I have read at least 50 disinformation type posts on this site about unlocking a branded Xperia (Verizion in my case) they all seem to be wanting me to pay money to Alejandrissimo or Jinx13 but when I click on those hyperlinks they are all "Invalid post" so what am I supposed to be finding here that I missed?
There is not any topic stickied that is describing how to unlock the thing & every article / forum post / google search I find is another disinformation post with no real evidence.
I know how to flash ROM's onto android using recovery loaders.
I know how to access the program menu's in various phones
I know what the CDMA spectrum is.
I'm not some newb making this post because I need my hand held step by step to do something.
I just need some real information
If anyone has a link to a real method or anything helpful please let me know
I have researched (and watched the welcome video) on this site to find an answer and I haven't found anything.
Thanks
-Jon
Ok, so the links to the unlockers in my thread are broken. Does it mean that my post has "disinformation"? Is there any other way to unlock the bootloaders? No to both, as far as I know. I'll try to fix the links, but seriously...
About why my post (or any other helpful resource about the matter) is not stickied, I don't know nor do I care. No one reads stickies anyway.
Logseman said:
Ok, so the links to the unlockers in my thread are broken. Does it mean that my post has "disinformation"? Is there any other way to unlock the bootloaders? No to both, as far as I know. I'll try to fix the links, but seriously...
About why my post (or any other helpful resource about the matter) is not stickied, I don't know nor do I care. No one reads stickies anyway.
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By disinformation it would seem that some exists.
droid-life reported 4 months ago ashergray(XDA) found a method to unlock the bootloader.
Why none of the methods being released or talked about is beyond me.
Also I'm confused why the method is being charged for by others but not officially it would seem.
You have to pm users on the forum to arrange a sale. Why does a topic not exist for this purpose?
All this confusing data is leading to a big headache right now. I was hoping for answers and all I find is rabbit holes on this elusive topic.
Thanks for the reply tho.
Ashergray's method was dried out (it exploited a flaw, and the flaw was fixed).I mention ashergray in the thread, as it is only fitting, in the thanks part.
About why they ask to be contacted privately or publicly, it's their business... Is there something that should be cleared in my thread, aside of the links of course? I mean, I can try to rebuild the first post if necessary.
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Ashergray's method was dried out (it exploited a flaw, and the flaw was fixed).I mention ashergray in the thread, as it is only fitting, in the thanks part.
About why they ask to be contacted privately or publicly, it's their business... Is there something that should be cleared in my thread, aside of the links of course? I mean, I can try to rebuild the first post if necessary.
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You could start off by explaining why in 7 months time the boot loader is sill locked.
Or why your links to the unlock threads are dead. Both of them.
Or how I'm supposed to unlock the bootloader if these users can't provide that service any longer.
Also you could mention why Sony. being developer and hacker supportive hasn't assisted in taking Verizon's clutch off the bootloader
It is rather annoying coming from Droid x where the device is locked down with a fuse but yet a wide array of custom roms exist that bypass the locked bootloader and then coming to this phone that appears to have not progressed beyond hello world.
So you tell me where to look for an unlock because I'm fresh out of searches and ideas.
Thanks
-jon
P.s I also wonder if the exploit you speak of was patched. Why not just flash to an earlier rom with the problem still existing.
You could start off by explaining why in 7 months time the boot loader is sill locked.
Or why your links to the unlock threads are dead. Both of them.
Or how I'm supposed to unlock the bootloader if these users can't provide that service any longer.
Also you could mention why Sony. being developer and hacker supportive hasn't assisted in taking Verizon's clutch off the bootloader
It is rather annoying coming from Droid x where the device is locked down with a fuse but yet a wide array of custom roms exist that bypass the locked bootloader and then coming to this phone that appears to have not progressed beyond hello world.
So you tell me where to look for an unlock because I'm fresh out of searches and ideas.
Thanks
-jon
P.s I also wonder if the exploit you speak of was patched. Why not just flash to an earlier rom with the problem still existing.
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1) I kindly would like to ask how I'm supposed to know why the bootloader is locked. It's a corporate decision by carriers and Sony Ericsson in which neither I, nor anyone in this forum, have any input. If I had any hard data about why Sony Ericsson doesn't cooperate in the issue, I'd say it. However, I just don't know why, and I prefer not to speak of what I don't know.
