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The following are the features NEEDED before I adopt WP7 as my new smartphone OS.
1. Rooted device.
2. Rooted windows share Local network access.
3. File explored => than iFile
3. Phone theme app similar to winterboard for iPhone.
4. DLNA in all forms.
5. True windows live Mesh.
6. Zune updated via explorer, no tethered or untethered syncing needed.
7. Push everything.
8. App pirating scene => apptrackr.org for iPhone.
9. Video game console emulation from all the greats.
10. IE download manager.
11. Video chat.
These needs are almost already met with my iPhone. Being a avid windows 7 and windows media center user I can see a huge advantage of adopting WP7. Devs, can u tell me how many features I can check off this list? I know some are possible with 6.x already. Feel free to add to this list for wanted features that are out of the norm.
Also I don't think I like the idea of ROM cooking. I might not understand it though, since ROM means read only memory does it mean that u have to modify your devices os before you install it in your phone? I don't like that at all. I want to be able to modify my os at anytime in explorer like u can with windows 7.
App pirating...oh yeah that's a feature that will be good for the development of the platform. Seesh, people work hard on stuff and generally charge reasonable prices to keep themselves afloat and you demand app pirating!? Dear Microsoft please allow rpoot access to the device so people can find work arounds and steal your client's good work. That's exactly the attitude which stops Microsoft from allowing root access, because its waaaaay to easy to pirate then.
What we really need is a good ad revenue generator (ie Google ads, iAds) so that innovation can be driven by the financial incentive and these guys who dev can get some well earned cash.
Anyways, whats your job? Would you like it if I asked for yur services and then you didn't get paid?
Sorry grouchy this morning. #Rant
Yea. $400 for a phone is fine but then when asked to pay $3 for an app you'll use all the time it's just too much? :facepalm:
......why the hell does a mobile browser need a download manager?
Thats what the iPhone needs to be able to download mp3s or docs from safari. I just want the ability to download a mp3 from the net in the brower and have it show up in my zune media player. The iphone requires a few jailbroken apps to achieve this at the moment.
that's native in the zune music player already you know...
1. Rooted device.
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I thought rooting was only used for android. But as far as the unlocking thing, it is device dependent. Several developers are working on finding means to give developers more freedom as well as users with wp7. but it is a work in progress and takes time.
2. Rooted windows share Local network access.
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3. Phone theme app similar to winterboard for iPhone.
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Does this really have to be said? I mean are you looking for an application that will allow user customization of the start menu like winterboard? If so see post 1. to be frank the theming for wp7 so far is okay but nothing as open as windows mobile. But again we have no idea what the device can really do. It is based on what is found and the extent of what development will lead to.
But if you want winterboard...well get the phone that has it
4. DLNA in all forms.
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Again unsure if wp7 can do that. It may be able to but no idea. We don't know
5. True windows live Mesh.
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Isn't live mesh going to be gone soon?
6. Zune updated via explorer, no tethered or untethered syncing needed.
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I dunno if that's really necessary. There may be a program for it most likely. But I don't think its needed in first generation wp7 devices. Heck I much prefer to just drag and drop my files or sync with zune anyway...
7. Push everything.
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Not everything has to be push...I think that as far as notification goes push may be a hindrance. I do prefer the old system though
8. App pirating scene => apptrackr.org for iPhone.
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yeah this is a fail...
9. Video game console emulation from all the greats.
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That is developer dependent and its tough to say what the emulation scene will be like...
10. IE download manager.
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Why!? Seriously why!? sorry but that's retarded. I mean how much are you downloading on your phone right now to substantiate a feature like that. remember, wp is the de emphasis of the phone being a computer but performing some basic tasks like all smart phones can do in a different way.
11. Video chat.
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It could be a developer making something for that. No one knows
As for the things being met for your iphone, keep your iphone =) if you honestly are looking for information on a platform that isn't released, wait a year until wp7 has some options available...
and for the point of not liking rom cooking, do you even know the process? No you don't. May wanna read up on it...
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IMHO, almost everything you listed I know personally I won't be using my phone for that. I don't mind media centric information but there is overload. For suiting my needs (clinical psychology) I may need to browse some psychology databases, a dedicated pdf reader, an ebook reader, the ability to record notes from class, patient intake, and so on. But again specifics differ according to user of the device.
