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Has there been any word on Verizon getting Wi

Has there been any word on Verizon getting Windows Phone 7? i knows theres rumors about Microsoft being kinda skeptical about Verizon after the whole Kin fiasco but at the same time ive heard Verizon will be one of the launch partners for Windows Phone 7s launch
i havent seen any devices marked for verizon as of yet for the end of the year or september or november time frames. I know they have a boatload of android devices scheduled but no word yet on wp7.
anybody have a idea if Verizon will be getting it this year?

Verizon is investing in Android... no WP7 devices this year.

Fermat said:
Verizon is investing in Android... no WP7 devices this year.
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If you're going to make a statement like that you need to provide a source or at least make up that you have an inside source.
To the OP, noone really knows. You've seen the same rumors that Verizon and Microsoft aren't fond of each other right now. But if that was true, why did Microsoft just launch Bing for Android only on Verizon?
And the HTC Spark has been spotted in the wild. Conflipper previously said that the Spark is destined for Verizon.
I have a feeling we'll know a lot more on September 16th.

They're supposed to get the HTC Spark; and yes, Verizon will have WP7 at some point, Kin be damned.

RustyGrom said:
I have a feeling we'll know a lot more on September 16th.
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I'm a little out of the WP7 loop, what is happening 09/16?

TriAxisFL said:
I'm a little out of the WP7 loop, what is happening 09/16?
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Sorry, probably should've said that. It's when Microsoft is releasing the final developer tools. I'm just guessing (although there have been hints) that a lot more info will be known that same day.
Purely rumor/speculation but I've seen the date of October 22nd being launch day. This is the same date last year that Windows 7 launched. The timing does fit though. Paul Thurott has said that it's launching October. MS said that devs need to have their apps ready by early-mid october to get it in the app store on launch. So yea, we're definitely getting somewhat close to launch, whenever that may be. The closer we get, the more people will become "need to know" which means more chance for it to leak.

disregard the poster who told you Verizon wont see any wp7 because of investment in android.
look, Samsung has made a cdma omnia 3, thats a Verizon only phone and it runs wp7.
att has placed a huge order for wp7 devices, as well as sprint. do you think Verizon would suddenly drop windows all together just because they have android? Verizon is bringing over the iphone soon, it is most profitable for them to carry all of the leading smartphones, and yes that does include windows.
and if memeory serves the lg c900 is a cdma device as well? but im not positive on that one.
and LASTLY ive become decent friends with the head of the tech dept at my local Verizon store, were not the best of friends but i told him i wanted to save my upgrade for wp7 devices and he said theyll be carrying them sometime in november, this was about a month ago when he told me this.

TriAxisFL said:
I'm a little out of the WP7 loop, what is happening 09/16?
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You should also mark Sept. 15th on your calendars. That's when HTC will do its show in London where they will unveil their new and upcoming phones. The HTC HD 7 (HD 3) is very likely to be there.

theomni said:
You should also mark Sept. 15th on your calendars. That's when HTC will do its show in London where they will unveil their new and upcoming phones. The HTC HD 7 (HD 3) is very likely to be there.
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I'm not ruling it out but I wouldn't count on it. That rumor was also dumb enough to cite the absurd old specs that were just a figment of one (non-HTC employee) designer's imagination. Also, HTC is billing it as a "meetup" which they've done a few of already here in the states and none have had any sort of device unveilings. When they unveil phones it's usually a press event and not just something for the general public. I peg this at like a 30% chance.

deadwrong03 said:
Has there been any word on Verizon getting Wi
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in 2011 they will.

