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Edit: This information may or may not be incorrect. Read it if you like, but dont post negative comments, its not cool.
Android Froyo delayed till September
July 3rd, 2010
Froyo Android 2.2
As Android Froyo has hit some roadblocks, HTC Desire, HTC Legend and HTC Wildfire seem to be the first ones to get affected.
As per initial plans, the Froyo was to be launched on the Nexus One and then on the HTC Desire after a week. However, Froyo does not seem to hit the handsets anytime before September as Google and HTC continue to keep the issues under wraps.
It is not just the HTC handsets that will be affected by the delay because most other Android Smartphones are also awaiting the Froyo. The recently launched Samsung i900 Galaxy S and the Dell Mini 5 (Streak) are few such handsets which will have a significant impact.
HTC has been in the forefront of manufacturing stunning handsets on the Android platform and as we all know they made the Nexus One for Google too. HTC Desire is the basis for the Google Nexus One and hence the striking similarity between the two handsets is inevitable.
Google on the other hand will be under pressure to get the Android Froyo out thanks to the launch of the iPhone 4. Inspite of multiple issues in the iPhone 4, it is still a stiff competitor for the Android 2.1 Eclair.
Do you have a source for this?
Is still Q3 as mentioned before
i call BS given that the only site which google searching the first paragraph is some crappy little mobile phone site
Nothing on google indeed. Any decent source would be on there in a minute.
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i call BS given that the only site which google searching the first paragraph is some crappy little mobile phone site
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Possibly is, I can't confirm or deny it. I just read it and thought I would post for your benifit.
Believe it or dont believe, Your call.
wickedpenguin said:
Possibly is, I can't confirm or deny it. I just read it and thought I would post for your benifit.
Believe it or dont believe, Your call.
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Haha what benefit is there for us from this?
Since there is no credible source, I won't take this serious. And September would still be Q3.
Maybe here the source with no official source ^^
http://www.mobile-hub.co.uk/mobile-phone-news/android-froyo-delayed-till-september/
Dont care.
The way its worded is implying that 2.2 in general isn't ready - which we know it isnt' true
Sounds to me like the quoted source (that is a quote isn't it) is reading a bit much into the 3rd quarter announcement. Mind you, I'd be pleasantly surprised if we see the update before September, but to call it as being delayed is going a bit far.
Also wonder what the source's source twice removed is for the expectation that the Desire was expected to get Froyo only a week after the N1. I mean, talk about speculation. Not even an optimstic developer on the inside would say "nah, we could do it in a week and I'll stake my career, no the whole company's entire reputation on it".
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Haha what benefit is there for us from this?
Since there is no credible source, I won't take this serious. And September would still be Q3.
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I dont know whether it is a credible source, for all I know the guy who wrote it is the CEO of HTC.
Whats the negativity people. I thought the info would be useful.
Did Nexus get 2.2 OTA already?
yes it did.
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Edit: This information may or may not be incorrect. Read it if you like, but dont post negative comments, its not cool.
As per initial plans, the Froyo was to be launched on the Nexus One and then on the HTC Desire after a week. However, Froyo does not seem to hit the handsets anytime before September as Google and HTC continue to keep the issues under wraps.
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This clearly states that the Nexus one has not received Froyo witch is not true(!)
Why bother spreading nonsense? That no good for anyone. As stated, its quarter three that is the official info from HTC.
My edit: To spread rumours without reviewing your sources is in itself NEGATIVE(!) Good that you edited your post, but to apply scepticism to sources is NATURAL and in itself neutral (read not negative).
Please review your post and apply source criticism before you post posts containing rumours. That will spare us plenty of irritation.
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Whats the negativity people. I thought the info would be useful.
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Unfortunately its not.
Everyone's still licking their wounds from that June 23rd etc.. bs
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Unfortunately its not.
Everyone's still licking their wounds from that June 23rd etc.. bs
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Ok, well from another source Code Named S. Clause, I hear it is coming out 25th December this year.
why is everbody saying that the nexus One allready have had the update.
i have a friend that has the nexus1 and he can push the button update now but the phone keeps telling he is up-to-date.
how come that he cant update and you guys talk that the update is released.
