Hey all,
Rumour is that handsets with 2.3.3+ will eventually go to ICS.
Do you think this will include Defy+ ?
Kind regards
Only one Word: Motorola
It is very likely but it will b a long time before that happens
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Well yes, the main issue could be *Motorola*
Even the new RAZR is looking at Q1 2012 for ICS.
Well right now the Defy i have now with Walter's Defy+ stock rom will have to suffice
It is a possibility unless there is a Defy++ in the making.
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does it really matter whether there will be an official or not? the cyanogen team will start working on cm9 (ics) as soon as the source is available, which will probably happen in a few weeks. and since the defy is officially supported (and all devices capable of running gb will be able to run ics), we will get official cm9. the question is, with which kernel, because as long as the bootloader is locked, we will have to stick to froyo kernel. no idea how that effects things... :/
sent from my cm7.1 defy...
Motorola RAZR will be the
first phone to incorporate Motorola’s
new bootloader solution. http://ausdroid.net/2011/10/21/motorola-razr-to-be-unlockable/
"Motorola. said they
were working on a bootloader solution that would allow
the unlocking and re-locking of the bootloaders on their
phones later this year. "
So there's still hope for defy/+'s bootloader .
Well, unlocking the Bootloader.
But I think the Defy won't have ICS, due to the old kernel.
just thinking.
As far as trusting Motorola for updates, I wouldn't start getting my hopes up. You'll notice the original Defy is still at 2.2 and the Defy+ hasn't got any updates at all.
Our only hope is CyanogenMod and the likes, and the Defy isn't on the high-priority list of any of them. By the time, and if, it comes out at all, we'd all probably have fancy new phones anyways.
Defy original came with 2.1 and got one upgrade to 2.2. It is logical that defy+ get one upgrade too...
ICS will work with froyo kernel 99% sure. Difference between froyo and ginger kernel is security fixes, no major updates, new kernel 3.0.1 is the high-end Linux, if Motorola unlocked boot-loaders it's a big plus about using last kernel innovations.
i hope motorola releases the official gingerbread for our defy because isn't acceptable that we are at froyo yet
^ Motorola confirm that 2.2 is latest update for Defy and Kernel of Defy+ is the same as Froyo 2.6.32, update is not needed. Google was make equip for updating all phones (when is possible) to run 4.0, but was a fake, maybe ?!
we're waiting cyanogenmod team
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Yes, I understand the Official Froyo maybe more stable since it's more updated and complete than the leaked Froyo in custom ROM. But really is it worth the upgrade?? What I mean, when you upgrade to official froyo you will loose your root, and possibly a new updated radio that would maybe need "Paul" time to hack again. Without the root, it may not be possible to change to different ROM. I am pretty sure, once those official FROYO is out...there would be lots of different custom ROM MOD based on Official FROYO available?? Also looking at my past experience with HTC, once this official 2.2 update is available, they wont update very often anymore. It maybe better to stay with custom ROM since those cooks tend to get newer system kernel somewhere. I guess for me, even if the update is out, I will just wait out till someone make new custom ROM based on this official FROYO? cheer...that's just my opinion.
^^^what he said^^^^ +1
Most, if not all people will be waiting for a rooted version. I'll be amazed if people unroot just to get it, when it'll be modded in no time. The test release by udk is a prime example.
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kuailan said:
Yes, I understand the Official Froyo maybe more stable since it's more updated and complete than the leaked Froyo in custom ROM. But really is it worth the upgrade?? What I mean, when you upgrade to official froyo you will loose your root, and possibly a new updated radio that would maybe need "Paul" time to hack again. Without the root, it may not be possible to change to different ROM. I am pretty sure, once those official FROYO is out...there would be lots of different custom ROM MOD based on Official FROYO available?? Also looking at my past experience with HTC, once this official 2.2 update is available, they wont update very often anymore. It maybe better to stay with custom ROM since those cooks tend to get newer system kernel somewhere. I guess for me, even if the update is out, I will just wait out till someone make new custom ROM based on this official FROYO? cheer...that's just my opinion.