Fermat said:
Verizon is investing in Android... no WP7 devices this year.
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The grapevine proves to be correct
No Verizon this year
If it's because GSM gets the first crack as it's been rumored, so no sprint either, or if it's just Verizon is still to be determined. It's no real shock...verizon has usually beeen slow to release phones since they customize them heavily.

gom99 said:
The grapevine proves to be correct
No Verizon this year
If it's because GSM gets the first crack as it's been rumored, so no sprint either, or if it's just Verizon is still to be determined. It's no real shock...verizon has usually beeen slow to release phones since they customize them heavily.
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I think it has more to do with Verizon not being too friendly with Microsoft. They're customizing these devices for the various regions anyways. Also, if you're HTC, wouldn't you want to be the lone WP7 device on a given carrier? Having a captive audience is never a bad thing.

gom99 said:
The grapevine proves to be correct
No Verizon this year
If it's because GSM gets the first crack as it's been rumored, so no sprint either, or if it's just Verizon is still to be determined. It's no real shock...verizon has usually beeen slow to release phones since they customize them heavily.
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Its GSM first, no CDMA till 2011:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20016752-56.html

RustyGrom said:
I think it has more to do with Verizon not being too friendly with Microsoft. They're customizing these devices for the various regions anyways. Also, if you're HTC, wouldn't you want to be the lone WP7 device on a given carrier? Having a captive audience is never a bad thing.
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I've heard that from many blogs and such, but I think it's bologna. I've had a hard time believing 1 failed product would cause such a rift, it's not like MS and Verizon are still in highschool. it's business, you win some, you lose some.
Verizon is typically slow with the new phones. They seem to have more rules & stipulations to the OEMs than most carriers. Disabling features and tailoring them to use Verizon services, etc.
I'd be shocked to not see a wp7 phone on verizon by q2 of next year. Not having any phones in 2010 isn't all that surprising considering wp7 is releasing in month 10 or 11.

WOW... color me shocked and disappointed. Microsoft chose to not support CDMA at first. So no WP7 for Sprint OR Verizon until 2011. Wow......
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20016752-56.html
I'm not necessarily shocked that they're not getting it but for the reasoning behind it. Wasn't expecting that.

RustyGrom said:
WOW... color me shocked and disappointed. Microsoft chose to not support CDMA at first. So no WP7 for Sprint OR Verizon until 2011. Wow......
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20016752-56.html
I'm not necessarily shocked that they're not getting it but for the reasoning behind it. Wasn't expecting that.
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Why are you shocked? GSM is used pretty much everywhere except for Verizon and Sprint.

lordcanti86 said:
Why are you shocked? GSM is used pretty much everywhere except for Verizon and Sprint.
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So? That's the largest and 3rd largest carriers in the US. Also, it really wouldn't take much more from Microsoft's side to support it. The biggest thing is on the OEMs to produce the devices. I just wouldn't expect Microsoft to be the driver of this decision.

I don't think it's Microsoft's decision completely, supporting CDMA seems to be more of an OEM job to me. I also don't believe in the KIN as the reason, that's too minor of an event to make any profound influence, it's not the first or the last phone to fail.
What matters in my opinion is that Verizon clearly won't commit to the new platform, at least at this time, with its heavy investment in Android. The last thing MS wants is Verizon putting WP7 devices on the back burner without giving their salesmen proper training and showing WP7 phones in a bad light. Also, I'm sure VZW is frowning upon Microsoft's disallowing operators to meddle with devices a lot. They clearly like their own marketplaces, replacing maps with their own satnav solutions, disabling tethering and doing all this operator crap. They would probably accept those strict rules from a proven success such as an iPhone, but I can understand their reluctance to commit to a new and unknown OS. There's only so much MS can do about it, and they have to choose their priorities. If AT&T vows to support WP7 than so be it for the time being.

vangrieg said:
I don't think it's Microsoft's decision completely, supporting CDMA seems to be more of an OEM job to me. I also don't believe in the KIN as the reason, that's too minor of an event to make any profound influence, it's not the first or the last phone to fail.
What matters in my opinion is that Verizon clearly won't commit to the new platform, at least at this time, with its heavy investment in Android. The last thing MS wants is Verizon putting WP7 devices on the back burner without giving their salesmen proper training and showing WP7 phones in a bad light. Also, I'm sure VZW is frowning upon Microsoft's disallowing operators to meddle with devices a lot. They clearly like their own marketplaces, replacing maps with their own satnav solutions, disabling tethering and doing all this operator crap. They would probably accept those strict rules from a proven success such as an iPhone, but I can understand their reluctance to commit to a new and unknown OS. There's only so much MS can do about it, and they have to choose their priorities. If AT&T vows to support WP7 than so be it for the time being.
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If I understood this correctly, in wp7 they will be able to extend the marketplace and include their own vendor specific marketplace.