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why is everbody saying that the nexus One allready have had the update.
i have a friend that has the nexus1 and he can push the button update now but the phone keeps telling he is up-to-date.
how come that he cant update and you guys talk that the update is released.
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I also talked to someone today with a Nexus one and he hasn't recieved the OTA 2.2 update.
I think its regionalised
That's why these things are called rumours.
The 23 June release nonsense had plenty of 'sources' but they were just rumours as well.
The one thing I know for certain is that HTC won't release it until they feel like releasing it....
And why do some of you guys take this so seriously? It's about an OS on a phone - not life or death.
Maybe not enough important stuff going on in your lives? Relax!
There's a lot of rumors going around that Microsoft is actually ready to release Mango this summer, I just came across this (old) Dell roadmap.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/wpcms_production/resources/images/000/044/201/large/dell-2011-smartphone.png
They have a "Windows Phone 7 Next Gen" Device called the Wrigley scheduled for July 2011. So maybe Mango is going to come out this summer? Wouldn't surprise me, if it's ready then they're going to want to push it out asap.
Judging from the lack of support for their current WP7 device I wouldnt put much faith in any Dell roadmap.
Exactly... not only that but keep in mind once MS releases Mango the carriers are going to want to do their own testing to see what works and what doesnt to send BACK to MS to fix. There release of NODO was a little behind schedule so I cant imagine that Mango is going to be on schedule let alone ahead of schedule.
When it comes it comes. No sooner no later.
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When it comes it comes. No sooner no later.
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Is that like the Zen philosophy of smartphone updates?
ha... well so far thats probably the only philosophy that works with WP7. Untill this OS is cracked open its not like we can even load stuff on super earlier like you can with an android headset or WM.
Regardless, I'm sure it'll be worth the wait. Any dates at this point is mere speculation. Regarding MS' update schedule I'll believe the update release date when the phones start actually getting them!
I don't think you'll see Mango sooner than late fall.
I hpoe it won't be after the holiday season, that would be a major bummer. Hopefulley they will have a better idea after May 24 for what ever is being announced with Mango then. I am looking forward to a MSM8655 SoC hopefully with a side qwerty!
I'm going to stick with Spring of 2012. That way I am pretty sure not to get disappointed.
I have it from a good source that it will release this summer. I of course can't identify my source, but I assure you it is credible.
Expect it to release sometime in summer, with networks rolling it out Sept/Oct.
What my source did not say is when this snippet of info would be released, but my bet is that we will hear about it on the 24th, as that would make logical sense.
What this means to me:
Once it is out, we can probably figure out a hack to get it in summer instead of fall by cutting out the tele network.
Okay, so I saw a bunch of the tech news sites running with the story about 5.0 coming out in Q2 (Google I/O?). Anybody have any GOOD info on this? I can't imagine it will be anywhere near as big an update as 4.0 was, but I am curious as to what it will have, who will get it first (GNex makes the most sense), and how far behind that release 6.0 and the next Nexus device are.
The next version will be 4.1
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Okay, so I saw a bunch of the tech news sites running with the story about 5.0 coming out in Q2 (Google I/O?). Anybody have any GOOD info on this? I can't imagine it will be anywhere near as big an update as 4.0 was, but I am curious as to what it will have, who will get it first (GNex makes the most sense), and how far behind that release 6.0 and the next Nexus device are.
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We won't be seeing 5.0 for at least until Q4.
We may not get it until Q4 but it is extreamley probable that is will be announced in Q2 due to that's when google i|o is
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We may not get it until Q4 but it is extreamley probable that is will be announced in Q2 due to that's when google i|o is
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Doubt it. THey haven't even polished ICS. They would just stir up **** talking about 5.
if anything, Android 5 would probably be more of a minor update like it was from froyo to gingerbread than gingerbread to ICS. more behind the scene changes
This just further proves to the tech blog community that 'android fragmentation' will always exist.
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This just further proves to the tech blog community that 'android fragmentation' will always exist.
