Coming from HTC/Motorola phones primarily the development for this phone has confused me a bit. Those phones used to get a normal root method pretty soon after release without having to worry about messing around the kernal.
Is there going to be a day where you can just root it and leave the kernal alone or is the kernal/root thing exclusive to Samsung phones?
Whsn i was on att i would use superoneclick. I too was wondering this.
Sent from my SPH-D710 using XDA App
We need this.
Sent from my SPH-D710 using XDA App
The root for this phone is as easy as it gets. I just rooted my friends inspire and while it is only one click the process it goes through us way more complex.
Samsung Galaxy S II
stangdriverdoug said:
The root for this phone is as easy as it gets. I just rooted my friends inspire and while it is only one click the process it goes through us way more complex.
Samsung Galaxy S II
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah I have to say this was a very easy process to root coming from an evo4g
Sent from my SPH-D710 using XDA App
I think he meant the fact that ur using the kernel to get to root instaed the more conventional root method we are used to seeing on devices like htc and so on. It is pretty strange the fact u flash a kernel and then flash to get root its typically gain root then flash somethingy. Or at least thats what my noob ass is used to lol
Sent from my SPH-D710 using XDA App
stangdriverdoug said:
The root for this phone is as easy as it gets. I just rooted my friends inspire and while it is only one click the process it goes through us way more complex.
Samsung Galaxy S II
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
All the root methods are simple to execute for someone who can read. But I am referring to the fact (as edison said) that you have to flash a new kernal to achieve root. I'm personally waiting for a more typical root method before I root.
Not that I don't appreciate/love the dev community but I like a COMPLETE stock setup with root before I go messing around experimenting because I don't necessarily trust EVERY dev and don't have the technical expertise to fix stuff myself.
Only solution is to just wait, I don't think many would be working on another root method because this one isn't complex, is noob friendly and works 100% I don't see any pressing reason for another method
Sent from my SPH-D710 using xda premium
Yup I hear ya. You can always root then odin bubbys pulled stock kernel for a complete stock root. It's not one click but it's close. Only draw back it there is no recovery.
Samsung Galaxy S II
Conventional root?
What is that?
Umm...there is no other way? There's no exploit anymore guys...it's either flash a rooted kernel or flash a rooted /system. And that's easy as hell
Sent from my SPH-D710 using xda premium
Unless you can get hold of Samsung's signing keys for creating a signed update.zip or find a new exploit (which would have to be fixed eventually because exploits are essentially security holes) you are pretty much stuck with the current methods.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I777 using XDA App
squshy 7 said:
Umm...there is no other way? There's no exploit anymore guys...it's either flash a rooted kernel or flash a rooted /system. And that's easy as hell
Sent from my SPH-D710 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Wow,so no more one click roost with cwm then we can flash any kernel and be good? Shizznit, one click was good stuff
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using xda premium
I miss z4root. Im not a newber but I know I like my simplicity redundantly simple.
Sent from my SPH-D710 Galaxy S II [suck it]
Honestly odin is pretty the one click we need.
.: sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch :.
Dude samsung released the source and practically handed us root on a silver platter
Sent from my SPH-D710 using Tapatalk
gpgorbosjr said:
All the root methods are simple to execute for someone who can read. But I am referring to the fact (as edison said) that you have to flash a new kernal to achieve root. I'm personally waiting for a more typical root method before I root.
Not that I don't appreciate/love the dev community but I like a COMPLETE stock setup with root before I go messing around experimenting because I don't necessarily trust EVERY dev and don't have the technical expertise to fix stuff myself.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Why should anyone find a exploit to root the phone when the bootloader
Is open and allows you to root much easier....google keeps closing holes in software making it harder and harder to root ...its not a htc where they s-off the phone .....this will probably be the only way to root because there is no reason to find another
Sent from my SPH-D710 using xda premium
What could be easier than putting this in Odin http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1282415 and hitting the start button
I think the point people are trying to make here is that they wish there was a way to have root and recovery and remain bone stock. So far there is no way to do this. Alot of people don't want to flash a custom kernel at this point because of all the problems people are reporting. Myself included. I am still stock and won't root until devs get this stuff sorted. Maybe koush will figure it out...
