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anybody considering wp7?

wp7 will be hitting sprint shortly and i wonder how many evo users are considering jumping back to the dark side?
myself i won't even consider touching the platform until i can theme and customize it to my liking. maybe even be able to run android on it. plus remove that ugly UI.

I am I love that interface IMO from MCE to the zune HD but android will probably get ported to it so that would rock too. I just want something to work with a zune pass and better media options and sync.
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Played with one yesterday and it was pretty awesome. I played with the wp7 phone that had the slide out speaker. The biuld quality is much better than the evo and the phone was heavy as hell.
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I won't let myself talk myself into considering wm again. I stuck with wm since the 8125 up until the evo came out. I loved my tilt 2 and of course it looks like the new tilt is wm again. Although I like that form factor, I won't be jumping ship again. Especially with evo shift coming sometime, even though we really don't know much about t yet.
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I just cant get over how ugly it is.

i used one last night at work i have to say for being version 1 of the OS its smooth and very well done

Mactagonist said:
I just cant get over how ugly it is.
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That's what I thought too until I played with it. The device is really snappy and the transition from landscape to portrait was instantaneous. That was a major problem in WM devices of the past. The phone that I played with was the HTC Surround and it felt really solid. The device was heavy (I would say twice the weight of the Evo) but it felt really good. I have a preference for heavy phones so it wasn't a big deal to me. I think I may jump ship if a comparable device comes to Sprint.
I think from the app store standpoint you would see many cool apps with WP7. I also liked WM because anything you can do on a PC you could pretty much do on WM.

i would def consider it, I played with a HD7 and once a few updates come out it will be a powerhouse

Personally, I like the UI and the devices. Presumably the device that's coming to Sprint would be the 7 Pro, which looks like the touch Pro 2 I used to have, with updated styling and hardware. And I'd love to get native support for office docs back. So far I've tried a couple android apps for viewing and editing excel and word docs and they've all sucked. On top of that, I'm still missing my TP2's physical keyboard - swype's nice, but I'm nowhere near as fast with it as I was on the TP2. I guess even though I'm on android now, I spent enough time with WM that I'm still a bit of a WM apologist (and there ARE bright spots to WM - it's just that they're all outshadowed by all the development on the competing OS's out there).
But I don't think I'll be tempted - the lack of flexibility is a deal breaker for me. No sideloading, no installing non-market apps, no removable / hot swappable storage = unacceptable for my purposes
On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if I sell a lot of them to my customers once they come out. Right now all I've got for WM is the HTC TP2 and the Snap. we've got updated BB's and androids left and right, but there's a gaping hole in the WM lineup. And it looks like the locked-down approach that WM7 has taken should appeal to business use - the end users get a fancier handset that can do more fun stuff, but it's locked down enough that the IT guy doesn't have to worry about them screwing everything up.
I hope for MS's sake that it's not too late - in the last 6 months I've seen a ton of users move from WM and BB (mostly BB) to android. It seems the end users have wanted fancier phones for a while, and the IT directors are getting comfortable enough with android that a lot of businesses are changing their policy to allow for androids. and the lines I lose to the iPhone are predominantly WM and BB devices - we don't lose many EVO's and Epic's to the iPhone. WM and BB are really losing quite a bit of momentum.

F**K WP7, F**K iOS, and F**K BlackBerry. I love Android, I love my EVO, I love HTC, and I love Google. Enough said for my answer
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Wow. Got some dedicated people here. LOL. Anyway, WP7 look interesting, but I'm not jumping on it in its current "beta" form, if at all. For those who are completely loyal to an OS, I hope you're getting paid by, or at the very least own stock in Google or whoever owns your current OS. I'll never understand the mentality of a fanboy. I've been using Android for about a year, and I've yet to receive any money from Google. Seriously though, the only loyalty I have tying me down is the money I've invested in Android apps. I use Android because it's what I like best and what works best for me at this time. IOS worked for me for a while, but I got tired of the cat and mouse game with jailbreaking and Apple's whole philosophy in general. Who knows though? Maybe if WP7 really steps it up in the next 6 months or so, I'll consider a switch.

I'll be sticking with android. I'm hooked.

I'm a huge fan of Android, its the only OS that I never had a huge problem with. All if my recent phones have been Android powered. And I never really had a problem with HTC phones so I stick with them if I can. I wish I got paid by them or owned stock, but I have no problem representing what I like
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I like the look of WP7 wayyyy better than Android. Android is just... ugly. I've tried many themes, Sense, stock, etc. And none of it looks right.
Then again, Android is a much better OS than WP7. Especially because it is more open.

I had an HD7 for 2 weeks. I had switched from an iphone 3gs. The first day I loved the clean UI. It looked great and exchange email is the best of all 3 platforms (no shock here). But then things went downhill. The HD7 had deplorable reception, often losing the network indicator. The phone was poorly built, with the bezel on the right side coming away from the body. The dedicated camera button that i so wanted was total junk and had to be pressed with the edge of your fingernail. The screen was total garbage. I have never seen pictures look this bad on a modern smartphone. The camera was also below par. Finally I bored with the simple UI and returned the phone for an Evo.
WP7 could be the everyman's UI, its that clean and simple. But if you like doing any amount of tweaking, stay far away!

Oh, believe me, I'm not saying it's bad to be a fan of anything. In fact, it's good to know what you like and want. Like I said, I'm currently an Android fan. I just don't have any allegiance to them. It's the fanboy mentality I don't get. Same crap happened (and still does) with Xbox 360 and PS3. I own both, and the only reason I usually buy Xbox versions of games is because I prefer the controller, not because of an allegiance to Microsoft. That would just be stupid.

I would love to try it. I really miss WinMo =(. The way I could sync everything flawlessly via bluetooth (especially OneNote). *Sigh* I can't justify plopping another couple hundred dollars on a phone though. Boo!
At any rate, I agree with live2ride. It's just an OS and nothing more. Personally, I like to play around with different platforms, it keeps my inner geek alive. For those saying you can't install apps that aren't on the market? As long as you control the registry, you control the phone...just my two cents.

Its ugly I'm not diggin those big sqares, and Im not ready to walk away from all the apps I payed for on Android.
I bet anything a home replacement to emulate WM7 will surface sooner or later.

derekwilkinson said:
I like the look of WP7 wayyyy better than Android. Android is just... ugly. I've tried many themes, Sense, stock, etc. And none of it looks right.
Then again, Android is a much better OS than WP7. Especially because it is more open.
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stock vanilla is ugly but after you theme it IMO it looks 10x better than winmo did. you can basically make android look whatever you want it to look like.
im half tempted to try wp7 but im not sure if i want to give up on my evo. that metro UI has got to go.

I wouldn't touch any OS product from MS. I'll stick with Android or iOS.

finally got wp7.....wow..

Wow is all I can say...I bought the focus and the UI blew me away as soon as I turned it on, I bought the focus. I have used all the mobile OS and this by far is the most sleek, easy to use, and just plain nice of all, I don't miss c&p bug I do miss multitasking in apps like last.fm, I can still send it back and get something else, but what's better then this? I'm typing this from wp7 now and man this keyboard is awesome, the level of little details they put into wp7 is crazy, gotta say I'm really impressed here, I'm sticking with this for a while to see where this goes, hopefully MS stays true to their word and keeps on supporting with updates, as for apps, I've come to realize that I don't need a million apps, I only use like 20 anyway, but it seems to be growing fast anyway. All in all super impressed with wp7,9/10 from me and if this keeps getting better, I don't see myself going back to anything else.

Yea I played with the Focus today at the AT&T(worst wireless carrier in the universe) store and I love the UI and how smooth the OS is. I'm currently on Evo 4G, but I'm considering WP7 once it comes to Sprint. I previously had the iPhone 3GS and WP7 user experience is very comparable with iOS. While I like Android the lack of GPU acceleration is a huge issue, until that's implemented the user experience will never compare to iOS and WP7. I'm holding out for the January update to see if MS adds free turn by turn navigation, better landscape support(what idiot decided that you can't input a URL in landscape mode?), flash and copy and paste.

Is there a list of wp7 problems or missing features? Cause it seems like I'm missing very little atm.

solidkevin said:
Is there a list of wp7 problems or missing features? Cause it seems like I'm missing very little atm.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=814075
first pinned thread.
though i'm happy with my phone.

Believe it Or not I am very tempted to get an n8 as well, saw it in person and wow, what excellent hardware!! And it does all those little things like mass storage etc. Anyone here have an n8?

N8, looks great. But lacks balls and has a very crappy OS. Know of two friends whom have returned them. Due to bad reception and a buggy slow OS playing up..
Go Android or if you must iPh or W7 if you want all that exchange compatibility with MS apps etc at work.
That's where it is at...
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solidkevin: The windows phone might have some small problems but that nothing compared to the N8. I only hear bad stories from people that have that phone.