Windows Phone 7 selling in New Zealand

The WP7 devices are now selling in New Zealand.
Checkout this article
Thanks _pilot_

Why so long for sales in the US? Why is the US three weeks behind the rest of the world in the WP7 release? Is it a network or service provider issue?

Paolo01 said:
Why so long for sales in the US? Why is the US three weeks behind the rest of the world in the WP7 release? Is it a network or service provider issue?
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Honestly I think Microsoft is using the international launches as a sort of final beta test before the November launch in the US.
Critics here will be much more vocal about any issues than in other parts of the world, so it makes sense to iron them out before it hits US news channels.

Iridox said:
Honestly I think Microsoft is using the international launches as a sort of final beta test before the November launch in the US.
Critics here will be much more vocal about any issues than in other parts of the world, so it makes sense to iron them out before it hits US news channels.
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Yeah thats probably what they are doing but its not that long till the US release.

Iridox said:
Honestly I think Microsoft is using the international launches as a sort of final beta test before the November launch in the US.
Critics here will be much more vocal about any issues than in other parts of the world, so it makes sense to iron them out before it hits US news channels.
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Maybe. I just think that it is funny that MS's largest product in years is launched outside of the US first. MS is an American company. I have no issue with this, just curious as to why. I wonder if att is the cause of the delay?
When does the "rest of world" holiday shopping season start. US is considered Thanksgiving, so a November launch makes perfect sense. Get some buzz and word on the street by the time we are done eating turkey. Canada has their Thanksgiving a week before, so that makes sense as well.

Iridox said:
Honestly I think Microsoft is using the international launches as a sort of final beta test before the November launch in the US.
Critics here will be much more vocal about any issues than in other parts of the world, so it makes sense to iron them out before it hits US news channels.
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In my opinion, there's no way they're going to pinpoint bugs and create patches in 3 weeks. Especially hard if these overseas users aren't as vocal, as you say. Then what, as soon as you buy your WP7 here in the US you'll be forced to update it right away? Not buying it and in fact I think this is ridiculous that a company would even think about doing that.
I'm betting it's a US carrier delay.

i went to see it before it was on sales cuz my friend works in vodafone. don't really like the feel of the HTC.. i'll be holding it off till i get other choices in brand, i don't like HTC LG and Samsung in the design of these phones.. i need a keyboard and good camera.. does anyone know if SE going to make a wp7 phone.. i'm using the x2 now and i have to say it as given me a run for my money...

In Austria A1 (network operator) sell all three windows 7 phones + a free Xbox 360 today (21.10)
It's a nice sale but I'm very happy with my HD2 with Android on it
Here is the link: windowsphone7xbox

wow HTC including Xbox...cool..hope they will do this in Asia..

louieyasashi said:
wow HTC including Xbox...cool..hope they will do this in Asia..
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I think Microsoft is responsible for this

Today is the WP7 launchdate for France...

yamimillenium said:
Today is the WP7 launchdate for France...
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And O2 Germany , but it isn't online yet .

Hong Kong is in the 21st launch list too, but I asked around, nobody knows anything about Windows Phone 7. I was thinking to get either the Omnia 7 or HD7.

Not a good start for WM7, All the places that are supposed to have stock do not.
And other stores are not sure when it is coming in, or have no idea about it at all.
Microsoft should be pleased with this great start.

Paolo01 said:
Maybe. I just think that it is funny that MS's largest product in years is launched outside of the US first. MS is an American company. I have no issue with this, just curious as to why. I wonder if att is the cause of the delay?
When does the "rest of world" holiday shopping season start. US is considered Thanksgiving, so a November launch makes perfect sense. Get some buzz and word on the street by the time we are done eating turkey. Canada has their Thanksgiving a week before, so that makes sense as well.
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i think its because you guys have Sue culture for anything and everything thats why MS is making sure its works fine before its sold in US....
Just kidding

truffle1234 said:
i think its because you guys have Sue culture for anything and everything thats why MS is making sure its works fine before its sold in US....
Just kidding
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Just out of interest are there any WM7 phones for sale in Malaysia.