2) It seems that both threads have been wiped out of existence (which I didn't know until right now), and I see that a new site appears in Alejandrissimo's signature (http://unlock-bootloader.com/) where he's promoting his services externally (not only the unlocking, but the TA fix and hard-brick fix too). I'd guess that somebody complained about these people making business inside XDA, but then I question the idea of wiping their threads like... months afterwards. At any rate, don't worry, you still can unlock your bootloader with Alejandrissimo's help.
3) On Droid X the bootloader was bypassed because Motorola wouldn't ever unlock it. The FreeXperia team, who had bypassed older Xperia models' bootloaders, decided against it as they saw the new policy of Sony Ericsson's (unlocking phones which didn't come with carrier subsidy). I could unlock my bootloader from day one, and I'm happy to say I've helped devs here therethrough.
4) The exploit was related to the website where you could unlock R800i models. In order to unlock your bootloader, you need to give your IMEI number (an ID code for GSM phones). Ashergray could convert MEID numbers used by CDMA phones into bogus IMEI numbers, which could be used to unlock the devices. Sony Ericsson patched the website so ashergray's trick didn't work anymore.
5) My thread is a "how-to", do you really expect me to add points 1), 3) and 4) to it?
4 months is an eternity for this kind of business. Exploits get fixed (look at the PSXperia case), policies change (like HTC's and Motorola's) and threads are wiped on short or no notice.
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1) I kindly would like to ask how I'm supposed to know why the bootloader is locked. It's a corporate decision by carriers and Sony Ericsson in which neither I, nor anyone in this forum, have any input. If I had any hard data about why Sony Ericsson doesn't cooperate in the issue, I'd say it. However, I just don't know why, and I prefer not to speak of what I don't know.
2) It seems that both threads have been wiped out of existence (which I didn't know until right now), and I see that a new site appears in Alejandrissimo's signature where he's promoting his services externally (not only the unlocking, but the TA fix and hard-brick fix too). I'd guess that somebody complained about these people making business inside XDA, but then I question the idea of wiping their threads like... months afterwards. At any rate, don't worry, you still can unlock your bootloader with Alejandrissimo's help.
3) On Droid X the bootloader was bypassed because Motorola wouldn't ever unlock it. The FreeXperia team, who had bypassed older Xperia models' bootloaders, decided against it as they saw the new policy of Sony Ericsson's (unlocking phones which didn't come with carrier subsidy). I could unlock my bootloader from day one, and I'm happy to say I've helped devs here therethrough.
4) The exploit was related to the website where you could unlock R800i models. In order to unlock your bootloader, you need to give your IMEI number (an ID code for GSM phones). Ashergray could convert MEID numbers used by CDMA phones into bogus IMEI numbers, which could be used to unlock the devices. Sony Ericsson patched the website so ashergray's trick didn't work anymore.
5) My thread is a "how-to", do you really expect me to add points 1), 3) and 4) to it?
4 months is an eternity for this kind of business. Exploits get fixed (look at the PSXperia case), policies change (like HTC's and Motorola's) and threads are wiped on short or no notice.
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I've sent you some PM's to remove spam / offtopic / rant from the board.
Thanks for the information tho. I wasn't aware of any of that.
It seems that the name FreeXperia is a bit of a misnomer because my Xperia is going to be locked unless I pay 25$ apparently and thats sad when I only paid 90$ for the phone used. Could have been cheaper if I had bought bad ESN(I probably should have tried)
Imagine my surprise coming from Droid X to this phone where droid X has heaps of ROM's available to everyone for free and now I have to worry about getting this device to function at the same level as my old DX with Gummy JAR rom.
I Just wish the spirit of opensource would be in this sub-forum so we could have some real development in terms of flavors of roms and such.
Do you think their is any reason the developers are all charging fee's to show the method through team viewer? I thought it could have something to do with leaking the method and then it could be fixed in later updates. but then again maybe I'm wrong.
It's not that they "show" you the method. They "perform" the method for you. I'm not sure if you can do it with Omnius as well... but if you can, it will be marginally cheaper (unlocking credits are needed anyway!) and you have no assistance.
And about the old "why charge for open source software" dead horse, which is pointless here because there is no open source software involved (the bootloaders are closed-source, SETool is closed-source, and so on):
The Free Software Foundation said:
“Free software” does not mean “noncommercial.”
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Additionally, as I said before, the FreeXperia team has this policy: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15253598&postcount=217
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It's not that they "show" you the method. They "perform" the method for you. I'm not sure if you can do it with Omnius as well... but if you can, it will be marginally cheaper (unlocking credits are needed anyway!) and you have no assistance.