Sent from my SPH-D710 using Tapatalk
It's not really clear from the titles in the development section, but there is a way to root without flashing a kernel.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1282418
That's a stock system image, simply modified to include root. No kernel at all.
Related
Alright my droid inc2 willbe here in a couple of hours and m coming from a fassy I am reallying confused on the rooting process for this phone and Rome and stuff of that nature if anyone could point me in the right direction it would be great. Like do I ever use Odin? Hemdiell? Cwm? Bootloader? Ill be honest compared to the galaxy s it seems like a totally fifteenth scene and this was the first phone I rooted. Any suggestion is welcome
Sent from my SCH-I500 using XDA Premium App
Golgotha theskull said:
Alright my droid inc2 willbe here in a couple of hours and m coming from a fassy I am reallying confused on the rooting process for this phone and Rome and stuff of that nature if anyone could point me in the right direction it would be great. Like do I ever use Odin? Hemdiell? Cwm? Bootloader? Ill be honest compared to the galaxy s it seems like a totally fifteenth scene and this was the first phone I rooted. Any suggestion is welcome
Sent from my SCH-I500 using XDA Premium App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Do not accept the ota update, whatever you do.
Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk
kingsway8605 said:
Do not accept the ota update, whatever you do.
Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Negative Nancy is right
Golgotha theskull said:
Alright my droid inc2 willbe here in a couple of hours and m coming from a fassy I am reallying confused on the rooting process for this phone and Rome and stuff of that nature if anyone could point me in the right direction it would be great. Like do I ever use Odin? Hemdiell? Cwm? Bootloader? Ill be honest compared to the galaxy s it seems like a totally fifteenth scene and this was the first phone I rooted. Any suggestion is welcome
Sent from my SCH-I500 using XDA Premium App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Root from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1160511
simply dl, unzip to desktop, install other files on website, plug in phone "with usb debugging" and set to charge. Run Alpharevx and it will do all the work for you. It will also install Clockwork Recovery.
From there I did this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1160745
and after that simply install the ROM you want in the Dinc2 Android Dev section of this forum. I have used CM7 and MIUI 1.7.8. I was a CM fan but am really enjoying the MIUI interface and themes. You can DL Rom Manager from the market and have it DL and install the latest version of either one of these themes, or you can dl them from this site and install them manually.
kingsway8605 said:
Do not accept the ota update, whatever you do.
Sent from my ADR6350 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It came with it preinstalled I read that much and when I saw that got a little frustrated
Sent from my ADR6350 using XDA Premium App
first thing to do when you're DInc2 arrives is check the software info. If you're still on Froyo, then you're golden, you can use a free software utility made by Alpharev X to S-OFF (bypass the digital signature that prevents unauthorized software installation). If it comes preinstalled with Gingerbread, you're boned; the only way to S-OFF is to use an XTC Clip which will cost you abit of cash. If you find yourself needing to go that route, PM me, I have an unused PAYG XTC Clip with 1 credit.
In came with gingerbread is there not a way to flash the froyo Rom like the fascinate if not I don't think ill root for a while in case I need to take my phone in
Sent from my ADR6350 using XDA Premium App
I have rooted a ton of devices from tablets to phones and I don't specifically recall ever needing to flash an entirely different kernel to do so.
My question is, is a new kernel an understood for root access? I was under the impression root was, well...access, to system files and the like.
I'm actually pretty sure devices have been rooted PRE kernel source being released, and that source is more conducive to custom ROMs than anything else.
If someone who knows could clarify, I would be grateful and I also think it may begin to explain why some folks are *LOSING* functionality with root.
