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Touch PRO 2 with UMTS 850/2100 MHZ

hi guys,
check this out..
http://personaldigital.com.au/p171/HTC-Touch-PRO-2-T7373-850-Mhz-NEXTG-%21%21-PRO2/buy.html

It has those frequencies selectable out of the box on any version I believe.

no, you are taking about the GSM bands
i was talking about the UMTS/ WCDMA 850/2100
Most versions WORLDWIDE are 900/2100
850 is the AT&T (USA) and Telstra (Australia) 3G Bands

I am under the impression AT&T and Rogers/Fido also use the 1900mhz for downloads. The 850 bands is only the "upload" band.

Yeah, but paying around 400 dollars more for an 850mhz band you must REALLY want it.

Wait a second
I know att uses the 850 and 1900 bands for 3g but I never heard that the 1900 band is for downloading and the 850 band is for uploading. Is this true? Can anyone confirm this 100%?
I was holding off buying the samsung omnia II because it only had the 1900.
Unless I am mistaken, when do you really need to upload anything on a mobile phone?
I hope someone can confirm this asap because then I can get an omnia now instead of waiting for att to release the tp2.

I have a hard time finding a credible source that explains the use of the two separate Bands but I saw it mentioned more then one time.
Anyone got a source with Provider/Bands/Usage, it would be a great tool.
If the bands really serve separate function it's a problem because upload is essential to downloading because you need to tell the server what you want to received hehe.
So 3G band are the following: T-Mo uses 1700/2100, this phone would be a 850/2100, ATT would be 850/1900, Europe would mostly be 900/2100, etc.

at&t has two separate 3G bands; 850 and 1900 mhz. these two bands are independent of each other and each one does upload/download. (this is unlike tmobile which uses 1700 for download and 2100 for upload i believe). So the best thing is to figure out what area you are in; most areas are mixed with 850 and 1900 and some areas are only one or the other. At&t is making a move towards more 850mhz because it is the better penetrating band. I know in south florida it is mostly 850mhz with a little bit of 1900 in miami. Hence why my old Nokia E51 (has 850 and 2100 mhz 3G, like the Telus TP2) worked perfectly down here on 3G. hope this clarifies it

Thanks for the input.
I gotta see what`s the deal with Rogers/Fido in Montreal!

argoldst said:
I know att uses the 850 and 1900 bands for 3g but I never heard that the 1900 band is for downloading and the 850 band is for uploading. Is this true? Can anyone confirm this 100%?
I was holding off buying the samsung omnia II because it only had the 1900.
Unless I am mistaken, when do you really need to upload anything on a mobile phone?
I hope someone can confirm this asap because then I can get an omnia now instead of waiting for att to release the tp2.
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I have a Touch HD from Telstra, i am using it on ATT in CA, it only has 850 for 3g, and it works for both, up and download. My area has mostly 850 and some 1900, I get 3g almost everywhere. works great.

Not worth it. I'm sure the AT&T version will be out within 2 months.
You will end up paying $500-$600 just to have a half-working one up to 2 months early. Its not even unbranded.

That's wrong. According to that page (and others), the Telstra version is a bit over a thousand dollars, not just 400-500 US. And you're right, seems the AT&T version will be out in October.

I mean $500-$600 more than the AT&T version.

your missing the worth
the point is you'll get the original HTC device included with the front facing camera the original keyboard none of the filler apps (that slow down the phone) and the sleeker look with out posibly loosing the straight talk technology. who knows what att will remove to save on cost.

Its already been shown. It loses the front camera and the keyboard arrangement is different. And it has an AT&T logo. Do you really want to pay $500 more just to not have that little logo? The front camera is useless in the U.S. and the keyboard is just different, not worst. Flash the original ROM or any cooked ROM and all your software issues (and lockouts) are gone. Plus with the AT&T version, you have access to super fast replacements if anything were to happen.