KMino said:
N8, looks great. But lacks balls and has a very crappy OS. Know of two friends whom have returned them. Due to bad reception and a buggy slow OS playing up..
Go Android or if you must iPh or W7 if you want all that exchange compatibility with MS apps etc at work.
That's where it is at...
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Symbian has way better Exchange functionality than Windows Phone 7. WP7 may not be thoroughly suitable for serious business use until Q3/Q4 2011. It's not the device/OS to get if you want great Exchange support. An HD2 or Blackberry Torch would be optimal for business use (assuming you like Touchscreens, otherwise a Bold would do).
There is no comparison between WM6.5/Symbian and WP7 when it comes to Exchange support. WP7's support is actually kind of embarassing considering it comes from Microsoft, TBQH. It's better than Android at least, and maybe on par with iOS, or perhaps a little worse than Apple, even - at the moment, at least.
Yes, the N8 isn't the best device, but it works well. Nokia will be patching Symbian the same way MS will be patching WP7. If you can deal with Windows Phone 7 and its functionality gaps, etc. then I don't see why anyone can simply discount an N8 when it's not out of the realm of possibility that it too can/will benefit from updates from Nokia.
Symbian also supports the ActiveSync Protocol, more Media formats, more DRM formats (including Windows Media DRM for syncing ZunePass subscription content to the phone).
The worse thing about Symbian is the user interface and the Screen Resolution of their touchscreen phones (what an odd choice of resolution, IMO).
I'm not even gonna continue. I've gotten my point across by now, hopefully.
The Samsung Focus is available for 79 bucks on contract at the local Wal-Mart here. The 8GB storage is a showstopper, though. I'm not playing SD Roulette with a phone. 16GB is the bare minimum I can put up with. The build quality isn't all that great. The back cover pulls off like a cheap hooker's bra.
TBQH, the only WP7 device I feel is worth buying is the Dell Venue Pro. Fortunately it's on T-Mobile and I get Corporate Discounts from Dell, so I'm sort of thinking about it. It's a shame the HD7 has such terrible build quality with such a bad LCD on it... Thoroughly pissed me off...
But I'm going to wait until CES. Maybe an Android device from a decent manufacturer will come out and I will stick it out here.
Judging from what Microsoft is saying, it's gonna take them a year to really get WP7 functionality up to par and judging form my experience with this phone... I simply don't have the patience for that...
I also want to see if RIM will come out with a decent Touchscreen phone soon with a more refined/better OS on it, as well. We'll see at CES. I'm holding off all purchases until then.

Well while I AM enjoying the focus at the moment, I am waiting for CES as well, I want to see what everyone offers as far as Android and Hopefully Nokia shows what it plans to do with Symbian because if it gets a revamp, I may have to get the N8, I will have a lot of money to spend, because I sold the extra focus I had (buy one get one free ATT), so If I want something else I can sell this one as well. But yea hopefully theres some interesting things at CES, really just Android and Symbian are what interest me though.

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Well while I AM enjoying the focus at the moment, I am waiting for CES as well, I want to see what everyone offers as far as Android and Hopefully Nokia shows what it plans to do with Symbian because if it gets a revamp, I may have to get the N8, I will have a lot of money to spend, because I sold the extra focus I had (buy one get one free ATT), so If I want something else I can sell this one as well. But yea hopefully theres some interesting things at CES, really just Android and Symbian are what interest me though.
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Isn't it just Nokia now who are actively developing Symbian?

Symbian will be ditched to midend and Meego or however it's called will be used as highend platform. Known for months.
Symbian development is over for me. Nokia has a reeeaally hard time to give really competitive hardwarwe. I would forget it.
And yes, only Nokia does Symbian. All of the rest kicked it out, significant move.

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Symbian has way better Exchange functionality than Windows Phone 7. WP7 may not be thoroughly suitable for serious business use until Q3/Q4 2011. It's not the device/OS to get if you want great Exchange support. An HD2 or Blackberry Torch would be optimal for business use (assuming you like Touchscreens, otherwise a Bold would do).
There is no comparison between WM6.5/Symbian and WP7 when it comes to Exchange support. WP7's support is actually kind of embarassing considering it comes from Microsoft, TBQH. It's better than Android at least, and maybe on par with iOS, or perhaps a little worse than Apple, even - at the moment, at least.
Yes, the N8 isn't the best device, but it works well. Nokia will be patching Symbian the same way MS will be patching WP7. If you can deal with Windows Phone 7 and its functionality gaps, etc. then I don't see why anyone can simply discount an N8 when it's not out of the realm of possibility that it too can/will benefit from updates from Nokia.
Symbian also supports the ActiveSync Protocol, more Media formats, more DRM formats (including Windows Media DRM for syncing ZunePass subscription content to the phone).
The worse thing about Symbian is the user interface and the Screen Resolution of their touchscreen phones (what an odd choice of resolution, IMO).
I'm not even gonna continue. I've gotten my point across by now, hopefully.
The Samsung Focus is available for 79 bucks on contract at the local Wal-Mart here. The 8GB storage is a showstopper, though. I'm not playing SD Roulette with a phone. 16GB is the bare minimum I can put up with. The build quality isn't all that great. The back cover pulls off like a cheap hooker's bra.
TBQH, the only WP7 device I feel is worth buying is the Dell Venue Pro. Fortunately it's on T-Mobile and I get Corporate Discounts from Dell, so I'm sort of thinking about it. It's a shame the HD7 has such terrible build quality with such a bad LCD on it... Thoroughly pissed me off...
But I'm going to wait until CES. Maybe an Android device from a decent manufacturer will come out and I will stick it out here.
Judging from what Microsoft is saying, it's gonna take them a year to really get WP7 functionality up to par and judging form my experience with this phone... I simply don't have the patience for that...
I also want to see if RIM will come out with a decent Touchscreen phone soon with a more refined/better OS on it, as well. We'll see at CES. I'm holding off all purchases until then.
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Good post. You made some valid points, but I got the impression that you believe MS dropped the ball with WP7, and I don't believe that to be a true..or even fair assessment.
It is the nature of version 1.0 of just about anything to be incomplete..to be a work in progress. In regards to smart phone OS's, its always been that way. iOS v1.0 was very limited, as was Android 1.0, and so on so forth. I was an early adopter of both platforms and was at times frustrated by the limitations. But, as an early adopter I understood that this was the way it usually is, and that things would gradually flesh out.
For me, iOS never did "flesh out" enough. I've always loved the smoothness and general quality of iOS and the iPhone, but I found myself bored by it. Android did grow and develop quickly enough to keep me engaged, and I still enjoy the control I have when using Android...and also enjoy that the relatively open nature of it allows be to constantly tinker with my device. But, even though I usually enjoy doing so, the main reason I'm always tinkering with my Android devices is because I've never been satisfied with how they felt. I hate the apparently inherent choppiness and occasional lag of Android, and my main motivation for rooting my Android devices had always been to try to get rid that.
Somewhere between those 2 extremes lies WP7. Yes, in some regards it is limited. But, I can accept this for now because, as I mentioned earlier it is v1.0 and I know these limitations are being worked on as we speak. Many people are refusing to accept that, though...and it seems that you're one of them.
The gist of the argument seems to be that MS came late to the party, so they had already known what the dress code was, and shouldve showed up fully decked out. That they shouldn't have released v1.0 until it matched its contemporaries feature for feature. I disagree with this. I think MS was right in getting a v1.0 that provided the basic user experience that they were aiming for out there as soon as was possible. Did this strategy suddenly propel WP7 to the top of the smart phone world? No, not even close. But it has managed to grab just about everyone's attention...and has solidified it's position as a viable player. I believe that is all MS wanted to accomplish by rushing to release v1.0 just before the holiday season...and I also believe that it was better for them to do so than for them to sit out until after the holidays.
I am convinced that WP7 v1.0 is the best 1.0 smart phone OS released to date. I think that MS got the basics incredibly right...and that the limitations are going to begin to be addressed very soon. Yes, MS was late to the party, but they've shown up with more style than anyone else, if not with as much substance...and they are moving much faster than both Google and Apple did to provide said substance. WP7 is a joy to interact with. It is beautiful. It's fun. So much so, that despite the current limitations, I choose to use my HD7 as my daily driver...and to leave my Android phones at home.
WP7 is in many ways very good right now, and it has an extremely bright future. I can understand that some of you don't have the patience to wait for WP7 to catch up in the few areas that it's lacking in, but such patience is a prerequisite of being a happy early adopter. If you can't enjoy experiencing the growth process of a new platform, then maybe being an early adopter isn't for you. But, please people, don't make it seem like MS blew it in regards to WP7, because that couldn't be further from the truth.
Oh, one last thing. How in the world does the HD7 have horrible build quality?? Yes, as you tilt the phone away from the optimal viewing angle, the colors somewhat fade. It is not an AMOLED screen and the black levels pale in comparison..quite literally. But, when I use my phone, I tend to keep it within the optimal viewing angles...and within those parameters, the HD7's screen displays good and VERY natural colors..unlike the overwhelmingly oversaturated colors that my Galaxy S displays...and without any banding.
Also, I love the 4.3" screen. Those extra .3" make a real difference. Do I prefer the outrageously deep blacks and the incredibly effective viewing angles of the Super AMOLED screen? Yes, if course. But, I prefer my HD7's spacious, natural looking screen in every other way.
Outside of the screen though, I don't see how anyone can critize it's quality. I've owned MANY top of the line mobile devices, and none have felt better in the hand than the HD7. It looks good and feels good because HD7 uses high quality materials..unlike Samsung. People complain about the thinness of the back cover. It is just as thin..or thick, as the one on the Evo...and I don't see anyone criticizing it's quality. Despite being thin, it feels great when attached to the phone. The soft touch surface is great.
I'm also aware of the complaints about a relatively large gap between the removable and fixed portions if the back of the phone. I found this to be an optical illusion caused by the unfortunate location of the white sim card right where it's partially visible through the gap. But, I found an easy fix. I pulled my SIM card and colored the upper third of it with a black sharpie. Guess what...after that, the so called huge gap magically disappeared. The gap itself is no larger than on most phones. The location of the sim card was the problem. It looks great after taking a sharpie to it.