Thanks for the info domineus, what I mean by "Rooted windows share Local network access." is the abiltiy for my phone's whole file system to show up when I click on the network in explorer on one of the PCs in my house. The iPhone does this with ubuntu when it is jailbroken right now. Also I want the abiltity to telnet/ssh into all my home network PCs to move files around and delete them or whatever. Basicly I want total control of my home network in the command line. This feature is lacking with my iPhone right now. I bet telneting is possible in windows mobile 6.x right now isn't it?
As far as the download manager thing goes. I don't know what u use your phone for but I am constantly getting new mp3s, pics, video, and docs offline everyday. The itunes library on the phone is encrypted right now so u can't just drop and drag in iFile to add to the itunes library. Also the default safari you can't save target as to get the file. I think you can with windows mobile 6.x though, I did it at work once. Half the time I'm not around a pc to sync anyways, I feel like tethered syncing is a chore. I am pretty sure you can't "save target as" in IE with the WP7 emulator.
Yeah Ive decided....you should get the iPhone...Im pretty happy to see how the community goes but for you to make demands a lot of which are stupid or overly tailored to your specific needs and hence serve no purpose on a public forum, well thats pretty darn silly.
gotta agree its a bit solipsistic
especially on a platform that is newly developed and IMHO we have no idea how its going to develop or the clientele requirements
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[...]Also I want the abiltity to telnet/ssh into all my home network PCs to move files around and delete them or whatever. Basicly I want total control of my home network in the command line. This feature is lacking with my iPhone right now. I bet telneting is possible in windows mobile 6.x right now isn't it?[...]
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Uhm, telnet? Yes, through 3rdparty apps of course. Telnet is a very simple thing to use, but you still need somewhere to telnet TO and something responding on the other end (on your computer(s)). So, the "feature" you want is not something that is related to the device, but rather something you need to setup on your LAN. You would only need a telnetapp on your device
Though I must say... Unless I was in a DIRE need for exposing my WHOLE system for outside access I would NEVER even dream of using a telnetserver on ANY of my systems (except on my linuxbox, hehe). Its a disaster waiting to happen There are fare better choices to use than telnet.
Regarding the file-sharing (SMB) you spoke of. Even if we disregard the fact that SMB is not a very secure protocol, the main thing that speaks against that MS would incorporate such a feature is... since MS doesnt even provide filesystem-access ON the device, why should they do it through SMB? I am pretty sure you can forget that one, at least out-of-the-box, maybe if its unlocked and through some obscure 3rdpartyapp.
Just my two cents...
Moving to general.
Skatingn330 said:
The following are the features NEEDED before I adopt WP7 as my new smartphone OS.
1. Rooted device.
2. Rooted windows share Local network access.
3. File explored => than iFile
3. Phone theme app similar to winterboard for iPhone.
4. DLNA in all forms.
5. True windows live Mesh.
6. Zune updated via explorer, no tethered or untethered syncing needed.
7. Push everything.
8. App pirating scene => apptrackr.org for iPhone.
9. Video game console emulation from all the greats.
10. IE download manager.
11. Video chat.
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1. Might happen, but a strange requirement
2. Don't understand this one?
3. You're not getting this, the phone don't have a traditional filesystem.
3_. You're not getting this either.
4. Microsoft is a promoter of DLNA
5. It's being merged to SkyDrive, and is supported at launch
6. Won't be possible with the explorer, but it will with the Zune desktop client.
7. The notification-system is based on push.
8. Microsoft is a large company with a long history of anti-piracy. You'll might get in trouble here
9. Write some XNA wrapper for it then!
10. I'd suspect there will be a form of management of downloads and downloaded files.
11. None of the 1. generation phones have a camera on the front side, so you'll have to wait. But software-wise it's supported from day one.
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Though I must say... Unless I was in a DIRE need for exposing my WHOLE system for outside access I would NEVER even dream of using a telnetserver on ANY of my systems (except on my linuxbox, hehe). Its a disaster waiting to happen There are fare better choices to use than telnet.
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Im pretty new to networking but wouldnt using a VPN serve the purpose of what he is wanting? Im not familiar with telnet hardly at all (expect for watching star wars episode 4 that i stumbled across google, haha) but it sounds like a VPN would do what hes looking for. Which WM, the iphone (from what i understand anyways), and im hoping WP7 does. Plus its much MUCH more secure then telnet in even its most basic form of PPTP.
