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so excited that i have got my rhodium i decided to start a thread so people who share my excitement when they 1st got theirs can post! hope the moderator don't close me down.................
it is beautiful and so slim considering what is under the hood! been trying that dual speakerphone system and it works well. tried using in noisy environment and it auto fades out surrounding noise so you can hear what other person is saying! still cant stop the wind blowing into speakers though!
interesting to see what battery life will be on this thing as that could be its achiles heel! added coreplayer via cab and it works well. videos look stunning! the tilt screen is much stiffer so it don't flop about like on my old kaiser/tilt. used to think the screen on my kaiser would fall off at anytime! it would be nice if people posted the their initial feelings of the device wen 1st received and thoughts after a few days of use. i will be!
thanks all

Keep us posted

waiting for mine shall have it tommorow will post my firt initial thoghts on the phone ad then long term use ie battrey life.

quarintus said:
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will do. still putting it through its paces as we speak. no freezes or untimely reboots as yet. added a few apps like tomtom etc. works well. can't get over how beautiful it looks and i am sure everyone who gets one will be happy. can't wait for all the customisations that will be available on here for this device. so exciting!

awesome and congrats. Mine should be here tomorrow i hope DHL is on time What onscreen keyboards dose it have? I am really wanting portrait suretype(compact qwerty) for the times i dont use the HW keyboard

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awesome and congrats. Mine should be here tomorrow i hope DHL is on time What onscreen keyboards dose it have? I am really wanting portrait suretype(compact qwerty) for the times i dont use the HW keyboard
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got that ez input keyboard on screen. no sure type or t9 i'm afraid! still the ez input keyboard works well and fully compatible with hardware keypad

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got that ez input keyboard on screen. no sure type or t9 i'm afraid! still the ez input keyboard works well and fully compatible with hardware keypad
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oh ok thanks for the info. I am gonna try and hunt down a suretype cab file that will work with it. It works the best for me for one handed texting

ratchetjaw said:
oh ok thanks for the info. I am gonna try and hunt down a suretype cab file that will work with it. It works the best for me for one handed texting
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if you haven't already check out this very good review on here. it will wet your appetite even more. real in depth review
http://pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=reviews&id=1139&p=1

shingers5 said:
if you haven't already check out this very good review on here. it will wet your appetite even more. real in depth review
http://pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=reviews&id=1139&p=1
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Ok thanks i have seen his unboxing and hardware review gonna check this out. Dang DHL site says clearance delay for the past 2 days. I called and they say it cleared over the weekend and will be here by 5 tomorrow. Dang sites not updated. I wish it were fedex but oh well

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Ok thanks i have seen his unboxing and hardware review gonna check this out. Dang DHL site says clearance delay for the past 2 days. I called and they say it cleared over the weekend and will be here by 5 tomorrow. Dang sites not updated. I wish it were fedex but oh well
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it will be worth it when you do get it! its a thing of beauty! let us know how you felt through your unboxing and initial usage!

shingers5 said:
it will be worth it when you do get it! its a thing of beauty! let us know how you felt through your unboxing and initial usage!
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ok will do, i am currently using a Telstra touch HD so i figuring this one is gonna be that plus an awesome keyboard for the win I am so excited feel like a little kid lol

ratchetjaw said:
ok will do, i am currently using a Telstra touch HD so i figuring this one is gonna be that plus an awesome keyboard for the win I am so excited feel like a little kid lol
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well i guess this is one of the few times we are allowed to feel like that! after initial 12 hr charge i am gonna put battery through its paces! seems to be an issue from some reviews on web. will see tomorrow and update! can't believe that MS hasn't updated WMP but i got coreplayer and thats a beast!

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well i guess this is one of the few times we are allowed to feel like that! after initial 12 hr charge i am gonna put battery through its paces! seems to be an issue from some reviews on web. will see tomorrow and update! can't believe that MS hasn't updated WMP but i got coreplayer and thats a beast!
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Oh ok sweet yeah post on the battery if you would. So WMP doesnt play movies well? On my touch hd it seemed to play better than coreplayer for me for some reason. I cant wait to try it out tomorrow How is the speaker volume? for music and ringtones

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well i guess this is one of the few times we are allowed to feel like that! after initial 12 hr charge i am gonna put battery through its paces! seems to be an issue from some reviews on web. will see tomorrow and update! can't believe that MS hasn't updated WMP but i got coreplayer and thats a beast!
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Keep in mind that it takes like 3 full battery uses and reloads to get the battery on its best.

quarintus said:
Keep in mind that it takes like 3 full battery uses and reloads to get the battery on its best.
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yeah i know that but cheers for pointing out. getting its ass kicked today to see how it holds up after 1st charging cycle. gave it overnight charge - 12hrs. really hope battery holds up as this could be the only thing that could be its undoing. however saying that, when all the cooks start building rhodium roms etc i am sure there will be things in place to aid battery life!

few other things
no spare stylus. searched whole box and nothing.................
slide out mechanism is a bit stiff for my liking but like the sturdier feel to tilt screen. not sure bout purple background and do like the t-mobile look. that will be my 1st enhancement changing clocks and penguin to t-mobile rhodium look! will post screenshots of how it looks once done! very quick scrolling and smooth accross tabs. mem usage 50% as standard. music playback is more than suitable and in my opinion quite good! FINGERPRINT magnet my god! ugh hate that but will have to live with it! screen protector in box but i can never apply without getting bubbles underneath! big fingers/hands. i find tilt suitable enough for watching vids from my desk or table at home! can't wait to see WM6.5 on this machine
edit: still have the issue where i have to untick proxy in connections to get certain web apps working on t-mobile. for example messenger! not a big prob and doesn't slow down connection speed!