I can't reply to all the parts of that. Will take too long.
The build quality of the HD7 is terrible compared to the Dell Venue Pro. HTC was never known for having superior build quality. The HD2 was pretty good, though. Don't know why they paid so little attention to the HD7...
The HD7 has basically the same LCD panel from the Evo and/or HD2. It's not a good panel. It has bad color saturation and terrible viewing angles. It's also overly reflective. Size can only make up for so much, but you can get a Dell Venur Pro 16GB on contract for $50 less than an HD7 and the screen is only 0.2" smaller. The HD7 is a pretty bad phone by current standards. They used parts from last year to build a phone this year, and it's pretty apparent if you look at it next to other WP7 devices.
You can harp on the oversaturation in sAMOLED panels, but the fact and the matter is that it blows this crappy HD7 panel out of the water in almost any category. Viewing Angles, Brightness, Color Representation, etc. It's a bad screen. You can't make excuses for that... It almost looks foggy compared to an AMOLED panel (even something like the MyTouch 4G screen is obviously better).
Also, it has a smaller battery than some Blackberry Curve smartphones. 1150 mAh... Seriously? Anyone who uses their phone moderately will not be able to get good battery life out of that. It may be fine for YOU, at least now, especially with no third-party multi-tasking (this also makes WP7 perform artificially better compared to competing products - it only has to do one task at a time), but once that update comes and you're running 3-4 apps concurrently it will nosedize. All reviews has been pretty negative on the small battery in the phone.
The camera also isn't anything to rave about.
The materials used to build the phone are pretty dubious.
Build quality means the hardware build quality. It has nothing to do with the software.
Moving on to the software (WP7). Yes, they dropped the ball. They missed an opportunity to get a ton of frustrated Nokia and RIM users, as well as pick off more Android/iOS users when they decided to rush the OS out 6-12 months early with entire classes of functinality missing.
WP7 fails as a business phone right now, and Microsoft saying they're focusing on consumers is nothing short of an excuse. They said it will take almost a year to bake the business into the phone, so obviously that was in the roadmap. What they did was rush it out to try to save face while they "finished' the job. Coming from Android and Windows Mobile, some people are tired waiting on Manufacturers, etc. to "finish the job" while they sit there with a down syndrome phone saying "look how smooth it is, it's worth it!"
No HTML5 in the browser. No multi-tasking, C&P, embarassing Exchange Policy Support for a Microsoft OS, a user interface that in several areas looks like only 5 minutes was dedicated to design (Calendar, Dialer, etc.), lack of Flash (oand/r Silverlight), etc. Even blackberries have an HTML browser, now Not to mention WP7 didn't evne attempt to really exploit the enhancements made in Microsoft Exchange to convince business users to use it instead of RIM/Nokie/WM6.5 devices...
If you read my posts in this thread, you can clearly see that I'm not some Anti-WP7 fanboi.
But I think some people are making this OS to be way better than it actually is.
It really isn't revolutionary in any way, and falls on it face in many areas given what competing products can do and [rightfully] assuming competing products will improve as well.
The only thing that's really good about WP7 is the fact that it doubles up as a ZuneHD.
But a ZuneHD is cheaper than a whole smartphone and at this point in time it's almost worth buying an Andriod/iOS device and carrying a (much smaller) ZuneHD around than buying a WP7 device.
The hardware isn't all that good right now (will probably make a lot of "early adopters" mad at CES), and the manufacturers are paying little attention to what they're putting out.
If the Dell Venue Pro was in T-Mobile stores they would hardly sell any HD7s.

Sorry, gotta disagree about the dvp. It has already been recalled twice due to issues. How can you be confident that you will get 2 years out of it?
Coming from the hd2, the hd7 screen is fine. Maybe coming from a vibrant, its an issue, but I have seen more complaints about oversaturation and color banding of the focus screen then I have of the "washed out" look of the hd7.
I was a little worried about the back of the hd7, coming from the brushed aluminum back of the hd2, but since I'm not having to constantly pop the back to reset the phone, the back is no longer a worry and the texture is nice.
I've owned 4 HTC devices and overall the phones have been great. The best of them all (the hd2), is the only one that I had to replace due to failure. I consider that pretty good.
Maybe some early adopters will be frustrated by CES, but I doubt it. There haven't been many leaks of newer wp7 devices on the horizon. I think it might be fall before the next Gen wp7 devices hit, a full year after the hd7, which is about normal for new devices.
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I had an hd2 before this. I'm not blind and pretty much every review said the screen was pretty bad.
Dev has a warranty. Ill get enough time out of it until I get a mew device, if I get it. It a better phone than the hd7, in every imaginable way.
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N8er
So now after fighting with everybody and proving WP7 is the best,
you say it basically sucks?
Hard to believe.
And apparently you don't have WP7 device?

It's all well and good comparing feature lists, but really when you are talking about a smart mobile phone, it comes down to usability.
I put up with the quirks of WM5, 6.1 and 6.5 for a few years. While it did technically have a lot of features, it was slow and a pain in the ass to use. And if anyone not familiar with the phone used it they were immediately lost.
Now I'm using WP7 (HD7) since October and it just works. It's fast and everything is intuitive and makes sense. And oddly enough I am only very rarely missing some advanced features. For example, I thought I'd be crippled without tethering, but as it turns out I am using my laptop via tethering much less when I'm travelling because the mobile browser and mobile apps on WP7 are so much better than any previous mobile browsers I'd used, so I'm more likely to use it rather than just getting frustrated and dragging out the laptop to use the "proper" browser. The great WP7 keyboard has a lot to do with this.
And if I lend my phone to someone else so they can make a call or check their email or whatever, they can use it! WP7 passes the idiot test! I would actually get this phone for my father!
A few days ago I met a techy friend who's a nokia die-hard, he had just purchased the N8. We swapped phones for half an hour to test them out, and the look on his face afterwards was proof enough that MS is on to something. My initial impression of the N8 software was that Nokia hasn't changed their OS since 1999. There was an impressive list of features for sure, if you could find them, as the menu system and shortcuts confused the hell out of me. And fonts were tiny everywhere. Maybe I'm just spoiled by WP7 now, but the experience of using the N8 was dreadful.
TLDR; You can compare a list of features as much as you like to see which is best; but you have to experience it to appreciate it. And WP7 seems to have the edge in this regard at the moment, even above iOS and Android.

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nrfitchett4 said:
Sorry, gotta disagree about the dvp. It has already been recalled twice due to issues. How can you be confident that you will get 2 years out of it?
Coming from the hd2, the hd7 screen is fine. Maybe coming from a vibrant, its an issue, but I have seen more complaints about oversaturation and color banding of the focus screen then I have of the "washed out" look of the hd7.
I was a little worried about the back of the hd7, coming from the brushed aluminum back of the hd2, but since I'm not having to constantly pop the back to reset the phone, the back is no longer a worry and the texture is nice.
I've owned 4 HTC devices and overall the phones have been great. The best of them all (the hd2), is the only one that I had to replace due to failure. I consider that pretty good.
Maybe some early adopters will be frustrated by CES, but I doubt it. There haven't been many leaks of newer wp7 devices on the horizon. I think it might be fall before the next Gen wp7 devices hit, a full year after the hd7, which is about normal for new devices.
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"over saturation and color banding", I have no idea what you are talking about. I have had the focus for a week now and the screen is amazing. I don't even use my laptop any longer, just IE on the Focus. I was an HTC advocate for years (8125, 8525, FUZE) and switched to the Focus after careful consideration and will never look back. I have heard these criticisms of the screen and quite frankly don't see any of it. Am I just lucky? I have been to three ATT stores and played with 3 different Focus's before buying and did not experience these screen issues.

N8ter said:
I had an hd2 before this. I'm not blind and pretty much every review said the screen was pretty bad.
Dev has a warranty. Ill get enough time out of it until I get a mew device, if I get it. It a better phone than the hd7, in every imaginable way.
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the reviews I've read, had the screen as the "worst" of the wp7 phones, but due to bigger color range of wp7, the screen looked better than the hd2. Being the worst of the wp7 phones, is like saying the worst between a lcd, a plasma, and a dlp t.v. They are all perfectly acceptable, some people like lcd, some like plasma, I like dlp because it looks better for sports.
As far as the dvp begin better than the hd7, what are you basing this on? Hardly anyone has been able to get their hands on one. You can't go to a store and try it out since its only coming through dell and MS.
HD7 has a bigger screen, and more RAM.
Hell, even engadget can't get a review out because their demo units keep breaking...
We get it, you hate the hd7, but I don't think the dvp is any better.

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"over saturation and color banding", I have no idea what you are talking about. I have had the focus for a week now and the screen is amazing. I don't even use my laptop any longer, just IE on the Focus. I was an HTC advocate for years (8125, 8525, FUZE) and switched to the Focus after careful consideration and will never look back. I have heard these criticisms of the screen and quite frankly don't see any of it. Am I just lucky? I have been to three ATT stores and played with 3 different Focus's before buying and did not experience these screen issues.
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http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010...nding-issue-microsoft-could-partially-fix-it/

What got you started on WP7?

I used to be one of the android tools blindly mocking WP7, it just looked... I don't know... bland. I wanted nothing to do with it. I always have at least 8 phones, new and old I like to tinker with both hardware and software. I found a guy on craigslist who wanted a behold 2 for his HD7.... I thought it was a joke... I mean he was hell-bent on the behold 2 so I figured "what the hell?" I dug up that sad excuse for a phone that I'd used for about 3 hours and called him up. He was so excited and dropped that phone on me like it was an envelope of anthrax. I figured I'd make a quick upgrade as I'd seen them going for G2s and MT4gs all over the place so I posted it. I got that mytouch 4g... screen felt tiny and the OS was just too slow... I'd used WP7 for less than 2 days and in that time I'd become an addict without even knowing I liked it. The speed, the quality of the UI, the social integration, just everything was so perfect for me... I quickly got rid of that MT4g for an unlocked Focus and since then have obtained every US released WP7 device and 2 of each the venue pro and the focus. The only android device I have remaining is a streak which is pretty much used exclusively for angry birds. I love the trade-off.