I am a big fan of WP7 waiting this from a year or more ... but i will not buy a device don't include a way to send or receive data between devices
this list is for make sure which is real ... which is fake .. which is not important
WP7 disadvantages List
- No system-wide file manager
TouchXplorer
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- No Bluetooth file transfers
TouchXplorer
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- No USB mass storage mode
Windows Phone Device Manager
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Microsoft updates Early 2011
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- Custom ringtones
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- No copy/paste
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- HTML5
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- Cards not readable by computer
- Record calls & sounds
- Video Calling
- VoIP Calling
- No music player equalisers
- All sensors stuff
- MyPhone Support
- search in contact
Must Have Apps List
* IM Application ( Numbuzz.. facebook,WLM,Skype ....... chat )
* Interface (Something like CHT)
* E-Book (Collect PDF From ur memory and arrange it to be easily readed)
* FM Transmitter
* RingTone Creator
* Quick Call
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Main disadvantages
No system-wide file manager only a disadvantage to people like us, most people don't care
No videocalling
Limited third-party apps availability
No Bluetooth file transfers Without the file manager this is kinda pointless
No USB mass storage mode see previous answer
No multitasking it is there in a limited fashion, though right now only for the windows stuff (Zune, IE etc) but may be opened up to others in the future
No copy/paste slated to be in the first update in early (Jan) 2011
Too dependent on Zune software for computer file management and syncing I actually like this one, Zune can handle pictures, music, video, podcasts...what more do you need really?
No music player equalisers I'm sure someone will come up with an app.
No Flash or Silverlight support in the web browser it will be there eventually.
No sign of free Bing maps Navigation so far I hope this comes along soon, rumor is in the first update in Jan.
No DivX/XviD video support I'm not even sure what these file formats are as I have never needed them.
No internet tethering support this will probably have to be through an app from the carrier sadly.
New ringtones available only through the Marketplace I don't know where people heard this one...
Swapping memory card requires hard reset; cards not readable by computer from what I hear this is true, the memory is exandable, but not removable...
Which is true with is faulse ?
Which will fixed by later updates ?
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see the red answers above.
alot of your answers hinge on things coming in the future. And on that note most done even have an exact release date.
this is true, but it is confirmed about the copy/paste, rumored about the nav. MS wanted to have a nice stable solid base OS before they went crazy with the options I am guessing.
can i record calls & sounds?
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turn by turn
fast app switching
and c&p
all headed in next updae in jan. most likely we will see apps stating to be able to run in the background as well, and "Multi tasking" is stated to be in the near future...
source -> http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/windows-phone-7-update-in-january-may-bring-turn-by-turn-gps ' '
* is there is a file manager ...but not system-wide ... or no file manager at all
* Bluetooth file transfers ... is this mean i can't send or receives files by bluetooth ? so how can i share files / picture/music ... with my friends
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* is there is a file manager ...but not system-wide ... or no file manager at all
* Bluetooth file transfers ... is this mean i can't send or receives files by bluetooth ? so how can i share files / picture/music ... with my friends
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The only "file manager" is the zune desktop app which manages media. There is no way to access files/folders on the phone. Each app has it's own isolated file system.
Email/SMS. I've never heard of anyone ever using bluetooth file transfers.
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The only "file manager" is the zune desktop app which manages media. There is no way to access files/folders on the phone. Each app has it's own isolated file system.
Email/SMS. I've never heard of anyone ever using bluetooth file transfers.
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On rare occasion I have done BT file transfer, usually when I am sending a .cab from my phone to my sisters or something, but that is a rarity.
You're joking right? I use BT file transfers pretty regularly. From my phone to my laptops and other phones. In fact last time I used it was just a few days ago to send some ring tones to a friend's mobile.
So I guess by saying there is no BT transfers means MS have gone down the Apple route of locking down the BT to just headsets and handsfree kits or am I mistaken in that assumption?
Never used it, never had the inclination to use it, never heard of anyone using it. Why not just email or SMS whatever it is you're trying to send?
"The provided Bluetooth profiles are Hand-Free Profile (HFP), Headset Profile (HSP), Advanced Audio Distribution Profile (A2DP), and Phone Book Access Profile (PBAP)."
I think a major disadvantage is the fact that they have not even integrated HTML5 into their browser as even the iPhone has that. Hopefully more sites will use HTML5 instead of Flash as I have an Android device and I find flash to be quite slow and buggy at times. Its good that they have announced that they will be bringing c&p as thats a needed feature.