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yeah i know that but cheers for pointing out. getting its ass kicked today to see how it holds up after 1st charging cycle. gave it overnight charge - 12hrs. really hope battery holds up as this could be the only thing that could be its undoing. however saying that, when all the cooks start building rhodium roms etc i am sure there will be things in place to aid battery life!
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I'm hanging on your lips. Don't know if that's a right expression. It dutch translated, that I am waiting eagerly for your findings

quarintus said:
I'm hanging on your lips. Don't know if that's a right expression. It dutch translated, that I am waiting eagerly for your findings
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no worries! posted a few more observations above. must have been typing at same time as you!

finger menu is there and almost instant. synced my hotmail and gmail accounts with no issues. camera is 3 mgp and very adequate in good light conditions. that high res screen makes all the difference. video recording is awesome dude, best performance on any HTC deivice IMHO! call quality is great and very crisp. tv out is there but alas no cable and haven't searched to see if available yet!

multemidia
opera 9.5 there and works well but no flash support. IE is there but older version not new version. flash i however supported in IE. will update IE with cab i have for new version. been bashing since morning from bout 8.30am and till 3 bars left in battery.

Fresh New Look at Windows Phone 7

Another nice video with the Asus prototype...
(pinky WP7 )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz75iTMJil8​source : intomobile via smartphone france
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Always in the NYC Microsoft press event, with the Samsung protoype...
​At the Cannes Lions International Advertising Festival (Microsoft Advertising)... WP7 in october!
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Awesome. And a much better recording than the presentations at MIX.
It's much more clear the phone don't lag, and how smooth using the interface actually is, when watching this video.
Not to sure I prefer Pink over Blue, but hey! always good with possibilities.

Now that is pretty awesome!

Windcape said:
It's much more clear the phone don't lag, and how smooth using the interface actually is, when watching this video.
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This is exactly how I felt after using it. The smoothness is quite impressive. It really makes you realize who quirky and laggy WM6.5 is.

RustyGrom said:
This is exactly how I felt after using it. The smoothness is quite impressive. It really makes you realize who quirky and laggy WM6.5 is.
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You actually managed to get hands on ? /envy
I have a Android phone (HTC Hero), I guess that speak for itself regarding laggy UI ;-)

Windcape said:
You actually managed to get hands on ? /envy
I have a Android phone (HTC Hero), I guess that speak for itself regarding laggy UI ;-)
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About 15min with some Microsofties wearily looking over my shoulder making sure I didn't break it and/or find any new stuff (I didn't).

awesome interface, i m lovin it.

Looking really good. Cant wait to get my hands on one.

man.. you tube is blocked at work
Good thing I have my TP2 to watch it
Nice, vid.

Another video showed up from the NYC Event
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EeOkPO3dLQ
You can see Gmail is supported too!

the-hq said:
You can see Gmail is supported too!
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Yup. GMail, yahoo, and windows live are all specifically listed. It has a auto-config feature that may work with some others. But it also supports any pop3, imap, or Outlook ActiveSync service (which GMail and now Windows Live supports).

New video links
First post updated with new video from Cannes Lions International Advertising Festival.
The vocal search seems pretty cool

Great to see the pink accent colour - while it wouldn't be my choice, that means they've added a few more since the leaked and unlocked ROM.
GMail support showed up in the leaked rom already, if you clicked 'set up email account' you could choose it from a list.

Awesome...I love the ASUS phone...
Damn it MS...I am forgoing the Apple Iphone4G to this...do make it for christmas!!!

looks nice!

chikoo said:
Awesome...I love the ASUS phone...
Damn it MS...I am forgoing the Apple Iphone4G to this...do make it for christmas!!!
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That ASUS phone won't ever hit retail AFAIK, neither will that Samsung phone that has been shown and I'm not even sure whether that LG phone will ever hit the market either.