And about the old "why charge for open source software" dead horse, which is pointless here because there is no open source software involved (the bootloaders are closed-source, SETool is closed-source, and so on):
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Right on. I'm following you thus far.
Question tho. I read that sony was the best company for hackers and developers right now because they actually are allowing people to get access to the bootloaders. If all this is true why are they not assisting in the unlock of branded phones?
I might be wrong on this but aren't most peoples phones branded anyways through buying a contract?
and that leads to why FreeXperia didn't realize that and find an exploit / workaround for the bootloader being locked on branded phones.
If Setool and Omnius (or whatever it's called) are able to unlock the phones then why was sony. the engineer of the device not able to perform this same task?
Also I thought locking the bootloader violates the FCC regulation. open access provision so why didn't Sony assist the FCC to bypass Verizon.
God another douche, you pay 90 bucks for your phone and you think this community owes you something. Go complain to sony.
What do you mean, Sony can't do it? Of course they can. But they have chosen to do so only with R800i non-branded phones. Considering that they locked bootloaders without any official way to unlock them on previous Xperia models, that's a big step forward. That's as far as Sony Ericsson can go: on branded phones, they must obey what the carriers want.
Please do read Bin4ry's statement:
Now think about, if we would try to hack and bypass devices what will happen with future phones? In our opinion future phones will be locked down again like X10 was, eventually even more.
So why don't use the possibilties which are give by SE? Stick to their rules and hope for more support and maybe even nicer implementations (for example a accessable bootpartition from recovery).
We like SE devices, so we don't want to hijack this (i call it) "test" which SE drives with us?
I can fully understand that U.S. users which cannot unlock are quite unhappy with the actual situation, but sorry we will NOT work on anything else than development for officially unlocked devices! That was a team decision.
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Note that this is costing them a lot of flak because they don't use R800x models for testing purposes either, and CM7 has many issues in R800x phones.
Also I thought locking the bootloader violates the FCC regulation. open access provision so why didn't Sony assist the FCC to bypass Verizon.
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If this is correct, sue. I'm sure you'll have backing from everyone here.
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What do you mean, Sony can't do it? Of course they can. But they have chosen to do so only with R800i non-branded phones. Considering that they locked bootloaders without any official way to unlock them on previous Xperia models, that's a big step forward. That's as far as Sony Ericsson can go: on branded phones, they must obey what the carriers want.
Please do read Bin4ry's statement:
Note that this is costing them a lot of flak because they don't use R800x models for testing purposes either, and CM7 has many issues in R800x phones.
If this is correct, sue. I'm sure you'll have backing from everyone here.
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So what your saying is that CM7 is not even worth flashing even if i was unlocked?
I would be better off to root / Titanium backup / delete bloat and be done with it?
Its a shame that they are forcing most people to stay stock SE/Verizon ROM because they are scared of the repercussions of angering SE. I think even if they stay inert that SE will eventually add more DRM to "protect" the devices.
About the lawsuit. I don't believe I'm the first person to mention it. Verizon has already been sued for 25 Million i believe on another occasion and it's been said by others that they are breaking FCC Regulation. The problem would be to get something done about it and I wouldn't have those resources.
The reason for the charge is very simple. In order to unlock our version of the Play (R800x), it takes a hardware dongle and the purchase of credits to allow the software to work. All you are paying Al or whoever for is the cost of the number of credits necessary to unlock your phone. They aren't getting rich off anyone.
If there was another way to unlock the Verizon version, someone would have posted it by now. There isn't, and that's just how it is.
There is a good spirit of free info sharing on this site. You might have to do a little digging but it's there. For example, how to unroot the R800x without having an unlocked bootloader. Takes about a whole 5 minutes to do.
EDIT: I do have to say that after digging around a bit more, I don't blame you for being perturbed. While no one owes us Verizon Play owners anything, there could have been something posted and sticky to make it a bit easier to find out what is going on. And perhaps have had a bit less condescension toward us as well. Must be that UK mentality toward us Colonists!
Re: Droid X vs XPlay development -
Different phones from different brands on different carriers require entirely new learning to develop for, not to mention owning a device to work on. I'd say there's probably only about a dozen people worldwide putting in serious work on this phone.
That's not a lot. If you want more options, you may have to do it yourself.