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I think a major disadvantage is the fact that they have not even integrated HTML5 into their browser as even the iPhone has that. Hopefully more sites will use HTML5 instead of Flash as I have an Android device and I find flash to be quite slow and buggy at times. Its good that they have announced that they will be bringing c&p as thats a needed feature.
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I am sure the html5 and silverlight will make it's way into the browser, they just want to get it functional and solid first. Can't have EVERYTHING right away. I think what is there now is a great foundation.
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I think a major disadvantage is the fact that they have not even integrated HTML5 into their browser as even the iPhone has that. Hopefully more sites will use HTML5 instead of Flash as I have an Android device and I find flash to be quite slow and buggy at times. Its good that they have announced that they will be bringing c&p as thats a needed feature.
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I don't see how that's a major disadvantage given that we live in real reality and not Job's reality. HTML 5 will be important one day...today isn't that day. It's not ready for primetime. IE9 will start to be ported over into wp7, I'd be shocked if it's not up by the end of next year, and HTML5 still won't be a prevalent force on the web by then either.
Also, once they expand the API or allow other browser developers to get native access, then we may very well see HTML5 via those browsers.
I wonder what kind of security apps Microsoft will allow. I would like an app like Throttle lock on my phone over a pin # lock.
No USB mass storage or being able to swap out sd cards without hard resetting is an inconvenience. I'm often at a friend house and may want a file that's too big to email. It's easier to insert my card into their laptop, drag & drop a 5 gb file in the proper place on my sd card & take it home to place on my pc later. If some takes a long hd video with a flip cam, I rather them place it on my sd card than have them burn it to disc or shrink it & email it.
Copy & Paste is supposed to be available by the time Sprint gets a WM7 phone so I cant complain about that.
Too dependant on Zune software is an issue when wanting files from someone else PC that doesnt have Zune software.
No internet tethering support is a big issue for me.
Flash support isn't an issue if they allow 3rd party browsers, I would use Skyfire for WM7 if there is one available by the Sprint launch.
Dvix/Xvid support would be a plus but not a deal breaker.
Silverlight would be a plus as well but not a deal breaker either.
With no system wide file explorer, does that mean there will be no way to hide certain pics & videos from being found by someone else looking into the phone?
USB mass storage and file explorer are very important on my list. This is quite a disappointment.
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USB mass storage and file explorer are very important on my list. This is quite a disappointment.
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Just look at Engadget review.
Basically everything what was described before.
Lack of multitasking to crazy extent - 3rd party apps are OFF even after just lockscreen.
Apps are also buggy, the ones from Marketplace.
Copy & Paste.........
You can't escape those things.
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Just look at Engadget review.
Basically everything what was described before.
Lack of multitasking to crazy extent - 3rd party apps are OFF even after just lockscreen.
Apps are also buggy, the ones from Marketplace.
Copy & Paste.........
You can't escape those things.
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The app thing is a bit crazy if true...we'll have to wait a bit longer as other reviewers are not saying the same thing...
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Never used it, never had the inclination to use it, never heard of anyone using it. Why not just email or SMS whatever it is you're trying to send?
"The provided Bluetooth profiles are Hand-Free Profile (HFP), Headset Profile (HSP), Advanced Audio Distribution Profile (A2DP), and Phone Book Access Profile (PBAP)."
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Sorry mate but what kind of idiotic argument it is??!!
If I stand next to somebody or next to my own computer and want to send a file
why the hell should I email this?! I send it by BT! It's simpler, faster and OBVIOUS SINCE WE HAVE 2010, and bluetooth is known for ages!
It's hilarious you're trying to justify every stupid limitation by MS,
and if you're not having argument than you say you don't use it.
Knock knock. Most of the people never had inclination to use a smartphone,
should we abandon this?
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The app thing is a bit crazy if true...we'll have to wait a bit longer as other reviewers are not saying the same thing...
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You don't think they've made it up, do you?
Sad, but that may be possible that the really functional WP7 will be available around end of 2011.
I won't wait that long. And many users once they find the limitations won't hesitate from switching.
About 2 weeks ago, I took johnkussack's advice (I think it was him) and went to LinkedIn to try t be friends with anyone who came up on the search for "kin phone". In the invite email, I just said that I noticed they worked on the Kin phones and would like to ask them a few questions on how one could write to the phone. I have had 3 responses in the last 2 days.
Guy1: didn't know because he worked on the UI for the Kin Studio
Guy2: kindly told me he couldn't release an unauthorized build and that he would be breaking the law by doing so.