Helmore said:
That ASUS phone won't ever hit retail AFAIK, neither will that Samsung phone that has been shown and I'm not even sure whether that LG phone will ever hit the market either.
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I confirm.
These are just prototypes.
I must admit that the Asus one is very smart

RustyGrom said:
About 15min with some Microsofties wearily looking over my shoulder making sure I didn't break it and/or find any new stuff (I didn't).
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Asus ? wow . that's good .
I hope asus comes out with their WP7 first in singapore ,
i'm looking forward to pwning iOS4 ^^

djdestiny said:
I hope asus comes out with their WP7 first in singapore ,
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Of course, because Singapore is their biggest and most important market in the whole world /*irony

Massive drawbacks with this phone

Ghost volume button issue on most devices
No micro sd card support
Confusing user interface
No Facebook contacts sync
No native social network widget
Can't add more home screens
Fuzzy speaker
Lock screen vibration can't be switched off
No digital clock only analog widget
Quadrant benchmark only 1500 score
Lag in many areas
No Facebook events calendar sync
Only 5m camera
NO SWYPE
THE VOLUME BUG HAS REALLY PUT ME OFF AND SAMSUNG ARE STILL TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE ISSUE,

Then don't buy it. Or if you have it, return it. Or ship it to me, I'll take it.
(Sorry in advance for long post)
viniturb0 said:
Ghost volume button issue on most devices
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"Most" devices. How do you know? because people on XDA talk about it? I highly doubt it is "most" devices. You're always going to hear from people with the problem.
No micro sd card support
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Personal preference. I don't mind. Whats it matter? I have an SDcard and haven't removed in it a year and a half.
Confusing user interface
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Its a new version of android. If you're buying this phone you KNOW that its different. If its confusing to you I'm sorry but its of course going to have a learning curve. Are you gonna complain when your other phone gets updated to ICS too? Gonna stay on 2.3 for the rest of your life? Have fun.
No Facebook contacts sync
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Google has said they'll let Facebook back in when they follow the rules for contact syncing. Its Facebooks job to fix the app.
No native social network widget
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But you have specific G+, Twitter, and Facebook widgets.
Can't add more home screens
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Again, personal preference. Every Nexus has had 5. If you want more, add a launcher. And just as a side note, if you're using more than 5 screens, its faster to go to the app drawer than swipe over to a 6th/7th screen.
Fuzzy speaker
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Is this really a problem? Again, you're only going to hear from the people who have the problem, not from all the satisfied people
Lock screen vibration can't be switched off
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Small cosmetic issue, again personal preference. Most people are fine with it (and I'm pretty sure you can turn off haptics in the settings).
No digital clock only analog widget
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Download a clock widget from the market. Stock android hasn't ever had a digital clock widget. And the time is in the status bar...
Quadrant benchmark only 1500 score
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Who cares about a benchmark score? Need to brag to your friends? All that matters is the device is quick. Its clear that Quadrant hasnt been optimized for ICS.
Lag in many areas
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Its the first phone (and a dev phone) with ICS. Its gonna be slightly off. You know this going in when you buy a Nexus. And again, it depends on whos using it and what they deep acceptable for "lag".
No Facebook events calendar sync
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Refer to the above comment on the Facebook app. Its not Google's fault.
Only 5m camera
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Which has proven to be a very capable camera if you use it right. MP =/= quality.
NO SWYPE
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Not Google's fault, again. Swype needs to be updated for ICS.
THE VOLUME BUG HAS REALLY PUT ME OFF AND SAMSUNG ARE STILL TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE ISSUE,
THIS DEVICE IS SERIOUSLY ****ALL I DUNNO WHT THE HYPE IS ABOUT.
THE S2 ****s all over it..
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RAGE. Buy a SGSII and shut up.

Also, why did you start a new thread just to copy and paste your whining and add "NO SWYPE"???

viniturb0 said:
THE VOLUME BUG HAS REALLY PUT ME OFF AND SAMSUNG ARE STILL TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE ISSUE,
THIS DEVICE IS SERIOUSLY ****ALL I DUNNO WHT THE HYPE IS ABOUT.
THE S2 ****s all over it..
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What a complete and utter troll.

Lame gs2 fanboy. Sounds like he needs an iphone more than anything if he is 'confused'.
I invented cyberspace. You're trespassing.

"Massive"??...thats a strong term to use. Most of your points are either things we already knew or there are other ways to circumvent, so therfore a non-issue. I think you just wanted to make a thread just to be making a thread.
Annnd..i let you win, by replying to this bs

Nice one buddy
I'm just pissed off cos I paid a lot of money
Do u want to buy it? I paid £530 I have a receipt for it
If not its cool I'll return it tomorrow cos of the volume issue

Sorry if I upset u guys but I paid of lot of money that's why I'm pissed off. The volume issue doesn't help u can't hear the other party cos it goes to almost 0

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"Massive"??...thats a strong term to use. Most of your points are either things we already knew or there are other ways to circumvent, so therfore a non-issue. I think you just wanted to make a thread just to be making a thread.
Annnd..i let you win, by replying to this bs[/QUOTE
I've got them all I'm not a fanboy just want stuff to work like it should mate
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viniturb0 said:
I've got them all I'm not a fanboy just want stuff to work like it should mate
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There's nothing wrong with expecting things to work. The problem is that most of the things you are expecting are things that you should have known about or things that never existed or were expected to be implemented.

Seems like OP is one of those average Android users who have not seen what stock Android is.
That's the problem with Manufacturer skins and casual users, take away Touch Wiz or HTC Sense and they're confused as hell.

