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Evening guys,
just installed the Neo drivers on my Rhodium, and want to test it with some intense 3d games, any suggestions?
Doughnut said:
Evening guys,
just installed the Neo drivers on my Rhodium, and want to test it with some intense 3d games, any suggestions?
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Solitaire
There really isnt much in terms of "3D games" for windows mobile.
Doughnut said:
test it with some intense 3d games
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XTRAKT. it is floating around in the themes applications and software forum.
please report whether the drivers provide any performance boost.
mastermarv said:
XTRAKT. it is floating around in the themes applications and software forum.
please report whether the drivers provide any performance boost.
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no lol, its running exactly same as before???
i also tried need for speed last night...runs flawlessly...not sure if it shouldnt on standard tp2???
Personally I noticed some lag/slow down in the "Hard" stages in Xtrackt. So you might wants to check on those. The normal (first five) work smoothly and flawlessly from what I saw.
There are other 3D games like prince of persia 3D HD but I haven´t tried them so I don´t know how threy handle with or without the 3D drivers.
Good luck and I hope you´ll report your findings.
Just tried Prince of Persia HD...
For a so called "HD" game the graphics are terrible IMO...
Xtrakt has superior graphics, as does Need for Speed Underground, all 3 seem to run flawlessly.
I think im expecting way too much, im expecting similar graphics to the PSP...Which will probably never happen lol...
Well, remember that no matter how good the graphics drivers the game shouldn't be any better than it was designed to originally be. Also Xtrakt was for the SE X1, meaning that it might have been optimized for the processor anyways.
How about FPSCE, the playstation emulator. It seems it doesn't run full speed on many games. Maybe the drivers will help a bit with it. Otherwise nothing else comes to mind other than things which normally don't work or only test the abilities such as the Quake 3 Arena port (which supposedly only runs at 5fps):
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-quake-3-arena-ce-v1-1b.html
the 3d benchmark tool:
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-3d-benchmark-v1-0b.html
and the diamond hologram software floating around here somewhere...
If we're lucky this game engine demoed on the X1 will make it into games that we can actually play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2yZ...-para-windows-mobile/&feature=player_embedded
Same...
Also Xtrakt was for the SE X1, meaning that it might have been optimized for the processor anyways.
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They both have the same processor: Qualcomm MSM7200 @ 528 Mhz, the only difference would be the d rivers implemented by Sony Ericsson.
Cyph
Madcypher said:
They both have the same processor: Qualcomm MSM7200 @ 528 Mhz, the only difference would be the d rivers implemented by Sony Ericsson.
Cyph
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That's what I meant. As it's a system on a chip if the game was designed to properly access the graphics chip on the x1 then it might run the best it will with or without installing the 3d drivers on the TP2 (and therefore it could be a bad test subject).
Hi Everybody!
Someone could please tell me why these two smartphones are a lot faster than our wildfire?
I don't think it depends on the CPU frequency because they are faster also versus the overclocked wildfire.
On these smartphones, in example, angry birds runs better than well! You can find gameplays on youtube!
I tryied playing on a gt-i5500 and the gameplay it's like on the iphone
I don't think these smartphones have a GPU...
So, why the wildfire, which cost a lot more, is so slow??? Please help me to understand
Wildfire costs more because of the brand. For example, a SOny TV is much more expensive than a LG of the same specs because of the brand`s name and history.
ok!
now, why it is so slow?
Its because it uses a very old CPU, with no GPU, and, utilizes the Sense Interface, which requires a lot of processing power.
the gt-i5500 and the ideos both have GPU?
marlock87 said:
the gt-i5500 and the ideos both have GPU?
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Ideos doesn't
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so, wildfire with cyanogenmod (no SENSE) with overclock should be faster than ideos
but you can see that this is not true!
i would like to understand how much this slowness is hardware or software related, because if it is software related ( opengl driver, ecc) maybe can be fixed
what do you think?
