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UPDATE On HTC DESIRE OFFICE FROYO UPDATE DELAY

Called HTC today. Gentleman said that google has not released 2.2 to HTC yet for development so it definitely won't be released on 23rd (today). He said when they have it, there will be a schedule released on the front page of htc.com/www/

already got it. apparently
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why say "delay"?
HTC didn't officially say that it will be released today, 23 June.
Just my 2 cents.

Oh Goodness T_T
this is real sad.
Bet so many desire owners feels the pain =(

what to say, htc support!
:jack

Simc13 said:
what to say, htc support!
:jack
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.... How is it sad?, Google haven't released the source.....look at what roman guy said
http://www.google.com/support/forum...488da0ef21660d1300048994d2e4bf4c&hl=en&hltp=1
Everyone can start complaining once the source is released, but until then, god quit blaming HTC. and yes I know HTC probably already has the source, and has probably already updated Senseui for it, but until Google finalizes it, HTC won't release an update.

JohnQ said:
already got it. apparently
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who's got what??

I don't want to use words like other people about lack of google's informations about any release date, unprofessionnal support, htc support etc... I'm sure they would better hire some of you guys to help them! You are the one which are giving us what we need, not google nor htc. I'm sorry, but feeling like moving to another OS, being iOS or WM7... too disappointed, sorry.

The only people you should be disappointed in are the rumourmongerers who got you thinking that some official source had promised to get you FroYo on 23 June.

jstegeman said:
The only people you should be disappointed in are the rumourmongerers who got you thinking that some official source had promised to get you FroYo on 23 June.
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You're right jstegeman... Even by myself trusting and hoping these. But I had hope in Google as well and not having any fix release date look to me unprofessionnal... the term "shortly" used by them can mean days, weeks, months... Is it so difficult to say the release date will be the xx of xx year xx and keep that date?
Sorry but this might come from my Swiss habits, having the clock's at the right time, no improvisation, organization... I hate "not knowing" and am quite impatient lol

swissman said:
I don't want to use words like other people about lack of google's informations about any release date, unprofessionnal support, htc support etc... I'm sure they would better hire some of you guys to help them! You are the one which are giving us what we need, not google nor htc. I'm sorry, but feeling like moving to another OS, being iOS or WM7... too disappointed, sorry.
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Stupid comment, you got what you bought didn't you?

Riel said:
Stupid comment, you got what you bought didn't you?
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Right. I hope impatient people do move to other handsets and stop posting in the wrong section as well as creating more new threads for the same-pointless- arguments. Go outside and have some fun, walk the dog, etc.

http://translate.google.com/transla...end_story-39002365-41533741-1.htm&sl=de&tl=en
I dont know if this is true, but seems more reliable than words of a customer, lets hope for the best

zdnet is reliably.
and it ever was.
they will lost the good reputation, they worked for if this isnt true
and i dont think, they wanna risk it

This happens again and again and people believe this. Guys, first of all this is a stupid excuse from customer support.
Do you really think that Google lets HTC wait for release like the rest of us? They have been working on 2.2 from early stages too, they must if they want to release timely 2.2 devices.
Secondly, they would never ever release a froyo build before google.

swissman said:
..... But I had hope in Google as well and not having any fix release date look to me unprofessionnal... ..
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Sorry Swissman,
but a new release of a OS is NOT a FIX as you defined it.
There have been fixes available on the air, and - afaik - no other os-manufacturer does release on-the-air fixes like Google does.
Moreover, you bought a mobile phone with a working os, and - always afaik - you cannot blame Google in being supposedly in delay for a new release of an OS.
What should you think then about Microsoft for Windows 7 or Apple for OS 4????? Not to talk about Meego or else.....
Please have a cup of tea and try and have a different opiniono about "unprofessionality"....

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Sorry Swissman,
but a new release of a OS is NOT a FIX as you defined it.
There have been fixes available on the air, and - afaik - no other os-manufacturer does release on-the-air fixes like Google does.
Moreover, you bought a mobile phone with a working os, and - always afaik - you cannot blame Google in being supposedly in delay for a new release of an OS.
What should you think then about Microsoft for Windows 7 or Apple for OS 4????? Not to talk about Meego or else.....
Please have a cup of tea and try and have a different opiniono about "unprofessionality"....
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He meant a FIXED date not a fix for the OS

hey seanomccool, you just got a scoop (not)!
People with some common sense knows it since a few weeks: froyo isn't officially released yet on it's primary platform, so no way it could be released today on the desire! In fact, google just told that there's no ETA yet for froyo.

dont panic m8s,it will happend soon

hyocca said:
Oh Goodness T_T
this is real sad.
Bet so many desire owners feels the pain =(
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seriously that concerned ? get a life !!