after reading the news on front page, it seems that time zones start in US
too bad that small countries exist in a different dimension, because there are no services such as zune pass nor bing available
even the phones aren't available at launch time - seems like winning the market isn't really an excuse here

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Maybe. I just think that it is funny that MS's largest product in years is launched outside of the US first. MS is an American company. I have no issue with this, just curious as to why. I wonder if att is the cause of the delay?
When does the "rest of world" holiday shopping season start. US is considered Thanksgiving, so a November launch makes perfect sense. Get some buzz and word on the street by the time we are done eating turkey. Canada has their Thanksgiving a week before, so that makes sense as well.
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Probably like others said - they're testing out the infrastructure and whatnot before the big launch in NA.
Also, as a Canuck, I'd love to correct you: Our Thanksgiving is the first Monday of October.

It's payback time...

My guess is that it has to do with the supply of phones. With people saying stores not receiving stock yet would tell me there is short supply. So delaying 2 1/2 weeks gets more units in stock. Or maybe I just have hopeful thinking.

In depth Mango preview on Engadget

Engadget's just posted a really nice preview of Windows Phone Mango, you guys should all check it out.
Bad news? Seems like it's still slated for Q4 of this year. Kinda glad I sold my Trophy now - so much for Multitasking in March.
Anyway, good luck!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/27/windows-phone-7-5-mango-in-depth-preview-video/

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Engadget's just posted a really nice preview of Windows Phone Mango, you guys should all check it out.
Bad news? Seems like it's still slated for Q4 of this year. Kinda glad I sold my Trophy now - so much for Multitasking in March.
Anyway, good luck!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/27/windows-phone-7-5-mango-in-depth-preview-video/
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q4????
er...q3 I thought since MS RTMs their OSes for OEMs between july and august with consumer reach the following fall...

I'm just going by what the article said, maybe Engadget messed up or maybe the release has been pushed back.

Awesome preview wish this update would drop soon.
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q4????
er...q3 I thought since MS RTMs their OSes for OEMs between july and august with consumer reach the following fall...
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It was always quite clear it will be Q4. Q3 starts in few days.

I don't believe that you people honestly believe it'll be Q-anything do you?
I call mid-2012 at least.
/wp7 fan
//realist

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I don't believe that you people honestly believe it'll be Q-anything do you?
I call mid-2012 at least.
/wp7 fan
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That's not being a realist. They've already stated this will be released this fall on countless occasions. Nokia has also already stated at least one phone will be released this year as well.
Its coming this year, and I bet they are working overtime to get this out by sept. if possible at least as an update to already circulating hardware.
Mid 2012 at least? That will likely be the newly discovered Tango update. Apollo will follow and likely tie in with Windows 8.

yeah, GREAT preview by engadget...i especially like the part where they say that 3rd party live tile support is finally coming with mango...thanks for the os awareness pals

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That's not being a realist. They've already stated this will be released this fall on countless occasions. Nokia has also already stated at least one phone will be released this year as well.
Its coming this year, and I bet they are working overtime to get this out by sept. if possible at least as an update to already circulating hardware.
Mid 2012 at least? That will likely be the newly discovered Tango update. Apollo will follow and likely tie in with Windows 8.
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I agree. Microsoft seems to be much more aggressive with the way Mango is being hyped this early in the development cycle. I will not be at all surprised to see phones with Mango pre-loaded, on store shelves before the end of September. And, I also expect the majority of carriers to be in a status of "delivering update" by mid-October at the latest.
Of course, I also believe that Samsung Focus users on AT&T will probably not receive the update until mid-2012 (still waiting for 7392 here), so in that sense I guess both extremes of the prediction scale are correct.

After reading and watching a lot of the Mango previews around the web I was surprised when I realized that even after iOS 5 was announced, and even comparing Mango to the current state of Android, that Mango is incredibly relevant and probably will be when launched -- hopefully with new hardware. Usually software announcements this far ahead of time really become dated quickly, but most of the features added really bring a lot of parity to Windows Phone.

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still waiting for 7392 here
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Why haven't you used one of the workarounds? Worked perfectly fine on my phone. Took all of five minutes.

