Bitrate for movies? And whether 32GB is enough or not - Samsung Galaxy Nexus

At what bitrate would you/do you encode your movies? I'm calculating my size requirements and whether only 32GB would be enough or not. I'm thinking 720p at 900kbps/1mbps max. So far here's how I've broken down my size usage too :
Music - 0B, considering that I always stream it I don't have any music on any of my devices
Apps - 5GB, mostly those big games like Asphalt 6 and RS11 which take about 500MB each.
Camera - I'll keep another 5-7GB spare for my camera's photos and videos, I'm not sure what the bitrate of 720p/1080p footage is on Galaxy Nexus.
So now the remaining goes for movies and tv shows, considering the only TV Shows I got on my comp are DB/Z/GT and Friends which take approx. 16-20GB each in a fairly poorly encoded version, I doubt I'll be able to transfer them there. I got my iPod storing DB/Z/GT and iPad storing Friends. I guess I'll keep a few beautifully encoded videos on my SGN, for which I have about 15-17GB. I guess this should be enough.

Dragooon123 said:
At what bitrate would you/do you encode your movies? I'm calculating my size requirements and whether only 32GB would be enough or not. I'm thinking 720p at 900kbps/1mbps max. So far here's how I've broken down my size usage too :
Music - 0B, considering that I always stream it I don't have any music on any of my devices
Apps - 5GB, mostly those big games like Asphalt 6 and RS11 which take about 500MB each.
Camera - I'll keep another 5-7GB spare for my camera's photos and videos, I'm not sure what the bitrate of 720p/1080p footage is on Galaxy Nexus.
So now the remaining goes for movies and tv shows, considering the only TV Shows I got on my comp are DB/Z/GT and Friends which take approx. 16-20GB each in a fairly poorly encoded version, I doubt I'll be able to transfer them there. I got my iPod storing DB/Z/GT and iPad storing Friends. I guess I'll keep a few beautifully encoded videos on my SGN, for which I have about 15-17GB. I guess this should be enough.
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Or. You could be less lazy and work more often to discard every file already seen. And on the photo/video, do the same thing with the ones you think you won't be showing everyday. Voila! 80% space saved. If you have problems with space, don't get the GN.

I agree an sdcard slot wouldn't have hurt and I see no reason for them not to implement it. Still, I'm getting the device. Just saying that expandability is nice to have.

You can also plug usb flash drive in via usb otg, theres a much storage as you could ever want (not as good as an sd card, and you can't tv out via mhl and use otg at the same time but it's something)
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veyka said:
You can also plug usb flash drive in via usb otg, theres a much storage as you could ever want (not as good as an sd card, and you can't tv out via mhl and use otg at the same time but it's something)
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That's why you put the movie onto your phone from the flash drive directly, THEN MHL onto a TV

I think 900 to 1100 kbit/s for a 720p video is ok IF you use h.264 video codec.
However I recommend a 2-pass encoding with high quality settings in this case (my settings for handbrake: ref=3:bframes=0:subq=9:mixed-refs=0:weightb=0:8x8dct=0:weightp=0:me=tesa:trellis=0:cqm=flat:level-idc=40 which deliver good results and are well playable even on tegra2 devices).
I encoded some typical 20 to 22 minute episodes to 175mb per episodes with that and quality was good.
I'm thinking about the galaxy nexus, however I would only get it if its available at acceptable price in the 32gb version. The lack of micro sd card is a disappointment.
I can live with the lower gpu since I barely play games on it.
However since I do consume media on it i'm wondering:
Does the galaxy nexus support decoding more formats now like the galaxy SII, for instance .mkv? I fear not since it's standard google.
Since I already have a SGS2 i may rather wait for ICS on it.

average size of a good movie encoded for 720p is aprox 4 GB
so 7 movies and the phone will barely have space for apps/games
assuming you buy the 32 GB version of the phone.
and you will have no space for any music at all
Dragooon123 said:
At what bitrate would you/do you encode your movies? I'm calculating my size requirements and whether only 32GB would be enough or not. I'm thinking 720p at 900kbps/1mbps max. So far here's how I've broken down my size usage too :
Music - 0B, considering that I always stream it I don't have any music on any of my devices
Apps - 5GB, mostly those big games like Asphalt 6 and RS11 which take about 500MB each.
Camera - I'll keep another 5-7GB spare for my camera's photos and videos, I'm not sure what the bitrate of 720p/1080p footage is on Galaxy Nexus.
So now the remaining goes for movies and tv shows, considering the only TV Shows I got on my comp are DB/Z/GT and Friends which take approx. 16-20GB each in a fairly poorly encoded version, I doubt I'll be able to transfer them there. I got my iPod storing DB/Z/GT and iPad storing Friends. I guess I'll keep a few beautifully encoded videos on my SGN, for which I have about 15-17GB. I guess this should be enough.
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But that 4GB would be for a fairly large screen, I mean the very small screen size should compensate good for bitrate. YouTube has then encoded at 700-800kbps.