They're heavily discounted on the resale market here in Canada.
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for me...
from a phone perspective, i would say that i am a general user with power knowledge. given that, windows phone is perfect for me. after 6.5 where i had to mod it to death, i am happy to just have a phone that caters to my needs and does it well. i know there are still things missing, but what is missing, i rarely used it on wm6.5 anyways, so it hasn't bothered me all too much. and no, this doesn't mean i don't want updates, i want them, especially as it enhances user experience (e.g. faster performance, HTML5, etc), but i am content with what i got as well. also, i quite like the casual gaming perspective and i have an xbox gold subscription, so it was more than obvious that getting it together was only right, that and i use live services quite a bit, so really it all just went together.
but from a developer point of view, i have been doing C# for the last year at work, so it was also only right that i got a windows phone and began utilising my skills for it. i haven't created anything final yet, but i've looked into things and began stuffing around my it in the emulator. so yea, all in all, more because i already work with a lot of MS products, it is only right to have it married all together via windows phone.
That and Australia has SO many iPhone sheep, i didn't want to be one, and Android isn't all that appealing because it reminds me too much of the management i had to do for WM6.5. And no, neither iPhone or Android are bad units, i know how to use them both, and they definitely have things over WP, but not enough to make me say that i need it over WP.

I wanted to be on the ground floor of an OS and after having a mobile rep pull a demo hd7 from re back on launch day, I was sold in about 10 minutes. I had never used a phone so smooth out of the box. Tried the vibrant and there was no the fluidity I was looking for.
As a winmo user for several years, it is nice to hav AP hone that just works where I can play withmy phone instead of constantly flashing and tweaking it.
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I used to be one of the android tools blindly mocking WP7, it just looked... I don't know... bland. I wanted nothing to do with it. I always have at least 8 phones, new and old I like to tinker with both hardware and software. I found a guy on craigslist who wanted a behold 2 for his HD7.... I thought it was a joke... I mean he was hell-bent on the behold 2 so I figured "what the hell?" I dug up that sad excuse for a phone that I'd used for about 3 hours and called him up. He was so excited and dropped that phone on me like it was an envelope of anthrax. I figured I'd make a quick upgrade as I'd seen them going for G2s and MT4gs all over the place so I posted it. I got that mytouch 4g... screen felt tiny and the OS was just too slow... I'd used WP7 for less than 2 days and in that time I'd become an addict without even knowing I liked it. The speed, the quality of the UI, the social integration, just everything was so perfect for me... I quickly got rid of that MT4g for an unlocked Focus and since then have obtained every US released WP7 device and 2 of each the venue pro and the focus. The only android device I have remaining is a streak which is pretty much used exclusively for angry birds. I love the trade-off.
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The appearance. I love the look of the UI and tried a couple Metro themes on WinMo and loved it. The whole UI is the only thing that grabbed me. But I also thought it was MS's iPhone...meaning something the huge company was going to do to compete with iPhone. That also meant, to me, superior quality.
But while I was trying Metro themes, I was keeping up with HD3 hardware rumors and the rumored specs, which turned out to be completely false, were very impressive and I just had to have an HD3.

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But while I was trying Metro themes, I was keeping up with HD3 hardware rumors and the rumored specs, which turned out to be completely false, were very impressive and I just had to have an HD3.
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i hope you realise that it was merely a design created by NAK. NAK create several concept phones with concept specs. they were never intended to be any more than that. when i first saw it, i was like... that would be pretty sweet, but seeing NAK logo, it was clear that it was just a concept phone.

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i hope you realise that it was merely a design created by NAK. NAK create several concept phones with concept specs. they were never intended to be any more than that. when i first saw it, i was like... that would be pretty sweet, but seeing NAK logo, it was clear that it was just a concept phone.
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LOL...hehe a lot of people made me aware of that over the few months before the real HD7 was released. I still kept hoping, though. Nevertheless, I was glad to get the real phone, regardless of the lowered specs.

yea. even though i own a trophy and i know it's probably the lowest in all the devices as there is no stand out feature, i'm still happy with my device.

i bought the HD 7 just because its windows... but to my surprise MS have developed a great mobile os... i have been using MS since PPC2000, wincCE.... and it was buggy... WP7 works out of the box as a phone, pda and a smart phone.. i know ppl will say dont have multitasking, cut and paste but to me its working very well till now....

I gave a little consideration to a Focus lately because I will be going over to AT&T within a month, but I'm just not too keen on Sammy quality lately. They had some big issue with a number of their phones and I'm wanting to avoid them. Too damn bad Dell doesn't put their WP7 phone out to the carriers to sell.

I started to use smartphone since O2 Xphone II. Moving to WM5, WM6, WM6.1 and jump over to BlackBerry due to the feature of push mail and social matter. I come back to WP7 after a year and am a happy user of WP7 now.

Good topic!
I had an original HTC Touch back in the day. It was awful. Then I switched back to a dumphone, the LG Voyager. Good little device, but the hardware broke after a year and a bit. So we upgraded. My wife got an iPhone, and there was nothing really that appealed to me. So I went with the Omnia 2. I knew winmo from before, and liked the look of it. But 6.5 proved to be the same frustrating experience as the HTC Touch (although I know most of the problems were due to bloatware from Samsung). I'm not profficient enough to flash, so I put up with it until I reached critical mass. I liked how my wife's iPhone "just worked". But I find iPhones themselves boring. Just rows of boxes. So I looked into Android, and found out it's the same as winmo (clutter, memory issues, fragmentation).
Then wp7 came out, I cautiously researched the hell out of it, and found that it was perfect for what I needed. it "just works", has xbox integration, office, etc. And for some reason I just love the look of it. I get so mystified when people say things like "boring dumb tiles" or "ulgy ass tiles". I don't know man, I just think wp7's look awesome. The tiles are great, it is the smoothest UI I've ever used, which to me, is bar none. Above all else on a smartpone, the UI should be front and centre.
So I went and got the Quantum (the only one available at the time), and was blown away by the hardware. I love heavy phones (feels like you've actually got something nice), and it's rigid and solid.
Anyways that's what got me here, and I expect to be a wp user for years.

my hd7 was a gift from my uncle.
i jumped from a sony ericsson s500i to an hd7

WP7 did not impress me until I touched the real phone at AT&T store. Operations are so fluid and the live tiles presents more than I expected.

Due for an upgrade, probably reluctantly switching to Android

I say reluctantly, because I want WP to be awesome. I want to stay with it, but I just can't do this 'basic' thing anymore. The colours are so dreadfully boring, there's no WP8 support for my device, Zune software sucks ass. I miss being able to just drag and drop into my music folder. Why complicate it needlessly with restrictive software? How many "new" colours will there be? 4? Android used to be laggy, but it's not anymore. Why is there no speed dial? (Yes there's an app for that, but I live in a border city, the only dialer app that displays my network is the native one, and I need to see it). There's no DLNA app (The LG one? Sorry, that's not a working app, that's just some user interface that pretends to be a DLNA app), and the battery. My freakin gosh the battery. I'd get better battery life out of a lemon and copper wire. 99% gives me 12 hours, that's if I close all apps and leave it alone for the day. I own three chargers (work, car, home), and mine is only a 3.5" screen! What if I had went with the HD7??
These alleged WP8 handsets that are coming out, will they be on par with even 2010 tech? Probably not. I'm so underwhelmed by just everything. My bro-in-law has the Note, and it's insane. Super AMOLED HD screen, xvid/h-264 support, HD out, etc. And it's already outdated almost. The Note 2 will be announced tomorrow, and then hopefully soon available here in Canada.
These are old talking points, I know. I've been reading/lurking this board since before WP came out. It's been hashed out time and again. And it doesn't even matter. What matters is what will please you/me the most. What do you care which platform I go with? I'm not bashing anything, just verbalizing my internal dialogue trying to decide. I was a pioneer with this platform, it pains me, I wanted it to be awesome, but it's just not fully functional. "But wait for the next update" worked a year ago, not this time. WP8 will be undercooked and a day late.
The desktop Windows 8 looks like a disaster of Titanic/watergate proportions. I don't want my device to in any way require that... thing of an OS. They missed the point. They may have started with simplicity in mind, but they're far from it now.
I'm due now for an upgrade, but it's not required, so I'm probably waiting until after Christmas to give time for all the iPhone5/Note2/WP8's of the world to be fully released and reviewed.
Anyone else feeling like this?

to my understanding, there's no/not too much heat on new android devices because almost every month(if not every week) there're some new android devices released to the market. You will always find better device if you hold just a little bit, just a little. but for the iPhone or the coming WP8, it'll be quite a long time before you will see a real update, the next release cycle, one year or something. So, before you see those, why jump now?

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to my understanding, there's no/not too much heat on new android devices because almost every month(if not every week) there're some new android devices released to the market. You will always find better device if you hold just a little bit, just a little. but for the iPhone or the coming WP8, it'll be quite a long time before you will see a real update, the next release cycle, one year or something. So, before you see those, why jump now?
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Yeah that's been the ongoing joke about the iPhone forever. And Android is definitely doing that lately.
There's certain features I really need to have in my next device. The Note has all of them. If the Note 2 dials some back, then I'll just go with the Note 1 and save some cash. If you can wait a couple months and get a little bit bigger screen, why not right?

Wait until Jan/Feb. Im expecting Microsoft to really step up with WP8 or Im gone also. I really dont like Android, but I might be out of options.

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Wait until Jan/Feb. Im expecting Microsoft to really step up with WP8 or Im gone also. I really dont like Android, but I might be out of options.
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I have a A500 running 4.0.3 I think, it works fine, but I ran into a lot crashes and problems too. I think I'm very open on which OS to use, the cheapest I think I got my Windows Phone Arrive for free, absolutely free, not even activation fee, so that's why I'm with WP7. But in fact, if I jump on the new release iPhone 5, but sell it, profits.