Guy3: This guy worked on the phone for over a year. He first told me I was breaking the DCMA by hacking/reverse engineering Kin, regardless of intent. Then he said this important thing:
"You are absolutely right in assuming that the device is locked; in fact, it has a hardware lock that is common to many such devices. When the devices roll of the manufacturing line the programming fuses are blown (literally) preventing any further programming of the device. This is all handled by hardware so unless you find a flaw with that you are out of luck."
So if this is true (sounds like it is), the "dream" is over. Hopefully there is some way that someone out there can find.
If I get more responses, I will post them here. Don't ask me to go back to these three who already replied and asked them more questions, I think I made some of them mad.
Hmmmm... I don't know whether or not the KIN models will accept OTA updates so that's a good question to ask. If OTA updates are possible then it's inherently possible to change the software. I wonder...
Yes, it was me the one who said about "linkedin".
But i also said "in one word NDA". You should known even before ask that the signed NDA are also legal contracts, so i prevented before asking them.
On the DCMA, yes.. on the USA. Outside the big country, the legal question is different and may not operate with that law. (if ever). If they provide a normal (legal?) way to unbrick my factory mode here, or to use the phone options, then i wait for the cost for it.
And everyone knew that hardware was not the way, just at the moment where first flash attempt failed. "Dream" is doable by software, if anything is to be done.
What i don't get is why to ask for rom rom roooooms, where we need drivers drivers driveeeeers... or sdk's. We won't get it anyway from MS, but no flashing means a rom is futile, non useful,crap pack of bytes.
But i also said "in one word NDA". You should known even before ask that the signed NDA are also legal contracts, so i prevented before asking them.
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I figured I just take a shot in the dark; hope for the best and expect the worst. Since the phone and suuport from MS was discontinued, maybe the NDAs would be voided.
And everyone knew that hardware was not the way, just at the moment where first flash attempt failed. "Dream" is doable by software, if anything is to be done.
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Good to know you still think there's a way.
What i don't get is why to ask for rom rom roooooms, where we need drivers drivers driveeeeers... or sdk's. We won't get it anyway from MS, but no flashing means a rom is futile, non useful,crap pack of bytes.
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I just asked if "there is a way to get around the write lock". Had I known ahead of time to ask about drivers or SDKs, I would have put that in the msg.
I strongly believe that we could operate with the device,softwarewise. there is proof that the kin NAND memory (for now on, called "Storage" as label) is writeable. Not sure on the Rom part.
Of course, i mean.. just use it as a normal writable storage memory.
I posted how it could be done and would do it myself but, again, i bricked my phone, and available ones (through bidding sites) are so expensive to buy another one just for this (+ $150). Don't see a way to get it internationally again.
And even doing it, i'm not sure about what could be done just writing on the storage mem....
If the fuse byte is burn't should not it have prevented you from bricking?
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If the fuse byte is burn't should not it have prevented you from bricking?
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Nvitem bricked, not flashing bricked. You can succesfully write to the NVItems memory. But i guess it's just configuration memory and not the one "fused".
I just want to mention that jailbreaking a phone is NOT illegal in the United States! Geohot hacked the iphone... Apple went after him... Apple lost.
Also blowing the programming fuses seems a little fishy to me actually. No other phone does that. The majority of other phones have been flashed. I just think it would be pretty odd for a company to do that so that they no longer could update it. I am not sure I believe him. If this really was true... then why wouldn't Apple or Sony be doing it? This also doesn't make sense since Microsoft actually originally intended on putting WP7 on this as well as allowing apps for it. Check this article out:
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/05/12/kin-windows-phone-7-a-lot-closer-than-we-thought/
you must understand, its not possible to blow fuses in the hardware, it would be a top news story if they were able to keep the OS running in complience with the flash memory without it crashing. Obviously that was a lie to discourage us, and i dont even think that was a real kin developer, because microsoft clearly stated that all kin developers would be moved to WP7 or another programming section. And it doesnt matter if its legal or not to jailbrake phones, if we are porting a new OS, we wouldnt have modified the original OS, which is what jailbraking means. Most likely the OS is hidden deep in the flash memory with a write - protection. If you think its saying access denied because they said the fuses were blown, its wrong. They must just have a password or code that needs to be sent continuasly to the phone to access files. If the fuses were blown, then nothing would be able to be accessed by zune, because it would be impossible to reach the memory.
