So this is interesting. There was a lot of confusion about T-Mobile U.S.' new phone the Hercules and whether or not it was an SGS2 variant. Well it is and it isn't. This link talks about a SGS2 version launching in Korea and Germany that uses the same Qualcomm SoC as the Sensation. That's an interesting choice because the Sensation does poorly on benchmarks. Other than being LTE equipped it's the same specs and looks the same at the T-Mobile U.S. Hercules. So apparently Samsung's being pretty liberal with what they define as a SGS2.
http://sammyhub.com/2011/08/09/is-this-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-lte-phone-codenamed-celox/
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I'm not sure I would be interested in this. It's a larger screen (4.5" is too big) and it will probably get worse battery life with LTE. I think I'll wait for the Galaxy S III.
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I'm not sure I would be interested in this. It's a larger screen (4.5" is too big) and it will probably get worse battery life with LTE. I think I'll wait for the Galaxy S III.
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The 8060 SoC sort of sucks in the Sensation. That would kill it for me before the 4.5" screen. It's actually using the same chip that's in the HP TouchPad. Interesting choice on Samsung's part. The radio is market specific so LTE won't be everywhere.
It looks like Samsung is trying to cash in on galaxy s name and push as many phones as they can.
Probably short term business decision regardless of consequences to its name.
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So this is interesting. There was a lot of confusion about T-Mobile U.S.' new phone the Hercules and whether or not it was an SGS2 variant. Well it is and it isn't. This link talks about a SGS2 version launching in Korea and Germany that uses the same Qualcomm SoC as the Sensation. That's an interesting choice because the Sensation does poorly on benchmarks. Other than being LTE equipped it's the same specs and looks the same at the T-Mobile U.S. Hercules. So apparently Samsung's being pretty liberal with what they define as a SGS2.
http://sammyhub.com/2011/08/09/is-this-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-lte-phone-codenamed-celox/
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Actually the Sensation chip sin't nearly as crappy as it was prior to getting s-off. Once developers were able to make kernel mods and other tweaks the chip performs much better than it did out of the box. I think some of the poor benchmark scores can be attributed to the qHD screen of the Sensation. However, I ran cf-bench last night with both my sgs2 and sensation clocked at 1.5ghz and the Sensation beat it each time. The gpu of the adreno 220 is surprisingly good. I would be interested to see the qualcomm chip properly implemented such that the hardware and software were coded in sync
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Actually the Sensation chip sin't nearly as crappy as it was prior to getting s-off. Once developers were able to make kernel mods and other tweaks the chip performs much better than it did out of the box. I think some of the poor benchmark scores can be attributed to the qHD screen of the Sensation. However, I ran cf-bench last night with both my sgs2 and sensation clocked at 1.5ghz and the Sensation beat it each time. The gpu of the adreno 220 is surprisingly good. I would be interested to see the qualcomm chip properly implemented such that the hardware and software were coded in sync
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If the same chip performs significantly faster in Samsung's implementation the Sensation folks are going to be pissed. I'd also imagine Samsung will do a much better job with video drivers so it'll support tons more formats than the Sensation. With all the rumors about Tegra being the alternate due to Exynos shortages it's interesting they went with Qualcomm.
I'd like my SII to have a 4.5" screen and the back cover of this phone. That's all.
I'm not real smart on this aspect of this technology (chips and perfrormance), but I really have doubt that the benchmarks accurately reflect real world performance.
I have an SGS2 and say take my Evo 3D, turn on hotspot, run my SGS2 off the Evo, and do a Speedtest app test on each; the Evo measures 7-9M's, the SGS2 runs 3ish.
I immediately run a series of graphic heavy site's simultaneously and the SG will finish quicker every time.
I'll run a comparison of Thunderbird on the almighty Verizon LTE.
The Speedtests are Th:19-21 lol, SGS (Hotspot... ting to Wimax) measuring 3ish, and and AGAIN,when it comes to site downloads SGS2 is just faster (more marginally).
That said, the Sensation was a disappointment. Makes sense to me that it wasn't all the chips fault.
But...all that said,gut tells me, those enjoying the SGS2 like I have are gonna be up for a let down in performance with Herc.
Hope I'm wrong. Been anticipating it myself.
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I'm not real smart on this aspect of this technology (chips and perfrormance), but I really have doubt that the benchmarks accurately reflect real world performance.
I have an SGS2 and say take my Evo 3D, turn on hotspot, run my SGS2 off the Evo, and do a Speedtest app test on each; the Evo measures 7-9M's, the SGS2 runs 3ish.
I immediately run a series of graphic heavy site's simultaneously and the SG will finish quicker every time.
I'll run a comparison of Thunderbird on the almighty Verizon LTE.
The Speedtests are Th:19-21 lol, SGS (Hotspot... ting to Wimax) measuring 3ish, and and AGAIN,when it comes to site downloads SGS2 is just faster (more marginally).
That said, the Sensation was a disappointment. Makes sense to me that it wasn't all the chips fault.
But...all that said,gut tells me, those enjoying the SGS2 like I have are gonna be up for a let down in performance with Herc.
Hope I'm wrong. Been anticipating it myself.
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You're basically comparing LTE (VZW), Wi-Max (Sprint), and HSPA+ (AT&T) which has nothing to do with the phone's processor. Play HD videos on the Sensation/E3D (Qualcomm) and SGS2 (Exynos) and you'll be quite surprised at the difference in real world performance. jlevy73 brings up an interesting point in that devs seem to be getting better perfromance out of the Sensation now that it's unlocked than HTC was able to. But devs are still dependent on the drivers provided by the OEMs so the Qualcomm chip on HTC phones might still end up having a real world performance deficit no matter how much dev support it gets.
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You're basically comparing LTE (VZW), Wi-Max (Sprint), and HSPA+ (AT&T) which has nothing to do with the phone's processor. Play HD videos on the Sensation/E3D (Qualcomm) and SGS2 (Exynos) and you'll be quite surprised at the difference in real world performance. jlevy73 brings up an interesting point in that devs seem to be getting better perfromance out of the Sensation now that it's unlocked than HTC was able to. But devs are still dependent on the drivers provided by the OEMs so the Qualcomm chip on HTC phones might still end up having a real world performance deficit no matter how much dev support it gets.
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OK...but still don't totally understand. Processors aren't a factor in how fast data is transmitted?
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OK...but still don't totally understand. Processors aren't a factor in how fast data is transmitted?
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The incoming data isn't coming in fast enough to tax the processor. Testing something locally on the phone like video, flash-based web pages, and running multiple apps are a better test of a processors performance. Software and drivers make a big difference too. The browser on the SGS2 is hardware optimized where the Sensation/E3D's are not and it shows in everyday use.