the native resolution of GN is 720p
if you encode anything less than 720p you will see blurs/pixelations
just like when you watch a DVD disc on a HD 1080p screen
DVD are encoded at 480p
HD disc are 720p
Blueray disc are 1080p

I never said I will encode it less than 720p, I was talking about the bitrate. I don't need to encode it at full spec.
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AllGamer said:
the native resolution of GN is 720p
if you encode anything less than 720p you will see blurs/pixelations
just like when you watch a DVD disc on a HD 1080p screen
DVD are encoded at 480p
HD disc are 720p
Blueray disc are 1080p
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The quality of a picture depends on three things: resolution, screen size, and distance of the viewer to the screen.
Just saying that the screen is 720p tells you nothing.

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Hint: Movie Converter from Nvidia

For whom it may concern:
I've tried Nvidia movie converter (DVDs or movie files) based on Nvidias CUDA: "Badaboom" is using the GPU rather than the CPU. It's damn quick. But the most impressive is the quality. Tried with standard settings for IPOD (lowest quality) and got a 500MB file out of a 2hour DVD. The quality is much better then any other video converter I used before. No playback issues on my HD.
More information can be found here: http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/badaboom_uk.html
Trial can be used several times for free; Hard to find a price but it is 20GBP (cheap with the current exchange rate to EUR)
Rgds
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[Q] 1080p output from HDMI?

Hey guys I have been using the GN with 720p for a while and it's fine an all but I want to try and get 1080p output, is this possible?
I have been using the Samsung G2 MHL cables.
Thanks in advance.
Only if you play movies in 1080p i think. Not the homescreen itself.
Where do you guys get movies in 1080p for phones? Legally of course
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Depending on where you live, you could use something like MakeMKV to rip your BluRays (in sane parts of the world that would fall under fair use, in other parts the MPAA would track you down and beat you with your own entrails for causing millions of dollars in losses by watching a movie you bought on a device for which it was not intended).
However, since the MHL adapter mirrors the screen I highly doubt you'll get anything more or less than 720p without going through an upscaler which would kind of defeat the purpose.
big samm said:
Where do you guys get movies in 1080p for phones? Legally of course
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If you just want a short for testing or demonstration, download a few official Angry Birds shorts off youtube with some extra programs . They are available in 1080p MP4 versions. I have a few of them on my phone.
Shooting off on a tangent here, anyone tried those MHL dongles off ebay?