The wildfire cannot do angry birds due to the lack if gpu it is reallllly low framerate
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I think it's because i5500 has much smaller screen and therefore resolution. The same processor can faster reload images, because it requires less computing.
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I think it's because i5500 has much smaller screen and therefore resolution. The same processor can faster reload images, because it requires less computing.
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The i5500 does have a smaller screen (2.8" vs 3.2"), but, the resolution is the same (240x320), which implies the number of pixels on the screen are the same.
Huawei U8150 according to http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_u8150_ideos-3513.php
"528 MHz ARM 11 processor, Adreno 200 GPU, Qualcomm MSM7225 chipset"
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Huawei U8150 according to http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_u8150_ideos-3513.php
"528 MHz ARM 11 processor, Adreno 200 GPU, Qualcomm MSM7225 chipset"
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Ideos has an overclock CPU (made directly by Huawei) at 600Mhz.
I am saying that it has a GPU named "ADRENO 200"
interesting, could they (gmsarena) be wrong about this? so practically wildfire is as lame as ideos in gaming huh? well im just saying, they got that 3d game in their ads.. sucks tho.. im liking this ideos thing so far..
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interesting, could they (gmsarena) be wrong about this? so practically wildfire is as lame as ideos in gaming huh? well im just saying, they got that 3d game in their ads.. sucks tho.. im liking this ideos thing so far..
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They are. There is no GPU in the wildfire, and, it sucks at gaming. It should be your last priority if you intend to play even remotely taxing games, even ones like Angry Birds.
I don't know about the Ideos, but, there again I think GSMArena is wrong. AFAIK, MSM7225 does not support GPU's. Only 7227 does, which is rated at 600MHz. So, if as another member said, that it ships at 600MHz, there is a possibility is uses the 7227 instead of the 7225.
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They are. There is no GPU in the wildfire, and, it sucks at gaming. It should be your last priority if you intend to play even remotely taxing games, even ones like Angry Birds.
I don't know about the Ideos, but, there again I think GSMArena is wrong. AFAIK, MSM7225 does not support GPU's. Only 7227 does, which is rated at 600MHz. So, if as another member said, that it ships at 600MHz, there is a possibility is uses the 7227 instead of the 7225.
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so which is faster? ideos or galaxy 5?
I keep hearing that the Desire HD has a very good ATi GPU but so far all the 3D Games i've played do not look very good and have no Anti-Aliasing. I saw a 3D game on the iPhone 4 that was using the Unreal Engine and it looked amazing for a phone.
So are there any great games that look really good and show off the Desire HD GPU to its full potential?
Also I'm wondering if its possible to force Anti-Aliasing on for games that do not have it enabled? (I.e. Need for Speed: Shift)
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I keep hearing that the Desire HD has a very good ATi GPU but so far all the 3D Games i've played do not look very good and have no Anti-Aliasing. I saw a 3D game on the iPhone 4 that was using the Unreal Engine and it looked amazing for a phone.
So are there any great games that look really good and show off the Desire HD GPU to its full potential?
Also I'm wondering if its possible to force Anti-Aliasing on for games that do not have it enabled? (I.e. Need for Speed: Shift)
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I don't know if we can force the AA to always on, but this is an open source system, i'm sure someone will able to hack the GPU driver..
For games that really push the gpu, try playing gameloft Modern Combat 2 - Black Pegasus or even nova.. Black pegasus really blows me away..
Em, for iphone4, it's not that great actually, even angry birds looks jaggier than on my dhd.. At least that's why i'm comparing to my friends Iphone4, and he even amaze with the graphic quality on my dhd..
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I keep hearing that the Desire HD has a very good ATi GPU but so far all the 3D Games i've played do not look very good and have no Anti-Aliasing. I saw a 3D game on the iPhone 4 that was using the Unreal Engine and it looked amazing for a phone.
So are there any great games that look really good and show off the Desire HD GPU to its full potential?