Sent from my SPH-D710 using xda premium
The kernel is the heart of the OS. when the kernel is rooted, so is everything else
People are losing functions because the source code from Samsung is jacked up, and the devs are trying to pull it together
Sent from my SPH-D710 using xda premium
Same thing I thought when I first bought my samsung vibrant... They whereusing the international galaxy s kernels untill samsung released sourcs to the current/up to date one... Samsung is know for latd updates and failed source codes
Well thats my opinion but they do make great hardware and tvs lol
Sent from my SPH-D710 using XDA App
nate420 said:
Same thing I thought when I first bought my samsung vibrant... They whereusing the international galaxy s kernels untill samsung released sourcs to the current/up to date one... Samsung is know for latd updates and failed source codes
Well thats my opinion but they do make great hardware and tvs lol
Sent from my SPH-D710 using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You aren't kidding about the TVs. I was at Sears and they had a Sammy glasses free 3D set up like 64" or something, Avatar was playing...literally jaw dropping.
Sent from my SPH-D710 using xda premium
abowlby said:
You aren't kidding about the TVs. I was at Sears and they had a Sammy glasses free 3D set up like 64" or something, Avatar was playing...literally jaw dropping.
Sent from my SPH-D710 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah I got a 52" there so nice
Sent from my SPH-D710 using XDA App
Another way to achieve root without replacing the kernel is with an exploit that takes advantage of a bug i.e. in the bluetooth stack to temporarily gain elevated (SU) privileges and use it to install permanent root, flash a new recovery, etc. That's probably the kind of root method that you are more familiar with.
diesel556 said:
Another way to achieve root without replacing the kernel is with an exploit that takes advantage of a bug i.e. in the bluetooth stack to temporarily gain elevated (SU) privileges and use it to install permanent root, flash a new recovery, etc. That's probably the kind of root method that you are more familiar with.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ahh, that makes sense. See, a few devices I've rooted have been pretty straight forward. But the the OG rooting process on the Nook Color was odd as hell, and then the choice of booting SD or eMMC was another consideration to take. The process of rooting Tablets seems to be somewhat similar to this one floating around for the ET right now.
So I am coming from a rooted and heavily flashed Sensation, we had several ROM's, and I tried them all. I know this phone is very new and the Devs haven't even begun with this device, but so far I don't see really any reason to root? Are there at least any cool tweaks I am missing? Again, I know it's all coming, but am I missing something super cool we can do on a rooted SGS2 yet? I want to join the fun, but I don't see much to get excited about (yet).
The roms the are out are well worth rooting for
Sent from my Hercules with xda Premium.
Couldn't agree more. Just the ability to back up your device should be reason enough alone to root. A better question is why would you not!
Sent from my SGH-T989 using XDA App
even ignoring the fact of ROMs
you will need root, to gain full access to Titanium Backup, which is the #1 must have tool for migrating from one phone to another phone
right now i would say the roms, the beastrom i got is amazing, better battery life and data speeds!
The main reason I rooted was to get rid of all the bloat.
Sent from my SGH-T989 using XDA App
AllGamer said:
even ignoring the fact of ROMs
you will need root, to gain full access to Titanium Backup, which is the #1 must have tool for migrating from one phone to another phone
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
+1
And again, why wouldn't you root? All it does is give you complete access to your phone. Whether you use that access or not is up to you, but there's no good reason not to have it. You can always unroot if you need to return your phone and use your warranty.
Rooting and installing the EaglesBlood ROM has more than doubled my battery life.
If that's not enough reason to root, I don't know what is.
What about the portable hot spot without fee thats a big one!
Replacing the standard Gmail apk (the one found on the market) and putting this modified apk (found here):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=16263121
In its place, which releases the power of Gmail unread count Widgets and launchers.
You need root to manually replace the Gmail.apk within /system/app/ folder with the modified version.
Oh yeah... also the ability to nandroid backup.
Sent from my HTC Vision using xda premium
Honestly, I'd really love to root and what not, but I really effed up my Continuum on Verizon using ODIN so I'm real scared to use it again. I wish you could just use Gingerbreak or something easy like that.