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The incoming data isn't coming in fast enough to tax the processor. Testing something locally on the phone like video, flash-based web pages, and running multiple apps are a better test of a processors performance. Software and drivers make a big difference too. The browser on the SGS2 is hardware optimized where the Sensation/E3D's are not and it shows in everyday use.
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Thanks. Good to know that.
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The incoming data isn't coming in fast enough to tax the processor. Testing something locally on the phone like video, flash-based web pages, and running multiple apps are a better test of a processors performance. Software and drivers make a big difference too. The browser on the SGS2 is hardware optimized where the Sensation/E3D's are not and it shows in everyday use.
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Suffice to say then that the US devices will suffer some in the performance debt if the Qualcomms are employed vs
Vs the Exynos??
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Thanks. Good to know that.
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lol 3G/4G is like your internet connection on PC has nothing to do with how powerful the CPU is.
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lol 3G/4G is like your internet connection on PC has nothing to do with how powerful the CPU is.
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That's true, but how fast a page renders, especially one heavy in javascript and flash does provide an insight into the cpu/gpu. I have the crapbolt, I mean Thunderbolt and LTE absolutely flies (i.e. 30mb/down). With my SGS2 on AT&T's network I get about 5mb/down. If I load up androidcentral.com (which is very heavy on graphics, flash, etc) the SGS2 renders the page 2-3X faster than my Thunderbolt. You can see the rat in the cage processor of the Thunderbolt choking to render all those graphics.
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Actually the Sensation chip sin't nearly as crappy as it was prior to getting s-off. Once developers were able to make kernel mods and other tweaks the chip performs much better than it did out of the box. I think some of the poor benchmark scores can be attributed to the qHD screen of the Sensation. However, I ran cf-bench last night with both my sgs2 and sensation clocked at 1.5ghz and the Sensation beat it each time. The gpu of the adreno 220 is surprisingly good. I would be interested to see the qualcomm chip properly implemented such that the hardware and software were coded in sync
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Unfortunately....
qhd dosent have much to do with it.
the gpu on the SD gets OC'd as the cpu is oc.
the Ex is a more robust processor + Mali is a more powerful GPU.
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Unfortunately....
qhd dosent have much to do with it.
the gpu on the SD gets OC'd as the cpu is oc.
the Ex is a more robust processor + Mali is a more powerful GPU.
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The sensations qhd screen has 35% more pixels than the samsung s ii. It has a significant impact on processor work load and benchmarks. At 1.2GHz the Exynos 4210 is much better than the Qualcomm 8060, but at 1.5Ghz the Qualcomm will outperform an Exynos at 1.2Ghz.
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The sensations qhd screen has 35% more pixels than the samsung s ii. It has a significant impact on processor work load and benchmarks. At 1.2GHz the Exynos 4210 is much better than the Qualcomm 8060, but at 1.5Ghz the Qualcomm will outperform an Exynos at 1.2Ghz.
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Sadly, it doesn't. Maybe if you removed vcore it would but I have both devices and even clocked to 1.7, the Sensation cannot match the SGS2 in any benchmark I tried except cf-bench.
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The sensations qhd screen has 35% more pixels than the samsung s ii. It has a significant impact on processor work load and benchmarks.
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But if that is the case, then there isn't much excuse for the fact almost every Tegra 2 device with qhd displays out there, 1ghz, has beaten the Qualcomm chip in the sensation on every review I have watched. The Tegra devices use qhd's and yet are clocked lower the the sensations, yet out performs it significantly. Further more, about the pixels, the sensation only displays most quadrants on the 480*800 pixels anyway, because for some reason quite applications aren't scaled propyl for example in quadrant benchmark. Also, because most bechmarks count frames on 2d/3d graphics to help sus speed, I often find my galaxy s2 always hovers around 60fps. Thats because it has been limited to that by Samsung, so the true bechmark speed of that galaxy s2 is higher than what is show on stock firmware.
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But if that is the case, then there isn't much excuse for the fact almost every Tegra 2 device with qhd displays out there, 1ghz, has beaten the Qualcomm chip in the sensation on every review I have watched. The Tegra devices use qhd's and yet are clocked lower the the sensations, yet out performs it significantly. Further more, about the pixels, the sensation only displays most quadrants on the 480*800 pixels anyway, because for some reason quite applications aren't scaled propyl for example in quadrant benchmark. Also, because most bechmarks count frames on 2d/3d graphics to help sus speed, I often find my galaxy s2 always hovers around 60fps. Thats because it has been limited to that by Samsung, so the true bechmark speed of that galaxy s2 is higher than what is show on stock firmware.
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Yes qhd makes a difference. Look at PC's as an example.
Have you seen what a SGS2 does with Tegra 2? You'll be surprised.
Sensation is not even A9 cortex based, can't compete with the rest of dual-cores.
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What can the Hummingbird graphics capabilities do that the Snapdragon can't? I have an Evo, but my 2nd line is up for renewal soon. I could get another EVO for that person, or an Epic, and switch the lines. I'm really happy w/ my evo, I have avalaunch V9 running on it and it does everything I need it to do.
So far, I don't feel like the graphics processing has limited any performance. I have been able to play a few roms without a problem, and a few android games as well.
So in what way does the Hummingbird really make a difference besides performance tests like Quadrant?
Are you a burned spy?
If you don't notice anything wrong with the Snapdragon GPU, then the Evo is probably fine for you. It depends on if you want the keyboard or not.
The Epic also has S-AMOLED which is gorgeous, so it'd be best to see them both side-by-side to make your decision.
Also, Snapdragon has much better performance application wise because it's CPU core is second to none, but the opposite is true for the Hummingbird, it does have a solid CPU core, but it isn't as good as the Snapdragon, however minus the as-yet-unreleased Tegra 2 chips, the Hummingbird has the best mobile GPU on the market.
Its a decision thats really up to you, if you want the keyboard, go Epic, if you can live without it, and the Evo GPU doesn't affect you, then it's probably a good bet due to the better camera & the bigger screen.
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do you have links to the whitepapers for the cpus or even better yet the phones? Id be very interested in just reading about the processors and their respective gpu's
thanks
Not to mention that it isn't that the evo's gpu is THAT much worse than the gpu is the samsung galaxy, its just that the galaxy's gpu is in the powervr sgx family of GPUs that are in the iphone....so of course games are going to be optimized to that gpu more than the andreno gpu that is in the snapdragon (at least initially).
The Hummingbird processor is virtually the same as the iphone 4 processor minus apple's mods. snapdragon is fast but doesn't have the graphics capabilities that humming bird has. I for one will not be getting the evo or the epic. i will wait for the first carrier to release a dual core phone. Either way you look at it you have an evo now, get a epic and if you don't like it get another evo b4 your thirty days are up.