It was a pretty good review of what's coming and I really look forward to it.
I just hope with 500+ features there is not 500 bugs to go with them....

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Why haven't you used one of the workarounds? Worked perfectly fine on my phone. Took all of five minutes.
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If it were I in his position, I would respond with: because I shouldn't have to.
Microsoft promised updates, and so far have failed in delivering them in a consistent manner.
Still a huge wp7 fan, don't get me wrong. I don't ever see myself using another platform, but just being honest here.

I agree to a point, but I don't fault Microsoft for this situation. I lay all of the blame right at the feet of AT&T. Their contempt for their customers is astounding. Unfortunately I'm kind of stuck, since I have a grandfathered unlimited data plan, and jumping ship to get the same deal from Verizon before they close the door on their similar plan would incur a sizable ETF.
And, after the Chevron updater near-debacle, I'm a little gun shy of any workarounds that might speed the update process along via unsupported channels. So what's a guy to do?

"9/15 isn't Mango day" Says Joe Belfiore

http://twitter.com/#!/joebelfiore
He also says (or links to) a site that shows the first day of fall as 23rd September. I think we all know what he is trying to say

wwfc said:
He also says (or links to) a site that shows the first day of fall as 23rd September. I think we all know what he is trying to say
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And there we go, gettings up our false hopes again.

He also said, "PS - this website shows you the START of fall. Don't jump to conclusions!! http://bit.ly/oKGsJ2." So don't hold your breath.

I still haven't got NoDo on my Omnia 7. I'm sick of waiting!

I wait in silence!

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No we don't.

Awww crap! that means it won't be arriving until AFTER september 23rd... I actually thought Microsoft would release something ahead of schedule but they never like to disappoint us do they.

Today Microsoft has treated its customers like dirt, had many days to say that today was not the day of the update. It's just a shame the company can not say a release date.
Walk to complain that no sales? No one will buy an OS that only has 5 languages ​​in the operating system.
And then to make matters worse go all happy to show TV ads to show MANGO, WTF? And to show new apps with MANGO ....
It's just a shame .... They lost a customer.

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Today Microsoft has treated its customers like dirt, had many days to say that today was not the day of the update. It's just a shame the company can not say a release date.
Walk to complain that no sales? No one will buy an OS that only has 5 languages ​​in the operating system.
And then to make matters worse go all happy to show TV ads to show MANGO, WTF? And to show new apps with MANGO ....
It's just a shame .... They lost a customer.
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It shows the attitude of the company. The customer is the last consideration. You can't expect anything good or satisfying from a company like that. If they can't see the dissatisfaction with what customers they do have, they certainly wouldn't consider anything the customer wants.
It seems like the customer is out of the loop as far as what MS is doing...like the customer isn't even a slight thought in their minds.

joaodaega said:
Today Microsoft has treated its customers like dirt, had many days to say that today was not the day of the update. It's just a shame the company can not say a release date.
Walk to complain that no sales? No one will buy an OS that only has 5 languages ​​in the operating system.
And then to make matters worse go all happy to show TV ads to show MANGO, WTF? And to show new apps with MANGO ....
It's just a shame .... They lost a customer.
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Mushroom management courtesy of Microsoft...again!

joaodaega said:
Today Microsoft has treated its customers like dirt, had many days to say that today was not the day of the update. It's just a shame the company can not say a release date.
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They never said it was 9/15 so what made you believe it? If I say its coming 9/17, will you believe this and blame MS if they don't deliver it by then?
They don't comment on speculation and they said before that it will come this fall and we still have summer.

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They never said it was 9/15 so what made you believe it? If I say its coming 9/17, will you believe this and blame MS if they don't deliver it by then?
They don't comment on speculation and they said before that it will come this fall and we still have summer.
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I explained this to like 5 people on Youtube earlier, received a lot of hate mail in reply lol people are complete idiots - they will make it widely known when it is getting released.