Related
Visit Groubal and sign the petition: http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
Retweet: http://twitter.com/#!/ibproud/status/52265679990169600
Facebook Page: http://www.facebook.com/unlockmoto
UPDATE (14th June 2011):
We are now over the 10,000 mark.
I have now spoken with Motorola and gotten confirmation that Motorola plan to unlock every device that will get an update in the second half of this year. This will include maintenance & firmware updates, but is still subject to Carrier approval.
The promising sign is that Verizon has already allowed Motorola to unlock a device on their network, the Xoom, which utilizes the unlockable/re-lockable model that Motorola intends on using across their devices.
I'm still looking to work with Motorola in the coming months to help see if we can make this a smooth process for Motorola and the community.
You can read the article here:
http://ausdroid.net/2011/06/14/an-u...witter&utm_campaign=Feed:+ausdroid+(Ausdroid)
Please share this where you can and keep it alive. I will continue to work with Motorola to see if we can get this thing torn wide open.
UPDATE (26th April 2011):
We are now at ~8,700 mark.
Motorola has now responded to me, stating that they are looking at unlocking bootloaders across their devices late 2011.
The article for the story can be found here:
http://ausdroid.net/2011/04/26/the-little-aussie-taking-on-motorola-u-s/#more-8184
We're still seeking clarity around whether this will be for current devices or only future devices.
I couldn't have gotten this far without the support of everyone here. You guys and girls have been a huge support and help me turn this snowball into a wrecking ball.
Please share this where you can and keep it alive. I will continue to work with Motorola to see if we can get this thing torn wide open.
Previous Update (4th April 2011):
We are now at ~7600 mark.
We're starting to slow down from our initial boom, so I have now set up a Facebook page to see if we can wrangle in some supporters that don't use Twitter or XDA.
I will need your help getting this out there. So share the facebook page where you can.
I'm also looking to see if anyone is interested in helping me Moderate the page. Please PM if you are.
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Hi All,
I have created a Groubal (online petition) to get a response from Motorola on it's bootloader policy.
>>This petition started for the Atrix, but I made sure that it was for Motorola's overall Bootloader Policy. I have reached 200 signatures in 2 weeks, but now believe it's time to expand this out of the Atrix space and into the larger Motorola Dev community.
Just signed the petition.
It could be me but non of your links work
How could you sign the petiton dedraks?
spamnco said:
It could be me but non of your links work
How could you sign the petiton dedraks?
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Thanks for the heads up on that. I'll be more careful when copying and pasting links.
Let's try this:
http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
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It could be me but non of your links work
How could you sign the petiton dedraks?
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Use this shor link: http://4by.in/4
Not that it'll make any difference but your petition is more likely to be taken seriously if comments like that of 'rich fraley' weren't included.
Signed, at length...
Step666 said:
Not that it'll make any difference but your petition is more likely to be taken seriously if comments like that of 'rich fraley' weren't included.
Signed, at length...
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Yeah, agreed. I tried seeing if I could at least censor the comment, but no dice.
Thanks for you're support guys. I've always been a big fan of the saying "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar".
Famous idea. You got the sign.
i have signed
Not to kill the cause... but the issue isnt really with motorola... Isnt it with the service providers who would rather have the bootloaders on the phones locked so they can sell us services we could install for free... ie Wi-fi Calling, Tethering..
I think Motorola's hands are tied.. their customers are the service providers.
Would it make more sense to harass t-mobile and the likes over this?
Signed as well.
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Not to kill the cause... but the issue isnt really with motorola... Isnt it with the service providers who would rather have the bootloaders on the phones locked so they can sell us services we could install for free... ie Wi-fi Calling, Tethering..
I think Motorola's hands are tied.. their customers are the service providers.
Would it make more sense to harass t-mobile and the likes over this?
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On all phones that have locked and encrypted bootloaders, I don't think there's been one that couldn't be rooted. Once rooted, you have access to all the Tethering and WiFi Calling apps out there. So it could be the case, but all unlocking the bootloader does is let you use custom kernels that form the base of alternative roms. So bloatware be damned, it can removed fairly quickly and without even touching the bootloader.