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Sorry if I upset u guys but I paid of lot of money that's why I'm pissed off. The volume issue doesn't help u can't hear the other party cos it goes to almost 0
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You sound like a facebook addicted teenager. You realized that you bought a device that will set the standard for FUTURE software development right? If you want to be at the forefront of android OS, you have to let app developers to catch up. What, do you think facebook knows what will happen with ICS? If you can't live without those apps, go back to a gingerbread device, there are many choices!

I find it funny that you listed low quadrant score as an issue. You should really research about a phone before you buy it, this will inform you about the hardware limitations such as no sd card support or 5 mp camera before you take the plunge of purchasing the device.
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using XDA App

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Ghost volume button issue on most devices
No micro sd card support - this will always be an issue. The first 2 didn't have it, why would you think the 3rd one will. Galaxy Nexus has always been a developer phone so its treated differently.
Confusing user interface - From what everyone is saying, they are loving the new interface. It's refreshing and when you get used to it, its hard for people to go back
No Facebook contacts sync
Nexus S 4G had this issue. This isn't a issue with facebook not following a certain protocol that Google requested. and they took it off the Nexus phones. Or they just don't like them because they have their version of a social network
No native social network widget
They do its called google plus. Everything isn't native but 3rd party sources
Can't add more home screens
As much as I have to kinda agree with you in this because its nice to have 7 or more screens, its a dev phone so you knew this was happening long before ICS was announced
Fuzzy speaker
that sucks, but from reviewers they say its quieter but clear
Lock screen vibration can't be switched off
No digital clock only analog widget
Just get another widget that looks better anyways. They never truly had a digital clock worth adding on your home page anyways.
Quadrant benchmark only 1500 score
There have been cases that proven that the GN has scored better on web tests and other tests. Quadrant can be faulty. You are using a gingerbread program on a completely different OS. A bigger jump than eclair to gingerbread. I would compare the Razr scores as the initial breakdown (OMAP4430 vs OMAP4460 in the GN) and use that as your base comparing since Razr runs on Gingerbread
Lag in many areas
No Facebook events calendar sync
Only 5m camera Megapixels shouldn't matter. and Someone has done a camera comparison. The GN is not far off and infact has better low light capabilities than the S2. Once again this is a the same story over again, you knew this going from Nexus S that the camera won't be the best class, the same holds true here.
NO SWYPE - Swype will eventually be available through apk once it is compatible. Google isn't going to put swype on their phones. It's a 3rd party software and its up to other manufacturers to decide if they want it on their android device
THE VOLUME BUG HAS REALLY PUT ME OFF AND SAMSUNG ARE STILL TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE ISSUE, I feel ya about the volume bug. But thats what it is a bug. This is common for alot of new products, just like never buying the first year of a new model car. But alot of reviewers from publication have not seen this volume bug so it could be something else entirely and should be fixed soon.
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I put my thoughts above.

The volume bug is the only one that is severe. I don't mean to be rude, but the rest is just plain ... ignorant.
Quadrant is an accurate benchmark? It is appalling unreliable.
Megapixels is a measure of camera quality?
I'd return in your position.

What a waste, there are so many people drooling over that phone and can't yet get it...then we have to see this!
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What a waste, there are so many people drooling over that phone and can't yet get it...then we have to see this!
Sent from my Nexus S using xda premium
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if this' gonna be that kinda party i'm gonna stick my di** in the mashed potatoes! ;D

Dude, you lost me when you listed Quadrant....are you for real?

voxigenboy said:
if this' gonna be that kinda party i'm gonna stick my di** in the mashed potatoes! ;D
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Wait. You dint realize... uh nm.
I invented cyberspace. You're trespassing.

[FIRE SALE!] Tapatalk 4

This was posted everywhere else but in here, so I figured I'd bring it here too.
I got a notification from Google Play that this app was on sale for 99 cents for the next week. Highly recommended since most people use either the XDA application or Tapatalk.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.quoord.tapatalkHD&hl=en

Lol! Beat ya to it! Just not in its own thread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=44585402
For some reason though it won't let me buy the thing!!! :banghead:
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Just bought the app and man this app is sweet! Looks great on Illusion with a custom theme. Really smooth transitions and so many features. Highly recommend this app and for a buck, its totally worth it. Thanks for bringing it up!
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This was posted everywhere else but in here, so I figured I'd bring it here too.
I got a notification from Google Play that this app was on sale for 99 cents for the next week. Highly recommended since most people use either the XDA application or Tapatalk.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.quoord.tapatalkHD&hl=en
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Not happy about buying it twice. That's bull excrement.
Funny that the beta would no longer connect to XDA. Buy it again, and suddenly it's working fine. All the annoying bugs fixed without a new beta release. Weird, huh?