MOTO wants to unlock bootloader!!

http://www.facebook.com/motorola/posts/10150127129950731?notif_t=feed_comment
This getting interesting!!!
MOTO wants to unlock the bootloader!!!!!
Sent from my MOTO Defy

I'll believe it when I see it, but I do hope this is true. That would be awesome!

I think that Motorola wants to unlock it because bad reviews from devs.
Sent from my MOTO Defy

Not to mention the bad PR they received when that schmuck handling their YouTube account posted that users should "look elsewhere because they will continue to do what works for them".
Can you believe that?! Motorola's an ungrateful b*tch! If it weren't for us, they'd have closed operations a long time ago. It's us, their Android users, that are saving their *sses!

Leaving alone that customization becomes a topic more and more important to the "technically apt" customers and a locked bootloader makes them "look elsewhere".
Maybe they also realize sometime that devs normally influence a large number of people in their consumer behavior, be it by their dev work or in their direct social environment.

Wait and see...
And hope it's retroactive and not just a new more open bootloader for new phones.

They starting to ask about bootloader!!
Lest keep asking Motorola!!
Maybe we and it someware!!

lets hope this is true and not just a pr thing it would make development lots better. e.g cyanogen!

User:I read that Motorola planing to help the development on android devices by unlocking the bootloader.Is this true?
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Motorola Stuff:There was a statement made, but it did not specify that the bootloader would be unlocked. Still awaiting on more details from that statement.
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Hope....

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/21/motorola-ready-to-make-sweet-love-to-rom-devs-and-rooters/

http://eric-richardson.com/a-letter...dtwit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wordtwit
Open letter to Motorola
Sent from my MOTO Defy

And now we have to wait. wait. wait .wait
I hope not several yeras :-((

Good news for me

demolition23 said:
MOTO wants to unlock bootloader!!
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You do realise they didn't actually say that, right?
I really hope they do remove all the restrictions that are there just now but what they said was actually fairly non-committal unfortunately.

Exactly.
1. If I buy my phone from retail store (not unusual here), then there's no *partner* to concern with. So, give me an unlocked bootloader *now*?
2. They may only offer it for certain models, or certain SIM-locked models from certain operators.
I'll believe it when I see it.

any petitions..=?? where i can put my name under...
no problem :=) would be a pleasure for me :=))
keep your heads up :=) greets

Do you think there will be a Android2.3 Rom for Defy?

ROM 2.2 works well,but do you think there will be a Android2.3 Rom for Defy? I like flashing new roms

with bootloader locked?
Simply and definitly NO...
With a unlocked bootloader, maybe

If you're talking about an official update it is hard to say...
As you can see, although there are already a few 2.3 phones around, Motorola still delays Defy 2.2 for most of the world.
So... Personally I don't think they're doing this because they wanna jump to 2.3 directly, but because they're concentrating on other things (like Atrix).
So I would rather expect an unofficial 2.3.
Cheers!

tomeu0000 said:
with bootloader locked?
Simply and definitly NO...
With a unlocked bootloader, maybe
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yes thats a problem,bad idea to lock it

daniel_loft said:
If you're talking about an official update it is hard to say...
As you can see, although there are already a few 2.3 phones around, Motorola still delays Defy 2.2 for most of the world.
So... Personally I don't think they're doing this because they wanna jump to 2.3 directly, but because they're concentrating on other things (like Atrix).
So I would rather expect an unofficial 2.3.
Cheers!
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yeah maybe you are right,official update is hopeless.

Yeah very stupid for moto to tight things up. Just let advanced users playing around, and novice users bricking their phones. They won't get bad rep and would most likely get some extra sales.

Well we could use Froyo Kernel for Gingerbread, Gingbread to Froyo ist not that difference!

laoabro said:
yeah maybe you are right,official update is hopeless.
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Hey you are chinese, then why dont you follow that thread on porting 2.3 on defy at goapk forum and let us know what is happening at the development?

a true one? probably not unless moto unlocks the bootloader, or it releases one itself (maybe, maybe not, moto ahs a bad reputation on tihs).
the current 2.2 roms are rocking 2.6.32 kernels and official 2.3 should be rocking 2.6.35 kernels.
that being said, one can run a hackish 2.3 rom with 2.6.32 kernels, i *think* it can be done but then it won't be truly 2.3

I don't think they will release official 2.3ROM because they didn't released a final 2.2. I hope, that Moto will officially unlocks the Bootloader to give us more possibilities...