It would be more for warranty claims, that's why the padlock picture on the very first screen's the way to go. That way if a phone is damaged due to modification, the carrier/manufacturer can turn you away due to voided warranty.
signed the partition to
i am looking into the legal side of the locked bootloader to see if theirs any loop holes in locking a phone when the manufacture is part of the open handset alliance
but i think the fastest way of the bootloader being unencrypted is to put up a cash reward for the person that unlocks it.
maybe if we can raise £1000 it might spur someone on to go the extra mile
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Not to kill the cause... but the issue isnt really with motorola... Isnt it with the service providers who would rather have the bootloaders on the phones locked so they can sell us services we could install for free... ie Wi-fi Calling, Tethering..
I think Motorola's hands are tied.. their customers are the service providers.
Would it make more sense to harass t-mobile and the likes over this?
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So why is my unlocked/un-branded Defy that is in no way tied to any network also cursed with a locked bootloader?
And if the networks are demanding it, how come not every manufacturer is crippling their handsets in this way?
This is a decision Motorola have made, no-one else.
#UnlockMoto
Thanks :-D
You can also join the #UnlockMoto campain and spread the word on social media networks like Twitter as well as on modding forums and such.
Start by joining the #UnlockMoto Campain for Motorola Unlocked Bootloaders! here: http://twb.ly/UnlockMoto.
Then read: http://bit.ly/UnlockMotoPage
done, signed
signed!!!
Just signed.
adlx.xda said:
Thanks :-D
You can also join the #UnlockMoto campain and spread the word on social media networks like Twitter as well as on modding forums and such.
Start by joining the #UnlockMoto Campain for Motorola Unlocked Bootloaders! here: http://twb.ly/UnlockMoto.
Then read: http://bit.ly/UnlockMotoPage
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Thanks for posting dude, i've been sending out a tweet for the 2 causes.
Retweet:
http://twitter.com/#!/ibproud/status/50306686350655488
Gentlemen,
It was announced that CM7 was going to be officially supported for the XPERIA Play and that Team FreeXperia was going to join the CM7 development team officially.
What does this mean for us users with VZW? Our phones aren't unlockable by normal means and I believe that someone has the unlock codes but is asking for donations.
Are VZW people going to be SOL when CM7 drops? Or are we going to be getting an official word from XPERIA?
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Gentlemen,
It was announced that CM7 was going to be officially supported for the XPERIA Play and that Team FreeXperia was going to join the CM7 development team officially.
What does this mean for us users with VZW? Our phones aren't unlockable by normal means and I believe that someone has the unlock codes but is asking for donations.
Are VZW people going to be SOL when CM7 drops? Or are we going to be getting an official word from XPERIA?
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I think you may have misread where you read that. CM7 is officially supporting the Play, not the other way around. Sony does not support a modded OS on their device.
Once CM7 drops you will need to still unlock it as is, then you can load up CM7 instead of one of the other system images.
Here is the situation as I know it (which might be horribly wrong).
It was announced that the VZW unlock codes had been cracked. What had actually happened was that they found a security hole in a SE website that was handing out valid codes but wasn't actually supposed to be working for VZW phones. They said they'd have a permanent solution later and would individually give people their codes if asked. Unfortunately they really never could have had a permanent solution other then make the SE website hand out every single possible code and they would capture it. They had started work on this exact thing but....
Another dev stumbled across the same security hole but wasn't as circumspect in his pounding of the website. SE noticed they had the hole and then closed it. So nobody could use this method ever again.
Now, there is still the officially supported way to unlock the phones but this requires hardware and token purchases directly from SE. There is a thread where Alejandrissimo will do this for you remotely. Since it costs money and time to do this he charges for the service. I have never seen a single complaint about his service and hope that he continues to do so until I ever get off my lazy butt and decide I *need* my phone unlocked.
VZW seems like they will never ever directly support rooting the phone so your current choices are to use the pay method (either yourself by buying software/hardware or via Alejandrissimo), wait and hope that a real crack appears or wait and hope that another hole is found somewhere else.
Personally, I'm waiting until I find a real need for it. At that point I hope that there is still some way to unlock the phone. Right now the only thing I'd do is remove bloatware, but it doesn't really bother me that much right now and my memory is tight but isn't completely used up yet either.
So, if you want to install CM7 right now or in the immediate future, your only choice that I know of is Alejandrissimo or somebody else using SETool. As for doing it yourself or with support from VZW ... you're SOL.
jim that is how I understand it also, as I mainly lurk around here to see the latest developments. Your post is exactly how I feel.
Coming from a rooted Eris to a non rooted phone has been different. So far the phone is great but not sure I will be able to stay with it until 4/2013 when my upgrade is due.