Also I'm wondering if its possible to force Anti-Aliasing on for games that do not have it enabled? (I.e. Need for Speed: Shift)
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i dont know who told you the DHD had an ATI GPU but your mistaken, the DHD dosent even have dedicated graphics, (like the iphone and galaxy s) it uses the qualcomm adreno 205 GPU that is part of the snapdragon chipset adreno does support AA and you can use it in apps like PSX4Droid V2 and such, also try dungeon defenders, its also a game that used the unreal engine, and defo shows off adreno to its max
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM_3QG4U63I
Adreno is built by AMD/ATI and is indeed a part of snapdragon, but GPU and CPU are still seperated. So adreno is a dedicated gpu.
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Adreno is built by AMD/ATI and is indeed a part of snapdragon, but GPU and CPU are still seperated. So adreno is a dedicated gpu.
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^^^
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He is right!
Although in fact,Adreno was ATI until Qualcomm bought that department!
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He is right!
Although in fact,Adreno was ATI until Qualcomm bought that department!
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I didn't know that part
But amd still provides support to adreno or does qualcomm do that now? If Q does, than it's better to call adreno a Qnchip instead of amd
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He is right!
Although in fact,Adreno was ATI until Qualcomm bought that department!
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I didn't know that part
But amd still provides support to adreno or does qualcomm do that now? If Q does, than it's better to call adreno a Qnchip instead of amd
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regardless of who started the adreno project, it is now owned and made by qualcomm, it was nintendo who first started the "playstation" project, with sony only as advisers but its not the nintendo playstation now isit anyway as for dedicated graphics, the term "dedicated" refers to the gpu having dedicated vram, adreno uses shared vram therefore is not a dedicated graphics processing unit
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I didn't know that part
But amd still provides support to adreno or does qualcomm do that now? If Q does, than it's better to call adreno a Qnchip instead of amd
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Well,don't know about that!I suppose yes,Adreno(formerly Imageon) was a part of AMD's graphics department.I have no idea whether it was before or after AMD bought ATI though...
Hello, i palyed nova on my desire hd and it was ok, a bit laggy. Now i started plaing on nexus 7 and its... more laggy with hiper ultra graphic.... is there any way to turn graphic a bit down? I know on order and chaos its enaught to change optimozation=1 to optimizaton=3 in phonelist.txt but i have no idea for nova. My nexus is all stock.
Smexi-Nexi
What battery life you got when playing? As I find all my games lag under 25-30% really strange
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Its the same with 80 as 25 or 50. Just bad. OR gameloft didnt optimized yet nova 3...
Smexi-Nexi
Gameloft did not optimize the game for Tegra3.
Combine that with the fact that tegra3 has an abysmal memory bandwidth and a weak GPU.
The only reason google chose tegra3 for N7 is because it's the cheapest quad core SoC available.
So i hope in nexus 10 with S4 quad...... but forn now.... didmt gameloft said they will optimize nova3, mc3 and few other games specificly for n7?
Smexi-Nexi
Tarhaomenapuu said:
So i hope in nexus 10 with S4 quad...... but forn now.... didmt gameloft said they will optimize nova3, mc3 and few other games specificly for n7?
Smexi-Nexi
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you gotta root your N7 and install the clemsyn kernel to get the most out of gameloft titles. you don't even need to oc the cpu it's what he has done with the gpu that matters. clemsyn has two different versions a 650mhz gpu that i use and a 700mhz gpu just released either one will make nova3 play with no issues. you can also play asphalt7 with the high rez maps enabled which are off by default. trust me the clemsyn kernels are gaming kernels and they WORK.
cheers
The tegra 3 isn't slow by any means. Its that the game is not optimized at all. Its specifically related to Gameloft games. Phones with weaker gpus run it fine. The tegra 3 has plenty of power to run it.
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runs fine here with any kernel ive tried with the stock, aosp, or rasbean jelly roms. try redownloading the game data.
Sorry but i dont mean changing kernel or rom.... not on freash fully supported device...
Smexi-Nexi
Tarhaomenapuu said:
Sorry but i dont mean changing kernel or rom.... not on freash fully supported device...