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do you have links to the whitepapers for the cpus or even better yet the phones? Id be very interested in just reading about the processors and their respective gpu's
thanks
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Unfortunately no. I've looked and looked and looked for ANY real Qualcomm docs on the QSD (Snapdragon) chips and none have been leaked yet. If there had been I woulda been able to overclock the GPU by now
I haven't done any looking for Hummingbird docs but I really really doubt that they're out yet either.
If you find any for either one, give me a shout with a PM here, or Twitter me (@geniusdog254), or email me ([email protected])
just sent them an email requesting it for my college final project. complete BS, but perhaps it'll hook a sucker and ill get some real technical information.
What you guys think is the best smartphone to buy at the moment sensation XE or Galaxy Nexus ???
I am a desire user and was planing to sensation XE but now that the Galaxy Nexus is announced I am bit confused.. However, I really like the new nexus and now I am thinking of buying Galaxy nexus. Reason for that is the UI is now getting very similar to htc sense and new hardware features such as the HD screen, android beam etc. I will make my finally decision after reading nexus reviews.
What you guys say?? Which one you will choose ?
I´d rather wait a little longer (a few weeks or so) and see what other devices will get an ICS update.
This would make some other current devices much more appealing.
E.g. those Motorola ones.
HTC might not update their new devices with ICS as it might slow down their phones with HTC Sense on top of it...
Personally I wouldn't want either; holding my Atrix firmly in one hand, I can just about reach the top left and bottom left corners of the touchscreen with my thumb. That would mean on a device like this I'd have to use it two handed... Why are high-end phones getting so giant these days?!
But given the choice between the two, I'd take the Sensation XE. I suspect the Galaxy Nexus will suffer rather badly in 3D performance as a result of using an SGX 540 (albeit one paired with dual-channel memory) for such a high-res screen. We know for sure it's going to get walked all over by the iPhone 4S with its 960x640 screen w/SGX543MP...
Depending on when current-gen Tegra 2/OMAP 4/Exynos/Snapdragon S3 devices get ICS updates, they may prove to be a better choice for that reason alone. This time next year, 1280x720 will probably be more viable. I suspect A5 is the only SoC with the grunt right now. Still, I could be proven wrong.
Edit: This is in the Desire forum? I'm confused...
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HTC might not update their new devices with ICS as it might slow down their phones with HTC Sense on top of it...
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Sense with HW accel = WIN!
im just going by what theyve said
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/19/htc-were-reviewing-ice-cream-sandwich-and-determining-our-plan/
actually I dont like Samsung phones... and both galaxy nexus and Sensation XE/XL are just TOO BIG >.>
Id take a HTC Bliss or wait some more
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Personally I wouldn't want either; holding my Atrix firmly in one hand, I can just about reach the top left and bottom left corners of the touchscreen with my thumb. That would mean on a device like this I'd have to use it two handed... Why are high-end phones getting so giant these days?!
But given the choice between the two, I'd take the Sensation XE. I suspect the Galaxy Nexus will suffer rather badly in 3D performance as a result of using an SGX 540 (albeit one paired with dual-channel memory) for such a high-res screen. We know for sure it's going to get walked all over by the iPhone 4S with its 960x640 screen w/SGX543MP...
Depending on when current-gen Tegra 2/OMAP 4/Exynos/Snapdragon S3 devices get ICS updates, they may prove to be a better choice for that reason alone. This time next year, 1280x720 will probably be more viable. I suspect A5 is the only SoC with the grunt right now. Still, I could be proven wrong.
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Sorry being a noob, but what makes the A5 better than the processor in the galaxy nexus? I thought the nexus was 1.5Ghz dual-core, surely that's faster?
I am in the excatly same position, Im due for an upgrade. It took a long time to decide I wanted the Sensation XE because it looks so good with the red highlights and the Sense UI is a big favourite after having the Desire for 2 years now.
Now the Nexus has been announched I dont know whether to wait and get that. The Nexus vanilla ICS is really tempting cause it looks so good and is such a simplistic OS, and I think once HTC sense gets layed over the top it wont look anythink like that. The things that put me off the Nexus is that I think the it's too big. 4.65 inch is massive. The sensation 4.3 inch is bordering on too big.
It's a hard decision when you may own it on a contract for another 2 years, that Nexus is so future proofed you could own it for 4 years and not brake sweat about being out of date.
Sorry if this is dumbed down but I'm not excatly an expert on the specifics but any advice would be a bonus?
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The Nexus vanilla ICS is really tempting cause it looks so good and is such a simplistic OS, and I think once HTC sense gets layed over the top it wont look anythink like that.
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Sorry being a noob, but what makes the A5 better than the processor in the galaxy nexus? I thought the nexus was 1.5Ghz dual-core, surely that's faster?
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It depends on how optimised the processor is to work with the phone. A5 is made specifically for iOS devices only so it will work way better than the OMAP processor used in the Galaxy Nexus as the processor has to adapt to a lot of different device who uses it. Also, Galaxy Nexus has a 1.2 Ghz Dual Core OMAP processor, not 1.5 Ghz.
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isnt the sensation XL the 16GB internal no microSD slot version?
if so i'd pass on that instantly.
The HTC Rezound (a.k.a Vigor) would be the one when or if it comes out and had the specs it's saying it might have.
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The HTC Rezound (a.k.a Vigor) would be the one when or if it comes out and had the specs it's saying it might have.
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true - isnt that like the senesation xe + more ram? (1gb rather than 3/4GB)
For me either smaller device ~4 inches or Galaxy Nexus - basically HTC for me have two big assets - Sense and shells (casing). Sense is much more polished from GB but the gap narrows with ICS, especially with some extra apps. While SGS/Nexus S has completely ridiculous material on the back, SGSII and nexus Galaxy seems to find some improvements in this matter.
BTW: Thank God (and admins) for ignore feature in this forum...
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true - isnt that like the senesation xe + more ram? (1gb rather than 3/4GB)
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Shud have the 4.3 inch 720p display (like the nexus) and the 1gb ram. Only it they put in 16/32GB memory with expandable microSD it would be the one. Also, as YorickRise states a nice solid case rather than those plastic ones Samsung insists on making so their phones are lighter.
Just got to wait....
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It depends on how optimised the processor is to work with the phone. A5 is made specifically for iOS devices only so it will work way better than the OMAP processor used in the Galaxy Nexus as the processor has to adapt to a lot of different device who uses it. Also, Galaxy Nexus has a 1.2 Ghz Dual Core OMAP processor, not 1.5 Ghz.