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If thats the price of having a 'latest and greatest' style community I'm fine with that. I think went you have fast paced development and your always looking at the next big thing theres always gonna be a lack of consistency.
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Why has the word RUMOR been left out of this entire thread!?
Okay continue the speculation..
Have to love Rumors, I think 4.1 is more logical than 5.0 and I would think we would see it on the gnex fairly quick. But again this is all speculation and rumors at this point.
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I don't really see versioning == fragmentation. Having developed with and seen the android SDK grow, it looks like natural evolution to me.
Most people don't really get it. From 2.3 to 4.0 isn't like they rewrote "android", the changes are not that drastic. Its still essentially the same basic API and framework, with additions and deprecations as needed. In fact the increase of a "major" version number (2->4) was completely a farce, and entirely marketing spin.
So, 5.0 will be much of the same, and 4.0 is so good now, I can't say I'm all that worried about when its coming out. My main concerns are with manufactures optimization of the drivers that interface with the ICS HAL. Get that ironed out first, and let ICS be ICS.
Only real direction for growth is for Android to start having the ability to become a desktop computer + tablet in one, basically like W8 is trying to do.
ICS basically bridged phone + tablet, so only remaining path is to add desktop to it, to be able to replace most office computers (that aren't needing high powered gear)
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I don't really see versioning == fragmentation. Having developed with and seen the android SDK grow, it looks like natural evolution to me.
Most people don't really get it. From 2.3 to 4.0 isn't like they rewrote "android", the changes are not that drastic. Its still essentially the same basic API and framework, with additions and deprecations as needed. In fact the increase of a "major" version number (2->4) was completely a farce, and entirely marketing spin.
So, 5.0 will be much of the same, and 4.0 is so good now, I can't say I'm all that worried about when its coming out. My main concerns are with manufactures optimization of the drivers that interface with the ICS HAL. Get that ironed out first, and let ICS be ICS.
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Anti-android people just like to throw out the word fragmentation, don't feed trolls.
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This just further proves to the tech blog community that 'android fragmentation' will always exist.
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Hey you, get back under your bridge until we say you can come out.
Damnit I accidentally hit thanks.
I don't know why people keep shooting this down as a rumor?
It's almost certain that we will see a major announcement in Q2, since google has been updating android 2 times a year almost since its release. The only uncertainty is whether they'll upgrade the name and how much they'll upgrade the version number.
So yes we will see an announcement at Google I/O and it'll be likely to hit our gn's first, just as we will see another one in Q3/4 along with another device release.
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I don't know why people keep shooting this down as a rumor?
It's almost certain that we will see a major announcement in Q2, since google has been updating android 2 times a year almost since its release. The only uncertainty is whether they'll upgrade the name and how much they'll upgrade the version number.
So yes we will see an announcement at Google I/O and it'll be likely to hit our gn's first, just as we will see another one in Q3/4 along with another device release.
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You must have missed the announcement where Google said they will only give one update a year from here on out. With all the clamoring on how ICS is a "huge" update you will NOT see 5.0 in Q2 AND something in Q4.
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I think we'll see a 4.1 update fairly soon, but JellyBean probably not until next year during the annual release and it will probably be just back end code like stated. We'll probably start seeing information on it around the end of Q2 but I don't see anything dramatic coming to light.
ICS was the BIG change over everyone was waiting for that brings tons of features to the table. I can't see them doing anything dramatic for a while. I think the CORE Android is where they want it to be now where Tablets and Phones are merged into one single version.
someone swing by google and see if the statue is up or not
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I don't know why people keep shooting this down as a rumor?
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Because everywhere this is found on the internet it is tagged with a big ass RUMOR in the title!! And the original source is known for pulling **** out of their ass.
Im here at work and got me thinking bout the rumoured news bout Google releasing the JB 5.0 sometime this fall or workingnto release Q1 2013. News from AndroidPolice...too lazy to link it.
Im just thinking that these updates are happening way to fast. Some phones are yet to receive their ICS and yet JB is just around the corner. Also, new phones with quad will be released early/late spring..? with ICS and for some they will have to wait for another good amount of time for JB. We know that Samsung etc are never on the dot when releasing updates.