Microsoft is waiting for the iPhone 5 announcement to release Mango so that everyone pays attention to Windows Phone. Or will they?
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Microsoft is waiting for the iPhone 5 announcement to release Mango so that everyone pays attention to Windows Phone. Or will they?
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I don't know what the real deal is with the Mango release date, but intentionally trying to steal attention from Apple by releasing it on the same day (or even the same week) as the iPhone 5 would be an epic mistake. WP7 is nowhere near popular (or even well-known) enough yet to compete with the cacophony of noise that the iPhone 5 will generate. It would be analogous to dropping a small stone into a pond, trying to make more waves than someone else who is dropping a 50 pound boulder.

Iphone5??? More dumbass speculation, MS never once said 9/15... Xda is getting ridiculous, I just follow some tech news sites now, and some Wp7 dev forums here from now on
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MartyLK said:
It shows the attitude of the company. The customer is the last consideration. You can't expect anything good or satisfying from a company like that. If they can't see the dissatisfaction with what customers they do have, they certainly wouldn't consider anything the customer wants.
It seems like the customer is out of the loop as far as what MS is doing...like the customer isn't even a slight thought in their minds.
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I'd like to add to this. They pushed quite hard every developer, in an announcement, to update their app to Mango like NOW or sooner if possible !
The hell I will ! If you push a Mango update, you can't update your NoDo version anymore, forever ! So basically I don't even know when the new features I add will become available to the general public (surely not before 1-2 months for most customers) and at the same time if I find a bug in my current version I won't be able to fix, never again.
So you're asking me once more a leap of faith, even after you provided a disaster of update schedule the last (and only) time around ? You must be kidding me...
Playing hide and seek games and having cryptic (supposedly funny ?) posts with release dates after the mess they did with their first one... doesn't feel right.
State a fixed date, well in advance and honour it

well said my freind..

A lot of good logic in this thread.
To the poster who said "if I say it's the 17th, will you get mad at MS for not releasing it on the 17th?", that isn't what happened. EVERYONE for some reason thought it was the 15th. It wasn't just a few obsessed fans. It was engadget, wpcentral, etc. -everyone-. That was the rumor. And it would take 40 seconds to write a blog post saying otherwise.
Moronic public relations from Microsoft. Rule 1: OPEN COMMUNICATION.
If a rumor gets as substantial as the 15th one did, then you address, and dismiss it. You don't write (like someone above said) a cryptic tweet just to fuel more speculation.

all of yall must be idiots
they never said the 15th but yet yall hold them to it
even if they said go today your carrier would not be ready some still don't have nodo

sure haven't said:
A lot of good logic in this thread.
To the poster who said "if I say it's the 17th, will you get mad at MS for not releasing it on the 17th?", that isn't what happened. EVERYONE for some reason thought it was the 15th. It wasn't just a few obsessed fans. It was engadget, wpcentral, etc. -everyone-. That was the rumor. And it would take 40 seconds to write a blog post saying otherwise.
Moronic public relations from Microsoft. Rule 1: OPEN COMMUNICATION.
If a rumor gets as substantial as the 15th one did, then you address, and dismiss it. You don't write (like someone above said) a cryptic tweet just to fuel more speculation.
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Mostly the reason because everyone thought it was the 15th, is the absolute need for it to come out as soon as possible as it's too late already, the window is closing extremely fast.
The platform is freaking late and having a new major iteration of ios close at hand, contemporary to something that puts WP somewhere around a 2009 OS, well you get the picture...
But ultimately, it's just that being in this sh•••y situation, you would expect they would learn to communicate better with their public. It's not like you're Apple, you're the n.1, you've already made proselytises by the bucket who have never been disappointed by your products...again, this cryptic tweets and no updates make them look arrogant.

Is Windows Phone suffering from Osborne effect ?

From the day wp7 released, the next release is always hyped up and touted as 'the' release to use. Similar thing happened when Microsoft showed a sneak peek of Mango 6 months before release and people started saying that everybody should wait for mango phones. Now WP8 details have leaked and everybody says we must wait for next gen phones to buy. This seems to be an ideal case of Osborne effect, where an announcement of a future version ahead of its availability impacts sales of the current generation. What do you guys think ?
p.s : To people who have not heard about this, check out in wikipedia about osborne effect. Since i am a newbie i am not allowed to paste links in the thread.