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An Cortex A9 dual core is a Cortex A9 dual core. In terms of CPU performance there shouldn't be a great deal of difference between any of them unless the app is using NEON which isn't supported on the Tegra 2. And the dual core Qualcomms perform a bit different because Snapdragon is A8 compatible, but not actually based on the A8 or A9 cores, its Qualcomms own design. However, the GPU is different in all these chips, and that's a where the difference comes in. OMAP 4 as seen in the Galaxy Nexus and newer Moto devices uses the old sgx540 which you nay know from the original Galaxy S inside Samsungs hummingbird single cores. It was the best mobile GPU in its day and has been clocked much faster and paired with dual channel memory in the OMAP 4 giving it similar performance to Mali 400MP in the Exynos, Adreno 220 in the Qualcomms and slightly ahead of GeForce ULP in the Tegra 2. Not enough, IMHO for such a high-res screen such as that in the Galaxy Nexus. The shiny new sgx543mp in the Apple A5 blows all of the competition out of the water at the moment though! However we will see other SoCs in early 2012 that are competitive from a GPU standpoint.
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Shud have the 4.3 inch 720p display (like the nexus) and the 1gb ram. Only it they put in 16/32GB memory with expandable microSD it would be the one. Also, as YorickRise states a nice solid case rather than those plastic ones Samsung insists on making so their phones are lighter.
Just got to wait....
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Those flimsy plastic cases, while not feeling so great in the hand and looking pretty tacky for a highend device are actually a lot more impact resistant than the metallic bodied phones. Look for Galaxy SII drop tests on YouTube if you don't believe me. It mirrors the experiences I've had with laptops (I.e. Apples pro line with the metal cases have lasted a lot less well that the plastic-bodied non-pro models.)
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It depends on how optimised the processor is to work with the phone. A5 is made specifically for iOS devices only so it will work way better than the OMAP processor used in the Galaxy Nexus as the processor has to adapt to a lot of different device who uses it. Also, Galaxy Nexus has a 1.2 Ghz Dual Core OMAP processor, not 1.5 Ghz.
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Actually that's a no. A dualcore 1.2 ghz processor contains exactly 2 cores capable of exactly 1.2 billion cycles per second. No more and no less, and compared to the apple a5 in the 4s clocked at 800 mhz that is a 50% increase.
The a5 gpu however is indeed a tad better
edit: and i have to completely disagree that apple in any way can utilize the raw processing power any better than other companies.. That is just plain wrong. They can and have however build the system to utilize the gpu for transition effects and simple animations just as google does in hc and onwards.
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Actually that's a no. A dualcore 1.2 ghz processor contains exactly 2 cores capable of exactly 1.2 billion cycles per second. No more and no less, and compared to the apple a5 in the 4s clocked at 800 mhz that is a 50% increase.
The a5 gpu however is indeed a tad better
edit: and i have to completely disagree that apple in any way can utilize the raw processing power any better than other companies.. That is just plain wrong. They can and have however build the system to utilize the gpu for transition effects and simple animations just as google does in hc and onwards.
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iOS 5 is clearly better optimised than Android 2.3 in most benchmarks.... Especially in browser-related tests like JavaScript benches. However, we'll see how 4.0 handles as 3.0 on tablets is a lot closer to iOS benchmarked on similar hardware. And not all CPUs perform the same at the same clockspeed. Do you really think a dual core Atom (simple, in order core, limited cache and bandwidth and less execution units) performs the same as an i3 (complex, out-of-order core with loads of cache, loads of bandwidth and lots of execution units) at the same clock, for example? In fact, the reason I choce this particular comparison is it's an extreme with CPUs sharing the x86 instruction set; the i3 would be more than twice as fast in most cases.
CPU performance depends on a lot of things; for example the number of execution units inside capable of a given operation, pipeline length, cache optimisations, memory bandwidth, bus speeds, the efficiency of the instruction resceduler (for out of order CPUs) and a number of other factors. Even CPUs with the same cores (like ARM's A9 for example) can perform differently - some (like Ti's OMAP) have dual channel memory whereas Tegra 2, for example is constrained to a single channel, although this is much more likely to affect GPUs (which are also integrated and share memory bandwidth with the CPU) than CPUs with current cores. The CPU cores in Snapdragon S3, particularly, perform quite differently (a little worse in most cases) than other current-gen dual-core ARM chips due to their use of Qualcomm's Scorpion CPU core (which is an arm v7l chip compatible with, but not identical to an A8 - a single Scorpion is faster than a single A8 due to partial out-of-order support but the more complete out-of-order support and shorter instruction pipeline means A9 will perform better per core at the same clock than Snapdragons.)
And that's before we even mention instruction set extensions like NEON and SSE - when running code which is optimised for and can take advantage of these (which tend to be media-related apps like video encoding) you could end up with orders of magnitude difference in performance. The implementation of Sandy Bridges AVX extensions allow them to double performance at the same clock in linpack benchmarks versus the previous generation 'Nehalem' based chips for example.
Oh, and SGX543MP2 isn't just a tad faster than anything we have in Android hardware at the moment, it's A LOT faster, especially given that A5 uses dual channel memory and everything we have bar the TI OMAP 4 with its aging (though fast-clocked) SGX540 is single channel. Also bear in mind that the iPhone 4/s GPU is dealing with a 960x640=614,400 pixel display whereas many high-end Android devices (GSII for example) are still only packing 800x480 displays with 384,000 pixels and the GPU has to do a lot more work to render 60% more pixels! - be careful when comparing benchmarks!
Well just got upgraded to the SGS II.
Curious if there is anything i should know about the device. I know its beautiful.. and i herd about screen issues but i was holding one and could see anything wrong with the screen...
So Pros, Cons, Quirks, anything you wish you knew off hand?
Depends on what you plan on doing with it ... If you bought for the snazzy voice talk options beware that some roms don't include it and doubletap of the home button to activate it is removed and many roms don't even have voice talk in them .... I got kinda frustrated with that at first ... And just installing the apk wouldnt get it working..... (
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freakyliciousfishy said:
Depends on what you plan on doing with it ... If you bought for the snazzy voice talk options beware that some roms don't include it and doubletap of the home button to activate it is removed and many roms don't even have voice talk in them .... I got kinda frustrated with that at first ... And just installing the apk wouldnt get it working..... (
with my bluetooth headset ) () to claify that the call button wouldnt activate / open voice talk
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not entirely true about voice talk actions. the Samsung one may have been taking out since it sucks anyways. stock android voice commands work better IMO.
I recently switched from the sensation to the Galaxy S2 and im 1000% glad i did, samsung did a amazing job on this device. And TouchWiz is pretty cool and not laggy and slow as sense.