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Most likely the OS is hidden deep in the flash memory with a write - protection. If you think its saying access denied because they said the fuses were blown, its wrong. They must just have a password or code that needs to be sent continuasly to the phone to access files. If the fuses were blown, then nothing would be able to be accessed by zune, because it would be impossible to reach the memory.
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Not my expertise field, but this mobiles can (and in fact they do) have several memories, storing the OS in the ROM memory and all the data on the NAND memory (our "8gb" storage).
Zune software has protocols to query for available storages (requiring its label/id) and is allowed to write/read to it. If you dare to click on update version (at least in the 1st version I tried) it expressed that the option was not "available" to that device without web requesting data, apparently.
So.. in the nand flash we may only have the equivalent of a SD Card. And my last wince PDA showed that as /Storage too, apart from main wince ROM.
You can format the nand memory using win explorer if in fact it is the 8gig storage. I did this and it deleted all pics,albums etc. It was interesting to note that we cannot copy or view these pics without an access error but it does let me delete them.
I just wan't to be able to get my pics off this piece of crap without emailing them.
I posted it once. You are able to:
- Query storage properties (label, size, id,...)
- Query storage folders
- Query folder files.
- Query tracks / albums / playlist / images / anyZuneSupportedFile
- Delete * file (whatever)
- Format the storage
You are "unable" to:
- Upload (create) a file into the device
- Download a file from the device.
MTP protocol tools allows you to do so, from command line (not quite sure if they are available on Win32 OS's), but... fails to operate with this device when it comes to the "unavailable" operations.
I am curious as to which former developers you contacted?
I was doing some research and noticed that Microsoft acquired the company Danger, Inc. After Microsoft purchased them, the former president of Danger went to develop Android (later acquired by Google). One thing I read was that most of Dangers employees left after being purchased by Microsoft. Apparently these people don't like Microsoft all that much! I also looked into it a little more and found one of the founders of Danger who had a twitter account. Of course all of his tweets were via a "KIN". Thought that was interesting. It seems to me that these former Danger employees would be interested in helping out if they don't hold to high of an esteem for the big "M".
seems like this is your first "inside the move" trying-to-hack/reverse a thing, so i will say:
people involved doesnt wanna risk through legal issues, even if they were pissed off, just for "some kids" to have a driver or rom. NDA are strong there, and they could either sign them or leave (if leaving, they don't have the interesting things).
At most you would get bad-mood or good-luck comments, and ocassionaly (very uncommon), leaks (wont happen here).
yeah, they purchased danger for an amazing 500 million dollars, which they later developed the kin with it, they were planning to put windows phone 7 on it, but they were to behind and released it with the old windows CE, then the former developer moved to work on a free source OS, later called android. Google wanted to get android while it was cheap, so they bought that company, and made the old developer as 2nd engineer.
Maybe not worth yet, but we should get more *info* about the SBL mode (aka "Ms Pink Bootstrap), as coinflipper said that it was the way to flash OS or parts (like radio's).
I have been trying even OMA wap WBXML bootstrap examples with it, but as we dont know if our phone is standard, it's like looking for a water drop in the sea of possibilities.
We do not need a guide on how to do something, but what-to-do with it.
Maybe, JUST MAYBE, we could design a program like bitpim. I am a mac user and when I used bitpim with my enV touch, I used to edit all sorts of files. Examples would be phone info, server info etc. We could make a program like that to get the info. I know programming may be hard, but its worth a shot. I hate the OS on this phone, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU PIN APPS! THEY LOOK HORRIBLE
Kinuser1 said:
Maybe, JUST MAYBE, we could design a program like bitpim. I am a mac user and when I used bitpim with my enV touch, I used to edit all sorts of files.
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We can't. If we have not the protocols or the supported phone features (protocols, drivers, documentation,...) you cannot guess it and put it into visual basic (or Xcode) and then by *magic*get the program you want.
i will admit that i know very little about protocols and drivers but i would like to point out that bitpim is open source, and that the code can be found here ->
http-//sourceforge.net/scm/?type=svn&group_id=75211 (change "-" to ":")
i seem to recall bitpim already having limited support for the kin, but perhaps with a little research and a little code tweaking we can find ways to improve it? i'm not sure how feasable it is as i have very little experience with programming for phones/usb devices, but it's just a thought.
slimeq said:
i will admit that i know very little about protocols and drivers but i would like to point out that bitpim is open source, and that the code can be found here ->
http-//sourceforge.net/scm/?type=svn&group_id=75211 (change "-" to ":")
i seem to recall bitpim already having limited support for the kin, but perhaps with a little research and a little code tweaking we can find ways to improve it? i'm not sure how feasable it is as i have very little experience with programming for phones/usb devices, but it's just a thought.