Wow totally meant that to be team freexperia on the end of the first post.
I didn't realize that that was the case with the VZW unlock codes, which makes sense. I'll have to do some digging then and get in touch with alejandrissimo
Now that I'm less retarded, I can go on with my life.
I have been reading all the threads about the bootloader in the 2011 SE Xperia handsets (Arc, Play etc) and from what I have read, here is what I can understand:
1.Some Play/Arc/etc handsets come with an option in the firmware that allows you to visit a SE web site and get an "unlock code" that then allows you to unlock the bootloader and flash new kernels and whatever.
2.Other handsets (mostly those sold by carriers) do not have this option
3.Various people have been working on a solution to allow unlocking of the not-unlockable handsets (and also the unlockable handsets in a way that allowed certain SE official apps like track id to keep working)
4.Progress was made and it looked like various people were going to post free solutions to unlock the bootloader and allow fastboot oem unlock to work (and hence custom kernels etc)
5.The people who figured out how to unlock them stopped working on a free solution and started offering a for-pay solution.
My questions are this:
1.Is there in fact a solution to unlock these phones?
2.Does the solution in fact cost money or is there a free option?
and 3.If the solution costs money, can anyone tell me why the developers are charging for it instead of giving it away for free? (everyone I see on e.g. HTC forums or the like with such solutions have given it away for free and posted full steps and etc so why is the SE stuff different?)
1. Yes there's a solution and people has used it.
2. Yes it does cost a little cash to unlock sim/carrier locked plays.
3. It cost money cuz the tools the devs are using cost's them money/credits to use. SE's phones are constructed differently than HTC's phones and they probably stopped cuz it wasn't doable or would take to much work?
Afaik they don't make any dough on this and even if they did make a small amount it's ok by me. They put in the work for us in a lot of other development for free
Regards Dousan...
The only two solutions to bootloader unlock factory locked phones are omnius and SEtool. Both these services require "credits" to use. The people offering the unlocks are not charging for personal gain. They are just covering there own overheads.
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And in my opinion, for unlocking the true potential of the phone, the fee I paid (as well as many other users) is very much worth it.
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Ok so how come no-one has tried to come up with a free solution that bypasses these for-pay options? Or is everyone satisfied enough with the for-pay solutions that there is no interest in a free option?
Or is the fact that unlocking the bootloader also removes the carrier lock as a side effect a factor here?
Not trying to harp on anyone here, just wondering why the hackers (who normally tend to try and break as many limitations as possible) have given up on trying to find a proper free solution...
Things take time to hack. They probably just need time to find an easy enough way of doing something that doesn't infringe copyright and such. Just a guess
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Ok so how come no-one has tried to come up with a free solution that bypasses these for-pay options? Or is everyone satisfied enough with the for-pay solutions that there is no interest in a free option?
Or is the fact that unlocking the bootloader also removes the carrier lock as a side effect a factor here?
Not trying to harp on anyone here, just wondering why the hackers (who normally tend to try and break as many limitations as possible) have given up on trying to find a proper free solution...
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I doubt any of the serious devs will bother now sony seems to be supporting them, sony recently gave the CM team some free phones to help them develop there custom roms. Why bite the hand that feeds you eh?
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I know it doesn't sound very good, but what does it cost you to register an account and make a post...?
https ://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/62548
To whom it may concern,
I'm writing to ask for your favor - Please provide us, some enterprising Defy (MB525) owners, a way to unlock the bootloader.
Rationale:
1. You are providing means to unlock the bootloader on many newer devices already, and it shouldn't cost you much to provide us a mean to unlock the Defy as well.
2. The warranty of many of our Defy devices is expiring, so even if we brick our devices, we couldn't file a warranty claim anyway.
3. The Defy is the 2nd most popular devices running CyanogenMod according to http ://stats.cyanogenmod.com/, so we have a huge following.
4. If you allow us to unlock the bootloader, we will consider it as a gesture of goodwill and will be more willing to recommend our families and friends to buy Motorola devices in future.
5. Many other manufacturers have started to unlock their bootloaders and by comparison, Motorola is doing very poorly and has a bad image in our mind.
6. Many of us bought the Defy without any carrier subsidy.
7. Come on! Give us a Christmas gift, okay?
Thanks very much for your attention.