Only con i can even think of is the screen issue with some lines and blotches. My screen personally has the blotches but its really not noticible unless you looking for it in a dark room and with dark lighting but even then its not bothersome at all.
Thanks for the replies. I am excited about this phone. Sucks that it is on back order and will be another week or more till it even ships .
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Only con i can even think of is the screen issue with some lines and blotches. My screen personally has the blotches but its really not noticible unless you looking for it in a dark room and with dark lighting but even then its not bothersome at all.
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also the actual processor and gpu sucks compared to Exynos used in the real SGS2 variants. I cant even consider TMo's SGS2 a real SGS2. just a little beefier Samsung Hercules.
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also the actual processor and gpu sucks. I cant even consider TMo's SGS2 a real SGS2. just a little beefier Samsung Hercules.
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theres nothing wrong with the processor ,my phone rocks and performs the same if not better than any other stock version of SGS2
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theres nothing wrong with the processor ,my phone rocks and performs the same if not better than any other stock version of SGS2
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nothing wrong? its old hardware. i would rather have the better performing Exynos processor than the watered down Snapdragon TMo SGS2. i dont see why Tmobile will sacrifice the main component that made the SGS2 an SGS2 just to claim that the phone supports up to HSPA+ 42mbps....which we will never see those speeds before the SGS3
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also the actual processor and gpu sucks compared to Exynos used in the real SGS2 variants. I cant even consider TMo's SGS2 a real SGS2. just a little beefier Samsung Hercules.
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The processor doesn't suck. It has better browser performance according to anandtech. The problem is that samsung has hardware acceleration for the stock rom on their other variants and not this one. The miui phone apparently blows most phones out of the water with its processor which is the same as this phone. Tons of optimization. All the same games run on both processors without hiccups. Also 42mbs is not the speed it can theoretically go up to that speed.
Realistic speeds are more along the lines 20 down and whatever uplpoad. I seen some people even get 26 down which is basically advertised lte speeds from Verizon. Also when you put both phones on gingerbread lets say cyanogen mod since its optimized you won't see a difference. You only see it on a stock touchwiz rom i doubt you'll see a difference when your on ice cream sandwich as well.
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nothing wrong? its old hardware. i would rather have the better performing Exynos processor than the watered down Snapdragon TMo SGS2. i dont see why Tmobile will sacrifice the main component that made the SGS2 an SGS2 just to claim that the phone supports up to HSPA+ 42mbps....which we will never see those speeds before the SGS3
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well no one on any network will see those speeds for a while, att uses the same processor for their LTE network, i dont have a problem with speeds where i live , i get 15 meg on a regular basis and spikes up to 20 sometimes. And as far as performance it seems to hold up fine against the other phones. The phone is fine
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well no one on any network will see those speeds for a while, att uses the same processor for their LTE network, i dont have a problem with speeds where i live , i get 15 meg on a regular basis and spikes up to 20 sometimes. And as far as performance it seems to hold up fine against the other phones. The phone is fine
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I don't see what people always say inferior processor. I don't see what my processor can't do that the other processors can. Quadrant scores ,benchmarks, don't matter in real life performance. The exynos processor doesn't give any magical ability to fly or anything.
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I don't see what people always say inferior processor. I don't see what my processor can't do that the other processors can. Quadrant scores ,benchmarks, don't matter in real life performance. The exynos processor doesn't give any magical ability to fly or anything.
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i dont get it either, and as far as benchmarks even though they really dont matter my scores on the phone stock not rooted out of the box were 200 points better than any review on any website had the other variants at with the exynos.Gotta watch which article you read because it hard to find them that are un-biased .Naturally if they are reviewing a phone for a carrier its gonna be biased towards it. Only way of really reviewing a phone is hands on so you can do it yourself. Some people just care wayyy too much about stuff that dont matter.....i love this phone
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well no one on any network will see those speeds for a while, att uses the same processor for their LTE network, i dont have a problem with speeds where i live , i get 15 meg on a regular basis and spikes up to 20 sometimes. And as far as performance it seems to hold up fine against the other phones. The phone is fine
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that wasnt my point. it was just a waste for tmobile to choose the dual-core snapdragon processor just so they can claim their phone supports up to 42mbps. exynos only supports up to 21mbps which is just fine for real world experience.
yes the processor used in the TMo SGS2 is just fine,but thats just it....its just fine.
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I don't see what people always say inferior processor. I don't see what my processor can't do that the other processors can. Quadrant scores ,benchmarks, don't matter in real life performance. The exynos processor doesn't give any magical ability to fly or anything.
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the biggest difference between exynos and our dual-core snapdragon is GPU performance. i'm not even going to try to explain the differences myself as its already been said main times. so i will just quote from this article:
In return for this boost in possible data rates, some things are lost with the change over to Snapdragon. Perhaps the most important difference between the Exynos and Snapdragon is the graphics performance. As is the case with all SoCs, these chips have dedicated GPUs. The Qualcomm chip in the T-Mobile Galaxy S runs an Adreno 220, which is a fine component. Exynos, on the other hand, far surpasses it in graphical prowess.
The Exynos is the first mainstream SoC to license and use the ARM Mali-400 GPU. This is a quad-core graphics processor that bests all the other chips in GPU performance. So by going with a Snapdragon, even one clocked up to 1.5GHz, T-Mobile is sacrificing a significant amount of performance.
Straight processing power is also greater on the Exynos chip, but the gap is smaller than for the GPU. Qualcomm still uses its Scorpion core — a core developed to match the Cortex-A8, but Exynos is Cortex-A9. Snapdragon isn’t completely left in the dust because it’s still a solid custom architecture, but a 1.2GHz Exynos will still crunch more bits than a 1.5GHz Snapdragon.
The Snapdragon will offer users one additional benefit in the form of better battery life. The Qualcomm-designed Scorpion to be capable of asynchronous operation, making it possible for an unneeded core to be clocked down independently. This is much better for standby time and low-impact tasks.
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http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/96267-how-samsungs-chip-change-up-affects-the-t-mobile-galaxy-s2
idk about you guys, but i rather have the best of the best. i definitely dont want to miss out on the new-gen high-end games when they do come out.
brian_v3ntura said:
that wasnt my point. it was just a waste for tmobile to choose the dual-core snapdragon processor just so they can claim their phone supports up to 42mbps. exynos only supports up to 21mbps which is just fine for real world experience.
yes the processor used in the TMo SGS2 is just fine,but thats just it....its just fine.
the biggest difference between exynos and our dual-core snapdragon is GPU performance. i'm not even going to try to explain the differences myself as its already been said main times. so i will just quote from this article:
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well my sensation supported up to 14 meg and in the same exact areas never saw over 5. also tell me what you can do with a Xyenos processor that you cant do with the one we got
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that wasnt my point. it was just a waste for tmobile to choose the dual-core snapdragon processor just so they can claim their phone supports up to 42mbps. exynos only supports up to 21mbps which is just fine for real world experience.
yes the processor used in the TMo SGS2 is just fine,but thats just it....its just fine.
the biggest difference between exynos and our dual-core snapdragon is GPU performance. i'm not even going to try to explain the differences myself as its already been said main times. so i will just quote from this article:
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Um your point valid we know its an inferior. But still it does what i needs to do you won't actually see the performance difference on the same optimized rom like cyanogenmod or miui. You won't even notice fps difference since their both locked at 60fps. So its fine. The point is its superior as seen on paper and benchmark test but they both work perfectly fine. The exynos doesn't give you wings.