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Not happy about buying it twice. That's bull excrement.
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I feel you man. I'm buying it today. I'd ask for a refund honestly from the developer'.
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Aerowinder said:
Not happy about buying it twice. That's bull excrement.
Funny that the beta would no longer connect to XDA. Buy it again, and suddenly it's working fine. All the annoying bugs fixed without a new beta release. Weird, huh?
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I had the same problem when the Tablet version went live to Tapatalk HD. I still had the older beta version from right before it went live. My work around for that was to Fire up the app, let it prompt me to buy the new version and then I just hit back. The prompt closed out and I was able to use the version like normal.
I missed the initial sale of .99 when it came out of beta and the price skyrocketed to $3.99 or something like that. It never came down again. Not sure if anyone can use this work around or not, but I would suggest just ponying up the .99 for the new app. It is a pretty big upgrade in style and performance, so I doubt we'll have to do this all over again for a few years. TTv2 hadn't changed its overall look and functionality ever I think.
I have this new version, uninstalled my previous Tapatalk HD version on my tablet, I still use the TTv2 as well.
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I feel you man. I'm buying it today. I'd ask for a refund honestly from the developer'.
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Good luck with that. The old Rootzwiki app was a skinned Tapatalk and every time they (RW) upgraded the app, they asked for you to buy it again. Pissed a bunch of people off to the point, I am not sure it is even for sale any longer. Might be, but I don't care since I don't have to use it bc of the current and v2 versions of Tapatalk. Plus RW has been sold twice since those dark times. :silly:

And its also only fair to consider thatthis isn't an updated Tapatalk 2. As I understand it, its a completely rebuilt version. With the ammount of work that goes into it, I have no issue parting ways with another dollar.
Betas shouldn't be expected to work once the final release is out. Betas are for testing and working out the kinks before the actual release. They couldve kept it internal and not let you play for free at all! Plus it'd be a much longer wait! If you were the developer, would you want to let the beta version continue to work when this is how you make part of your living?
They couldve done things much differently if they were just out to screw people. No offense if you disagree with me, but if a dollar is too much to ask, stay with Tapatalk 2.
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Sorry, realized that may have come out a little harsh! Not intended! Just trying to consider the amount of work that gets put in and that I don't think anyone should be expected to work for free! Besides, I think woody is right, this'll get us for the next few years I'm sure.
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DocHoliday77 said:
And its also only fair to consider thatthis isn't an updated Tapatalk 2. As I understand it, its a completely rebuilt version. With the ammount of work that goes into it, I have no issue parting ways with another dollar.
Betas shouldn't be expected to work once the final release is out. Betas are for testing and working out the kinks before the actual release. They couldve kept it internal and not let you play for free at all! Plus it'd be a much longer wait! If you were the developer, would you want to let the beta version continue to work when this is how you make part of your living?
They couldve done things much differently if they were just out to screw people. No offense if you disagree with me, but if a dollar is too much to ask, stay with Tapatalk 2.
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Sorry, realized that may have come out a little harsh! Not intended! Just trying to consider the amount of work that gets put in and that I don't think anyone should be expected to work for free! Besides, I think woody is right, this'll get us for the next few years I'm sure.
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By all means I completely agree. I still have Tapatalk 2 from Amazon for free. And I'm buying Tapatalk 4 tonight. But I could understand the slight anger of having paid 4.00$ supporting an app and developer you love and getting pooped on the next week by a special.
And for anyone who is super frugal, just TiB Tapatalk 4 Beta and reinstall it because it's no longer on the market. Though I'd frown upon this personally. The beta still allowed me to connect to XDA yesterday evening however.
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@DocHoliday77
Understand your thoughts on beta testing. Disagree with them. Don't like the way this new rollout (if you will) happened. For more than 24 hours with the last beta (I did not know a new version was released), it simply would not connect to XDA, but would connect to my other forum accounts. Only one time did it prompt me to update, and it was about the 120th time I tried to log in. In this case, there is no reason to keep a beta internal. Letting consumers shoulder the testing work saves them months of time, and we get an update faster. They turn out the product faster and with far fewer issues than if they do internal testing.
The $0.99 price point is excellent (while it lasts). I use the app every day, and as such, have no problem paying for it (once). My problem with the new update is this: v2 and v4 have the exact same purpose, and let's be honest, the same functionality. It is the same app. With a new holo GUI. That's the problem. I'm inclined to believe v2 will either no longer be updated, or updated much less frequently. Why bother updating the old code? It's working fine.
What it boils down to is I don't want to pay for the same app twice. I would hate to see this practice become commonplace, like DLC has for consoles/PC gaming. Paid updates is a slippery slope.