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We can't. If we have not the protocols or the supported phone features (protocols, drivers, documentation,...) you cannot guess it and put it into visual basic (or Xcode) and then by *magic*get the program you want.
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The above applies to any software you want. Unless you magically found documentation or files (like OP), there's no way to. So f#cked.
The thing is always the same, tweaking tweaking... what to tweak, huh?
I generally don't care so much about not being able to:
1. transfer sms and contacts TO sim
2. sync doc, txt, and pdf files, offline, through Zune
3. sync flac or divx files
4. make an offline backup of contacts or of the whole phone configuration
5. create new accent colors
6. toggle wifi/gps/3g data/bluetooth with a single tap from the home screen
7. dictate sms or other speech orders in my native language
etc...
All of the above limitations (and some more) can be tolerable at some degree because of WP7 general superiority in other levels.
BUT...
I'm really pissed off with Microsoft...They have totally abandoned open market phones...First, we had a major error with Mango for LG update, that forced some people to flash a new official rom in order to get it. I never got a tethering update for my open LG and now I don't even get the latest official 7740 update. I don't f$%^ care about carriers. I bought an officially OPEN device and I demand support, or else they can stop selling us illusions...
Muvolt said:
I generally don't care so much about not being able to:
1. transfer sms and contacts TO sim
2. sync doc, txt, and pdf files, offline, through Zune
3. sync flac or divx files
4. make an offline backup of contacts or of the whole phone configuration
5. create new accent colors
6. toggle wifi/gps/3g data/bluetooth with a single tap from the home screen
7. dictate sms or other speech orders in my native language
etc...
All of the above limitations (and some more) can be tolerable at some degree because of WP7 general superiority in other levels.
BUT...
I'm really pissed off with Microsoft...They have totally abandoned open market phones...First, we had a major error with Mango for LG update, that forced some people to flash a new official rom in order to get it. I never got a tethering update for my open LG and now I don't even get the latest official 7740 update. I don't f$%^ care about carriers. I bought an officially OPEN device and I demand support, or else they can stop selling us illusions...
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Blame your OEM, not Microsoft for not getting tethering. They are the ones delivering the proper drivers needed for tethering to be enabled. The feature is already built in in Mango. Concerning 7740 you're right. But it has been released when? Yesterday? No update so far has reached all users at the same time. It has always taken a few weeks until every single Windows Phone user out there received an update. Knowing that 7740 won't change much, I personally do not really care about when I will receive it.
So far I didn´t get the latest 7740 update either, but I installed it manually with cab sender.
The official 7740 update you can download here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1306415
contable said:
So far I didn´t get the latest 7740 update either, but I installed it manually with cab sender.
The official 7740 update you can download here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1306415
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It doesn't fix the keyboard disappearing issue, so it's pretty much useless. This is by far the biggest annoyance for me right now. Keyboard disappears 10+ times when i'm typing a SMS. And in some apps you can't bring back the keyboard by touching the input box. I have to copy/paste and try again.
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Blame your OEM, not Microsoft for not getting tethering. They are the ones delivering the proper drivers needed for tethering to be enabled. The feature is already built in in Mango. Concerning 7740 you're right. But it has been released when? Yesterday? No update so far has reached all users at the same time. It has always taken a few weeks until every single Windows Phone user out there received an update. Knowing that 7740 won't change much, I personally do not really care about when I will receive it.
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You are right here, but this wouldn't have happened if Microsoft had put strict rules around its ecosystem. It's unacceptable for such a unified quality concept to have basic specs like tethering, managed almost randomly (at will) by the OEMs without Microsoft's supervision. LG has released the firmware for branded phones (so, there is no arguing here that they couldn't have released it because of hardware restrictions) and totally rejected all of those people who have open phones. WHO controls this type of marketing anarchy around one of the most innovative, popular products of the world?
I'm shocked by this management attitude, because I'm a Microsoft customer for over 18 years and I know very well that they are aces in product support. As I mentioned earlier, ιn my first post, this is not the only fault Ι've been through and I'm looking forward to see this company measuring its actions with responsibility and care but, right now I'm totally disappointed.
contable said:
So far I didn´t get the latest 7740 update either, but I installed it manually with cab sender.