There are no games the both processors can't play smoothly. Tell the truth most apps and everything start up at the same time and speed. So having all that processing power which will be null and void in like a year or two will really matter. A lot of apps and games say not compatible with the samsung galaxy s2 yet. Because of the processor and gpu combo. This is for the original version of the galaxy s2.
If the exynos made me play a game that can only run on that processor then yeah. But it doesn't. It doesn't make anything load faster either.
by the time a game comes out that fully puts a either of those processors to use we will be using another phone with different processors and who cares about games on a phone, just get a ps3,360 or pc for that
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idk about you guys, but i rather have the best of the best. i definitely dont want to miss out on the new-gen high-end games when they do come out.
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You have a warped sense of reason if you think that the difference in performance between the Exynos and the SD3 constitutes your statement: "the actual processor sucks".
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well my sensation supported up to 14 meg and in the same exact areas never saw over 5. also tell me what you can do with a Xyenos processor that you cant do with the one we got
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i alrdy told you, CLIFF NOTES: better gaming and better processing crunch.
you're talking about the sensation. not remotely close to anything equipped with exynos. its easy to claim something without providing concrete proof. you can say your sensation never got past 5mbps in the same areas, but that can depend on a number of things.
1)reception efficiency of the radio
2)tower upgrade timeline in specific areas
3)blowing smoke.
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Um your point valid we know its an inferior. But still it does what i needs to do you won't actually see the performance difference on the same optimized rom like cyanogenmod or miui. You won't even notice fps difference since their both locked at 60fps. So its fine. The point is its superior as seen on paper and benchmark test but they both work perfectly fine. The exynos doesn't give you wings.
There are no games the both processors can't play smoothly. Tell the truth most apps and everything start up at the same time and speed. So having all that processing power which will be null and void in like a year or two will really matter. A lot of apps and games say not compatible with the samsung galaxy s2 yet. Because of the processor and gpu combo. This is for the original version of the galaxy s2.
If the exynos made me play a game that can only run on that processor then yeah. But it doesn't. It doesn't make anything load faster either.
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there are no games that both processors cant play smoothly? i guess you played EVERY GAME then right? Here's an example of a game; dungeon defenders.
i'm just waiting for the new-gen of games to come out to really see the limits of this qualcomm dual-core snapdragon. the new-gen games are closer to release dates than you think.
PLUS any mobile processor is pretty much null and void within a year or two. But at least the Exynos has a better chance of holding its ground.
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by the time a game comes out that fully puts a either of those processors to use we will be using another phone with different processors and who cares about games on a phone, just get a ps3,360 or pc for that
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not entirely true. not willing to summarize what i said above. i forgot to add that "Bladeslinger" may be THE game that will show the performance difference between the two.
i care about mobile gaming. its a nice thing to to have when you're away. its fun. plus the only thing i play on console is COD.
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You have a warped sense of reason if you think that the difference in performance between the Exynos and the SD3 constitutes your statement: "the actual processor sucks".
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sucks in the sense of old hardware.
All in all. It's your opinion and your view of what fits your needs right? It's not being constructive to give criticism when it only is one sided. I can tell you value the best and fastest in technology. there are ways to express it than to bring everyone down. I could care less about gpu or the type of processor because I have an actual laptop for that. I am happy with the speed and response of this phone. So to downplay things you think are wrong with this phone with cliffnotes and technical theories then you really aren't being constructive.
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i alrdy told you, CLIFF NOTES: better gaming and better processing crunch.
you're talking about the sensation. not remotely close to anything equipped with exynos. its easy to claim something without providing concrete proof. you can say your sensation never got past 5mbps in the same areas, but that can depend on a number of things.
1)reception efficiency of the radio
2)tower upgrade timeline in specific areas
3)blowing smoke.
there are no games that both processors cant play smoothly? i guess you played EVERY GAME then right? Here's an example of a game; dungeon defenders.
i'm just waiting for the new-gen of games to come out to really see the limits of this qualcomm dual-core snapdragon. the new-gen games are closer to release dates than you think.
PLUS any mobile processor is pretty much null and void within a year or two. But at least the Exynos has a better chance of holding its ground.
not entirely true. not willing to summarize what i said above. i forgot to add that "Bladeslinger" may be THE game that will show the performance difference between the two.
i care about mobile gaming. its a nice thing to to have when you're away. its fun. plus the only thing i play on console is COD.
sucks in the sense of old hardware.
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i alrdy told you, CLIFF NOTES: better gaming and better processing crunch.
you're talking about the sensation. not remotely close to anything equipped with exynos. its easy to claim something without providing concrete proof. you can say your sensation never got past 5mbps in the same areas, but that can depend on a number of things.
1)reception efficiency of the radio
2)tower upgrade timeline in specific areas
3)blowing smoke.
there are no games that both processors cant play smoothly? i guess you played EVERY GAME then right? Here's an example of a game; dungeon defenders.
i'm just waiting for the new-gen of games to come out to really see the limits of this qualcomm dual-core snapdragon. the new-gen games are closer to release dates than you think.
PLUS any mobile processor is pretty much null and void within a year or two. But at least the Exynos has a better chance of holding its ground.
not entirely true. not willing to summarize what i said above. i forgot to add that "Bladeslinger" may be THE game that will show the performance difference between the two.
i care about mobile gaming. its a nice thing to to have when you're away. its fun. plus the only thing i play on console is COD.
sucks in the sense of old hardware.
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I played dungeon defenders I'm rooted it doesn't slow down or anything. I don't see your point. BladeSlinger is for all android devices.... Not to mention ShadowGun looks exactly like it in quality and i can play that on my device as well smoothly. Bladeslinger also pauses in the middle of gameplay to do a special move. Shadowgun enemies are always shooting at you.
Chainfire prove before that all you need is simple plugins to run the tega2 only games or qualcomm only games on any device. What makes you think it will be so different in the future. No one will be using the same exynos next year majority of ppl will sell of the galaxy s2 or the galaxy s3. It will be the same with the Qualcomm processor for the new krait or the new tegra3 processor. I can play dungeon defenders on mytouch 4g with its single core processor on miui. So what?