I kinda miss the days of Windows OS when they actually make you wait 2/3yrs for a new OS release. Just kinda makes it worthwhile.
All im saying is, that Google should wait until the supported phones have been updated to ICS and give them time to enjoy it. For others they will have to spend an extra money to buy the latest phone with ICS. Not really fair.
Ok im goin back to working...lol...sorta
Until we start seeing apps that don't work on somewhat new OS's I don't see it as a problem. For the most part, apps being put out now are still compatible with Froyo so why should people on Froyo care? Yes it sucks to get a new phone and not have the newest OS but what do you expect Google to do? With apple releasing yearly releases as well they need to keep up.
Google has been releasing yearly OS updates for a while now. Why the concern all of a sudden? Also, probably not worth getting worked up over unreliable rumors.
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I think one release a year is fair. With all thats evolving in the mobile landscape, an update interval any more than that will risk falling behind the competition.
A yearly update is not just to change things around for the heck of it, but to aim to improve the user experience. If the Android team has good work ready to be released, I don't see why they should hold it back because manufacturers can't get their act together. This is why we have the Nexus phones.
I completely disagree. Google's yearly release cycle means that they are always working on making Android better. Since a new major OS release comes every year, I am guaranteed to have a modern phone with a modern OS every year if I continue buying Nexii.
In my opinion it is certainly a good thing.
I dont agree with this. Wait 2-3 years for new features and fixes while other OS's (iOS and Windows Mobile) continue to have yearly updates? No thank you.
For the majority of people, whatever current Android they are on is more than enough for them. If you want to stay on the bleeding edge, you get a Nexus device.
JB probably will not be as big as an upgrade as it was from GB to Honeycomb or ICS.
How is Fall of 2012 or Q1 of 2013 too fast? It's not even spring yet. ICS was announced and released in November, I think. That is a full year, at least, in between OS changes. I think that 1 year in between OS updates is perfect. Why would you want to be stuck on an old OS when new, better features are always a good thing?
You're pretty much saying that you wouldn't mind still being on Eclair or Froyo right now. I don't know about you, but I think ICS is light years ahead of both of those OS's.
Hardware obsolescence will eventually halt fragmentation on its own. Most consumers roll over their device at the end of a contract anyway, that's just 2 years or 3 in some markets. Anyone that holds on to a phone for over three years either doesn't care about bleeding edge updates, they're happy with an old device anyway, or they've extended their device's life via custom roms. In other words, If it is January 2013 and you're still on Eclair then a) you probably don't know what 'Eclair's is and b) you're not losing any sleep over being excluded from updates.
I don't see a huge problem with the android market being 'fragmented' over 2-3 versions. It's all just optics: Android haters trumpet the fragmented platform while advocates brush it off. It shouldn't halt or slow down progress, and if it does then Google risks stagnation.
Its not that Google is going too fast, its that the other manufacturers are going too slow. 1 OS release a year shouldn't be a crazy schedule.
Am I reading this right - so you think technology advances too fast and wants it to slow down because YOU can't catch up?!
OP, please tell me that you are kidding.
Edit: I'm not flaming but simply shocked by the logic and argument.
Yes please get back to work already, sorry but I don't agree with your opinion, blame the carrier's and manufacturers as well.
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Google has been releasing yearly OS updates for a while now. Why the concern all of a sudden? Also, probably not worth getting worked up over unreliable rumors.
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The problem with these "hard and fast" Android updates is that is accelerates device obsolescence. Of the hundreds of Android handsets out there, only a dozen or two actually get these new OS'.
This isn't a problem you see in iOS devices, but it's certainly an issue with android.
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The problem with these "hard and fast" Android updates is that is accelerates device obsolescence.
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Obsolescence? So which Gingerbread device can't make calls/text/access the market/use apps after ICS is released?
Just because some other devices do things faster/different doesn't make your device obsolete. And please, look up the word 'obsolete' first before tossing it around.
I think I partially understand and agree with OP's point.