Sent from my SGH-T989 using Tapatalk
I rooted to remove bloat and to install TB, adblocker, terminal and cwm. I'm still on stock and don't see a need to flash roms now cuz everything working great. I'm holding out for ICS which you will need root for if you want it early.
Sent from my SGH-T989 using xda premium
That seems like a good idea. I honestly can't complain with stock right now and would like to wait until something besides an ODIN root comes out.
Sent from my T-Mobile Galaxy SII using Tapatalk
sportsinger75 said:
Honestly, I'd really love to root and what not, but I really effed up my Continuum on Verizon using ODIN so I'm real scared to use it again. I wish you could just use Gingerbreak or something easy like that.
Sent from my SGH-T989 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
sportsinger75 said:
That seems like a good idea. I honestly can't complain with stock right now and would like to wait until something besides an ODIN root comes out.
Sent from my T-Mobile Galaxy SII using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Seemed pretty easy and straightforward to me. Much easier than rooting my G2. Had a little hiccup trying to put it in d/l mode since this was my first time using odin, but figured it out fast enough. Just turn off your phone, plug in your usb, and then turn it on while holding vol up and vol down at the same time. Should go into d/l mode instead of recovery.
sofakingstoked said:
so i am coming from a rooted and heavily flashed sensation, we had several rom's, and i tried them all. I know this phone is very new and the devs haven't even begun with this device, but so far i don't see really any reason to root? Are there at least any cool tweaks i am missing? Again, i know it's all coming, but am i missing something super cool we can do on a rooted sgs2 yet? I want to join the fun, but i don't see much to get excited about (yet).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
after rooting it you can delete the thethering manager app.apk from the sytem/app so you can use your built in wifi thether for free yo.
I would do it for the ability to fully use titanium backup and to have full access to your phone.
I did it for those reasons alone. Im not a rom jumper and I stick to stock and unless a rom way different than stock comes, I'll stick to stock.
joselarajan87 said:
so you can use your built in wifi thether for free yo.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Of all the T-Mobile phones I've used this seems to have the most bloatware....rooting definitely helps getting rid of all of it. Dev support also seems to be growing. I have the latest EaglesBlood Rom and could not be happier. now getting better battery life and overall greater speed and smoothness.
Sent from my Xoom using Tapatalk
I have a Tmobile Samsung Galaxy S2 and a mac so as of now I can't really root the phone because its windows only for the root. I'm waiting for a mac abled one click root.
Other then that, this is my first Android (came from the iPhone 4) and wanted to know how do you guys decide which rom to use? Also, how hard is it to flash to different roms? I can do it after I root correct and if I do change rom's I would not have to reroot would I?
Thanks
le14 said:
I have a Tmobile Samsung Galaxy S2 and a mac so as of now I can't really root the phone because its windows only for the root. I'm waiting for a mac abled one click root.
Other then that, this is my first Android (came from the iPhone 4) and wanted to know how do you guys decide which rom to use? Also, how hard is it to flash to different roms? I can do it after I root correct and if I do change rom's I would not have to reroot would I?
Thanks
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
once rooted it's fairly simple with CWR manager
the alternative to Odin is to use Heimdall, which is cross platform compatible
AllGamer said:
once rooted it's fairly simple with CWR manager
the alternative to Odin is to use Heimdall, which is cross platform compatible
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
would there be a tutorial for rooting with a mac using heimdall? this would be my first time rooting an android and I don't want to brick anything.
OK so a bit of history...
I just sent back a galaxy note 2 n7100 to amazon (removed all trace of root)
Sent it back as I installed root and custom rom - managed to lose imei etc (didn't backup)
Even after the noble efforts of some kind forum members I could not save the phone
They have sent me a new note n7100.
I want to root it and back it up only. I can live with stock samsung rom
I don't even need cwm installed as the root is for a few certain apps and a cheeky overclock.
Is it safe enough to just root? Will I be able to unroot and update my stock rom?
Thanks
Dan
There are stickies everywhere with information on rooting. Only you will know when you are comfortable enough to root your phone. If you are not comfortable doing it, , don't. Read and study more until you are not longer afraid.