Another Option
This is not a flame but a genuine question. Why not wait and see what RIM come up with? I got my HTC Titan because I like the look and style of win 7 and realy do not like Iphone or Andriod and yes i have had an Andriod and my girlfriend has my Iphone 4. I too feel there is just too much missing from win7 and am due an upgrade about November so if RIM can manage to sort out there act i might give it a try.Remember how things were for apple a few years ago when they were talking about just selling the company
its just an idea
Mark

^ waiting on RIM, it'll be sometime next year before an actual device is released.
Side note:
I just sold a GS3. Damn beastly phone, the best I ever had. I didn't even mind Touch wiz. I had it for one full day before selling it, that home button just ruined the experience for me though.
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What vetvito said. Blackberry won't have BB10 out until like Q2 2013. As well as that, I'm just not interested in the last hurrah of a sinking company. It will probably be pretty limited. I'm just getting done with a 'new' platform, I'd like to be with something that's worked in.

Yes exactly my thoughts also on RIM. I dont want to switch to an OS that most likely will not be around anymore in few years. Before Nokia announced MS partnership I was expecting Meego to be the thing for me. I really hope hope WP8 is meeting my expectations and I wouldnt have to move to Android.

My suggestion would also be to simply wait what Microsoft's partners and Apple are bringing to the table next month. If you wait until december you should have all the options aside from RIM for whom I personally would not wait.
The Note is a nice phone in theory but the only one I know who owns one is telling me permanently about the newest strangeness it decides on doing (guess it's simply his device that's acting up - at least I hope so).
On the hardware front I'm not that concerned over WP8. The release handsets were announced to all feature Qualcomms Snapdragon S4 Plus chipsets which, even though being dual core instead of quad, offer better performance than the Tegra 3 and Samsungs own Quadcore-Chips due to the Krait-Architecture by Qualcomm. It's the same chip the LTE-Versions of the HTC One X and Galaxy S3 currently use. HD displays are also a go with WP8.
The biggest question will be WP8 features and it seems we will know whats coming there in one week.

I do see the point in waiting, but I just got myself a Focus S and its the dogs bollocks
I think what most users need to do is actually sit down and find out what they want from their phone.
apart from being able to install customs ROMs this phone does everything I want it to and it looks amazing so for me its ideal, waiting for a WP8 device may seem prudent just now but again, what do you actually want it to do, WP8 will bring new features but do you really NEED them or is it a case of "yeah that would be cool to have" if its the latter than you are buying it for the wrong reason.
theres too much focus on tech and not enough on actual usability. I can promise you that no android or Iphone will be better for my needs at the moment, not because I know every single device out there but because I know what I need my phone for, and the Focus S ticks all the boxes
So that's my advice, sit down, and write down what your phone MUST do, not what youd like it to do but MUST do, once you find a phone that does all of those things weigh up costs etc yes WP8 will be out soon, but do you NEED it, the answer may be no, but the flip side is that WP7 devices will drop in price so perhaps that's your best option.....anyhow, just food for thought

At the end of the day, it is just a phone. Doesn't matter what OS you buy into but this time around, don't buy a phone which "looks" good or "feels" good.
I would suggest trying out the phone and functions to your heart's content before parting with your money. Like everyone else, I am playing a waiting game before I invest my cash on any OS. This Christmas Santa will be pretty confused too!

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I do see the point in waiting, but I just got myself a Focus S and its the dogs bollocks
I think what most users need to do is actually sit down and find out what they want from their phone.
apart from being able to install customs ROMs this phone does everything I want it to and it looks amazing so for me its ideal, waiting for a WP8 device may seem prudent just now but again, what do you actually want it to do, WP8 will bring new features but do you really NEED them or is it a case of "yeah that would be cool to have" if its the latter than you are buying it for the wrong reason.
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MY WORDS! WP8 has some new features, but 80% of the world does not use NFC. look at Europe or Asia, have somebody seen some NFC around? the same thing, even worse is with east Europe. ok the better screen and the developer could make apps for WP8 in c++ but that not that big deal for the mayor of us. the problem is Other operating systems like Android made the WP7 users to WISH better specs. that's the problem, like an virus thats now in the heads of a few WP7 users. my WP7 does everything what i need to have from a phone right now, and for the next one, two years! like you stated people think of WP8 "yeah that and that feature would be cool to have" but i will never use it. i say lets wait until 7.8 and the new start screen, it looks and feels like the WP8. ok we dont get wallet and such thing, but wallet i dont need, i have a real wallet made out from leather the only thing whats not so good for wp7 is that voip agent can not run in background like the GSM service. so that would be an WP8 feature why i would switch, but not right now, maybe next year when the devices would be around 300-400€ in Germany.

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ok the better screen and the developer could make apps for WP8 in c++ but that not that big deal for the mayor of us.
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I disagree on some of these points. Higher screen resolutions and native code are very important features. Native code enables easier porting of apps from iOS and Android (not to mention more similarity between WP8 and Windows RT) and should make these apps faster / more responsive. Having a choice of a retina display would also be nice
It would also be nice to have some bug fixes, which is more likely to happen on WP8. Tango seemed to break podcast management for some of us, in addition to a few other niggles (e.g. why can't I edit the original email after pressing reply / forward?, volume normalisation issues etc). The overall experience is good - however, there seem to be several rough edges in WP7.

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I do see the point in waiting, but I just got myself a Focus S and its the dogs bollocks
I think what most users need to do is actually sit down and find out what they want from their phone.
apart from being able to install customs ROMs this phone does everything I want it to and it looks amazing so for me its ideal, waiting for a WP8 device may seem prudent just now but again, what do you actually want it to do, WP8 will bring new features but do you really NEED them or is it a case of "yeah that would be cool to have" if its the latter than you are buying it for the wrong reason.
theres too much focus on tech and not enough on actual usability. I can promise you that no android or Iphone will be better for my needs at the moment, not because I know every single device out there but because I know what I need my phone for, and the Focus S ticks all the boxes
So that's my advice, sit down, and write down what your phone MUST do, not what youd like it to do but MUST do, once you find a phone that does all of those things weigh up costs etc yes WP8 will be out soon, but do you NEED it, the answer may be no, but the flip side is that WP7 devices will drop in price so perhaps that's your best option.....anyhow, just food for thought
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Hmm good thoughts, but I disagree.
With things as luxurious as cell phones, the wants are what's most important. Cause if you go by "needs", then I'll be getting a simple feature phone, or a low end Android. Because I don't care who you are, no one needs resolution even as high as 800x480. What I "need" are email and text capabilities. I think the RAZR circa 2004 had that.
What I want is not what WP can provide right now. I know HD screens are approved, but welcome to 2011, as we head into 2013. They'll always be a step behind. Will WP8 have HDMI out? x264 support? Working DLNA? wifi hotspot? Doing away with software and just allowing drag and drop? Motion (press screen and move your hand around)?
I've been to the threads and looked at the features we've seen so far and it's just what should have been included in October 2010. The saying "wait for the next update", has been given as an excuse for every single update.
Just waiting now for news of the Note 2. Berlin is like 5 hours ahead of EST isn't it? I would've thought it'd be revealed by now.
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Ah, it's 1pm for the reveal. Leaked pictures look pretty sick.

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Yes exactly my thoughts also on RIM. I dont want to switch to an OS that most likely will not be around anymore in few years. Before Nokia announced MS partnership I was expecting Meego to be the thing for me. I really hope hope WP8 is meeting my expectations and I wouldnt have to move to Android.
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Seriously, it would be nice to be with a solid performer.
Meego looked cool, and Bada looked promising as well. C'est la vie I guess.

Android really has come a long way
Personally I didn't really like stock Android without sense till ics. It changed everything. Battery is meh compared to I phone, but with a custom kernel I can get ~12 hours with 1-2 hours screen on if I stick with lte. With jb its really smooth too I'd recommend a Nexus if you want os support. I have an HTC Rezound and htc is really poor with updates. If you are willing to root a toro/maguro will be supported for years. If not, you should at least get a year more of updates since the phone came out last November.
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^ it'll get more than a year of support. Nexus S, two years old still getting love.
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Seriously, it would be nice to be with a solid performer.
Meego looked cool, and Bada looked promising as well. C'est la vie I guess.
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The N9 meego was awesome. Samsung killed Bada due to poor sales, but it sold more than WP7.
I'm wanting to see what the Jolla guys do later this year.
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Hmm good thoughts, but I disagree.
With things as luxurious as cell phones, the wants are what's most important. Cause if you go by "needs", then I'll be getting a simple feature phone, or a low end Android. Because I don't care who you are, no one needs resolution even as high as 800x480. What I "need" are email and text capabilities. I think the RAZR circa 2004 had that.
What I want is not what WP can provide right now. I know HD screens are approved, but welcome to 2011, as we head into 2013. They'll always be a step behind. Will WP8 have HDMI out? x264 support? Working DLNA? wifi hotspot? Doing away with software and just allowing drag and drop? Motion (press screen and move your hand around)?
I've been to the threads and looked at the features we've seen so far and it's just what should have been included in October 2010. The saying "wait for the next update", has been given as an excuse for every single update.
Just waiting now for news of the Note 2. Berlin is like 5 hours ahead of EST isn't it? I would've thought it'd be revealed by now.
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Ah, it's 1pm for the reveal. Leaked pictures look pretty sick.
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Ah but usability is the main point here, HDMI, x264, DLNA, NFC are all features that are completely meaningless for many of us, you are absolutely right that a feature phone from 2004 would have done all that I need, but my phone does it better, quicker and a lot more efficiently! but that is my point if you NEED HDMI then that becomes a tick box that must be met, if it is a "oh that's a cool feature" then it shouldn't be a main tick box otherwise you'll be a mug for marketing and end up spending more on stuff you don't NEED.
All those folk out there with quad core phones are a prime example, slapping a quad core in my phone will make absolutely no difference at all in the slightest and I question anyone that doesn't play games or encode video on there phone to tell me that it does make a difference, its a great marketing tool though, its QUAD core guys, its X4 better than a single core, you MUST have this, and people lap it up, hook line and sinker

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HDMI, x264, DLNA, NFC are all features that are completely meaningless for many of us
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I am completely satisfied with my HD7 and NextGen 3.3 ROM, two things I miss in everyday life: Teamviewer and how to KILL SMS toast notification...