It is not the yearly update that causes concerns, but it is the rate that creates so much hardware junk that counts.
For example, Apple's 3GS still can use recent iOS, at least it is upgradable, though you wont enjoy the speed or new features etc, but you still can use your old hardware with new iOS.
For Android, one year later you phone/tablet may already be "NOT ABLE TO UPGRADE TO NEW OS" , ICS, in this case.
Too many Device Spamming there. I think it is not Google's issue, it is , somewhat the Manufacturer's issue.
Because Nexus S still able to upgrade to ICS, Nexus One , sorts of (please correct me if I am wrong!)
But thanks to million android phone manufacturers, they locked down the system and make it proprietary in certain sense. and not upgradable to future OS because they don't know their current "Feature" will or will not be shoot down by Google's future updates.
Im actually coming from the Atrix which had an announcement from Motorola that ICS release would be sometime Q3 but that would depends if there is a delay or not. I decided to put myself into a contract and decided to get the Gnex since it had the latest offering of ICS. The Atrix ICS is still running on beta.
I agree that yearly updates will improve the user experience/fixes but then again we are but a small community here on XDA that are keen into rom/mod our phones. That is even if we have Devs willing to give time and effort in regards to leak updates. If ever we dont then we are sol. Im just thinking more about the general public who has no idea or would careless bout having a modified rom but are just interested in receiving the updates in a timely manner. Also, wat if ur current phone will not be included for any more OS release? the easiest way would be to purchase the latest and up to date phones.
If lets say that my collegues are getting the ICS for their SGS2 this Q2/Q3. Then JB will be released Q4/Q1 2013. The Google phones will be updated by either official or leak. Also i cant find the link but there was a stat released i few weeks ago stating that there are only 1% or 2% of phones that are currently running ICS.
Its frustrating for an average user having to sit next to a person with the latest OS release and wondering when they will get theirs.
For me, since im on ICS i dont care but when i was using my Atrix i had to settle for a mediocre beta ICS. :banghead:
@jiwengang - Thank you! Im glad someone here at least partially gets my point.
...now to get back to doin some real work.
I agree with others in that it's the hardware manufactures that are the problem, not Google.
1 year OS updates are fine. We just don't need 20 damn variations of the same phone from the same manufacture within that same year. The manufactures can't support all the different hardware configurations they are spewing out in a timely manner, so it takes ages to get updates, if you get them at all.
Dang manufactures need to focus more, stop trying to one up each other every 2 weeks. And support what they release more timely.
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Am I reading this right - so you think technology advances too fast and wants it to slow down because YOU can't catch up?!
OP, please tell me that you are kidding.
Edit: I'm not flaming but simply shocked by the logic and argument.
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Not everyone has either the same knowledge or bottomless pocket that they can sport the latest and greatest phones. I still have a friend who I recently just flashed his SE X10 with GB 2.3.5. Though SE mentioned bout an ICS upgrade sometime in the future of who knows when.
Similar to the PC industry. A gamer will build a pc gamer rig with i9/FX with crossfire/sli etc...If you look at it now, the hardware has reached its peak. You can pretty much play any games these software companies throw at you. It is now the software ie: Games, trying to play catch up and entice gamers with more 'extra' dazzling features or effects to maximize ur hardwares potential. Back then, it was the other way around
If u use a console then its a different story.
Yes, it is shocking. Not everything works as smoothly as butter like ICS.
Yearly release / change of Android OS makes really senses to me.
I don't think I can wait for 2-3 years for an update / release.
that's why I got a nexus!
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You are really losing focus as to what Jellybean actually is. All it is is an updated Ice Cream Sandwich. Yes, ICS was a huge jump from Gingerbread, because of the tablet/phone unification so there were major changes with the UI. That probably won't be the case with the next update. But if you remember the jump from froyo to gingerbread that wasn't a big deal huh? Googles cute little names cause too much confusion with consumers that don't understand software updates. 4.0.1, 4.0.2, 4.0.3...just updates.
Multi touch bug ftl and slow multitasking.
