rom manager.
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Yeah rom manager took about an hour, not sure why....i was afraid to stop it mid stream and do it manually.
In anycase Damage Control is perfect, I also added Launcher Pro, that way I can switch to sense once in a while, or the launcher that was on the rom, or launcher pro, this way I can switch it up once in a while to not get bored...other than that this rom is perfect, bugless had too many issues, and was too blah.

jontorres said:
Thanks for the link, but no I wouldnt have found it as I wasnt aware these were available as stand alone, where would i find the rest of them?
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From Flipz Fresh ROM thread
flipzmode said:
Amazon mp3 *
GSD #
HTC FM Radio
HTC Footprints and widget
HTC Mobile Guide *
HTC Navigation Panel
HTC Ringtone Trimmer
HTC Stocks and widget
Quick Office *
SDSA (Sprint Self Service) *
Sprint Nascar *
Sprint Navigation *
Sprint NFL *
Sprint Promotion *
Sprint WiFi Router
Teeter
Voice Search (I am constantly hitting it on accident while using my phone with one hand. I have also had issues with it killing audio on the phone). *
Removed apk's can be downloaded here and pushed back to the phone if you have problems with the sdcard method.
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Simplest way to remove unwanted system apps?

I want to keep the stock HTC factory ROM on the phone now. I want to remove some of the system apps that come preinstalled, that's all. Facebook, for example. What's the simplest way to do this?
Also, I want the OTA update to 2.2 when it comes, and I don't care if I lose root, so long as I can cherry-pick what programs are on my phone.
And I want a pony, too.
Seriously, isn't there an easy method to just kill a few apps that is noob-friendly?

Download estrongs file explorer, go into settings/root options/Select hiapk or cyanogenmod (whichever works, you will also be prompted to grant su permissions)/then mount.
Now you navigate to system/app and delete at will.
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adelaney said:
Download estrongs file explorer, go into settings/root options/Select hiapk or cyanogenmod (whichever works, you will also be prompted to grant su permissions)/then mount.
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Didn't work. Looks like root is required, plus a custom ROM flashed. Far too many steps to simply delete a preloaded system app. I'm running the stock HTC ROM. I suppose I can run Unrevoked3 to get root, but I have no interest in a custom ROM. I simply want the stock ROM with fewer apps. Thanks anyways...

adelaney said:
Download estrongs file explorer, go into settings/root options/Select hiapk or cyanogenmod (whichever works, you will also be prompted to grant su permissions)/then mount.
Now you navigate to system/app and delete at will.
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That doesn't work on the stock ROM
I would also like to remove some apps. I want to keep the stock ROM for now (tried some 2.2 and did not like them... I'll just wait for OTA) and I'm root. What are the posibilities?

Unrevoked only gives you root, you don't have to install a custom ROM. You could just root, keep the stock ROM and just delete whatever you want. Don't see much point in that though. I also hate FB, stock and all the rest but as long as you don't use them / sign in they don't do anything and the free space you gain will be useless.

Simply there is no way to remove system apps without root..
With root you can only do it in recovery by issuing adb commands or by simply deleting .apk files from a custom rom before you flash it.
edit: and i agree with pascanu no need, and you might just screw something up

So basically I have to get root access using something like Unrevoked3, then type in some commands (adb) in my computer, with the phone hooked up via USB, and delete the apps that way?
I can refer to one of the threads explaining how to use ADB, but a quick search tells me that I need to download & install the SDK to use it. Already we are getting way too complicated. Each solution I see involves downloading large files and installing software.
If this is the only way currently, than I can accept that. I have rooted phones and flashed ROMs before, and I am confident I could figure it out again if needed. I just don't want to bother now. I like the stock ROM from HTC on my Desire. All I want is control over exactly which apps live on my phone, just like I control which programs are on my PC. Imagine if you couldn't remove some toolbar or AOL from a new PC when you bought it? Scary, huh? That's where a lot of us are now.
Until it's easy and quick, I and the majority of users just won't bother. I'm still hoping it's possible, and if anyone can explain how to do it then please do.

Yes as i wrote there is no need for that, if you are going to root it should be because you want some of all the good stuff it comes with (wireless tether, a2sd, froyo, decent backup, custom theming etc.)
It is quite easy though.