[Q] Went from iPhone 4 to Note 2 - Interesting feeling

After using the iPhone for the part 5+ years, I finally got tired of the same old OS. I jumped ship and went to the Galaxy Note 2, and I absolutely love it....amazing device. All my coworkers that I show it too and amazed at the display size and the overall great looks of the phone.
What I find interesting is when I look at the iPhone's tiny display, I don't know how I survived all this time with such a small display. I feel that I can never go back to a small display now that I'm used to the Galaxy Note. The iPhone display just feels way too tiny...lol. The big brillant display of the Note 2 is very good, and I can't really tell the ppi difference between the iphone 4 and Galaxy Note 2. The past wqeek has been extremely busy at work with lots of phone use (for actual calls) and I find holding the Galaxy 2 fairly comfortable...not as awkward as I thought it would be.
That being said...I do have one question....my microSD card will sometimes unmount on it's own, and the only way to recover is to physically remove and reinsert the card again. I have a Class 10 PNY 32GB card. Has anyone else had this issue. I've reformatted the card on the phone, but have not yet tried reformatting on a windows 7 computer yet, so that is my next step. Seems to happen once or twice every few days.
Thanks for any advice regard the microSD card.

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After using the iPhone for the part 5+ years, I finally got tired of the same old OS. I jumped ship and went to the Galaxy Note 2, and I absolutely love it....amazing device. All my coworkers that I show it too and amazed at the display size and the overall great looks of the phone.
What I find interesting is when I look at the iPhone's tiny display, I don't know how I survived all this time with such a small display. I feel that I can never go back to a small display now that I'm used to the Galaxy Note. The iPhone display just feels way too tiny...lol. The big brillant display of the Note 2 is very good, and I can't really tell the ppi difference between the iphone 4 and Galaxy Note 2. The past wqeek has been extremely busy at work with lots of phone use (for actual calls) and I find holding the Galaxy 2 fairly comfortable...not as awkward as I thought it would be.
That being said...I do have one question....my microSD card will sometimes unmount on it's own, and the only way to recover is to physically remove and reinsert the card again. I have a Class 10 PNY 32GB card. Has anyone else had this issue. I've reformatted the card on the phone, but have not yet tried reformatting on a windows 7 computer yet, so that is my next step. Seems to happen once or twice every few days.
Thanks for any advice regard the microSD card.
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Welcome to the other side. Regarding the sd card...I have a samsung 32gb class 10 and have had no problems with unmounting. Although I have not really had enough time with my note to notice (only a few days). Are you stock? If not what is your rom/kernel?

Welcome to Android! excellent device choice f,sure
Its more then likely a defective SD card.

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Welcome to the other side. Regarding the sd card...I have a samsung 32gb class 10 and have had no problems with unmounting. Although I have not really had enough time with my note to notice (only a few days). Are you stock? If not what is your rom/kernel?
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Yes..I'm running stock right from the AT&T store...no root and I made no changes to kernal, etc. Since I'm fairly new to Android, and I use this phone for work and personal use, I don't want to experiment with it yet, so I plan to keep it stock for a long time.
If reformatting does not work, I'll go back to Staples and return/exchange the microSD card since they have a fairly good return policy.

I was also an iOS user since iPhone4, and before switch to Note 2, I was using iphone5. I do love the Noteii's size, battery life, s-pen ... But in term of overall smoothness, I think IP5 still has the edge. I am not sure if there something I can do in NoteII to improve it.

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I was also an iOS user since iPhone4, and before switch to Note 2, I was using iphone5. I do love the Noteii's size, battery life, s-pen ... But in term of overall smoothness, I think IP5 still has the edge. I am not sure if there something I can do in NoteII to improve it.
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I hate to second guess you, but I can't think of what you could possibly be doing with your Note, that you really can see any difference between the smoothness of iOS 6 and JB. The vast majority of professional reviewers from the biggest tech sites, have all gone out of their way to say that the difference in fluidity between iOS 6 + JB is negligible and no longer a valid argument when comparing Android to Apple... at least not when comparing JB.

Theres soooo much more you can do on Android. Here is a few great apps for stock Android thats not available for stock IOS. Handcent (a texting app with tons of features), Perfect App Protector (let people/kids see your phone without worrying about them looking a your email or what ever app you choose to lock up), Keep Safe (lock up your naughty pictures), and Apex Launcher (easily customize your Home UI, makes IOS users envy with a cool looking UI).

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I hate to second guess you, but I can't think of what you could possibly be doing with your Note, that you really can see any difference between the smoothness of iOS 6 and JB. The vast majority of professional reviewers from the biggest tech sites, have all gone out of their way to say that the difference in fluidity between iOS 6 + JB is negligible and no longer a valid argument when comparing Android to Apple... at least not when comparing JB.
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Don't get me wrong. I am not complaining the overall performance of Note II. And I have no doubt it has more processing power. Regardless what the so called professional reviews say, in day to day use, the smoothness of IP5 does have edge. it is small but noticeable. Not that Note II is bad in anyway, just doesn't feel as smooth. While this doesnt mean IP5 is faster, it just mean, at least from user interface/graphic point of view, iOS optimizes it better
IP4 is my first iOS device, before that I was a Window mobile user. So I don't considered myself iOS fan. And between IP4 and IP5, I have used WindowPhone7 (HTC Titan II) for a while. I was actually quite impressed with the smoothness of WP7 but I hated how restricted it is (more so than iOS, which I am not so happy with). Note II is my first Andriod device, so far I love Andriod's flexiblity. Moving away from iTune is just priceless. But the smoothness of iOS's user interface shouldn't be desputed.

I was surprised at how quickly I got used to the size of the Note II, I laughed at my brother in law when he said he wanted the OG Note. Now when I pickup an iPhone it feels like the phone from Zoolander, a child's play thing.
I have the cheapest microSD card I could find. I believe its class 4. Had it about a year. Used it on my Galaxy S II with no issues, and still no issues on the Note II. Unless you count the glacial file transferring (planning on getting one of those 64GB sdxc cards soon). No issues mounting or unmounting. I would make sure the card slot is clean of debris, and check the card for dirty contacts. Try an eraser to clean the contacts. Do you have any other cards to try? Cameras, old phones, etc that have a card you can use to eliminate the phone. I would guess bad card before I blamed the phone. But, if other cards do it too, call AT&T and get the phone swapped.
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eelnoraa said:
Regardless what the so called professional reviews say, in day to day use, the smoothness of IP5 does have edge. it is small but noticeable. Not that Note II is bad in anyway, just doesn't feel as smooth. While this doesnt mean IP5 is faster, it just mean, at least from user interface/graphic point of view, iOS optimizes it better.
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I hope I'm not starting a religious debate here, but I had the same discussion with my coworker earlier in the week. Far be it from me to say whether iPhone is better than Android or vice versa, and I'm not going to debate with you as to which is smoother or not. I have iOS 6 on my iPod Touch, and it's really smooth, but does that help me in my day to day?
Here's my phone experience.
This is my fourth Android phone (one was borrowed) and at every change, I thought about getting the iPhone. The first time I didn't because I had just finished with 2 consecutive Blackberry Pearls. Compact QWERTY/SureType spoiled me so much I couldn't type on the iPhone. I text around 2000-3000 messages a month so I need to type. iOS' lack of 3rd party keyboard haunt me to this day, especially when I need Chinese/Japanese/Korean handwriting recognition. I think that's probably the biggest deciding factor for me, and still is.
Here are the awesome things that iOS has brought me: iTunes store, FaceTime, Siri ... Passbook? Getting smartphones to the mainstream, and pushing developers to consider the mobile platform? Apps are more or less the same except in some really niche areas. I need an app for music notation, and unfortunately, most of the usable ones are on iPad.
Here are the awesome things that my current Andriod (Samsung Note II) does for me: screenshot + annotation, CJK handwriting recognition (3rd party, alas), not turning off while I'm still reading, keeping orientation when I lie down ... window in window/popup window (being able to watch videos while reading emails), OTG usb support so I can hook up card readers, usb memory sticks and external hard drives, access to the file system, quick notetaking/hurried scribbles, offline voice to text (which was also a biggie for me).
When you press space while typing an email address in Blackberry, it knows there are now spaces in email addresses, so the first space is always the "@" symbol, and the second space is always the "." ... so "me you com" turns into "[email protected]", and I thought, WOW, Rim seriously had people sitting around going, hey. what would make things easier for people.
That's the feeling I got from the Samsung Note II.
I guess in the end, maybe I'm just too function over form. I'd rather have things that work over things that look nice. This, of course, has no bearing whatsoever as to the "iPhone 5 vs Samsung Note II" debate, because that's just my opinion. I think Apple's done a fine job, but I also think they need to innovate the pudding out of their products.
Anyways, welcome to Android, and I hope you enjoy your stay!