hdmi adapter UK

Hi,
Can anyone recommend a good (cheap) hdmi adapter?
Cheers...
MJ-12
After over a week now, i will take that as a no?
Cheers...
MJ-12
Sorry, do you want a good one or a cheap one?
Both together is nearly impossible, but you are lucky!
We have a priceworthy and good MHL-adaptare (which i think yopu need): http://goo.gl/aD8T7
Shipping to UK is 4€ extra btw.
I got the samsung one from amazon at 13 euros. Decent enough but no HD video. Not with the somesung one or any other adapter i tried. Just keeps the Phones resolution. Fun to play games and maybe a movie though
hdmi adapter uk
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/bizlink-mhl-adapter-microusb-to-hdmi-tv-out-black-p29839.htm
£12.95 inc of vat
this also works with no problems
http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/4-/20189616/-/Product.html
that's for £15 and claimed to be official. Took almost a week to deliver but worked without fault. Going by few reviews of "cheap" adapters, it seemed hit n miss thingy. Thought price is in middle for something genuine.
I can't vouch for the quality of this as I'm waiting for mine to be delivered (only ordered it this morning), but for a tenner I'm not complaining...
http://goo.gl/8BwsJ
starfarer said:
that's for £15 and claimed to be official. Took almost a week to deliver but worked without fault. Going by few reviews of "cheap" adapters, it seemed hit n miss thingy. Thought price is in middle for something genuine.
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That is the price for the genuine. post resolution when you try it pls.
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Just got ICS on my phone and tried the HDMI adapter. It seems that it has better quality with ICS. Don't know if it upscales the resolution but it seems clearer.
edit: So the output is 1080p but the upscaling isn't always the best. especially in games where the downloades files are for 800x480. In movies and photos it works great though.
starfarer said:
http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/4-/20189616/-/Product.html
that's for £15 and claimed to be official. Took almost a week to deliver but worked without fault. Going by few reviews of "cheap" adapters, it seemed hit n miss thingy. Thought price is in middle for something genuine.
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Argh hope it doesn't take a week to arrive, only ordered mine today
Decided at that price it just wasn't worth saving a couple of quid to get one that might work but likely have worse build quality.
Also ordered a HDMI to DVI cable from there for a stupidly low price of £2..
What's the actual conclusion on the SGS2s HDMI out? I've seen scattered reports of some people getting full 1080p out, others can't get any higher than the native 480x800. Then there's the Video Player app designed specifically for HD playback.
I'm getting 1080 with ICS but only on Videoplayback.
Tried several apps to resize the density for "office use" - everytime i had to reflash...
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Hollow.Droid said:
What's the actual conclusion on the SGS2s HDMI out? I've seen scattered reports of some people getting full 1080p out, others can't get any higher than the native 480x800. Then there's the Video Player app designed specifically for HD playback.
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Used to be 480p but in ICS works like a charm. BUT the app you are running has to be in HD or the phone upscales it a bit but not an actual HD quality. In movies it rocks.
cyberfux said:
I'm getting 1080 with ICS but only on Videoplayback.
Tried several apps to resize the density for "office use" - everytime i had to reflash...
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To me MX player works perfect, no problems with the stock samsung player.
Anyway even while the phone upscales the picture if you are at a big screen from the right distance you do not see bad quality. It is actually more than good. In photo gallery the quality is great, same on videos with any player. Only problem? Games. cause the downloaded files are for 800x480 which is low resolution if plagged on a 1080p tv.
Hollow.Droid said:
What's the actual conclusion on the SGS2s HDMI out? I've seen scattered reports of some people getting full 1080p out, others can't get any higher than the native 480x800. Then there's the Video Player app designed specifically for HD playback.
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Video resolution is independent of the phones native screen resolution. If the phone is 480*800 and the video is 1920*1080, then provided the media player can output 1080, and the tv being outputted to can display 1080, then the video will be 1080.
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euklidis said:
Used to be 480p but in ICS works like a charm. BUT the app you are running has to be in HD or the phone upscales it a bit but not an actual HD quality. In movies it rocks.
To me MX player works perfect, no problems with the stock samsung player.
Anyway even while the phone upscales the picture if you are at a big screen from the right distance you do not see bad quality. It is actually more than good. In photo gallery the quality is great, same on videos with any player. Only problem? Games. cause the downloaded files are for 800x480 which is low resolution if plagged on a 1080p tv.
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Photo gallery is played on 1080p? are you sure? on GB only videos were 1080
Not 1080p as far as I'm aware it is 1080i isn't it?
I got mines from fleebay, 19 pounds and that included a docking station and a spare battery.
You could always check Dealextreme... they always have good stocks of decent enough products
Wezi said:
Video resolution is independent of the phones native screen resolution. If the phone is 480*800 and the video is 1920*1080, then provided the media player can output 1080, and the tv being outputted to can display 1080, then the video will be 1080.
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What if say the video is 720p and your screen only goes up to 720p
My 22" monitor can't do 1080i so I appear to be stuck at 720x480
I got this one from Amazon for £6.99 and a HDMI cable for £2.25, I've only tried it with my TV (which can only do up to 1080i) and I get 1080i on it, no problems at all.
I haven't tried it with my monitor yet (I got it mainly to watch films on my TV without having to burn any disks/buy a NAS or anything) but I can try it to see the 1080p output if requested.
From what I understood it doesn't support 1080p

Questions regarding official S3 MHL/HDMI output!