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I can totally see where you are coming from. And my statement about keeping beta testing internal was simply just to point out they do have an option. I agree its not the best option, but it is one. I completely agree with you about the benefit of public betas, as I had stated before as well. But I did not realize they would just shut down any part of it without some sort of notice. While I dont expect a beta release to continue functioning after the final release, I would expect a little bit of a grace period before just shutting it down like that! And without notice too. I would agree that this is not good practice.
I realize that the purpose of V2 and V4 are the same, and they offer very similar functionality, but I was under the impression that V4 was a complete rewrite and does add to the features and functionality of V2. Exactly what the differences are, I cannot remember off the top of my head, but I do recall reading about some of them when the beta was first released a month or so ago. But even if the biggest difference is better stability for now and in the near future, I think its worth paying for the new version. Updates can only take an app so far before it needs a major overhaul. And often, starting from the ground up is the best approach when you want to provide a quality product.
Also, try to consider it from a business standpoint. I think it is reasonable to assume that the majority of people who are going to use the app, have long since purchased it. Meaning most new updates and work involved are done with diminishing returns. After a while it begins to cost a lot more to keep it up to date than they receive in sales revenue. If a business continues with that kind of path, pretty soon you will get no updates and the app will simply just die. I do think that it would've been good if they allowed current users to possibly upgrade at a lower cost, but then, I kind of think that is what the .99 sale does anyway. If not for the sale, I would be in more agreement with your position on purchasing the new update. $4-5 is kind of pushing it to begin with, and if you paid full price for the previous one I can certainly understand the resistance there.
All in all, I do get your position on not wanting to purchase the same app twice, I think everyone has been in similar situations where they would be unhappy about a purchase. But I think it has more to do with perception, at least in certain cases. If you look at it a certain way, you might get downright angry about what a developer does, but if you look at it from a different angle, it could have quite the opposite affect.
I remember maybe a year or so ago, there was a weather app that was gaining some popularity, but then the developer decided to create a new app based on the original, but with everything his customers had been requesting. They now had to buy the new one. But to make it worse, he completely took the original down, so no one could even re-download it anymore. After a lot of complaints and gripes, he then proceeded to piss everyone off even more still by re-releasing the original, but as a "Classic" version for which people had to buy a second time if they preferred it over the new one! Needless to say his popularity seemed to die down quite a bit after that.
I know that is OT but thought I would throw it out there as a comparison for a really horrible "upgrade path" chosen by a developer.
In ending, I agree with you that paid updates can be a slippery slope, but in some circumstances, it may be unavoidable if the developer wants to continue providing his products to people. At least it isn't one of those where you have to purchase features by IAP's! Or worse yet, having to spend $50-100 to get enough coins or gems to get the one really cool in-game item!
I must say, though I usually completely agree with what you say, I do tend to enjoy disagreeing with you bro! You always have excellent points to debate against! And you never try to prove an impossible point, just because you really want it to be true! :good:
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These are all good points.
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I realize that the purpose of V2 and V4 are the same, and they offer very similar functionality, but I was under the impression that V4 was a complete rewrite and does add to the features and functionality of V2. Exactly what the differences are, I cannot remember off the top of my head, but I do recall reading about some of them when the beta was first released a month or so ago. But even if the biggest difference is better stability for now and in the near future, I think its worth paying for the new version. Updates can only take an app so far before it needs a major overhaul. And often, starting from the ground up is the best approach when you want to provide a quality product.
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Complete rewrites are often necessary, especially for an amateur developer. You learn more over time, change your mind, and receive input from others that changes your mind. I rewrote an app I made over the course of a few years three times, each time a total overhaul and in a new language. Hundreds of hours, but I'm an amateur. Loved every minute of it, though! That's one reason why I don't do it any more, just takes too much time if you aren't charging for the product.
Also, try to consider it from a business standpoint. I think it is reasonable to assume that the majority of people who are going to use the app, have long since purchased it. Meaning most new updates and work involved are done with diminishing returns. After a while it begins to cost a lot more to keep it up to date than they receive in sales revenue. If a business continues with that kind of path, pretty soon you will get no updates and the app will simply just die. I do think that it would've been good if they allowed current users to possibly upgrade at a lower cost, but then, I kind of think that is what the .99 sale does anyway. If not for the sale, I would be in more agreement with your position on purchasing the new update. $4-5 is kind of pushing it to begin with, and if you paid full price for the previous one I can certainly understand the resistance there.
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This would be undoubtedly true if the smartphone market was stagnant. But there are millions of new Android device activations everyday. ICS and JB, so that's v4. This supports my argument that v2 will slowly become obsolete and no longer receive updates due to the aforementioned cost/time ratio. Also, what happens when someone who wants Tapatalk buys v2 because it's the first listing on the market? Then later find out they could have had a far superior version for the same cost? I suspect these people will not be accommodated. And we both know that some people just don't read.
My suggestion would be to make v2 free but with ads, charge for v4 (free upgrade from v2 paid). This avoids people buying the wrong version. It avoids people having to buy the app twice. And it allows people to try an older version to see if they like it before they spend $5 on it (aka a demo). It could even have some features removed to encourage people to buy the paid v4. Google's 15 minute refund period is a joke at best. It takes 15 minutes to get this app set up. It's useless. Anyhow, you can really only charge people for the same idea for so long before they get wise (hoping this happens with Call of Duty sometime soon...). They need to make a new app that people want. They need something innovative. Something unmatched. Tapatalk is no longer that. It's possible that from a business standpoint, this had to be done for the company to stay afloat. But I would argue that if this is the case, it's a sinking ship anyhow. And throwing more money at them isn't going to fix anything.
I remember maybe a year or so ago, there was a weather app that was gaining some popularity, but then the developer decided to create a new app based on the original, but with everything his customers had been requesting. They now had to buy the new one. But to make it worse, he completely took the original down, so no one could even re-download it anymore. After a lot of complaints and gripes, he then proceeded to piss everyone off even more still by re-releasing the original, but as a "Classic" version for which people had to buy a second time if they preferred it over the new one! Needless to say his popularity seemed to die down quite a bit after that.
I know that is OT but thought I would throw it out there as a comparison for a really horrible "upgrade path" chosen by a developer.
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I was unaware of this, but it sounds like he got what he deserved. Good.
In ending, I agree with you that paid updates can be a slippery slope, but in some circumstances, it may be unavoidable if the developer wants to continue providing his products to people. At least it isn't one of those where you have to purchase features by IAP's! Or worse yet, having to spend $50-100 to get enough coins or gems to get the one really cool in-game item!
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I do this with some F2Ps on PC; APB (still a great game to this day) and League. Not doing that with an app on my phone, it's just not going to happen.
I must say, though I usually completely agree with what you say, I do tend to enjoy disagreeing with you bro! You always have excellent points to debate against! And you never try to prove an impossible point, just because you really want it to be true! :good:
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There aren't many people (online) who will take the time to articulate a point, or someone who will actually give information when asked instead of blowing you off. Always enjoy finding someone else who will :good:

Took advantage of the sale but I have problems connecting to the xda forums. It states to contact the administrator if problem persists. Anyone else have this problem when first buying the app?

neotoky said:
Took advantage of the sale but I have problems connecting to the xda forums. It states to contact the administrator if problem persists. Anyone else have this problem when first buying the app?
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Unfortunately, no. Delete the app, and reinstall it and maybe reboot the phone afterwards?

Beta still connecting fine for me
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You beat me to it
Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 4

Does Android Auto work for you?

I've heard Android Auto usually doesn't work on Huawei phones and unfortunately its one of the few things I do need working on my phone. (Not just the App running, but more that is connects to my car successfully)
I'm in the US and will want to make sure Android Auto is functional before I pull the trigger. It looks like it has good LTE band support for AT&T so that i usually the other concern but I'm sure that is going to work fine.
If any of you US folks can confirm Android Auto is working I would really appreciate it, Thanks!

Would be very interested to know this too.

If no one chimes in, I'll be happy to tell you next week when I receive mine, I'll connect to my Maxima SR and test it.

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If no one chimes in, I'll be happy to tell you next week when I receive mine, I'll connect to my Maxima SR and test it.
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Thank you, really appreciate it.
What carrier are you going to be putting it on?

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Thank you, really appreciate it.
What carrier are you going to be putting it on?
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ATT.
I'm also going to test VoLTE. And spoofing the imei on ATT in an attempt to get VoLTE. See which one works.

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ATT.
I'm also going to test VoLTE. And spoofing the imei on ATT in an attempt to get VoLTE. See which one works.
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Excellent, I'm sitting on AT&T as well.

I answered in another thread but yeah works perfectly for me. So does ok Google when using Android auto but ok Google doesn't work properly if not using Android auto. China version

I need this to work or I'll get my ass lost within a week [emoji23][emoji23]
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Jerky_san said:
I answered in another thread but yeah works perfectly for me. So does ok Google when using Android auto but ok Google doesn't work properly if not using Android auto. China version
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Does it connect to the car right away when you first plug in the cable?
I have a Xiaomi Mi Max 3 now and the connection to the car sometimes takes like 5 -10 minutes..

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Does it connect to the car right away when you first plug in the cable?
I have a Xiaomi Mi Max 3 now and the connection to the car sometimes takes like 5 -10 minutes..
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Mine is pretty instant.. Both my cars have a little thing that plays in the beginning so it gives the phone about a 5 head start but its usually there by the time the animation finishes.

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Mine is pretty instant.. Both my cars have a little thing that plays in the beginning so it gives the phone about a 5 head start but its usually there by the time the animation finishes.
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And your on the Chinese version?, so you had to manually install all the Play Services?
I think i would just end up going with the Global version, so I think that's already all baked in.

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And your on the Chinese version?, so you had to manually install all the Play Services?
I think i would just end up going with the Global version, so I think that's already all baked in.
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There is a ton of misinformation floating around. Chinese version comes with services baked in. All its missing is google play store and certain google apps like gmail, android auto, hangouts, calender, and others. Its like you installed pico gapps for a rom. Just the basics included. But services and calendar sync and such were already baked in.

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There is a ton of misinformation floating around. Chinese version comes with services baked in. All its missing is google play store and certain google apps like gmail, android auto, hangouts, calender, and others. Its like you installed pico gapps for a rom. Just the basics included. But services and calendar sync and such were already baked in.
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Oh that's good to know thank you. Certainly not normal for Chinese phones.
If i'm getting one shortly tho, I'm guessing I should just get the Global version anyways?