Hmm... how should I start...
Note 2/Android deals terribly with missed calls, texts and emails. Icon badges which are extremely useful are almost non existent or simply don't work. You have to "configure" just about EVERYTHING on this system to get it to work, where as with iOS it works... simply.... It does push as Android doesn't and its smooth as silk ON ANY APPLICATION...
Anyone tried flipboard on both? Why is it that on the iPhone its so much smoother than Android? Its the same developer with the same app and goal. There has to be an underlining from the OS that dictates or does this... How does that help me on the day to day? How good looking is your car? How does the ergonomics feel? That is how it helps.... For the first time the note 2 made it "passable" or "acceptable" the smoothness or lack of.. It still stutters even after 5 years... something the iPhone got right on day one! Anyone remember the G1?
Widgets without a capacity for push/seamless push they are pretty much useless, same thing as opening an application. If things would push correctly to your phone, android would have been so much more useful than iOS that it would have brought back Apple to the drawing board.
There are no programs like LockInfo/Intelliscreen X.
pictures MMS on Android have a play button..WTF? Even ChompSMS (makers of bitesms for iPhone) can't compare to bitesms functionality and usefulness. A quick reply on Android with Chomp will leave the badge on the icon and marked as unread, when you specifically want it read... you have to open the app to clear it. That should have worked flawlessly. If it works on the iPhone, why can't they make it work on Android... Its just coded differently and has bad coding or handling of data (whatever, I don't know).
In a general sense... iOS looks so much better... Android feels like pixels on a screen where as iPhone feels totally different... Then again... w/o a jailbreak it gets boring fast... and Android has a lot more to fiddle around.
The lack of jailbreak is the second time it has pushed me to Android... And this Big Screen is such a nice addition that I feel like I couldn't go back to the tiny i5. But then again, if a Jailbreak appeared I would be returning it...
I want to like Android... The geek in me likes it, but when simple things like notifications badges and push email don't work correctly makes me see all the huge flaws android still has...
For instance.....
I have lockinfo on my iPhone.... I go to my GOOGLE calendar.... add an Appointment.... pick up my iPhone and its RIGHT THERE... RIGHT THAT VERY SECOND that I turn on the screen... Try that SIMPLE thing with Android and let me know... that is the kind of things that should have worked flawlessly from DAY 1.
Try this... Google Now... "remember me when I get home to call my aunt." See what happens... Even spanish language works so much better on Siri than on Google... Even S-voice does a better job than google :facepalm: And the ousted Forstall... What a joke.
Updates.............. Oh god.. try getting an Android update... You need to buy a new phone (nice business from ATT and such? You mean to tell me that Google can't have the same "power" over carriers?, yeah yeah yeah... Get the nexus.. Nexus is and always will be a second class/Cheap product. LTE anyone?)
Music and iTunes... for much that I hated iTunes, the fact that I can organize stuff with one simple program, no matter the iPhone (1,3g,3gs,4,4s,5,iPads bla bla bla) is killer....
The list goes on and on...
Why am I still here? No Jailbreak for iPhone = boring iPhone and no lockscreen and tethering. And the Note 2 Screen is gorgeous..
I went to the ATT store... all androids there.. test them out... ALL OF THEM LAGGED... ALL OF THEM WITH 4.1 jelly bean... Picked up the note.. NO LAG! ok.. we can try this one out..
The S-pen is really useful and wonderful and that alone could make such a difference that would put the iPhone to shame... and I really want that to happen, but I wish that android would get its act together and made it possible to upgrade the OS and work on the simple things first... Its like if Google never ever used an iPhone.
Sorry.. I had to vent this. I wish android fixed this issues and it would become a huge progress and would destroy the iPhone... In the meantime... it will still feel like a second class product.

Sounds like you really haven't put any time into customizing your phone. All of what you are talking about is very easily achieved. And who needs factory updates when Samsung actively encourages you to get roms. Unlike apple who will crucify you for even saying the word jailbreak
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R1deTheLight said:
Sounds like you really haven't put any time into customizing your phone. All of what you are talking about is very easily achieved. And who needs factory updates when Samsung actively encourages you to get roms. Unlike apple who will crucify you for even saying the word jailbreak
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LOL he said all the android devices lagged, i doubt the optimius g lagged the gs3 or the htc one x+ lagged

Andrew149 said:
LOL he said all the android devices lagged, i doubt the optimius g lagged the gs3 or the htc one x+ lagged
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Also never base anything on the display models. Those things have weird custom display software that att makes for them. And they go through hell every day with hundreds of people ****ing with them
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I can't believe you are comparing an iphone which is JAILBROKEN to a stock Android device. Do you really think that's a fair comparison?
I loved BiteSMS on the iphone, but I was the only person I knew who had it. Why? Because it's not in the appstore! How come you don't blame Apple for not including all those awesome features you refer to in the stock firmware? The funny thing is you can't even say "there's an app for that" because none of the stuff you mentioned can be bought through legitimate means.
The iphone does a lot of things well, even when it's stock. The "features" you miss though 95% of iphone users never had or have to begin with. Your complaint list is completely unfair and I'm surprised you didn't realize that as you were typing all that out.
There are some legitimate gripes, don't get me wrong. The one that really bothers me is carrier control over devices. ATT should be slapped down as well as the rest of the carriers. Google has the power to do so and they should exercise it.

Go SMS pro is free and has the pop up in line reply for texts. I tried to break the logic for when a text is read and unread, couldn't get it to break. (No root required)
One thing HTC did good was lock screen support. I used a "productivity" lock screen that showed calendar notices on the lock screen. It also showed missed text, email, calls etc. It worked great. (No root required on Sense)
I use Nova Prime (was $0.25 not that long ago), the badges work great, and for more apps than TouchWiz launcher. (No root required)
I don't care for the voice control of Google Now. What I like is knowing traffic is bad before I leave. Other cards that give me info I will need, but don't have to ask for.
Widget locker lets you do all sorts of lock screen customization, without root.
Then there is CM/AOKP. Lock screen calendar built in, pop up text reply built in with correct logic, all sorts of customization.
When I think about my time with iPhone, the only jailbreak thing that was easier than unrooted stock android was pirating apps. (Something I don't advocate or miss). Far more apps are legitimately free on android. And with every jailbreak tweak the system became more unstable, and slow. Any iPhone upgrades to the next version of iOS was slow enough, when adding jailbreak on too of that it was unusable to me. For me jailbrake still had a big component of trial and error to find a good mix of what I want. Android is the same, you get out what you put in. It will take some work, and Googling into all hours of the night to find the right set of apps to do what you want, but you have much more power over your experience in Android. Then, with custom ROMs its even more.
All that said ... if you want an iPhone get one. Don't mistake this for "don't let the door hit you on the way out." I've been on xda for a while, and seen a lot of people come and go. Generally I have seen the people that come in saying how much android is harder to customize, and easier jailbreak was, go back to the iPhone. You only get 14 days (instead of the old 30) to make a choice that may haunt you for 18 months. Make the right one for you. Its better to be happy with your choice and device than to be stuck on a platform you don't like because others tell you its better. Android is the right choice for ME. TouchWiz is the right choice for ME. The Note II is the right device for ME. Ultimately you need to make that choice for you, its your phone, and you will be the one using it every day.
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Hmm... how should I start...
Note 2/Android deals terribly with missed calls, texts and emails
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Sorry.. I had to vent this. I wish android fixed this issues and it would become a huge progress and would destroy the iPhone... In the meantime... it will still feel like a second class product.
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Not sure what planet you live on but I disagree with everything you state.
I am familiar with the apps/features you mention on the iPhone since I owned the iPhone, iPhone 3g, and Iphone 4s which I used extensively at work, traveling, backpacking, motorcycling, etc., etc.
Also I've been comparing my Note2 with my wife's new iPhone 5 her work purchased for her...and there really is no comparison.
Her prior phone was the BB Curve 2 and I thought she is going to be blown away as a new iphone user...I about died when she said "I'm not impressed...thought the screen would be more useable/bigger".
Apple has lost their creativity which saddens me because I actually used the original MAC in the '80s to develop manufacturing software AND I own a ton of AAPL stock.
I certainly understand and agree the iPhone may be better suited for certain types of people and obviously MANY like it...that's fine but your rant is over the top and based on old, wornout statements.
Just my opinion.

quarlow said:
Go SMS pro is free and has the pop up in line reply for texts. I tried to break the logic for when a text is read and unread, couldn't get it to break. (No root required)
One thing HTC did good was lock screen support. I used a "productivity" lock screen that showed calendar notices on the lock screen. It also showed missed text, email, calls etc. It worked great. (No root required on Sense)
I use Nova Prime (was $0.25 not that long ago), the badges work great, and for more apps than TouchWiz launcher. (No root required)
I don't care for the voice control of Google Now. What I like is knowing traffic is bad before I leave. Other cards that give me info I will need, but don't have to ask for.
Widget locker lets you do all sorts of lock screen customization, without root.
Then there is CM/AOKP. Lock screen calendar built in, pop up text reply built in with correct logic, all sorts of customization.
When I think about my time with iPhone, the only jailbreak thing that was easier than unrooted stock android was pirating apps. (Something I don't advocate or miss). Far more apps are legitimately free on android. And with every jailbreak tweak the system became more unstable, and slow. Any iPhone upgrades to the next version of iOS was slow enough, when adding jailbreak on too of that it was unusable to me. For me jailbrake still had a big component of trial and error to find a good mix of what I want. Android is the same, you get out what you put in. It will take some work, and Googling into all hours of the night to find the right set of apps to do what you want, but you have much more power over your experience in Android. Then, with custom ROMs its even more.
All that said ... if you want an iPhone get one. Don't mistake this for "don't let the door hit you on the way out." I've been on xda for a while, and seen a lot of people come and go. Generally I have seen the people that come in saying how much android is harder to customize, and easier jailbreak was, go back to the iPhone. You only get 14 days (instead of the old 30) to make a choice that may haunt you for 18 months. Make the right one for you. Its better to be happy with your choice and device than to be stuck on a platform you don't like because others tell you its better. Android is the right choice for ME. TouchWiz is the right choice for ME. The Note II is the right device for ME. Ultimately you need to make that choice for you, its your phone, and you will be the one using it every day.
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1000 times this