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Agree with the original poster's sentiments. Also worth considering that this could very easily be the last major update for HTC to roll out to the Desire. There's already a newer generation of devices out and HTC have no incentive to keep us at the leading edge. I got a clear taste of this with my previous HTC Magic - dropped by Vodafone like an unwanted toy once they started selling newer devices. Thankfully it was completely unlocked and I could flash all the custom ROMs on that which I liked but since it was a 32B if I had gone official and somehow ended up there I'd have been left behind at 1.6.
I "upgraded" from Hero (which I liked pretty much) to Desire about a month ago, and it's still unrooted. I rooted and installed a custom ROM to my Hero (a couple of weeks before the official 2.1 came out) and I was far from impressed. It became slow and laggy, the available RAM was way below than on the original 1.5 etc. I assume that I should've try other ROMs as well but at a certain point I just got tired so I switched to Desire. I love the way it is. It's fast, responsive and I enjoy all the possibilities of the hardware. I can even impress my iPhone friends with a little smile on my face.
The guy I sold my Hero just updated to the official OTA 2.1 a couple of days ago. Guess what? It's flying! I wouldn't believe it if I couldn't see with my own eyes.
I love what you guys do here. I really do. I'm amazed and impressed with all the work and effort you put in these custom ROMs. I'm reading all the interesting threads, tips, tricks etc. It's good to have a place like this board. It's good to have full control over our handsets, install software others can't. But I kinda like the way HTC puts together and tests its ROMs even if it's bloated with stuff I'll never use. I'll check for updates every hour this weekend Cos I'm eager to try all the new features. Maybe later I'll switch to a custom ROM which is based on the official, but for now I'm focusing on the "Check now" button
even though it hurts to say so.. but I agree
kuailan said:
Yes, I understand the Official Froyo maybe more stable since it's more updated and complete than the leaked Froyo in custom ROM. But really is it worth the upgrade?? What I mean, when you upgrade to official froyo you will loose your root, and possibly a new updated radio that would maybe need "Paul" time to hack again. Without the root, it may not be possible to change to different ROM. I am pretty sure, once those official FROYO is out...there would be lots of different custom ROM MOD based on Official FROYO available?? Also looking at my past experience with HTC, once this official 2.2 update is available, they wont update very often anymore. It maybe better to stay with custom ROM since those cooks tend to get newer system kernel somewhere. I guess for me, even if the update is out, I will just wait out till someone make new custom ROM based on this official FROYO? cheer...that's just my opinion.
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Why would it not possible to root back after unrooting? Since rooting is now riskfree...
What I would like is a standard final realease, rooted and A2SD+'ed, thats it, no other mod`s.
as long as froyo doesn't modify the hboot to a new version, you can always rollback and unroot.
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Why would it not possible to root back after unrooting? Since rooting is now riskfree...
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Because the leaked froyo came with a new HBOOT (which was removed by devs here) which at the moment is unrootable. And may be unrootable forever!
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coercri said:
What I would like is a standard final realease, rooted and A2SD+'ed, thats it, no other mod`s.
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Me too
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coercri said:
What I would like is a standard final realease, rooted and A2SD+'ed, thats it, no other mod`s.
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Agreed, I finally took the plunge to root and A2SD, the latter of which is amazing Is it really too much to ask for, just to install apps on the SD?
I will wait for Froyo Official-based custom ROMS!
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Me too
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That would be perfect..! And wake phone with the select button.
I was near to unroot and and go back to the normal rom. But now not anymore after what u guys said. Thx.
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So if someone buy a HTC desire after the update he may not be able to get root ever. Lucky us!
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I highly doubt no one is ever going to be able to root if they officially upgrade to 2.2. It will happen, it might just take a while that's all for Paul and co. to do it..