NightHawkUndead said:
There are stickies everywhere with information on rooting. Only you will know when you are comfortable enough to root your phone. If you are not comfortable doing it, , don't. Read and study more until you are not longer afraid.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah I have read stickies and such.
I was comfortable with rooting my galaxy s3 as I had no problems with it.
I just don't want to ruin my new note 2
spanielgita said:
Yeah I have read stickies and such.
I was comfortable with rooting my galaxy s3 as I had no problems with it.
I just don't want to ruin my new note 2
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I just picked up the Note 2 yesterday and looking to do the same . I came from the vibrant which had no flash counter or normal rom check . From what I've read cf root is most likely what I'm going to use but I'm not very familiar with this flash counter stuff . I'm on the jump plan and plan on upgrading in 6 months and I don't want my upgrade to be rejected due to flash counter and so on . An help is much appreciated .
Sent from my SGH-T889 using xda app-developers app
I kinda think you have to root for firewalls, avast anti theft, no ads, also directory bind and increased sound Volume.
The root is pretty simple and there are enough guides to get your counter reset and indeed lose the modified tag. It worked for me.
Dr ketan has a few real good guides. Don't be scared. I've rooted four of these and now I've a custom rom too.
Sent from my GT-N7105 using xda app-developers app
Is tmobile note 2 n7100 or n7105 how do I determine this . Thanks
Sent from my SGH-T889 using xda app-developers app
Settings, about device. It'll show model number in there
Sent from my GT-N7105 using xda app-developers app
Thats the first place I looked sgh-t889 so where is everyone getting n7100 and n7105 from .......... Lmao I think I'm in the wrong thread . Just saw the tmobile galaxy note 2 thread .
Sent from my SGH-T889 using xda app-developers app
Rooting is a piece of cake. It's finding a custom Rom that suites you which is the real problem. It's like a jungle out there for us noobs.
Sent from my GT-N7105 using Tapatalk 4 Beta
If the gains you perceive from rooting (custom ROMs, Tasker/Titanium, nandroids, etc) outweigh your risk-aversion to possibly losing your warranty or damaging your phone, then don't do it.
Having said that, if you follow all the instructions carefully and understand the process, you should have no issues. I've rooted the last half dozen phones/tablets and it's been smooth sailing.
After losing my IMEI it took me almost 3 weeks to find a solution to my uprooted device, now that I regained the IMEI back I rooted it for the first time, installed the triangle away and returned the status to normal the counter was already 0. I've also noticed that the OTA update is functioning properly.
Found the correct thread and files and I've successfully rooted and have the unlimited multi window mod .
Sent from my SGH-T889 using xda app-developers app
How come no one knows about Framaroot?
I use it to root; then freeze and uninstall apps with titanium and then fully unroot
Lol. @ agentfour20 Yeah I did see your phone show up as that on your posts but wasn't sure. Glad you got it sorted now.
Edit - ismo29 I know what you mean but I think this phone doesn't need a custom rom as much as most
Sent from my GT-N7105 using xda app-developers app
lu1gj3s said:
How come no one knows about Framaroot?
I use it to root; then freeze and uninstall apps with titanium and then fully unroot
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Framaroot is OK for a last call. But the issue is that it still can open doors that normal rooting doesnt.
I use the prerooted stock with odin
Sent from my GT-N7100 using xda premium
lu1gj3s said:
How come no one knows about Framaroot?
I use it to root; then freeze and uninstall apps with titanium and then fully unroot
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
jetbruceli said:
Framaroot is OK for a last call. But the issue is that it still can open doors that normal rooting doesnt.
I use the prerooted stock with odin
Sent from my GT-N7100 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Samsung have also patched the vulnerability in newer firmwares.
-- Sent from the mighty Note 2 --
spanielgita said:
OK so a bit of history...
I just sent back a galaxy note 2 n7100 to amazon (removed all trace of root)
Sent it back as I installed root and custom rom - managed to lose imei etc (didn't backup)
Even after the noble efforts of some kind forum members I could not save the phone
They have sent me a new note n7100.