R1deTheLight said:
Sounds like you really haven't put any time into customizing your phone. All of what you are talking about is very easily achieved. And who needs factory updates when Samsung actively encourages you to get roms. Unlike apple who will crucify you for even saying the word jailbreak
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By all means... I wish to solve all of those issues and be happy with my Android!... Why do you think I am here?
ROMs usually do NOT have all the features unless they are based on the stock roms.. Ports like CM10 and the such will loose most of the S-pen features if not all.
I don't get why people can't get criticism from the things they like... all it will do in the future is make a better product... If you think its all mighty and perfect, there is nothing to fix... Nothing new to add... it will be stale.
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Andrew149 said:
LOL he said all the android devices lagged, i doubt the optimius g lagged the gs3 or the htc one x+ lagged
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HTC One X+ was the one that lagged the most...
S3 that comes here with the crap dragon lagged to hell
Note 2... not a single hiccup... hence why I got it... Besides I wanted the biggest one I could find... I really wanted a phablet.
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andrawer said:
Not sure what planet you live on but I disagree with everything you state.
I am familiar with the apps/features you mention on the iPhone since I owned the iPhone, iPhone 3g, and Iphone 4s which I used extensively at work, traveling, backpacking, motorcycling, etc., etc.
Also I've been comparing my Note2 with my wife's new iPhone 5 her work purchased for her...and there really is no comparison.
Her prior phone was the BB Curve 2 and I thought she is going to be blown away as a new iphone user...I about died when she said "I'm not impressed...thought the screen would be more useable/bigger".
Apple has lost their creativity which saddens me because I actually used the original MAC in the '80s to develop manufacturing software AND I own a ton of AAPL stock.
I certainly understand and agree the iPhone may be better suited for certain types of people and obviously MANY like it...that's fine but your rant is over the top and based on old, wornout statements.
Just my opinion.
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To quote Steve Jobs:
This phone is 5 years ahead of any phone in the market....
Its been 5 years and phones are catching up... but... until the simplicities aren't take care off.... You will see more iPhones on the road than Notes or S3s.
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quarlow said:
Go SMS pro is free and has the pop up in line reply for texts. I tried to break the logic for when a text is read and unread, couldn't get it to break. (No root required)
One thing HTC did good was lock screen support. I used a "productivity" lock screen that showed calendar notices on the lock screen. It also showed missed text, email, calls etc. It worked great. (No root required on Sense)
I use Nova Prime (was $0.25 not that long ago), the badges work great, and for more apps than TouchWiz launcher. (No root required)
I don't care for the voice control of Google Now. What I like is knowing traffic is bad before I leave. Other cards that give me info I will need, but don't have to ask for.
Widget locker lets you do all sorts of lock screen customization, without root.
Then there is CM/AOKP. Lock screen calendar built in, pop up text reply built in with correct logic, all sorts of customization.
When I think about my time with iPhone, the only jailbreak thing that was easier than unrooted stock android was pirating apps. (Something I don't advocate or miss). Far more apps are legitimately free on android. And with every jailbreak tweak the system became more unstable, and slow. Any iPhone upgrades to the next version of iOS was slow enough, when adding jailbreak on too of that it was unusable to me. For me jailbrake still had a big component of trial and error to find a good mix of what I want. Android is the same, you get out what you put in. It will take some work, and Googling into all hours of the night to find the right set of apps to do what you want, but you have much more power over your experience in Android. Then, with custom ROMs its even more.
All that said ... if you want an iPhone get one. Don't mistake this for "don't let the door hit you on the way out." I've been on xda for a while, and seen a lot of people come and go. Generally I have seen the people that come in saying how much android is harder to customize, and easier jailbreak was, go back to the iPhone. You only get 14 days (instead of the old 30) to make a choice that may haunt you for 18 months. Make the right one for you. Its better to be happy with your choice and device than to be stuck on a platform you don't like because others tell you its better. Android is the right choice for ME. TouchWiz is the right choice for ME. The Note II is the right device for ME. Ultimately you need to make that choice for you, its your phone, and you will be the one using it every day.
Sent from my Note ][
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Widget locker is a program and is not a lockscreen... The program disables the lockscreen and the program activates itself...
First in lower mem (not applicable here) phones it LAGS to hell... you will always see the desktop THEN widget locker. Same goes with Executive Assistant...it got to the point where it wouldn't unlock.
I haven't tried the latest ones and this was a year ago with a craprocket that I bought and I hated it. Went to the 4S when the jailbreak came out and I was a happy camper... Again.. as I have said before.. I got tired of the same thing... of the lack of new interesting things to do with a new phone... Specially without jailbreak. I do play around with the phone and this is one of the things that I like about Android.
XDA Community for android doesn't exist for any other platform...and that simply is a bonus...
Why do I want updates?
4.2 brings some good lockscreen features and I want to try those... There might be a port... but... it might not have all the functions it would have if it where stock.
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quarlow said:
Go SMS pro is free and has the pop up in line reply for texts. I tried to break the logic for when a text is read and unread, couldn't get it to break. (No root required)
One thing HTC did good was lock screen support. I used a "productivity" lock screen that showed calendar notices on the lock screen. It also showed missed text, email, calls etc. It worked great. (No root required on Sense)
I use Nova Prime (was $0.25 not that long ago), the badges work great, and for more apps than TouchWiz launcher. (No root required)
I don't care for the voice control of Google Now. What I like is knowing traffic is bad before I leave. Other cards that give me info I will need, but don't have to ask for.
Widget locker lets you do all sorts of lock screen customization, without root.
Then there is CM/AOKP. Lock screen calendar built in, pop up text reply built in with correct logic, all sorts of customization.
When I think about my time with iPhone, the only jailbreak thing that was easier than unrooted stock android was pirating apps. (Something I don't advocate or miss). Far more apps are legitimately free on android. And with every jailbreak tweak the system became more unstable, and slow. Any iPhone upgrades to the next version of iOS was slow enough, when adding jailbreak on too of that it was unusable to me. For me jailbrake still had a big component of trial and error to find a good mix of what I want. Android is the same, you get out what you put in. It will take some work, and Googling into all hours of the night to find the right set of apps to do what you want, but you have much more power over your experience in Android. Then, with custom ROMs its even more.
All that said ... if you want an iPhone get one. Don't mistake this for "don't let the door hit you on the way out." I've been on xda for a while, and seen a lot of people come and go. Generally I have seen the people that come in saying how much android is harder to customize, and easier jailbreak was, go back to the iPhone. You only get 14 days (instead of the old 30) to make a choice that may haunt you for 18 months. Make the right one for you. Its better to be happy with your choice and device than to be stuck on a platform you don't like because others tell you its better. Android is the right choice for ME. TouchWiz is the right choice for ME. The Note II is the right device for ME. Ultimately you need to make that choice for you, its your phone, and you will be the one using it every day.
Sent from my Note ][
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This is a post of don't let the door hit you on the way out...
Which is ridiculous... if you don't admit to your flaws you will not really know how to fix them...
I really dislike apple's wall garden and the tight grip they have on everything... I really find it annoying that they are suing everyone and the only way to make a real statement is not buy another product of theirs.. but if the community CAN'T take a simple critic about simplicities that DON'T work and you can argue it does... out of the box it doesn't and modded at best it partially works, we will never get the product we wish for.
If lag was never an issue, why does project butter exist and why do people welcomed the update? I am sure that if all the things that I have stated where fixed, everyone would be happier with their android.
I wanted more a 5.5" phone than an iPhone, hence why I got this one... I also wanted a fast phone that didn't lag. I got this one which is decent.
Right now I am using the Jedi Rom which is very nice and Apex Launcher which solves somewhat most of my issues with the badges... But there are still hiccups and there are still unread message counts that are read from time to time and only a reboot fixes the issue. Does anyone think that is ACCEPTABLE?
GOSMS is freaking ugly and laggy... sorry...
Fluidity was one of the things I really liked about launcher pro but that program hasn't been updated in years. Badges had huge hiccups. Badges is one of the things that once you get used to it, specially after 5 years, its hard to get unused to it.
What about visual voicemail on the STOCK Phone app? its nice to be able to deal with all your call's needs right on the phone app. No, we need to go to a separate app to just deal with voicemails...
You people should use an iPhone for a good while to see how simply it works on everyday stuff...
Don't get me started on Tap economy. Android requires too many more taps than iPhone to do just about the same thing.
All of the things that I have said... can be fixed... I had a LOT more complaints about android that were fixed with ICS and Jellybean, hence why I am back.
Things CAN be fixed and I bet they are fixing them.. but post like these is what makes their todo list bigger with newer updates.
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andrawer said:
Not sure what planet you live on but I disagree with everything you state.
I am familiar with the apps/features you mention on the iPhone since I owned the iPhone, iPhone 3g, and Iphone 4s which I used extensively at work, traveling, backpacking, motorcycling, etc., etc.
Also I've been comparing my Note2 with my wife's new iPhone 5 her work purchased for her...and there really is no comparison.
Her prior phone was the BB Curve 2 and I thought she is going to be blown away as a new iphone user...I about died when she said "I'm not impressed...thought the screen would be more useable/bigger".
Apple has lost their creativity which saddens me because I actually used the original MAC in the '80s to develop manufacturing software AND I own a ton of AAPL stock.
I certainly understand and agree the iPhone may be better suited for certain types of people and obviously MANY like it...that's fine but your rant is over the top and based on old, wornout statements.
Just my opinion.
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If you don't agree with them... prove me wrong... we are all here to debate... If I am wrong, it means that my issue can be solved... which is what I want... I am not here to just complain, its also a way of looking for solutions... but this is also a perspective on why iphone lovers hate android. Wasn't samsung mocking android owners? Isn't Samsung trying to Snitch iPhone users? This is the way... fixing stuff. If an iPhone owner comes to all this broken OS, they will really go back. I have the opportunity to fix them and I don't mind fiddling with code and decoding and coding APKs if need be. I like to do all that.

Dude, its not android users not taking criticism, youre just *****ing about things you can fix easily. Like I said, you have not spent any REAL time trying to figure things out. Besides this phone just came out. Give the dev community a minute and I guarantee things you never even knew you wanted will become a reality.