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From the day wp7 released, the next release is always hyped up and touted as 'the' release to use. Similar thing happened when Microsoft showed a sneak peek of Mango 6 months before release and people started saying that everybody should wait for mango phones. Now WP8 details have leaked and everybody says we must wait for next gen phones to buy. This seems to be an ideal case of Osborne effect, where an announcement of a future version ahead of its availability impacts sales of the current generation. What do you guys think ?
p.s : To people who have not heard about this, check out in wikipedia about osborne effect. Since i am a newbie i am not allowed to paste links in the thread.
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rstheboss said:
From the day wp7 released, the next release is always hyped up and touted as 'the' release to use. Similar thing happened when Microsoft showed a sneak peek of Mango 6 months before release and people started saying that everybody should wait for mango phones. Now WP8 details have leaked and everybody says we must wait for next gen phones to buy. This seems to be an ideal case of Osborne effect, where an announcement of a future version ahead of its availability impacts sales of the current generation. What do you guys think ?
p.s : To people who have not heard about this, check out in wikipedia about osborne effect. Since i am a newbie i am not allowed to paste links in the thread.
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Quite true. WP was rushed to the market and it's still lacking,
so it's the only way to promote it really.

doministry said:
Quite true. WP was rushed to the market and it's still lacking,
so it's the only way to promote it really.
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Lol, dude, don't you get tired of making the same pathetically repetitive posts over and over and over. We get it, it lacks in your eyes.
Anyway, OP, I think that's every platform. I'm sure a lot of people aren't buying Kinect sensors now waiting for Kinect 2, etc.

Its called Marketing, and it happens everywhere, including on other phone platforms and even phones. So... nothing new.

ummm no it doesn't happen on other phone platforms.
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Um yes they do. Look at apple. You think engineers can really take prototypes to a bar and lose them? Not with apples Nazi like control. what MS should do though is make the statement official that all 2nd generation phones will do Apollo so peeps don't wait.
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vetvito said:
ummm no it doesn't happen on other phone platforms.
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It doesn't happen on android because android is completely fragmented. Phones are still being sold with versions of the OS from two years ago. The difference is they are all called "Android OS" no matter which version is on it. Only tech savvy know there is a difference in versions.
Apple, has a schedule'ish they follow for updates.

People are dumb and they forget that new things are always around the corner. I pre-ordered 5 Lumia 900s and we're going to enjoy the **** out of them all year at least, probably a lot longer.
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vetvito said:
ummm no it doesn't happen on other phone platforms.
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Android 4.0 is out. Now go look at all the Android phones selling every day (millions or something) and ask yourself which OS is on them?

I don't want to make this thread into a os war but what I meant was that windows phone 7 is the only os about which people are always excited about the next release and not the present. Nobody suggests to buy wp7 now because there is always something to wait for the next. I am aware that the leak about wp8 may not be intentional but it definitely affects phones like lumia 900. People who would have upgraded from first gen windows phones for the look and feel of nokia, will now wait and suggest the same to their friends - Wait for the next flagship. Nokia 1000 maybe ?

prjkthack said:
Its called Marketing, and it happens everywhere, including on other phone platforms and even phones. So... nothing new.
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I am talking about an unintentional leak of wp8. Not the marketing for current crop of phones. Any sane tech guy would suggest new buyers asking for advice to wait for wp8 or buy some other phones after this leak and the coverage/hype it got.

Ha. Now a blog post about the same topic in WMPOWERUSER with same osbourne effect exactly a couple of hours i started this thread. I think they read every other thread discussed here for their blog posts.

rstheboss said:
Nobody suggests to buy wp7 now because there is always something to wait for the next.
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I disagree. Looking at the threads where people are asking which WP to buy, I can't see people saying "wait for Windows Phone 8". Eight months is a long time to wait for a smartphone. Maybe the situation could be different if you already have a Windows Phone.
Also, I think this will affect iPhone more than Windows Phone. Over the next six months, I think you'll see more coverage / rumors about iPhone 5 than WP8.