Was really hoping Google would solve these problems earler
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Multi touch bug ftl and slow multitasking.
Was really hoping Google would solve these problems earler
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Multi touch bug is a complete killer. Really can't wait for 4.0.4 AOSP hopefully soon
The news is that not everyone is on 4.0.2 yet. If you can't wait then grab a custom rom, otherwise a whole lot of patience may be necessary.
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The news is that not everyone is on 4.0.2 yet. If you can't wait then grab a custom rom, otherwise a whole lot of patience may be necessary.
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Totally true.
Google is not really considering Galaxy Nexus a Nexus device it seems. Some other systems have gotten newer version of Android already.
At least my Galaxy Nexus runs bloatware-free official Android, even if the build is totally outdated by now. The only real benefit of having a Galaxy Nexus it seems.
Well, I actually don't think it is all that bad. The oldest ISC version out there is still only around 3 months old and better than 99% of Android's entire installation base.
The fact that a few manufacturers jumped on AOSP so soon is great and I'm happy for those users. I don't see the need to be 'first' and it doesn't sour my experience any. Google obviously thought the GN would re-fork with 4.0.3 by now but sometimes bugs get in the way of developer's best intentions.
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Well, I actually don't think it is all that bad. The oldest ISC version out there is still only around 3 months old and better than 99% of Android's entire installation base.
The fact that a few manufacturers jumped on AOSP so soon is great and I'm happy for those users. I don't see the need to be 'first' and it doesn't sour my experience any. Google obviously thought the GN would re-fork with 4.0.3 by now but sometimes bugs get in the way of developer's best intentions.
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Well yeah, but the things that annoy me are the bugs that are present in 4.0.2 and have been fixed in 4.0.4. And not only that, but also the API features of 4.0.3+ that was supposed to be the 'base' version of Android 4.0.
I don't mind how long major releases would take, but this is a small incremental update. I am just surprised that it takes so long to serve it to 'Google phone'.
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Totally true.
Google is not really considering Galaxy Nexus a Nexus device it seems. Some other systems have gotten newer version of Android already.
At least my Galaxy Nexus runs bloatware-free official Android, even if the build is totally outdated by now. The only real benefit of having a Galaxy Nexus it seems.
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Newer versions such as what? The latest aosp is 4.0.3 and not 4.0.4. It's quite obvious that 4.0.4 is not ready.
The Galaxy nexus is a Google supported device and is a nexus.
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Well, if you look from it from the other side. Google might actually spare us from the still-bugged 4.0.3 version wich is AOSP. Also, JBQ already confirmed that the 4.0.4 version contained a "nasty bug" and wasn't ready for release.
If you look at it that way, new devices with 4.0.3 is still bugged in a way. And Google wants to keep those versions away from their current Nexus.
Just my way of being patient
Oddly enough, some of the tablets shown at MWC (on 4.0.3) had multi touch issues. This brings in a whole new strand of questions...
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In regards to the latest os .... can anyone tell me what phone has ics update already???? And I've said phone ohh and it has to be released now announced
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Multi touch bug ftl and slow multitasking.
Was really hoping Google would solve these problems earler
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I was really hoping people would stop *****ing about OTAs.
Sorry, but you all sound like a bunch of whiney kids. You'll never be satisfied because the OTAs will never be quick enough to satisfy people. Google is not going to give you nightly builds of ICS. So just calm down and wait for it to be finished and pushed out.
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I was really hoping people would stop *****ing about OTAs.
Sorry, but you all sound like a bunch of whiney kids. You'll never be satisfied because the OTAs will never be quick enough to satisfy people. Google is not going to give you nightly builds of ICS. So just calm down and wait for it to be finished and pushed out.
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You just love calling everyone whiney kids don't you?
People are pissed because we have a Nexus that for the first time, is NOT leading the way in terms of OS version. We are pissed because of the overwhelming silence from Google.
It would take them 15 minutes to post a blog on where things are at.
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You just love calling everyone whiney kids don't you?
People are pissed because we have a Nexus that for the first time, is NOT leading the way in terms of OS version.