I really hope that there will be a Gingerbread ROM some time in the future, preferably with the bootloader unlocked rather than the hacks for which I cannot prise the authors enough.
However, the Defy is still a great phone, also with 'just' 2.2 and that is what counts most to me. Who knows what kind of phone € 300 buys you in a year from now

m11kkaa said:
I don't think they will release official 2.3ROM because they didn't released a final 2.2.
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Not yet
2.2 upgrade was allways announced for Q2 2011, so they're in the planning.
After that, who knows. They may offer 2.3 after 6 month or more (when 2.4 is release on they high-end phone) But I really don't expect for that today.
For me the Defy will stay on 2.2 for Motorola. The only hope it an unlocked bootlooader (officially or not)

Same here, Defy is a 2.2 device, period. A bootloader unlock would let us use 2.3 or higher but I doubt Motorola will spend more money on a new official update. Let's hope they will actually release a 2.2 ROM in a few months (the South American market should get its froYo within a month according to their schedule).

Well after the editorial of chris ziegler of engadget about motoblur they better off kill motoblur.

Defy will have Gingerbread when Nexus one gets Android 2.5

Bendary said:
Well after the editorial of chris ziegler of engadget about motoblur they better off kill motoblur.
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Lazy journalism, pointing out the obvious.
The fact he once thought Blur was good says it all IMO.
Anyway, if Motorola haven't listened to feedback from their customers, why would one blogger's opinion sway them?

Step666 said:
Lazy journalism, pointing out the obvious.
The fact he once thought Blur was good says it all IMO.
Anyway, if Motorola haven't listened to feedback from their customers, why would one blogger's opinion sway them?
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tru dat. One review or a few posts won't sway M, however, a flood of consistant calls from customers might. To the phones
On the other hand, I did speak with tmous yesterday and they said the 2.2 which is supposed to be release 'real soon' is going to be a higher end 2.2 version...whatever that means, not even the rep had a clue what that meant but I suppose that is what they are told to say.

darule_2011 said:
...a higher end 2.2 version...whatever that means, not even the rep had a clue what that meant but I suppose that is what they are told to say.
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Sounds like a large pile of BS to me.
Froyo is Froyo, Motorola aren't going to roll out some superior version of it - in fact, with Blur, if anything it's an inferior version...

i really do believe that 2.2 froyo update will come .. but 2.3 gingerbread ? nah i dont think so ... motorola is not really known for it's updates ..but if it comes my defy will be very happy to grab it ...

Motorola has already announced a Froyo update soon and I cant wait for that. Moto's history with updates and the locked bootloader doesn't give us much to hope for, but let's keep our fingers crossed! It would be amazing though!

HTC Confirms Desire 2.3 Plans

HTC Confirms 2.3 Desire Plans​
Bit of a news flash here, sorry if it's in the wrong section but this is more of an anser to an un-asked question, y'get me?
Anyway, HTC confirmed yesterday that they WILL be updating the current Desire range upto 2.3. This includes the Desire, the Z and the HD. Hope this helps with the concerns that HTC were ditching the Desire for the Desire S.
For the rest of the information, check out this page.
The link goes to CNET
*It's likely that rather than being 2.3, the Desire will be getting 2.4, which is the latest release from Google. This is no different from 2.3 but contains some very minor bugfixes.

Nice! A bit long to wait though.
Thanks for the info!

wow thanx for the great news! made my day
i hope its worth waiting

when we will get it?

cutiyar said:
when we will get it?
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Read the article.

expler said:
wow thanx for the great news! made my day
i hope its worth waiting
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no problem, I was randomly searching the Internet for any articles that could shed any light on the current Desire situation we are all going through, and I just happened to find that neat post that was only put on there today. Alas the Desire lives on, I guess with it being so popular HTC decided to make it, however I'm not expert but from a Market view of things, I seriously doubt Honeycomb will be coming to the Desire range, as none boast dual processors and with the update coming so late, it would be a large Market downside for HTC, why develop Honeycomb for a device that's waited 6 months for a 2.4 update... Anyway I'm just glad that within my first few days of being at XDA that I have been able to help people with the Desire information, I know I only sourced it, but this stops a lot of peoples worries, and it looks promising that we WILL be getting the new sense time for a beer I think xD

We re starting to feel just like the Xperia X10 users and their updates it all goes according to HTC's plan. Nevertheless its good to know we'll be getting the new sense and and Android.