I want to root it and back it up only. I can live with stock samsung rom
I don't even need cwm installed as the root is for a few certain apps and a cheeky overclock.
Is it safe enough to just root? Will I be able to unroot and update my stock rom?
Thanks
Dan
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Mate its perfectly safe to just root and install recovery so you can do your nandroids and EFS BACKUP THIS TIME LOL
sent from my R800i Xperia play with xda premium.. that is all..
If you r not going to root then u will never get the the real test of android.... Using stuck boring ROM everyday...bad idea...
Just root and enjoy the your android...
Just some reading I came across. seems that kitkat is upping security with dm-verity on boot. Looks like modifying may get more complex in the near future. Everyone is worried about Samsung's Knox warranty flag but Google is trying to road block as well.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/google-taking-aim-at-device-modders-in-android-4-4-kitkat/
Thinking some s4 users should check this out as many here are concerned about Knox...
Edit: chainfire did his thing and rooted. I'd be interested to see if any errors come from apps gaining root access or whatnot
Sent from my SGH-M919 using xda app-developers app
tylerholbrook said:
Just some reading I came across. seems that kitkat is upping security with dm-verity on boot. Looks like modifying may get more complex in the near future. Everyone is worried about Samsung's Knox warranty flag but Google is trying to road block as well.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/google-taking-aim-at-device-modders-in-android-4-4-kitkat/
Thinking some s4 users should check this out as many here are concerned about Knox...
Edit: chainfire did his thing and rooted. I'd be interested to see if any errors come from apps gaining root access or whatnot
Sent from my SGH-M919 using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'd think those elements of 4.4 could be removed at the source code level for custom ROMs to be able to be installed on previously rooted devices. Or be bypassed in some way.
It's not an easy fix for developers, but I'd bet you it can be done.
As for exploiting devices that ship with 4.4 that's another story. But for clean installs of 4.4 ROMs on already rooted devices I'd bet this is doable.
And if not, Android and Google can bite me for wanting to be more like Apple and I'm sure the phone modder community will see a huge swift toward the Ubuntu mobile platform that never really got enough steam to get properly started due to the popularity of Android.
Yeah, chainfire already has a oneclick root for the nexus 5 pre loaded with 4.4, so root is still achieved at least with nexus. Wondering though if 4.4 will get harder and harder with the bootloader and what not for phones like the galaxy series and note, guess time will tell but I'm going to do some research before I get my next phone loaded with 4.4.
Sent from my SGH-M919 using xda app-developers app
When I ran the PA 4.4 build on the N7 (2012). Getting root was pretty easy. I also had no issues with running TB or any other rooted app. I am looking forward to more 4.4.
I flashed 4.4 on my Gnex last night and gaining root was as easy as flashing the root zip.
Wonder than what that article means than.
Sent from my SGH-M919 using xda app-developers app
tylerholbrook said:
Wonder than what that article means than.
Sent from my SGH-M919 using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The article, and the issue point to a grim future for any phone besides a nexus that ships with KitKat. Unlocking these new devices such as the Galaxy S5 just got a whole lot more difficult.
what you can and cannot flash with a Nexus phone or anything else with an unlocked bootloader is irrelevant.
That's what I was thinking, also official otas from carriers as well right? Aosp 4.4 builds should be alright? Since htc is getting kit kat should that shed any insight to where this is going?
Sent from my SGH-M919 using xda app-developers app
Interesting
Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk
brando56894 said:
I flashed 4.4 on my Gnex last night and gaining root was as easy as flashing the root zip.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah but what if you weren't able to use a custom recovery ? Would it be as easy then ?
Gaining root on a device with a locked bootloader is the real challenge. When you have an unlocked bootloader you can do what whatever you want pretty much...
It may make exploiting new phones harder (someone will definitely achieve it though), but any phone that is currently unlocked should be fine as this can easily be disabled in AOSP builds.