I think that all of you that says that the new Hboot could not be hacked, underestimate many very very skilled peoples knowledge. Just because it isn't cracked now, it not equal to *incrackable*.
I am very certain that it will be cracked or something else and then root access can be achieved again.
http://mygadgetnews.com/2011/01/11/meego-and-ubuntu-ported-to-nexus-s/
this made running ubuntu and meego on a nexus.
can this method be used to install android 2.3 on a phone running android 2.1,
especilly in the case when upgrading is difficult because of kernel and locked bootloader (like motorola devices) ? excuse me if it is a silly question, i'm not a coder.
The Nexus S is a completely different phone built by a coompletely different manufacturer.
So what can be do to/with it has no bearing on what it's possible to do to/with the Defy.
Motorola encrypt their bootloaders, meaning it's basically impossible to produce a Gingerbread ROM for the Defy until an official one is released/leaks.
hi guys,
i am planning to buy a motorla defy, and i have some background on rooting and installing custom roms with my current samsung spica on cm6.1. but with the locked bootloader and stuff, it seems the method for modding and installing custom roms for the defy is not as straight forward (rooting should be easy). i have read through the wikis and guides and mostly understand everything, but i have questions that i want to ask still. i am about 90% sure about everything i read but i just want confirmation
1) clockwork recovery is the only custom recovery available for the defy? also it's not the official clockwork recovery right? so i can't install the app from the market?
2) does the locked bootloader mean we can't change the kernel? we can install custom roms through nandriod backup but we still have to stick to stock kernels?
3) is there an official froyo stock rom already out? or are they just froyo leaks? also, are all the froyo custom roms based on stock froyo base?
4) what does vsel mean? i know its an important setting for overclocking/underclocking the defy
5) what does sbf mean? is it similar to radio?
6) rdslite is like ruu (flashing software/tool) that comes with the defy?
thanks in advance. i'm really looking forward to this phone given the specs and the price. i just want to know how easy it is to mod it
Hello I have a Defy already and I played with the tools you say so I can try answering some of your questions. Please note that I am no expert and I might not be correct on all.
Q. clockwork recovery is the only custom recovery available for the defy? also it's not the official clockwork recovery right? so i can't install the app from the market?
A. An app very similar to ClockWork recovery exists for defy. It is till now the only one I know. I'm not sure it's on market however is available in this forum. Note that this app can not replace stock recovery.
Q. does the locked bootloader mean we can't change the kernel? we can install custom roms through nandriod backup but we still have to stick to stock kernels?
A. I think you are right. We are limited to stock kernels.
Q. is there an official froyo stock rom already out? or are they just froyo leaks? also, are all the froyo custom roms based on stock froyo base?
A. The only official froyo I know it is the china version. However the recently leaks of some development stage froyos for US TMobile and UK are pretty stable and ok. There are custom Roms (Nandroid backups in fact) based on these leaks but not only. There are older custom roms based on official Eclair releases.
Q. what does vsel mean? i know its an important setting for overclocking/underclocking the defy
A. VSel comes from Voltage Select. There are ways (even an app) to set the voltage for the processor when it is in any of the states (300 / 600 / 800 MHz by default).
Q. what does sbf mean? is it similar to radio?
A. Have no ideea what sbf stands for but it's a format for things that can be flashed via RSDLite. I have a feeling that RUU updates from motorola are in fact an exe + a sbf file. There are lots lots of things available as sbf files: Full firmwares, Bootloaders, some fixes.