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Oh that's good to know thank you. Certainly not normal for Chinese phones.
If i'm getting one shortly tho, I'm guessing I should just get the Global version anyways?
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If the price is the same and such I'd just grab the global. If its not that's up to you then whether you can stand the differences. I got mine the day of release from a lady who I know that came back from Shanghai that day. She grabbed my phone on the way to the airport for me from a Huawei Shop in Shanghai so I paid release day price of $880 w the case. For me that was worth it given the vendors are charging more on top of that. So I "deal" with the china problems. Notification are delayed but I found a setting that lets you tell it to not kill the background work so as long as I don't accidentally close it myself my apps that are important run in the back ground. You "can't change the launcher". You'll have people say BUT YOU CAN JUST USE GESTURES! but that isn't changing the launcher to me. They will be releasing a fix for that but I believe that affects global and china. Biggest thing for me past that is the notification stuff which I believe I've fixed as so far it's responsive.

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If the price is the same and such I'd just grab the global. If its not that's up to you then whether you can stand the differences. I got mine the day of release from a lady who I know that came back from Shanghai that day. She grabbed my phone on the way to the airport for me from a Huawei Shop in Shanghai so I paid release day price of $880 w the case. For me that was worth it given the vendors are charging more on top of that. So I "deal" with the china problems. Notification are delayed but I found a setting that lets you tell it to not kill the background work so as long as I don't accidentally close it myself my apps that are important run in the back ground. You "can't change the launcher". You'll have people say BUT YOU CAN JUST USE GESTURES! but that isn't changing the launcher to me. They will be releasing a fix for that but I believe that affects global and china. Biggest thing for me past that is the notification stuff which I believe I've fixed as so far it's responsive.
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I've had a few Xiaomi and Huawei phones in the past so I am fairly familiar with the hoops you have to jump through to disable the weird task killer stuff and get notifications working. But yes, I'd certainly want notifications from apps other than the build in ones to be pretty real time. So I think I'm ok with that.
Can't change the launcher? they block installing of any third party launcher? While not a deal breaker, I am certainly accustomed to using Nova launcher. But if It's being fixed I guess that's ok too.
The only other major issue for me I've had on the Mi Max 3 is Video Chat apps. I use Line and Skype and the other person cannot hear me consistently. Audio keeps dropping in volume and breaks up, makes video chatting unusable. I am able to get around it by using WhatsApp (No idea why that works and the others don't)
Have you done any video chatting on the phone by chance?
How are you making out with the LTE bands in the US? It seems like the band list for this phone covers most of AT&T...
Thank you for all the help.

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I've had a few Xiaomi and Huawei phones in the past so I am fairly familiar with the hoops you have to jump through to disable the weird task killer stuff and get notifications working. But yes, I'd certainly want notifications from apps other than the build in ones to be pretty real time. So I think I'm ok with that.
Can't change the launcher? they block installing of any third party launcher? While not a deal breaker, I am certainly accustomed to using Nova launcher. But if It's being fixed I guess that's ok too.
The only other major issue for me I've had on the Mi Max 3 is Video Chat apps. I use Line and Skype and the other person cannot hear me consistently. Audio keeps dropping in volume and breaks up, makes video chatting unusable. I am able to get around it by using WhatsApp (No idea why that works and the others don't)
Have you done any video chatting on the phone by chance?
How are you making out with the LTE bands in the US? It seems like the band list for this phone covers most of AT&T...
Thank you for all the help.
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You can install them and run them you simply can't make them default. I've not done video chatting but honestly I don't like to do it but I'll say if the other cameras are anything to look up to your going to be 100% fine. I get full 4g lte its just missing band 30 but my phone seems to sit on band 2 all the time.

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You can install them and run them you simply can't make them default. I've not done video chatting but honestly I don't like to do it but I'll say if the other cameras are anything to look up to your going to be 100% fine. I get full 4g lte its just missing band 30 but my phone seems to sit on band 2 all the time.
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Sounds like I can deal with the launcher issue for now until it's patched.
It's people like you that make this forum a good place to be and learn about these phones so I really appreciate it. Sounds like I need to order this phone give it a whirl as my Mi Max 3 is just too buggy for daily use.

omniphil said:
Sounds like I can deal with the launcher issue for now until it's patched.
It's people like you that make this forum a good place to be and learn about these phones so I really appreciate it. Sounds like I need to order this phone give it a whirl as my Mi Max 3 is just too buggy for daily use.
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Thanks for the compliment.. I've mostly ever been a lurker but since I was one of the first to get this phone figured I'd help as much as I could.

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Thanks for the compliment.. I've mostly ever been a lurker but since I was one of the first to get this phone figured I'd help as much as I could.
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Thank you for answering those questions! I am also interesting on this phone and your input is valuable!
May I know if you were able to watch Youtube, Netflix, etc with high resolution such as 720p?

torr310 said:
Thank you for answering those questions! I am also interesting on this phone and your input is valuable!
May I know if you were able to watch Youtube, Netflix, etc with high resolution such as 720p?
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So I don't have netflix as I use plex and such. Youtube lets me watch videos at 1080p60fps and I've actually tried doing 4k ones and it does seem to handle them well. Though you need to be closer to an AP since the transfer is a lot of data. I assume though you mean some paid youtube service or like amazon video which appears to stay low quality. The global is level 1 and china is level 3 for the drm security crap.