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Yes I do. And people deserve to be given some perspective.
What do you mean? ~1% of Android devices have ICS. How is that not leading the way in terms of OS version when we're the only phone with it? Nothing has a higher OS (and don't say "omg the NS has 4.0.3!"). The Galaxy Nexus launched Android 4.
Why are you crying about not having 4.0.3/4.0.4 over 4.0.2. If its not ready, its not ready. That's why we don't have it officially yet. For all you know Google is holding off till 4.0.5, 4.0.6, or 4.1... no one knows.
Like your phone for what it is. You're like a dog chasing his tail when you get something great and always look for the next best thing. You'll spend your entire time with the device wanting more, and you'll never enjoy what you have.
Like I said in the other thread: OTA's will never come fast enough for people. If Google started pushing one every month (regardless of how what it did or didn't include/fix), it still wouldn't be fast enough because people would prefer it was 3 weeks instead, then 2 weeks, then 1 week, then nightlies. And guess what? Google isn't going to do nightly OTAs of ICS (not even close!). If you want nightlies, go build a ROM from CM source and change things for yourself. Or better yet, build straight from AOSP source and fix the bugs yourself. Make a thread for it and let people ***** at you for not fixing them faster.
maybe this is why apple is having better success in the mobile world then google and all the others.
while all i have is an old ipod touch from apple, and have GN and ACER tablet, the fact is that google ANNOUNCED 4.0.3 as THE LASTEST STABLE release, however, even on the official supported hardware i still have 4.0.2
this is why i personally compare android to the old windows mobile system.
on the old windows mobile system, if you wanted to upgrade to the latest, you had to hack the device and upgrade yourself, and even then not all devices could be upgraded to all OSs. when i talk to people about android, i still find mayself telling them that even on the official hardware you need to hack the device to get the official upgrade.
if google and all the open source will learn a little from old mistake they will build a better test environments and stop calling any buggy version an official release, or make sure that all devices be able to get the latest version when it is announced (ipod/iphone 3rd gen can still be updated to ios5 even if it can barely work with it) .
the simple fact is, the android is repeating all of the mistakes that even microsoft with WP7 have learned, and am not showing even the slightest inclinations to make a change to this inadequate system of multiversioning....
PCHelper said:
maybe this is why apple is having better success in the mobile world then google and all the others.
while all i have is an old ipod touch from apple, and have GN and ACER tablet, the fact is that google ANNOUNCED 4.0.3 as THE LASTEST STABLE release, however, even on the official supported hardware i still have 4.0.2
this is why i personally compare android to the old windows mobile system.
on the old windows mobile system, if you wanted to upgrade to the latest, you had to hack the device and upgrade yourself, and even then not all devices could be upgraded to all OSs. when i talk to people about android, i still find mayself telling them that even on the official hardware you need to hack the device to get the official upgrade.
if google and all the open source will learn a little from old mistake they will build a better test environments and stop calling any buggy version an official release, or make sure that all devices be able to get the latest version when it is announced (ipod/iphone 3rd gen can still be updated to ios5 even if it can barely work with it) .
the simple fact is, the android is repeating all of the mistakes that even microsoft with WP7 have learned, and am not showing even the slightest inclinations to make a change to this inadequate system of multiversioning....
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I'll tend to agree with most of what you said.... Apple has this down to a T with releasing OS versions. Everyone with the previous 2 versions of the hardware is completely guaranteed to get the update the day that it comes out. Models 3 years ago may or may not get a full update, but they'll at least get a partial update (with some features pulled). You know what you're getting and you know when you're getting it. You'll never be in limbo. When Apple announces a new iOS version, they explicitly say which models will get it. The consistency is good.
WP7 is a bit better analogy of what Android has to strive for IMO. Android covers tons of carriers, devices, etc. but still needs to be able to handle pushing OTAs to everyone in a timely matter. This is a huge logistical hurdle for MS (or Google) to try jump. MS is handling it by putting very strict guidelines on what hardware can be used and what you can/can't do to the software (which is pretty much nothing). This makes the OTA process a 1000 times easier for MS to implement. What it leads to is basically knowing that the OTA update will work on all of these different devices because they're about 90% identical in hardware, and 99% identical in software. The only hurdle for them is pretty much getting carriers to accept the terms of pushing the OTA.