rstheboss said:
I don't want to make this thread into a os war but what I meant was that windows phone 7 is the only os about which people are always excited about the next release and not the present. Nobody suggests to buy wp7 now because there is always something to wait for the next. I am aware that the leak about wp8 may not be intentional but it definitely affects phones like lumia 900. People who would have upgraded from first gen windows phones for the look and feel of nokia, will now wait and suggest the same to their friends - Wait for the next flagship. Nokia 1000 maybe ?
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NOPE. Rubbish.
Go look at those threads asking for which windows phone to buy?
I don't think a single post apart from the trolls would suggest waiting for next upgrade. Instead people are even suggesting Gen1 WP like HD7 or Samsung Focus. The non-android approach of WP where all handsets get upgrade for 2 years makes it a dead easy choice. Buy ANY one you like, the software will upgrade along with the release.
Hardware wise - yes unless you want NFC, Dual Cores - you would want to wait. Unlike iOS, there are huge screen, small screens, S-LCD, AMOLED, more than one OEM, different prices, different looks, same OS, same apps. Don't see what retard would want to suggest to wait, unless he owned/owns an android.

rstheboss said:
Ha. Now a blog post about the same topic in WMPOWERUSER with same osbourne effect exactly a couple of hours i started this thread. I think they read every other thread discussed here for their blog posts.
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I doubt it. The issue is being discuss on a number for forums.

rstheboss said:
I am talking about an unintentional leak of wp8. Not the marketing for current crop of phones. Any sane tech guy would suggest new buyers asking for advice to wait for wp8 or buy some other phones after this leak and the coverage/hype it got.
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I understand your point. Some people are just argumentative and ready to bash a non confirming view.
Perfect example just the responses in this thread.
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Android 4.0 is out. Now go look at all the Android phones selling every day (millions or something) and ask yourself which OS is on them?
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What does that have to do with the topic?
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magicsquid said:
I disagree. Looking at the threads where people are asking which WP to buy, I can't see people saying "wait for Windows Phone 8". Eight months is a long time to wait for a smartphone. Maybe the situation could be different if you already have a Windows Phone.
Also, I think this will affect iPhone more than Windows Phone. Over the next six months, I think you'll see more coverage / rumors about iPhone 5 than WP8.
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Reguardless of wether it effects the waiting og the ios devices, every single one of them will buy.... another iphone. 4SS, 5, whatever. Its a very simple decision.

rstheboss said:
I am talking about an unintentional leak of wp8. Not the marketing for current crop of phones. Any sane tech guy would suggest new buyers asking for advice to wait for wp8 or buy some other phones after this leak and the coverage/hype it got.
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I still see that exact same scenario with every platform, more so on Android than any other.
That being said, there is ALWAYS something better around the corner. But Windows Phone and iOS are two of the few platforms where anyone sane can say that you can get a phone now and be pretty certain that the next update or iteration can run on it. That was a major point of Windows Phone from the start, and if you are seeing the opposite, then you are probably talking to or reading threads from people who know nothing about the platform.
There is really only one platform where I tell people specifically that there is always something newer and shinier around the corner, and that's Android. Fragmentation of the platform, uncertainty about future updates and manufacturer/carrier support, along with the fact that everyone and their mother is churning out tons of different hardware at absolutely unprecedented rates are chief reasons for saying so.
Also, you've got to remember that Windows Phone being a young platform, you're going to have a lot of people talking more about its potential because it is early in it's lifetime. The same thing happened with Android and iOS. The Internet was absolutely buzzing with the potential of both platforms as they both grew and matured. Now that both platforms have somewhat matured, you don't have as much talk about the future and their potential as you used to (but it certainly still happens). The same will be for Windows Phone. As Microsoft develops and continues to expand its platform, people are going to continue to talk about its potential and its future until it gets mature enough where you won't see huge, major changes. Where every update the biggest change will be the version number, more so than the features of the platform.
Of course people are excited for Windows Phone's future and want to talk about it, but there are also many people very happy with it right now as well, its just more fun to talk about the "what ifs" and the "what could be".
Wait till something leaks about iOS 6 or Android 5.0, the same buzz about its potential and future will spike. As usual.
So again, nothing new.

Please provide a link or source to other platforms talking about a new update a half a year before release. Please.
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