Q. rdslite is like ruu (flashing software/tool) that comes with the defy?
A. I think so. I think RSD Lite is a tool made available by motorola for the developers and stuff.
I recommend this phone. I came to this one from HTC Legend that had all the thingies unlocked (S-Off etc) but I do not miss them. Indeed without a custom bootloade chances to see Cyanogen Mod or others are indeed low. I hope I was able to help a little.
thanks a lot mcm_xyz, you confirmed a lot of stuff for me. from just what i read it looks like defy would be the perfect phone if not for the locked bootloader... can you list what is possible and impossible with the locked bootloader? does it mean we have to wait for official support/release either from motorola or cyanogen or other devs to get a hold of different types of roms?
terenceleechan said:
thanks a lot mcm_xyz, you confirmed a lot of stuff for me. from just what i read it looks like defy would be the perfect phone if not for the locked bootloader... can you list what is possible and impossible with the locked bootloader? does it mean we have to wait for official support/release either from motorola or cyanogen or other devs to get a hold of different types of roms?
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I think this is how it's done by the majority of the cooks nowadays. They get an existing working rom and they build aroud the existing kernel in there. However I think Cyanogen is way higher and they build everything themselves. I think they have a core and different branches for different types of phones that include mainly hardware specifics of the phone. But they are based on their custom kernel so no Cyanogen for us at least yet. but do not worry. steps are beeing done towards an unlocked bootloader on Motorola phones.
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I think this is how it's done by the majority of the cooks nowadays. They get an existing working rom and they build aroud the existing kernel in there. However I think Cyanogen is way higher and they build everything themselves. I think they have a core and different branches for different types of phones that include mainly hardware specifics of the phone. But they are based on their custom kernel so no Cyanogen for us at least yet. but do not worry. steps are beeing done towards an unlocked bootloader on Motorola phones.
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thanks for your input dude!
i want to ask a simple question to all.
has d defy been updated to 2.2 officially?
arpitkohli said:
i want to ask a simple question to all.
has d defy been updated to 2.2 officially?
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Not yet, they announce this month.
darktyroll said:
Not yet, they announce this month.
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will it be updated or not?
http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/03/29/htc-desire-hd-to-get-android-2-3-gingerbread-in-april-motorola-defy-will-get-froyo-the-same-month/
You be the judge.
I doubt we will get it anytime soon, will be the last day of Q2 me thinks!
late April : )
arpitkohli said:
i want to ask a simple question to all.
has d defy been updated to 2.2 officially?
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Not sure where you're located but according to Moto forums https://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/47028 the Defy in the US has received a limited release for testing which means the official release wont be to far away. Probably like the other posts said, end of April.
The Brazilian Defy branded by Claro has Android 2.2.1.
dedraks said:
The Brazilian Defy branded by Claro has Android 2.2.1.
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Do you know the version of the brazilian's debranded Defy?
http://twitpic.com/4far9m
this is a nandroid backup of the claro froyo
http://www.4shared.com/get/EAYFdOL4/defy-froyo-2-2-1-claro.html
My error!
I meant, the retail version!
Telus Canada is now selling defy with 2.2
I would like the clean SBF of my telus rom, but i dont see it on their site.
The version of Defy selling in China has Android 2.2.1. Now it has upgraded to Android 2.2.2 through net
US T-Mobile DEFY w/ FROYO 2.2.1 Factory Original
I have a new DEFY that is US T-Mobile Branded running 2.2.1 from the factory. How can I help? See pictures below!
Coming soon
...so China has 2.2 for quiet a while now and Korea got Froyo to. My guess: next the Staates will get Froyo and then its Europes turn
It seems that MOTO is rolling out the update but in batches. Any info on when is Froyo going to be released in India?
So any one with official 2.2 what's the phone like now any better ? is it faster, smoother, bug free (as they have been working with the rom for over a year now)?
I know 1 thing i was looking forward to was a black status bar but its still white oh well
also what pisses me of is that most devices will be upgraded to 2.3 including the droidx witch was out before the defy.
This is the last time i buy Motorola there crap with updates.
I just gave up waiting and flashed a custom ROM. It was the best thing I did! The xd1 ROM is many times faster than the Motorola's. Highly recommended!
See the post here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1020587
If the instructions aren't very clear, try reading this post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=943258, it helps a lot!