1) How do i fix the borders cut off in landscape mode when connected to TV?? If u look at youtube videos every user regardless of TVs have the screen bit cut off even thou phone's resolution is 16:9 720p?
2) Why does it display in 1080p not 720p (screen on galaxy s3 is 720p)? (my laptop using same hdmi cable without adaptor shows as 720p on TV) id like to be able to adjust it
3) My galaxy s3 heats up to 55 Celsius when playing with the phone and mirroring games. Is this normal? (although my alienware laptop heats up same also when connected to TV)
4) There is a abit of a lag between TV and a phone, the phone also seems to lag more when connected to TV (my laptop doesnt experience this)
Xdenwarrior said:
1) How do i fix the borders cut off in landscape mode when connected to TV?? If u look at youtube videos every user regardless of TVs have the screen bit cut off even thou phone's resolution is 16:9 720p?
2) Why does it display in 1080p not 720p (screen on galaxy s3 is 720p)? (my laptop using same hdmi cable without adaptor shows as 720p on TV) id like to be able to adjust it
3) My galaxy s3 heats up to 55 Celsius when playing with the phone and mirroring games. Is this normal? (although my alienware laptop heats up same also when connected to TV)
4) There is a abit of a lag between TV and a phone, the phone also seems to lag more when connected to TV (my laptop doesnt experience this)
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Hey,
1) I have a Samsung TV and on my remote there's a button labeled 'P.SIZE', i'm guessing that stands for picture size. I keep pressing that button until 'Just Scan' appears on my TV, this adjusts the borders accordingly, basically, doesn't cut them off. I tried the exact same thing on a Philips TV and it didn't have 'Just Scan', the best i could do there is have the borders cut off but only by a little bit.
2) I'm not sure about this one but it's my understanding that, if your TV supports 1080p then the phone upscales to that resolution and if your TV only supports 720p then it displays at 720p. I think most of us would like to be able to adjust it
3) I think this is normal seeing as your phone is displaying it's screen...twice and in 1080p...while playing CPU/GPU intensive games + while on charger. (Yea, i'm not sure it's fair to compare a laptop with the S3 in that context)
4) I read some info on what could possibly be causing the lag...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1799157...They discuss how, when the S3 is connected to a 1080p TV, the S3 then displays the picture in 1080p at 24hz which apparently is good enough for videos but not for games. Whereas if you connect the S3 to a 720p TV it displays the picture in 720p at 60hz which apparently makes it less laggy. (Once again i don't think comparing an Alienware laptop with the S3 is just)

Lags On Kodi

I update my kodi to latest version and i have some lags anyone has the same problem?
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x.Orville.x said:
I update my kodi to latest version and i have some lags anyone has the same problem?
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What kind of lagging? When doing what?
If you have lags in playing video check if hardware decoding works - try restarting the device if it doesn't.
If you have interface lags - then I don't know, I've never encountered such.
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What kind of lagging? When doing what?
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I have encountered lags in certain media types on every version of XBMC/Kodi I have tried on the Fire TV except one, SPMC. When I discovered SPMC, it was instantly noticable that the video plays more smoothly than other versions. I have not had any lags since. Of course some HD streams will lag, but its because they are encoded too high and most connections cannot handle the stream, but besides high encoded HD streams I have had no lags. It kills me when people have great streams that are encoded so high that nobody can watch them. Makes me wonder if people are encoding streams too high on purpose. I am not a person that always needs an HD stream. To me if the stream is decent quality I could care less if its HD or not. I'll take a decent quality stream over an HD stream that has been encoded so high that its unwatchable any day.
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they are encoded too high and most connections cannot handle the stream
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I used to think similarly until I discovered that it's the wifi connection that is usually the buffering bottleneck. I tested this with several handbrake encodes using ten different bit-rates ranging from 5,000 kbps all the way up to 63,000 kbps; aside from the largest bit-rate there was no buffering in sight when connected via ethernet. I did a similar test with wifi, and I was only able to get up to ~12-15,000 kbps before buffering started making things unwatchable. That's about a 5 fold increase of bit-rate watchability, and the highest bit-rates were actually larger than a blu-ray's If that puts anything into perspective.
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I used to think similarly until I discovered that it's the wifi connection that is usually the buffering bottleneck. I tested this with several handbrake encodes using ten different bit-rates ranging from 5,000 kbps all the way up to 63,000 kbps; aside from the largest bit-rate there was no buffering in sight when connected via ethernet. I did a similar test with wifi, and I was only able to get up to ~12-15,000 kbps before buffering started making things unwatchable. That's about a 5 fold increase of bit-rate watchability, and the highest bit-rates were actually larger than a blu-ray's If that puts anything into perspective.
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I was not talking about local video encode, I was talking about encoded streams. You found out the same thing I was saying, that high encoded streams will be unwatchable just like I said.
I also had to connect Kodi to an ethernet cable to avoid buffering, so it's worth a try. While WiFi has higher bandwidth than 100Mbit ethernet it is not well suited for streaming since it can have temporary drops that cause hiccups. Other solution is ridiculously high cache, for me 75MB was too low for higher quality encodings. I had zero drops since using the ethernet cable.

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