I may know where you can get a pony..........

[Q] Unroot a custom rom?

Hey All,
For Work I need to install the app Good for Enterprise so I can get my calendar and work email pushed to my phone. Unfortunately it is company policy that it be unrooted. Presumeably a security issue. Is it possible to unroot a custom rom? i'd rather not go back to stock for the simple reason of app storage. I love A2SD+ and being able to have as many apps as I want installed. Also nandroid backups, that would go away without root too wouldn;t it? Can I just remove the SU.apk? Will that suffice to be "unrooted"? Is that even possible?

Tweak_four17 said:
Hey All,
For Work I need to install the app Good for Enterprise so I can get my calendar and work email pushed to my phone. Unfortunately it is company policy that it be unrooted. Presumeably a security issue. Is it possible to unroot a custom rom? i'd rather not go back to stock for the simple reason of app storage. I love A2SD+ and being able to have as many apps as I want installed. Also nandroid backups, that would go away without root too wouldn;t it? Can I just remove the SU.apk? Will that suffice to be "unrooted"? Is that even possible?
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If you want to unroot, you'll need to go back to stock.
The reason they want unrooted phones, is not so much a security issue, as it is they just don't understand or don't wish to deal with possible problems.

If you backup your apps and data you can run the official RUU, and it will put the original unrooted system to your phone. I don't know other method.
Here are the official ROMs: http://shipped-roms.com/index.php?category=android&model=Bravo

Removing the SU binaries will unroot you, I don't see the need as to why you have to be unrooted though.

apparently you can't use the new movie-rental feature of google's market, when you are rooted.
Is it possible to stick to a custom rom but unroot it, so that google recognises your phone as a not-rooted device and allows you to watch movies from market?
I don't need root-permissions every day - in fact I only need it for Titanium Backup, so deleting su-binaries and/or superuser.apk would be ok - but it must be possible to restore them (via recovery/adb) to run TB.
This probably isn't what google wants you to do since you can download the movie to watch later and if you have a working recovery you probably could get you hands on the downloaded files, but still - would be nice, if this was possible.

Easiest way to unroot and go back to stock is to stick a PB99IMG.zip on your sdcard, and turn your phone on with volume held down

How about this:
1) Go back to stock ROM via RUU
2) Install Good For Enterprise (I guess your IT department installs this, so they can check you are not rooted?)
3) ROOT the stock ROM using UnRevoked
4) Take a Titanium Backup of Good For Enterprise
5) Re-install your custom ROM
6) Restore the Titanium Backup of GfE
-> You have a rooted, custom ROM with GfE installed. And your company will never know!

madcr0w said:
Easiest way to unroot and go back to stock is to stick a PB99IMG.zip on your sdcard, and turn your phone on with volume held down
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Demonic idea
kuroneko007 said:
How about this:
1) Go back to stock ROM via RUU
2) Install Good For Enterprise (I guess your IT department installs this, so they can check you are not rooted?)
3) ROOT the stock ROM using UnRevoked
4) Take a Titanium Backup of Good For Enterprise
5) Re-install your custom ROM
6) Restore the Titanium Backup of GfE
-> You have a rooted, custom ROM with GfE installed. And your company will never know!
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I like your idea mate! Hahahahahaha....
Edit: Bad boy! Bad bad boy! hahahahahahahaha....

kuroneko007 said:
How about this:
1) Go back to stock ROM via RUU
2) Install Good For Enterprise (I guess your IT department installs this, so they can check you are not rooted?)
3) ROOT the stock ROM using UnRevoked
4) Take a Titanium Backup of Good For Enterprise
5) Re-install your custom ROM
6) Restore the Titanium Backup of GfE
-> You have a rooted, custom ROM with GfE installed. And your company will never know!
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Has anyone ever tested this?

Or why don't you just delete superuser via adb or android commander

good for enterprise checks for root access/ su every time it starts. It's not an issue of not being able to install the app. It's available for free on the market. The problem is when entering all your info and starting it up, it checks for SU.
I am guessing the best way around this is to install custom rom, set everything up that you need that requires SU/root. Then delete all the su/root related files. Then install Good.
Unfortunately I don't have a list of all the files that have to be deleted for this to work.
There have been reports that other users who have tried this method got it to work but the App stopped syncing after a few days.