Smexi-Nexi
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no, dont change the kernel or rom, try redownloading/reinstalling the game/data.
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The tegra 3 isn't slow by any means. Its that the game is not optimized at all. Its specifically related to Gameloft games. Phones with weaker gpus run it fine. The tegra 3 has plenty of power to run it.
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+1 my gs2 runs it like a champ as well as my buddys metropcs esteem
Ok, ill redownload, i have to change tab due to omfg screen lift anyway.
Smexi-Nexi
darkchazz said:
Gameloft did not optimize the game for Tegra3.
Combine that with the fact that tegra3 has an abysmal memory bandwidth and a weak GPU.
The only reason google chose tegra3 for N7 is because it's the cheapest quad core SoC available.
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ok for memory bandwith,but i don't think the tegra3 gpu is "weak".i can play good games with a power vr 540 on mine 2 gnex,with the tegra3 gpu i have wonderful graphic,especially with tegra optimized games.honestly s3 mali apart,i think geforce ulp is the best ATM .don't think adreno 225 is better that ours..only a rivisited 220 with directx support.and the fact of have tegra optimized games for me it'a good think.i was totally unsatisfied with tegra2 Soc,but with tegra3 in a device like n7,i'm good to go.i play nova without problem,not have like op sad
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ok for memory bandwith,but i don't think the tegra3 gpu is "weak".i can play good games with a power vr 540 on mine 2 gnex,with the tegra3 gpu i have wonderful graphic,especially with tegra optimized games.honestly s3 mali apart,i think geforce ulp is the best ATM .don't think adreno 225 is better that ours..only a rivisited 220 with directx support.and the fact of have tegra optimized games for me it'a good think.i was totally unsatisfied with tegra2 Soc,but with tegra3 in a device like n7,i'm good to go.i play nova without problem,not have like op sad
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Yeah, and the tegra 3 does a great job with the 2d rendering of android 4.0+. The adreno accelerates very little of the interface and the Mali (friends epic 4g touch) while fast was never as smooth as my nexus on cyanogenmod even with that low res screen.
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Nova 3 and most other Gameloft games have always run like dodo on my N7 and Prime (both tegra 3 devices), its not your hardware, custom kernels do help a little but not nearly enough to provide an enjoyable game experience, I'm gonna assume most who say Nova 3 runs fine with no lag, are more casual gamers rather then hard core gamers, this group generally accepts that anything over 15 FPS is "smooth gameplay to them", which is hardly smooth to me, as i'm in the group labelled hard core gamer. To me smooth is 60 FPS and above, the higher the FPS the smoother the gameplay is gonna feel, also micro stutters/freezes and pauses is not smooth, the term smooth is subjective...granted there isnt a FRAPS type utility for android however if you are a experienced hard core gamer you can generally estimate the FPS your getting, Nova on my N7 along with most other Gameloft games I'd say runs anywhere between 15- 40 FPS, if it was optimized it would alot smoother much like shadowgun dead trigger run, or Dark Meadow on the Unreal 3 engine.
casual gamers or hardcore gamers like you,when a person play a games and say that it's smooth,it's smooth and stop,i don't know why we should be hardcore gamers only to see if a games lags or not.Anyway i'm triyng few games of gameloft (not tegra optimized) and i admit that nova 3 it isn't perfect,need a bit of optimization yet.on mine gnex instaed runs very well,with power vr sgx 540 overclocked at 512 mhz
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djkinetic said:
Nova 3 and most other Gameloft games have always run like dodo on my N7 and Prime (both tegra 3 devices), its not your hardware, custom kernels do help a little but not nearly enough to provide an enjoyable game experience, I'm gonna assume most who say Nova 3 runs fine with no lag, are more casual gamers rather then hard core gamers, this group generally accepts that anything over 15 FPS is "smooth gameplay to them", which is hardly smooth to me, as i'm in the group labelled hard core gamer. To me smooth is 60 FPS and above, the higher the FPS the smoother the gameplay is gonna feel, also micro stutters/freezes and pauses is not smooth, the term smooth is subjective...granted there isnt a FRAPS type utility for android however if you are a experienced hard core gamer you can generally estimate the FPS your getting, Nova on my N7 along with most other Gameloft games I'd say runs anywhere between 15- 40 FPS, if it was optimized it would alot smoother much like shadowgun dead trigger run, or Dark Meadow on the Unreal 3 engine.