A Defy Owner
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Thats like writing to the president. 0% progress
Well at least we can say we tried.
defy_owner said:
I know it doesn't sound very good, but what does it cost you to register an account and make a post...?
https ://supportforums.motorola.com/thread/62548
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I hate these posts about "Motorola unlocking bootloader". I'm not sure many know, but Mororola is fine with unlocking the bootloader, it is the carrier that isn't.
Sony Ericsson
That statistic does show thought, that nearly 49000 defy owners are dissatisfied with the stock rom, that should be something for them to look at.
they cant update their product
and wont even let us do it ourselves, what kind of logic is that?
so its the carriers problem yes? why aren't the unlocked (no carrier plan) with an open bootloader? use your brain will ya
BravoMotorola said:
I hate these posts about "Motorola unlocking bootloader". I'm not sure many know, but Mororola is fine with unlocking the bootloader, it is the carrier that isn't.
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Many of us Defy owners outside of the US bought the phone without any carrier subsidy.
US <> The world.
Thx.
And read pt.6, BTW.
Comeon, if we have a 100-page thread that may do something.
100 page thread on Motorola's peer to peer support forum = waste of time
Hi guys,
The project cheesecake thread is meant strictly for develpment where it is being researched how to unlock the bootloader of Defy. Hence anything other than dev should be kept outside or the thread gets spammed!
Lets continue the discusion here. I will try my best to keep updating the status here once a day. But owing to my schedule that may not be possible at times!
How and why to sue?:
We as owners of the device got full right for it and Moto by locking away the bootloaders is keeping us from using our device to the fullest! A detailed discussion is here in Moto forum which is worth a read.
See 47 CFR Sec. 15.21." in Page 63 of this document.
26-7: In India we may approach Consumer Forum.
Spamming links:
You can mention how much the Defy/Defy+ is used for dev and show this link to CM status (jordan/umts_jordan leads!)
Motorola community discussion for unlocking bootloader.
Facebook page and this post there
I think that we should try to interest some institution in the European Union. European Union draws attention to the rights of consumers. And the locked bootloader restricts the rights of users. We have "open" system - Android, bu we can use only versions from Motorola. The European Union may request Motorola to unlock the bootloader.
All these suing Motorola conversations are bs.
Motorola created device and sells it as is. Not being able to install latest and greatest does not restrict you to use phone's advertised features.
You can gain absolutely nothing by suing Motorola, because there is nothing illegal in not offering an ability to unlock bootloader. Not in Europe, not in India, China, etc.
yackoo said:
I think that we should try to interest some institution in the European Union. European Union draws attention to the rights of consumers. And the locked bootloader restricts the rights of users. We have "open" system - Android, bu we can use only versions from Motorola. The European Union may request Motorola to unlock the bootloader.
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You can gain absolutely nothing by suing Motorola, because there is nothing illegal in not offering an ability to unlock bootloader. Not in Europe, not in India, China, etc.
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Ok, but what about the public promise - Motorola said they will remove the lock. This kind of announcement could encourage many users to purchase products of Motorola. But bootloader are still locked - the company deliberately misled customers. It is an unlawful act (providing false information about a product, which may affect the decision to purchase). Anyone who bought a Motorola product after the bootloader announcement, you may feel cheated.
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Ok, but what about the public promise - Motorola said they will remove the lock. This kind of announcement could encourage many users to purchase products of Motorola. But bootloader are still locked - the company deliberately misled customers. It is an unlawful act (providing false information about a product, which may affect the decision to purchase). Anyone who bought a Motorola product after the bootloader announcement, you may feel cheated.
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Do you have any copy of the public promise?! Will add it to the first post
Excellent.
Go ahead you are with us!
yackoo said:
Ok, but what about the public promise - Motorola said they will remove the lock. This kind of announcement could encourage many users to purchase products of Motorola. But bootloader are still locked - the company deliberately misled customers. It is an unlawful act (providing false information about a product, which may affect the decision to purchase). Anyone who bought a Motorola product after the bootloader announcement, you may feel cheated.
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Jep, this makes far more sense to me than suing just because the bootloader is locked. Motorola is not the only brand that sells locked devices.
Also, if this still doesn't work, maybe talking to Google about the broken promise would help since they own Motorola now and they seem to have a more "open" policy than Motorola.
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Ok, but what about the public promise - Motorola said they will remove the lock. This kind of announcement could encourage many users to purchase products of Motorola. But bootloader are still locked - the company deliberately misled customers. It is an unlawful act (providing false information about a product, which may affect the decision to purchase). Anyone who bought a Motorola product after the bootloader announcement, you may feel cheated.