List:
/system/app/superuser
/system/bin/su
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I tried this method, renamed the 2 files. It has been working for last 24 hours. I'll update again after a week if it still works..
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yep this works perfectly.

vvelumm said:
I tried this method, renamed the 2 files. It has been working for last 24 hours. I'll update again after a week if it still works..
Edit:
yep this works perfectly.
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You renamed SU.apk to SU.apk.bak most likely...
What did you rename the libs file to?

vvelumm said:
good for enterprise checks for root access/ su every time it starts. It's not an issue of not being able to install the app. It's available for free on the market. The problem is when entering all your info and starting it up, it checks for SU.
I am guessing the best way around this is to install custom rom, set everything up that you need that requires SU/root. Then delete all the su/root related files. Then install Good.
Unfortunately I don't have a list of all the files that have to be deleted for this to work.
There have been reports that other users who have tried this method got it to work but the App stopped syncing after a few days.
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I have rooted my HTC Salsa to get apps2sd which is great, but now my mobile banking app says it will not work on a rooted device, similar to your issue.
I am new to android modding, what commands do i need to enter where to rename the files you mention ?
Thanks in advance.
Mike

wont work good enterprises would more than likely check every time like sky go. you would have to removed a2sd command line i think and all su binarys ( and su.akp ( difficult as its normally a system app and once one of the su has been removed you dont have premition to remove the other/
and to the donunt who said ( the dont understand root) wanna cookie 0. basicly good enterprise is a secure web client for companys to send information to mobiles, i have it on my work (iphone) <<<< scummmy.. anyways as root gives to the option to do what ever you or anyone else wants with the phone in theory you could use that system to breack the law or for instance chaindd could possible put an update in to su that will take data from the company> for google videos ) well with root you can screen record ( basicly ) excuse the spelling im trying to find out how to un root and keep all of my system ui mods and themes and my rom ( proving difficult)

hey I know that this is based on a old post but I have a question did you ever find out how to unroot a custom rom that is pre-rooted?

[Q] Integrating system updates into ROM

My Desire's running the current Stock ROM, and is rooted via Unrevoked with S-Off via AlphaRev.
I'm constantly skirting close to the 15Mb remaining data limit. The thing is, I'm running fewer apps than ever before these days, what with apps getting bigger and system updates using up precious memory space.
So I thought I'd use Titanium Backup to integrate the system updates into the ROM and free up data space. So I nandroided, s-off'd and ran the batch to integrate the updates into the ROM.
The apps in question (off the top of my head) were Flash, Maps, Gmail, Youtube, Market, and a couple of others.
It didn't work.
At first it looked as if it had, but I was getting force closes when I ran them.
I tried doing a force close repair via ROM Manager, but that didn't help.
The only thing that did work was apparently Flash. But then I was browsing around because I didn't getting the memory back I was expecting and I can still see the flash files in data.
So the updates have been recovered back into data and I'm back where I started.
So how do I do this?
Should TB work? What's the best way to actually integrate these files into the ROM? Which files need moving? Is flash just libflashplayer.so, because there are 3 other flash .so files? Do I need to modify anything to point to the new locations?
I really hope that the new gingerbread ROM doesn't immediately need system updates, but I expect to be disappointed.
Ta
Matt

To be honest I don't really know the answer I've never tried.... Could it be the permissions? Root Explorer - data/apps... find app you want and edit permissions ?
Why not just get apps2sd or data2sd?

I'm not against apps2sd or data2sd, it's just that I dodn't like the idea of having two versions of the same app on the phone - it's just a waste.
I'm thinking I'll apply the upgrade when it comes (if it's any good) - hopefully most of the system app updates will be built in already. Then I'll look for a version that strips back system to the bare minimum and repartitions to minimise system/maximise data, and also has apps2sd or data2sd (not sure which at the mo).
I do find it strange, though, that so few experiences of TB's integrate into ROM feature are discussed on the net.
ta
Matt