How believable do this this article is?
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/samsung-galaxy-s3-complete-guide-50006020/
Need to get close to the facts on the new Samsung Galaxy S3? Here's what we think we know:
4.6-inch Super AMOLED Plus screen at 1,280x720-pixel resolution
1.8GHz chip with 2GB RAM for zippy multitasking and games
Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich with a refreshed TouchWiz skin
Camera-quality 12-megapixel photos
Styled like the Galaxy Nexus
And here's what we're hoping for:
A flexible OLED screen on a jaw-dropping curved chassis
TouchWiz mini apps that put social networking front and centre
Ultra-high ISO photography so we don't even need to use the sickly built-in LED flash
About as real currently as Father Christmas tho isn't it?
Reads more like a geeks favourite spec. than a real phone...
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Reads more like a geeks favourite spec. than a real phone...
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barring the processor, the rest doesn't seem to unreasonable!
I found one minor aspect that could explain, why this thread was opened in the "Galaxy Nexus General" forum:
Styled like the Galaxy Nexus
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Seriously, what's that got to do with the Galaxy Nexus?
Well they would be really stupid to go for a 1.8 dual core instead of a Quad core, they are already building the A6 so it's not hard to imagine an Exynos quad core to come out of them. Also i really hope it has the specs listed i think i might pick up the SII instead of the nexus...
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I found one minor aspect that could explain, why this thread was opened in the "Galaxy Nexus General" forum:
Seriously, what's that got to do with the Galaxy Nexus?
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1. there is no sgs3 thread ;-)
2. more than likely that some of the nexus owners will upgrade and may find this useful
The only perk about the SGSIII is the quad core. If they gimp out with a dualcore, then I'd rather just have the Nexus.
The only quadcore chip that is out is the Tegra3 and it JUST was announced. It was a year before we started seeing tegra2s in the wild.
Asus Transformer Prime is shipping first of the year with a Tegra3 but who knows how long it will be before phones pick it up.
I could care less about the super amoled plus vs HD. At those high resolutions, the difference doesn't matter anymore.
And the camera is a camera. 90% of my photos are thrown on Facebook. As long as they look good then I'm good. Higher MP cameras produce such a large image that you have to compress and resize them for online uploads. I'm fine with 5-8mp on my phone. My G2x has a sweet 8mp camera... but I'd trade it in for a 5mp with instant shutter. Instant shots > higher Res shots IMO.
G2x - 2.3.7 CM7
Transformer - 3.2 Revolver OC/UV
Rumors with the dual core was that it would pack a ridiculously faster GPU for I'm guessing more hardware acceleration etc...
12mp camera would be nuts but Galaxy phones always try to have the best specs at the time and future proof a little. SGX 540 on the original Galaxy S was worlds ahead of everyone else when it came out.
Quad-core should be coming soon on phones......I say a few months. Plus, every things moving so much faster now, only a year 1/2 ago 1ghz single core was ridiculous =/
But, quad-core is really overkill on a phone, improved dual-core with a vastly faster GPU makes more sense
And samsung is offering financing on that phone right?
Sent from my samsung gt i9250 which is in the wrong country.
It's not about being overkill, it's the fact that barely anything is optimized for Dual-Core, and absolutely nothing for Quad-Core. Also, there is storage device that is always gonna be a bottleneck so what's the point of buying a quad-core phone before the software gets optimized?
Do you plan on running research laboratory 24/7 out of your phone's CPU or wtf?
Eldar Murtazin has said months ago that specs similar to these are indeed true.
Even with that in mind, I'm still planning to buy the Nexus. The SGS3 likely won't be announced until February and then won't be shipped until April. Even then it will be at an astronomical price, probably around the £700 mark I'd imagine.
Are you prepared to wait five months for the phone? I'm not. Even if these rumoured specs turn out to be 100% true, I'd rather just buy the Nexus now and then sell it in five months.
TL;DR: The rumoured SGS3 shouldn't affect your Galaxy Nexus purchasing decision.
I think we can say with a fair degree of confidence the GSIII will have an exynos 4412, which is a quad core A9 soc. Also pretty certain it will contain a Mali T604 MP4 GPU.
The T604 can output 68 gflops and 2 gigapixels/sec texel fill rate in its MP4 configuration. By comparison the sgx 543MP2 in the 4S manages something south of 12.8 gflops and 800 megapixels/sec texel fill rate. So yeah, the T604 is pretty beastly.
I think screen wise we will see the same 4.65 samoled HD that we see in the Nexus. It's likely too soon for the plus version.
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Quad-core should be coming soon on phones......I say a few months. Plus, every things moving so much faster now, only a year 1/2 ago 1ghz single core was ridiculous =/
But, quad-core is really overkill on a phone, improved dual-core with a vastly faster GPU makes more sense
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The LG Optimus 2x was a dual-core phone and was out around this time last year. Other Dual-Core phones didn't arrive until much later. And I agree with your quad-core overkill statement. It is. But I wouldn't upgrade my Nexus One for another single core when dualcore was ALREADY out. In this case QuadCore is NOT out and probably won't be for a while. We'll probably start seeing a few Quadcore's in March/May... followed by a few more in the Summer... but probably not coming state-side with subsidy till Winter/Q1 2013.
Well, plus version isn't really even needed. As reviews stated.....at such a high resolution, the problems pentile usually had are irrelevant.
Would love to see that mali and quad-core in the SGS III........feel like wouldn't even need to upgrade for years and years, but of course that won't happen. Will always want the next best thing
I don't mind pentile. At a given subpixel density, pentile will always be better than non-pentile imo. You get a higher resolution display with minimal side effects.
It's a very clever technology actually. I liken it to PowerVRs graphics technology where they only render the surfaces which can actually be seen by the viewer, thus saving on bandwidth and fillrate. It's about making the most from whatever resources you may have.
Why do people think those specs are far fetched? The SII will be coming up on it's year anniversary from being unveiled.
They got about three months to prototype the SIII, it sounds a little underwhelming if you ask me.
Last Samsung rep I spoke to said only details he had was that it would be 1.5 quad core or 1.8 duel core with 1gb ram
Either way, the GS III will be a beast of a phone just like the GS II still is. It should be launching around the same time as the iPhone 5 from rumors and go head to head.
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It's not about being overkill, it's the fact that barely anything is optimized for Dual-Core, and absolutely nothing for Quad-Core. Also, there is storage device that is always gonna be a bottleneck so what's the point of buying a quad-core phone before the software gets optimized?