Heck, for that price you could possibly buy both the US and the European version, getting coverage basically everywhere in the world

[Q] AT&T Tilt2 on T-Mobile no 3G or HSDPA only Edge

Looked everywhere but have only found a few comments mainly regarding the AT&T network.
I have a AT&T branded Tilt-2 with TP2_Core_Cell_Evo_V3.1_(23127) and am on the T-mobile network.
In my area we have HSDPA and 3G, and my HTC 3G Dash shows those connections and runs from 583K up to 898K.
My Tilt2 on the other hand runs between 36K and a max of 156K (usually its under 50K)
I have tried everything and a ton of different radios and nothing seems to help.
I can't believe I am the only one, and I am sure its in the forum but I havent been able to find it and I have been looking for 2 days now. Does ANYONE know if there is a solution to this or am I stuck with a great looking phone and ROM that is slower than my old HTC Universal.
So I am starting this thread with the keywords in the title to help others find the info/help/cab/settings to fix this issue.
Any help would be appreciated..
Charles

Can I assume from the deafening silence that there is no solution and this would be why I couldn't find anything when I was searching all over the forums.

I thought AT&T and T-mobile use different bands for their 3G...haven't met anyone yet that can switch between these two and get the others' 3G service to work on the phone from the other...only Edge.

Yep, 3G are are different bands and AT&T's unique.
Most likely, hardware limit and T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 version is what you wanted.
However, for my Tilt 2, I use AT&T Prepaid Pay-as-you-go and get full 3G service and for $20 get 30 days of 100MB data at full speed. The Pay-as-you-go offers a $3.00 per day for unlimited calls during 24 hour period when you choose plan.

But the settings on the phone even show the 2100MHZ band and other stuff.. thought quad band phones were useable on all GSM networks. I guess that must mean the phones are but not the data portion of the phone.
So it would seem I have a really nice looking phone thats about as functional as a Windows 7 computer with a 56K dialup modem. Great...
Anyone on AT&T and have a T-mobile Touch Pro2 that they would like to swap with me.

when you talk about gsm (gprs/edge/2g), there are 4 bands and pretty much all devices can work on those. when it comes to umts (3g/hspa encap) thats where proprietary bands come in. word wide you will have the 900 and 2100 bands, att uses the 850 and 1900 bands, and tmobile uses 1700. what bands a phone is capable of running on depends on the baseband hardware in the phone. theres no way to change this without basically swapping the phone out for the carrier branded device.
cdma like sprint and verizon is another monster...

cdgoin said:
thought quad band phones were useable on all GSM networks.
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They do, but working and working optimally are 2 different things. You should always buy a phone to work on the network you use regularly, and be happy it works at all on others when you travel.

Live and learn..
I wonder if anyone out there in the community has a TouchPro2 that they got for use on AT&T and would like to swap..?
Charles

Can't get 3G Either
I'm using an unlocked HTC Touch Pro 2 (Euro Version) on T-Mobile and can only get Edge. The funny hting is that T-mobile is stumped on the issue even though they've seen that I'm using an HTC Touch Pro 2, not the branded T-Mo version. I just started looking into hardware differences tonight and will post whatever I find. I'm glad you started the thread.

T-Mobile HSPA bands
Just confirmed my suspicions.
The branded T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 operates on HSPA/WCDMA on the following bands: 1700/2100 MHz.
The HTC Touch Pro 2 (unbranded) operates on HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz.
So, if you want 3G, you need to stick with the T-Mobile branded phone.
Wow...I never thought I'd hear myself saying those words. *sigh* =(

I actually have a t-mobile branded HTC Touch Pro 2 I use on ATT, if you really wanna swap I'm totally down for that. My email is [email protected] shoot me a message and lets work out how to go about this.

[Q] Does this phone work with Bell Mobility in Canada?

Does anyone use this phone with Bell in canada? I really wanna get it for my fiance but I have no idea if its compatible. Thanks.

Well from what I just looked up...
"Bell Mobility is a CDMA and HSPA+ based wireless network."
and this tells me that the phone runs on "GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS1700, UMTS2100" and "CSD, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSDPA, HSUPA "
So my guess is... No? But I'm not too sure. D: I am not an expert.