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The public promise has no legal value. You can't sue Motorola for that, niether can you sue them for not unlocking the bootloader as Aed0101 said.
Regarding the law, they are in their full right and this class-action lawsuit idea will go nowhere at all. Just cut all this bull**** about the locked bootloader and move on...
Trust me, i want the bootloader unlocked just as much as you do. Either we do it ourselves eventually, either we never have one. End of story.
Motorola Defy, CM7 @ 1Ghz + CM9 multiboot
[Guide] Install double boot CM7 + CM9
[Guide][Root needed] Unsimlock your Defy
[Mod/Fix][APP]Messaging apps with ENTER button enabled!
Wow! You mean to tell me you know every obscure law regarding consumer products in every country that Motorola sells it's products? I'm impressed!
If someone thinks that they can find a crack in Moto's armor, let them. Who knows what we can gain by it. They just want to find a way to help our devs but maybe, don't know how to program.
crakeron said:
The public promise has no legal value.
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I can't agree with that. We are talking about important functionality. Imagine, that the manufacturer says "next update will add feature X". You are looking for a device with such a function and you select Motorola - because he has to have this feature. After a while Motorola forget about the "problem". This is not a promise made by Mr. Smith, but by a huge corporation. It's a big difference.
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I can't agree with that. We are talking about important functionality. Imagine, that the manufacturer says "next update will add feature X". You are looking for a device with such a function and you select Motorola - because he has to have this feature. After a while Motorola forget about the "problem". This is not a promise made by Mr. Smith, but by a huge corporation. It's a big difference.
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I agree with this comment!
Motorola has said they will start releasing tools to unlock bootloaders for its devices, started with Photon Q
http://androidcommunity.com/motorola-finally-unlocking-bootloaders-for-real-this-time-20120726/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=Connectandroid
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Motorola photon Q has boot loader unlocked..motorola announced
Maybe moto will say something like Defy is too old well only unlock new phones... motorola style loll
It has nothing to do with legal knowledge. It´s just common sense. Unfortunately, not everybody have it.
I guess the only way to gain something (if possible at all) is contacting both Motorola and Google.
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Wow! You mean to tell me you know every obscure law regarding consumer products in every country that Motorola sells it's products? I'm impressed!
If someone thinks that they can find a crack in Moto's armor, let them. Who knows what we can gain by it. They just want to find a way to help our devs but maybe, don't know how to program.
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yackoo said:
Ok, but what about the public promise - Motorola said they will remove the lock. This kind of announcement could encourage many users to purchase products of Motorola.
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Moto never "promised" anything to unlock booloaders. In 2011 they said:
"In terms of your question – we completely understand the operator requirement for security to the end user, and as well, want to support the developer communities desire to use these products as a development platform. It is our intention to enable the unlockable/relockable bootloader currently found on Motorola XOOM across our portfolio of devices starting in late 2011, where carriers and operators will allow it.”
So, just an Intention to unlock where carriers and operators allow it. Trust me, a law suit is useless.
nidhish91 said:
Motorola has said they will start releasing tools to unlock bootloaders for its devices, started with Photon Q
http://androidcommunity.com/motorol...?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=Connectandroid
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Now this is getting interesting! This announcement deserves a new topic. I advise to do some spamming here:
http://community.developer.motorola...ader-discussion-board/td-p/22108?pubid=987654
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So, just an Intention to unlock where carriers and operators allow it.
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There are smartphones with unlocked bootloaders in European market. So carriers are not problem - unless we assume that carriers prohibit removing the lock only in devices of Motorola. But this is impossible.
Now this is getting interesting! This announcement deserves a new topic. I advise to do some spamming here:
http://community.developer.motorola...ader-discussion-board/td-p/22108?pubid=987654
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Agreed! Defy has to be the second phone on their list, and spamming the forum maybe improves the chances of getting it there
Also, contacting Google could help. Maybe post it as official Android issue? Even if its specific to just one device, I've already seen things which were specific to other phones aswell.
Motorola sucks so bad We just want an unlocked bootloader, I don't think it's such a big task for them. We didn't even ask for official 4.0/4.1, we just want our bootloader unlocked...
When spamming Moto forums, post a link to the Cyanogenmod install stats page so they can see that Defy is in top 5 in all time installations of CM