The official 7740 update you can download here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1306415
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is cab sender only for htc? says I need zune wmdu 4.8.2134
contable said:
So far I didn´t get the latest 7740 update either, but I installed it manually with cab sender.
The official 7740 update you can download here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1306415
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Thanks a lot for this info!
2 threads about the same thing....?
Bla Bla Bla... Close thread, waste of space.
norgan said:
Bla Bla Bla... Close thread, waste of space.
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It's a general WP7 discussion place and you should be more polite sir.
Dr.8820 said:
2 threads about the same thing....?
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I have made one in the specific LG e900 forum as well, because I use an open LG device, so, the discussion exists in two places to be seen by people who have as well as those who don't have an LG device, but they do have an open device with similar problems.
Muvolt said:
I have made one in the specific LG e900 forum as well, because I use an open LG device, so, the discussion exists in two places to be seen by people who have as well as those who don't have an LG device, but they do have an open device with similar problems.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1352887
That would be post number three then... Sometimes i dont understand why there is all this hate on this board. Isnt this supposed to be where people come together to innovate and find new ways to use their devices? Not to complain about what they have without contributing anything...
I was referring to this thread, about 10 down from this one...but carry on, I thought it was groundhog's day.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1352887
contable said:
So far I didn´t get the latest 7740 update either, but I installed it manually with cab sender.
The official 7740 update you can download here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1306415
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Can you help me with this? I tried the instructions carefully but it doesn't work says No Update files
The problem? No money because wp not selling so no updates.... microsoft dont work for free....
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i don't understand this thread. is there any actual evidence that they're abandoning open market phones?
Hi, is there a hack to get the old people hub on w10mobile? Prior to creators update, I could use Facebook connect. I am annoyed that it doesn't work even after I use the original MSFT version of Facebook (worked on my hp elite x3 until cu)
People hub appx ?
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Hi, is there a hack to get the old people hub on w10mobile? Prior to creators update, I could use Facebook connect. I am annoyed that it doesn't work even after I use the original MSFT version of Facebook (worked on my hp elite x3 until cu)
People hub appx ?
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Is it possible to have even an older version of the "people app" on the latest w10m build? I just want the ppl app prior to creators update.
Hi. I wanted to fix it too. When i recover the system with windows device recovery tool things work and i always keep Microsoft Fbook app syincing just fine. The problem is that SO autoupdates itself from build to build. I copy data of apps with app data manager tool to try to get conclusions about it. I assume the problem is created on other apps that connect the info from FB to people. My best clue is the app named Content delivery manager. I tried to restore it but it fails.. when i try to recover this app with previous backup it also erases FBOOK to install but then it stops without ending the process.. I would need to inject it somehow to prove my theory. Info can pass through but not in the actual updated state of out OS.
Thanks, yes super frustrating that they intentionally continue to rip out the functions that kept the OS unique. My only guess us that they're trying to get rid of us.
saq333 said:
Thanks, yes super frustrating that they intentionally continue to rip out the functions that kept the OS unique. My only guess us that they're trying to get rid of us.
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Certainly makes you wonder. Im almost waiting for the day they flip an invisible switch and make the phones unable to connect to anything including your cell provider forcing us to ditch our bricks. They already forced the 8.1's to be unable to sync the MS accounts for months now. If that happens, i dont know what ill do, cause i refuse to use Android or iOS. Maybe ill find a flip phone...
do you thing they care any more ?
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do you thing they care any more ?
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Certainly not. For them to abandon for "iOS and Android app development" shows they give exactly two ****s about their users. I really wish i was a share holder...
When they moved away from WinMo for WP they really screwed up, but the users were *****ing for an OS that could run Win32 apps, so they gave us something "more powerful" but what they thought would compete with iOS and Android, which is completely backwards. If it werent for WinMo those two wouldnt be around. No Mac user ever complained that Apple didnt have a phone/OS and Google was just a search engine. Now granted, technology and progress dictate SOME change, but most 6.5 users loved it (I didnt, i think 6.1 was the best PPC version) only complaining about the hardware. I mean really, the HD1 was the pinnacle of hw? But, it could run Android, XP and WP7.8 (IIRC someone got RT to boot on it once or twice?), i never understood why MS was "happy" with HTC being the only HW developer until WP8. I would LOVE to see what a CE based WinMo 10 would do on a 950 spec HW. Prob run Win32 apps finally...