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I recently put together an Anti-Lag mod of this game which you can download form here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L40UZCTDC0
Hey guys, many of you will know that most games you play lack in FPS, most commonly in NFS most wanted or real racing 3, heck ive even see people say Temple run lags.
Some people say, Developers need to make the games work with the 16 core GPU as its not that common.
I looked it up, and it turns out that even though its a 16 core GPU it isnt even nearly as good as the Adreno 320 found in the nexus 4, Xperia Z etc and that the CPU Isnt as good as last years processors ( SD S4 Pro, Nvidia Quad core Tegra 3 )
to be fair I already knew that the Processor wasnt that good, but for anyone who says that their games arent running well its because of that.
I have to give a hand to Huawei though, in there recent firmware updates the benchmark scores have been getting higher, which is great meaning the processor, RAM and GPU are all working a little bit better then they were before.
Im just curious as to how long they can keep updating it to be better, it wont take long until mainstream games require a minimum of the equivalent of the Adreno 330.
Ive also read that the Huawei Ascend P6 + is it? The phablet version will have a better processor clocked at 1.6ghz and maybe a better GPU?
Anyone got any more info? or do games run well enough for you not to care?
Let me know
- Jack
The gaming performance is mixed. See this video: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HH8LskTQQWA
As you can see, some high graphics demanding games work well while others not. I don't game on mobile so didn't try any gaming except two days ago with Shadowgun: deadzone. I use B118. While on the video above, it only complains about glitches on panning, but for me oddly the whole graphics was corrupted and unplayable. Maybe someone with B117 or B116 Roms could check if shadowgun works better.
But I still doubt its a problem with the processor. Because the benchmarks are close to the Nexus 4 and S3. I doubt also there are any games made that would not be compatible with those devices and hence if it can work on that, it should work on the P6. It would take another year atleast before game developers plan to ignore Nexus 4 and Samsung S3.** Hence problem seems to come down to optimization.* (Also, with the shadowgun updating itself a week ago, they have officially said that the new update has problem with all Samsungs devices cause of its GPU and they would come with a fix. This could be the same issue with P6 that these games haven't been made to optimize for Vivante GC 4000.)
Furthermore, I also think that the unique abilities of the Huawei like the 64bit memory etc are not being taken advantage off because of other processors lacking it.
As for news on K3V3 and K3V2 Pro processor and the new P6S, see:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2487791
It's not a good gpu, never has been, it is not optimized for almost anything, because there are only 2 phones that use this gpu. The cpu isnt that fast either. A Nexus 4 (Which costs as much as P6) is way better in performance, support, user customisations, stock rom etc.
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It's not a good gpu, never has been, it is not optimized for almost anything, because there are only 2 phones that use this gpu. The cpu isnt that fast either. A Nexus 4 (Which costs as much as P6) is way better in performance, support, user customisations, stock rom etc.
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The nexus 4 is almost half the price at £159 for the 8gb and the huawei ascend P6 retails at £329 ( although its gone down from £329 too £309 to £279 )
The nexus 4 seems like the better option, ive had one, they're quick, good looking but the battery sucks and so does the camera.
Honestly, the only reason i want a P6 is the amazing build, i want a metal phone so badly ! and apparently the camera isnt half bad
Optimization seems to be the problem. Agreed. But can it be solved by firmware updates ? Or is it totally dependent on game developers ? Android 4.4 brings better optimizations including for games supposedly. So that would be one option im looking forward too. So if android is better optimized maybe soon the super power processors would get tough to differentiate on usage performance and would become less important.