While Google could implement a system like this, it'd be at least a year out. Because in order for this MS-style system to work, Android would have to have specific hardware and software guidelines. The problem being that Android is open source and free, and manufacturers can really do whatever they want. They only have to follow some very relaxed "guidelines" to get GAPPS. Even if Google wanted to push OTAs to all of these phones in their current state they couldn't. Google doesn't hold the code from Samsung, HTC, LG, Huawei, and others because they're each doing it in house. There is no unifying OTA that can be pushed. Ultimately Google has no say in what happens after they certify it for GAPPS support. At that point, its between the manufacturers and carriers what is going to happen.
Google needs to start hitting manufacturers where they can, with GAPPS. Its the only closed-source part of Android and its a really really important one. They need to start forcing UI guidelines and skinning policies that let OTAs flow smoother. On the carrier side, they need to start pushing carriers to allow manufacturers to push them when its ready. Google can only do so much to carriers though. At that point they can threaten, but again its not up to Google what happens with those devices once the licenses go out. Its not a Google sale to the carrier, its a manufacturer sale. Until every phone Google sells is a Nexus, they won't be able to tell carriers what to do. Although the market share is huge for Android, it doesn't have the same unified push to bully carriers like Apple has.
....but I've got a couple other points as well on your post. You're making it sound like the Galaxy Nexus is running 4.0.2, and the rest of devices are running/being sold with 4.0.3 (the "stable" build). This is not the case. Whether its running the most "stable" build or not, the GNex is the most up to date of all Android phones out there right now. And we'll be getting stock 4.0.3 before anyone, and all of those phones being sold from this point w/ 4.0.3 will have skins attached as well.
martonikaj said:
the GNex is the most up to date of all Android phones out there right now. And we'll be getting stock 4.0.3 before anyone
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Why doesn't the Nexus S factor into your argument?
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Why doesn't the Nexus S factor into your argument?
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First off, the Nexus S update has yet to be pushed to everyone. Its still halted because of bugs (and the NS4G doesn't have it officially, either). Second, simply because it's 4.0.3 doesn't mean that it's "better" than 4.0.2 on the Galaxy Nexus. For all intents and purposes, it's the same update... look at the NS4G and NS on Gingerbread. One was on 2.3.5, the other on 2.3.7... doesn't mean one was better than the other, but simply the NS4G needed specific build # because its a different device.
If you're splitting hairs of 4.0.3 vs. 4.0.2 to try and win this argument, it's not going to work.
now here is where we can start the argument... 4.0.3 is better then 4.0.2 if only due to the codex hardware fix.
But that is not the question. The issue is it was officially released as latest stable, however only after official release somehow all of a sudden the official Google phones are full of bugs and it is not good for them. If it is not developed and tested on the official hardware, then why put the official stamp on everything? Where is Google QA? Why buy Google official devices if we cannot even get the minimum we expect from the name? Pay attention, I am not talking about vendor devices, only on official stamped device/software....
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Scottatron said:
You just love calling everyone whiney kids don't you?
People are pissed because we have a Nexus that for the first time, is NOT leading the way in terms of OS version. We are pissed because of the overwhelming silence from Google.
It would take them 15 minutes to post a blog on where things are at.
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Couldn't have put it better myself. Google really needs to pull its **** together and give us some of that 4.0.4 goodness!
Thank god for unlockable bootloaders and XDA devs, huh. Oh, wait......
From my point of view (and mine only) I knew the nexus would have an unlockable boot loader, I knew there would be a root exploit before I even brought the device and I knew the devs here would provide better then Google themselves, that's why I personally, brought the phone. Fortunately you didn't choose HTC. The delays are longer and the devices more secure. What I'm trying to say is, make the most the the nexus and this community and get a custom ROM or makesure you choose devices in the future for the right reasons. Let's face it, very few of us brought it for the specs....
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