Do you plan on running research laboratory 24/7 out of your phone's CPU or wtf?
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But see the thing is, just like in the Windows desktop OS, even if the program itself isn't capable of utilizing all of the cores, the OS at least balances the apps out on the least busy core.
Granted, apps like high end games will run much better on Android if they are SMP aware.
Another thing is that I remember when dual core phones were announced, a lot of doubters were saying battery life will be terrible. Well that turned out to be the furthest thing from the truth.
So if quad core does for battery life what the dual core did then we are in for some rockin battery life and smooth UI like never seen.
Joe
Some food for thought,,
Is Qualcomm cheating in Vellamo?
A few days ago we were happy to report about the first set of leaked HTC One X scores on an American device powered by Qualcomm’s new 28nm S4 chip.
The scores look quite good for Qualcomm, but since we got hold of an Asus Transformer Prime we decided to dig a bid deeper. Both Nvidia and Qualcomm do not want to get involved in official fight but we were quite surprised with what we learned. We also talked to some engineers that want to remain unnamed and we came up with a few interesting things.
The fastest CPU in Quadrant is Hummingbird S5PC110 from Nexus S as tested here.
Since we have tested this phone you can easily tell that this benchmark doesn't really use two or four cores properly. In this test S4 scores 4920 where the Tegra 3 based Transformer Prime scores 3954 and Tegra 2 scores 2154 on a custom ROM Optimus 2X.
The second test is the Vellamo benchmark was a bit more disturbing as once you run it you see Qualcomm ads all over it. This didn't give us much confidence and it turns out that Qualcomm has a lot of power over this particular benchmark.
Asus Transformer Prime scores 1408, while Qualcomm in Vellamo scores over 2000, our guess is between 2200 and 2300 as we didn't see the full number. Our good buddy Anand compared the One S powered by the S4 as well as the One X powered by Tegra 3 and you can see that Tegra 3 on this phone usually ends up faster or tied with the S4. It is faster in Sunspider Javascript benchmark 0.9.1, loses by a few points in Browsermark to S4 based HTC One S and dominates GLBenchmark. There is no 2X performance lead that we saw in the leaked S4 benches and frankly we see no point in taking Vellamo seriously until the issue is addressed.
Our engineering friends are telling us that Velamo disables some hardware acceleration in compositing Deap Sea Canvas and See the sun canvas subtest. Honeycomb and ICS support hardware acceleration by default and disabling this probably hurt the general score. One can argue that it hurts S4 scores as well, but it definitely hurts Tegra 3 more. The benchmark isn't flushing commands in the Pixel Blender subtest and there is a suspicion that this might help Qualcomm S4 to gain a better score.
The most important issue is the fact that it is unclear how Vellamo scores sub test scores. In Third party benchmarks such as Sun Spider and Google V8 it turns out that Vellamo penalizes high Google V8 scores and if your score gets too high in V8, the general score gets lower. There are a lot of benchmarks out there and some of the ones that like more cores include Antutu, CF benchmark and Moonbat.
French enthusiasts managed to run Antutu here, and Tegra 3 phone scores 10597, while the S4 based HTC One S scores 6458. This doesn't look so good for the phone that is based on S4 cores that should go after ARM’s upcoming A15 and it looks like that it cannot really beat the A9-based Tegra 3. In the real world, as long as the application is aware of four cores, there is a good chance that Tegra 3 will end up faster than the S4.
Naturally if you are reading this from the US and you really like your LTE from AT&T or Verison, I guess that you won’t have much choice and you will get the HTC One X with Qualcomm S4 as this chip also supports LTE. In the US it’s all about LTE and in Europe despite the fact that countries like Austria have LTE for more than a year now, even at €50 for 40GB there is almost no interest whatsoever. Networks need to put more advertising money and make 4G cool and it might happen. Of course, the lack of 4G devices is also an issue, but technology has a way of catching up.
The story gets even better when you know that there are lot of former ATI employees who take care of Adreno graphics and if natural selection and theory of evolution have taught us anything, it is that Nvidia and ATI are sworn enemies in any universe. Some readers might see a pinch of poetic justice in all of this, as Nvidia was accused of tweaking its GPU drivers to score more in PC benchmarks years ago.
Tudor Brown, the president of ARM that we meet a few years back at GlobalFoundries Dresden fab, once said that ARM does not want to get involved in GHz fight and this is now exactly what is going on, as punters are using benchmarks to prove of A is faster than B. Frankly I would be more concerned about battery life that I can get from a brand new phone as we got from five day battery life on feature phones to a day or so of battery life, and with LTE and heavy use, even this can go down to a few hours at best. If I found myself in Qualcomm’s shoes, this is what I would emphasize, the new 28nm process and energy efficiency, not skewed benchmarks.
Phones should be about the overall user experience, but how can you benchmark experience? It's a very subjective category and can hardly be expressed with cold numbers and statistics. We are not talking about PC components and the race for more performance, smartphones should be viewed as a complete package, battery life, build quality, UI and design come into play. Sheer performance is just one aspect and for many users it is still not the deciding factor and we believe it should not be.
In any case, watching the phone market will definitely be fun in the months to come.
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arthasz said:
Some food for thought,,
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haha fun stuff ill quote some of it in my thread if you don't mind thanks
to be honest this is exactly what i felt the moment i thought the score, its ridiculous
glad we got confirmation from some devs too
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speaking of which, their Adreno3x series is far from ready
Qualcomm has Imagination
Apparently they might go with PowerVR for the windows s4 devices, i find this hard to believe
Semi accurate is part of this fud game
Now things make sense. That's why people don't blindly trust these benchmark score. Try real work applications you'll better idea of the device like running 12 HD video in T3 etc.
I've always trusted Antutu
& apparently, the tegra 3 version is a beast, scoring over 10,000!
My SGS2 scores just 4,700 on gingerbread & around 5,700 on ICS.
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My overclocked (1,4 GHz) Desire Z (ICS with Sense 4.0A) got around 1 200 points in Vellamo, in graph it was just above Transformer Prime. Qualcomm must cheating.
Edit: added screenshots (due to my bad memory - it was just above while at 1,4 GHz ), at 1,6 GHz it is will be better than Prime (according to benchmark)
Reremnu said:
My overclocked (1,4 GHz) Desire Z (ICS with Sense 4.0A) got around 1 200 points in Vellamo, in graph it was just above Transformer Prime. Qualcomm must cheating.
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hahaha now that is crazy, disappointed that qualcomm took this direction they always been more transparent
actually its wrong that they make a test themselves it can never be considered impartial
snapdragon 4 cores are impressive as they are they don't need this kind of fud just because they don't have a quad ready
If this is really true, how about other benchmarks with other devices? can they be trusted?