If the GPU is inherently bad, then how can the likes of real racing 3, asphalt 8, modern warfare 4 work perfectly fine on it ?
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If the GPU is inherently bad, then how can the likes of real racing 3, asphalt 8, modern warfare 4 work perfectly fine on it ?
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I just played Asphalt 7 on the P6...lagging in menu's and in gameplay...
Engineers at HUAWEI screwed up a bit when chosing the GPU for otherwise pretty nice chip. While the GPU has an ok performance, since its olny present on very few devices, devs aren't showing much love. This is understandable, because I can see why devs wouldn't want to spend resources on optimizing their app for a GPU noone really has.
Since I don't use my device for gaming, I'm quite satisfied with my purchase.
Performance comparison of the GPU: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2671145379?lp=5027&is_bakan=0&mo_device=1
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Shadowgun: Deadzone works like this on my B118.
Any idea why the green man walking in screen happens ? I get in black too. And odd part is that i have seen users getting this problem when they play temple run even though there are other users including online reviews that find temple run working very smooth and fluid.
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Shadowgun: Deadzone works like this on my B118.
Any idea why the green man walking in screen happens ? I get in black too. And odd part is that i have seen users getting this problem when they play temple run even though there are other users including online reviews that find temple run working very smooth and fluid.
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i have the solution delete cache of the game this is because the game try to save textures in sd card or something like that
Hi, lags in games are because Huawei runs a QEMU'd "Android Emulator" called Goldfish. Its same emulator as used by Android SDK on our computers
They also patched the Kernel for avoid flickering. Witch is needed if using real GPU in Goldfish.
Both in that mix are Horrorful for whole system Performance.
U can see this really bad on Benchmarks and heavy 3D Games.
GPU is faster as Tegra 3 (May about 30%) belive it or not
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Hi, lags in games are because Huawei runs a QEMU'd "Android Emulator" called Goldfish. Its same emulator as used by Android SDK on our computers
They also patched the Kernel for avoid flickering. Witch is needed if using real GPU in Goldfish.
Both in that mix are Horrorful for whole system Performance.
U can see this really bad on Benchmarks and heavy 3D Games.
GPU is faster as Tegra 3 (May about 30%) belive it or not
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Yea must say im disappointed with GPU power on my P6 :/. My old SII is better in games :/
Is it really? I have no problem with graphics on it. If I want to play a game I generally use my PC. The P6 plays the little games perfectly.
Even Qualcomms new mid range 1.4ghz quad core processor is getting better antutu scores
http://androidcommunity.com/qualcom...rocessor-aimed-at-mid-range-devices-20131101/
I hope trace is right in that the kernal and so on are messed up by Huawei and hence the Huawei processors underperforming than what it really can. But more than games im actually looking out for the processor doing something special using up its unique capabilities like 64bit memory, more cores, and so on. Thereby allowing features like touchless control and advanced programming capabilities, better user interface performance and better battery management. Phones like Moto x and iPhones seem to perform much advanced even though they don't carry the highest end specs. And I would like such smart performance.
4 part series in-depth look into Vivante GPU:
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/09/11/vivante-gpu-tech-2d-uis/
Another review:
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Vivante-Challenging-the-Status-Quo-In-Mobile-GPUs/
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4 part series in-depth look into Vivante GPU:
http://semiaccurate.com/2013/09/11/vivante-gpu-tech-2d-uis/
Another review:
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Vivante-Challenging-the-Status-Quo-In-Mobile-GPUs/
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Nice.
P6 has 64bit Memory Hardware, but its scaled down to 32bits while processing cause Java cant use
Phone Hardware is a beast even if GPU based on Adreno200. This is 16Core, orginal Adreno200 is 1-2Core.
Dual sim version
Is huawei ascend P6 dual sim version released???
This GPU is really good in physics, better then my wifes optimus g with adreno 320. And if u run YouiLabs Shader Test, adreno wont even start the BALL test. Looks like adreno cant handle it. So this gpu seems be great in shaders and physics.