So we just got the Atrix unlocked, and i dont own a defy, but i think the method could work for you guys as well.
Im gonna need a few things from you guys to check servers, and once i figure out whats up i will be handing out more perfect instructions.
I would like to give credit to navalynt for creating the files use to search the test -clouds for updates.
Anyways. all i need to begin with is a build.prop from your current most up to date stock build.
i will come back in a few hours and check the thread.
also if you guys have a good irc i could use to comunicate with devs i apreciate it.
EDIT: i would like to add that im not promising anything, nor am i asking for donations or devices. i just want everyone to have an unlock.
im using a cm7 nighly build, dunno if that can help, a motorola's froyo version should be better, or not?
keep going the good work!
n i recommend u to contact quarx: http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=513620
and/or Epsylon: http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=803131
who maintains the CM7 ports to defy
Hmm..I heard that someone told that atrix's methord wont work on defy........may be it would be wrong......
Would the leaked GBs help ?
chhanga said:
Would the leaked GBs help ?
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they could, if you could point me to them that be great
also i need to know whats the latest "OFFICIAL" build is, and get a build.prop for it.
many people doubt there is an unlock, but we can really only know if we look for it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wik...fy#Android_2.3.4_.28Gingerbread.29_Stock_ROMs
Here are all the links to the different SBF's allso Stock Roms. Do not know if you mean this or need something else.
do you ned build.prop final (Froyo 2.2) or from Beta (Gingerbread 2.3) release?
The Atrix uses a different bootloader, so the method of unlocking that will indeed not work on the Defy.
I need a build.prop for froyo.
No one said we are going to apply the ATRIX bl. Im gonna search for a defy build.
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samcripp said:
I need a build.prop for froyo.
No one said we are going to apply the ATRIX bl. Im gonna search for a defy build.
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This is the froyo build.prop from the latest 3.4.2-117 UK ROM i pulled it out of a nandroid of this official ROM.
Hope it helps.
P.S. Rename to build.prop
Dunno if it helps, but, the defy loader is X-loader: https://gitorious.org/x-load-omap3/mainline/trees/master
The latest official Froyo would be the SEA15 3.4.3-36-1.7 ? Released date 6 July 2011
here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1093352
however I don't have build.prop of it cause I am using CM7
build 3.4.2-117. uk=2.2.1
Build prop from user gommers1978on first page is from 2.2.2 ver(3.4.2-177)
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Links to ginger threads
2.3.4
4 .5 .1 -134 Orange GB Blur Thread forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1127085
4 .5 .1 -128 Orange GB Blur Thread forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1116522
Android 2.3. 3
4 .5 .1 -112 Orange GB Blur Thread forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1106375
4 .5 .1 -85 Orange GB Blur Thread forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1081957
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any news ? it will be great if we can unlock the bootloader
I think it will be difficult, but I hope and I cheer to you!
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The latest froyo version is 3.4.2-179-2, whose kernel ( 179 ) is also used in CyanogenMod.
BTW, i've attached the relative build.prop file.
UPDATE!
i have not forgot about the DEFY. sorry ive just a bit confuse by the sbf you guys have available and the information on your system.
but i assure you once i figure out a solution for mounting the build.prop safely into my atrix i will begin testing servers.
if anyone would like to get started on doing this themselfs. you need to be on whatever is, the OFFICIAL (not leaked not made up like cm7) build for the defy.
the link is here! use the instructions loosely as of course you are using a different phone. if i had device it be easier for me to search. im working on saving money to buy one.
further this is the original project cheesecake thread that found the unlock for international users. i recommend you take a read and see how they use the difference techniques for searching.
credit goes to navalynt for the search method
I would try, but a the moment i'm on cyanogen.
Maybe when i'll have some time...
Has anyone tried if this method works?
mmmmm,project cheesecake,that sounds delicious....
I would like to try this too but i am not really sure where and what i have to do beacuse all given links are for Atrix.