Far as I can tell bell uses those 1700 and 2100 umts signals or so I thought. Someone else said they use 850/1900 for hspa which technically could work if the phone is unlocked. Now I'm just really unsure lol
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App

Hmmm know anybody with the phone? I guess that'd be a simple test, haha.

Umts signals MIGHT be compatible, but the gsm signals wouldn't be, which means voice calls likely wouldn't work. UMTS = 3G, and higher number of the two umts's is HSPA. So when you were in an edge/gprs coverage area, you would have no signal. Like I said, voice probably wouldn't work without the gsm bands. Even if the 3G data did work, you'd probably need to unlock your phone.
Short answer, it likely will not work.
Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 3G Slide

Ok sweet thanks for the help

Captivate Glide & Simple Mobile

Hi, I'm about to purchase the Galaxy Captivate Glide right now. I just had one question, will the phone work on Simple Mobile?
Simple Mobile is part of TracFone, which pretty much uses T-Mobile's for the Simple Mobile network.

I think, if you buy an unlocked version, that will be usable on any network.
It works on these type of networks:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100

Just called up Simple Mobile support and they confirmed that the Samsung Captivate Glide works on their network.

Note that it'll work on 2G EDGE, and on re-farmed T-Mobile 1900 MHz spectrum only.

StraightTalk may be a better option. I just got an i927R from NewEgg (Roger's version -- supposed to be unlocked) and it works great on StraightTalk, provided you get the AT&T SIM card. It will work on their HSPA+ network for "4G" (not true 4G).
Also, if you went through NewEgg as well, you may need to get an unlock code... It's apparently still locked to Rogers... It was only $9 for me (and I have a thread for a review on it) and it worked well. If you get a prompt for it, make sure you don't just "guess" something -- after three attempts, your phone cannot be unlocked anymore, apparently.

My brother has the AT&T version of StraightTalk for his Nexus phone, says it's great. I am considering going this route when the contract is up on my Glide (1 year to go from about now), but I thought about doing the T-Mobile version since they seem to have better signal at my house. That's unfortunate the Glide doesn't cover their current 3G (or fake 4G) frequency. Who knows, maybe they'll do more 1900 mhz by this time next year.

euro1990 said:
My brother has the AT&T version of StraightTalk for his Nexus phone, says it's great. I am considering going this route when the contract is up on my Glide (1 year to go from about now), but I thought about doing the T-Mobile version since they seem to have better signal at my house. That's unfortunate the Glide doesn't cover their current 3G (or fake 4G) frequency. Who knows, maybe they'll do more 1900 mhz by this time next year.
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I am using an MVNO that runs ontop of T-Mobile. I am getting 4g on the Glide. This is because T-Mobile has started rolling out it's 1900MHZ network that is compatible with most radios on ATT phones. Lots of iPhones have been getting 3G on T-Mobile lately, along with both my HTC Vivid as well as my Samsung Captivate Glide.
I am in San Jose, CA.
http://airportal.de/ <---- I don't know if I'm allowed to LINK EXTERNALLY, however I'm not doing it for Advertising. This site has a map for sightings of T-Mobile's 1900MHZ network. You can add sightings as well.

Will i get the 4g feel with simple mobile on my glide ?

[Q] Will SGH-T989 (tmobile galaxy s2) work in RUSSIA for 3G internet?

I have a tmobile samsung galaxy s2 which I unlocked (I called tmobile, told them I had to travel overseas so I needed unlock code, and they gave it to me, and I put an att sim card in to unlock it, and unlocked it), but what I am afraid about is the frequencies...
I really need at least 3G internet this summer on my phone, and I will be going to Volgograd, Russia for 2 months. BUT the frequencies of Russian mobile phone carriers are UMTS 900 and 2100. t989 only supports 850, 1700, 1900, 2100 umts. It does NOT support 900. So I am wondering, how does this affect the speed or the coverage of the 3G internet that I will be trying to get?
Btw, I have not rooted my phone or anything. Just unlocked. Do I need to root it? I don't want to break it, and I want to go back to tmobile when I come back, they have really good 4G internet.