How to backup and wipe

I'm kinda tired of the stock rom, neverending lacks of internal memory and my sd is empty... Now is 7mb, yesterday was 20mb of free, what I did from yesterday is 2 times call and 1 sms.
I need space, have 16 gigs SD card (900mb used) I want to remove all the build apps (facebook, htc apps...), root the phone (best would be option to fast change rooted/not rooted).
>>#Question 1: Is there a posibility to install Google Play without GMail, Maps etc?
I bought a book and want to start learning developing Android apps, now I can't do nothing on my phone because of no internal space problems.
Before that all I would like to NOT ROOT this stock rom (s-on) and backup everything (with apps, settings, photos, sms's) and store the backup to the PC and s-off it, wipe all internal memory and install something to try. When custom roms will not satisfy me I want to install this backup back and have everything as is now.
>>#Question 2: Is this possible? And how?

Installing custom roms without root ?
That can be compared to buying a Ferrari with a V2 engine.
Also, I'm not sure that it's possible.
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iXmerof said:
I'm kinda tired of the stock rom, neverending lacks of internal memory and my sd is empty... Now is 7mb, yesterday was 20mb of free, what I did from yesterday is 2 times call and 1 sms.
I need space, have 16 gigs SD card (900mb used) I want to remove all the build apps (facebook, htc apps...), root the phone (best would be option to fast change rooted/not rooted).
>>#Question 1: Is there a posibility to install Google Play without GMail, Maps etc?
I bought a book and want to start learning developing Android apps, now I can't do nothing on my phone because of no internal space problems.
Before that all I would like to NOT ROOT this stock rom (s-on) and backup everything (with apps, settings, photos, sms's) and store the backup to the PC and s-off it, wipe all internal memory and install something to try. When custom roms will not satisfy me I want to install this backup back and have everything as is now.
>>#Question 2: Is this possible? And how?
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You can take a complete backup or your current Stock ROM after rooting your device by either s-off or unlocked bootloader and install ClockworkMod recovery for your model. Then thru CWM you can take a backup. (Keep a copy safe on PC)
After this try installing your Custom ROMs of your choice.
If you are not satisfied with that, you can get back your Stock ROM thru CWM Recovery option.
Hope this may be useful. (If really, Just press 'Thanks")

I hope that without rooting or Unlocked Bootloader it is not possible to install a custom recovery such as Touch recovery or ClockworkMod Recovery. by that recovery only we are able to backup.
and it is also possible to return back to stock ROM (with Locked HBOOT and no more ***UNLOCKED*** logo by the Supervision method).
infact i checked in my A510E. so no problem....

Installing custom roms without root ?
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No, I wanted to backup not rooted stock firmware to have not rooted copy, after this root, s-off and everything what I have to do to install new fw.
You can take a complete backup or your current Stock ROM after rooting your device by either s-off or unlocked bootloader and install ClockworkMod recovery for your model. Then thru CWM you can take a backup. (Keep a copy safe on PC)
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I hope that without rooting or Unlocked Bootloader it is not possible to install a custom recovery such as Touch recovery or ClockworkMod Recovery. by that recovery only we are able to backup.
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So the only way is to first root my device (and make s-off too?) then make a backup? When I will restore this backed-up-rooted rom is a possibility to revert back it to non rooted state?

Ah, now I get it.
You can flash a custom recovery without root, use the search function to find out how.
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iXmerof said:
I'm kinda tired of the stock rom, neverending lacks of internal memory and my sd is empty... Now is 7mb, yesterday was 20mb of free, what I did from yesterday is 2 times call and 1 sms.
I need space, have 16 gigs SD card (900mb used) I want to remove all the build apps (facebook, htc apps...), root the phone (best would be option to fast change rooted/not rooted).
>>#Question 1: Is there a posibility to install Google Play without GMail, Maps etc?
I bought a book and want to start learning developing Android apps, now I can't do nothing on my phone because of no internal space problems.
Before that all I would like to NOT ROOT this stock rom (s-on) and backup everything (with apps, settings, photos, sms's) and store the backup to the PC and s-off it, wipe all internal memory and install something to try. When custom roms will not satisfy me I want to install this backup back and have everything as is now.
>>#Question 2: Is this possible? And how?
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you cannot remove any system app without root..!
by removing those gmail and maps won't increase your internel memory..it will increase space in system partition which is non-usable ..
have you tried apps2sd..?:good:

kantry123 said:
you cannot remove any system app without root..!
by removing those gmail and maps won't increase your internel memory..it will increase space in system partition which is non-usable ..
have you tried apps2sd..?:good:
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Those apps would be removed on cfw, not this stock one - stock has to stay as is with no change, saved to PC and removed from the smartphone.
I have installed apps2sd and installed only 2 apps (keyboard and qrcode reader) on internal memory only, doesn't helps. Google Maps is unused and weights only 2mb. I have 15 apps on SD, all are needed - uninstalling one makes more place on internal too. HTC Gallery non stop cries that it's not enough space to open pictures and movies (7mb free of internal) so I have to remove the stock and use data2sd to make ext partition on SD, that's my only idea.
P.S.
Is there any way to make folders not only on desktop but on all apps menu too? I can leave Sense for this option

App2sd is no good without root.
Everything you want to do requires root.
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iXmerof said:
Those apps would be removed on cfw, not this stock one - stock has to stay as is with no change, saved to PC and removed from the smartphone.
I have installed apps2sd and installed only 2 apps (keyboard and qrcode reader) on internal memory only, doesn't helps. Google Maps is unused and weights only 2mb. I have 15 apps on SD, all are needed - uninstalling one makes more place on internal too. HTC Gallery non stop cries that it's not enough space to open pictures and movies (7mb free of internal) so I have to remove the stock and use data2sd to make ext partition on SD, that's my only idea.
P.S.
Is there any way to make folders not only on desktop but on all apps menu too? I can leave Sense for this option
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Hey,
Don't be confused or think too much. If you loose one, you will get one...!!!
If you are ready to loose warranty & clear about what you do, then go ahead.
you can get more benefits by exploring the device....
You can't touch the system files without unlocking or rooted !.
Once you are unlocked the bootloader thru HTCdev.com you can't claim your warranty, Even though you install back the Original Stock ROM (Until I know but verify).
If you are rooted you can get more benefits Like,
1.Get more internal memory by installing Link2sd !! (No other way)
2. Install latest ROM's, Etc...
Hope this will help you....

Senthamil said:
Hey,
Don't be confused or think too much. If you loose one, you will get one...!!!
If you are ready to loose warranty & clear about what you do, then go ahead.
you can get more benefits by exploring the device....
You can't touch the system files without unlocking or rooted !.
Once you are unlocked the bootloader thru HTCdev.com you can't claim your warranty, Even though you install back the Original Stock ROM (Until I know but verify).
If you are rooted you can get more benefits Like,
1.Get more internal memory by installing Link2sd !! (No other way)
2. Install latest ROM's, Etc...
Hope this will help you....
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All you said I knew before, but thanks for helping - I very appreciate that.
I don't worry about warranty because I don't have it (self changed LCD screen after break). If root/cfw will not satisfy me I want go to non rooted state and don't lose all settings, apps, old market and everything what I have now (or cook something alone, but now I'm too green for it) - that's me by nature, I'm always making copies of anything.
I know that root is great, because of new possibilities. Mostly what I want from root is: space from SD as space for apps, OC (but pity that there is no chance for psx 3D emulation, 2D works great), firewall, deodexed files to modify some panels (add/change/remove options from ex. notification area).
Why I would to have switch between root/not rooted? Because HTC needs some licenses for advanced SDK (available on root freely) and I will test my future apps on the android state which most of peoples have - it's the only Android device I have. And not rooted state for daily use (without installing anything) is much easier I think.
This switch is not must be for me , I'm focusing to backup what I have now and then s-off it and try some cfw's.
My pathway: backup stock -> s-off/root -> root/s-off -> wipe -> install cfw. I don't want to modify stock rom without root, I don't want to touch something in stock, after backup it would be unlocked and tested, explored, modified and more more.
If it is not possible in that way I will think about some new ways what to do. It's my phone for daily use, I need it for to work and I'm not having always time to play with dev things and I'll have to fast revert back all changes (and backup what I've done to restore at free time). I don't have money for second one.

Backup stock>only possible with root/custom recovery
S-off>only possible with xtc clip
What you're asking is to run unrooted everyday, but root now and then for dev'ing. Might as well keep root for everyday use.
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