radu_wizu said:
We re starting to feel just like the Xperia X10 users and their updates it all goes according to HTC's plan. Nevertheless its good to know we'll be getting the new sense and and Android.
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I think that the reaosn why it's taking so long really lies with Google. If they hadn't of had the 2.3 exclusivity with the Nexus S, then the chances are we would have our update much quicker. However HTC should be concentrating on Software just as much as new Products. Existing customers are just as important as potentially new Customers, and at the moment it looks like they are focusing their business on creating new products, and not updating the current ones. Not a good business plan at all.

with the way that our providers play about with it , as stated in the article it will be xmas before its out

I won't look forward to the update because waiting for updates ALWAYS dissappointed me in the past...

adz63 said:
with the way that our providers play about with it , as stated in the article it will be xmas before its out
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That's one of the benefits of De-branding. My HTC Desire came branded with the Orange software (which left me with 100MB of free space) I de-braded, updated to Froyo 2.2 and had something like 143MB of free space left, and whenever HTC release an update I immidiatley recieve it. My HTC has Orange logo's on it and everything, but it's de-branded.

de Wolfe said:
I won't look forward to the update because waiting for updates ALWAYS dissappointed me in the past...
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Waiting is rubbish, HTC need to seriously take a good look at Customer Loyalty, but i'll wait HTC Sense is the best thing about the Desire.

Bah that is a long ass wait. I think I shall stick with CM7.

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Bah that is a long ass wait. I think I shall stick with CM7.
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I know what you mean

honestly, this is good news but come on... everyone on this forum has already had it on their desire's since the start when gingerbread for nexus came out. there are so many roms out there, im not excited about this, i get excited about the awesome work the devs do here

Yes please!

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honestly, this is good news but come on... everyone on this forum has already had it on their desire's since the start when gingerbread for nexus came out. there are so many roms out there, im not excited about this, i get excited about the awesome work the devs do here
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It's not the 2.4 update we can't wait for, its the new Sense, well in my case it is anyway. 2.3/4 isn't a very good update? It's a few icons and support for some other Hardware, Honeycomb should be interesting.

Can't wait!

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It's not the 2.4 update we can't wait for, its the new Sense, well in my case it is anyway. 2.3/4 isn't a very good update? It's a few icons and support for some other Hardware, Honeycomb should be interesting.
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You are aware that if the last OTA is anything to go by you won't be able to update without using an RUU? Even with a gold card

EddyOS said:
You are aware that if the last OTA is anything to go by you won't be able to update without using an RUU? Even with a gold card
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What do you mean mate? If it's OTA, than its not an RRU?

[Q] Will be supported over time?

I bought this tablet with pleasure last week, and I saw how much "ROM" There are, in fact there are many!
I wanted to know, according to you in a year or two, the situation will be like? If there is any developer who reads these lines, what do you think? Svilupperesti for another year from now or hope for him?
Little Offtopic: I paid it € 215, is a good price?

xphone1 said:
I bought this tablet with pleasure last week, and I saw how much "ROM" There are, in fact there are many!
I wanted to know, according to you in a year or two, the situation will be like? If there is any developer who reads these lines, what do you think? Svilupperesti for another year from now or hope for him?
Little Offtopic: I paid it € 215, is a good price?
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Great price!
I'm not a developer, but I hope they'll continue to support this device for 1-2 mire years until it becomes obsolete.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Please contact LG if you own the tablet and ask them about Android L support. I have already done so and they only could say "no decision has been made at this time". The more of us that contact them and ask the question the better chance we have of seeing an Android L release of the stock software.

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Please contact LG if you own the tablet and ask them about Android L support. I have already done so and they only could say "no decision has been made at this time". The more of us that contact them and ask the question the better chance we have of seeing an Android L release of the stock software.
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haha.. I actually work in the same business complex as LG (Englewood Cliff). I wonder if they'll take me lightly if I go there demanding android L. :laugh:

NJ_RAMS_FAN said:
haha.. I actually work in the same business complex as LG (Englewood Cliff). I wonder if they'll take me lightly if I go there demanding android L. :laugh:
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Just tell them you represent XDA!

When I was contacting LG support for SD card bug, I asked if they are planning for android L, their response was that they will patch SD bug, but do not plan to upgrade android version...but who knows, we must believe. And if not, custom ROM will work

The Google Play Edition will ( or should) be upgraded, as the upgrade will fall into the respective timeframe that they allow for the support of gpe devices. Guess we'll see.

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Do it for the team!
Seriously, though, while I think it's a must to nag LG about continuing support, I'm not sure there's enough of a user community to get LG's attention, unless their past track record of updates has changed . . . .

Okay, thanks to all for replies..
About unofficial rom what do you think?
Ps:I have send an email to LG for official update, but the reply is a standard "we don't know".