Would it be any way possible to get android (froyo) on the kin two? Its a really nice phone, not to mention that it doesn't require a data plan from verizon . I dont care that wifi is needed for internet access just that android on this thing would make it amazing. I am pretty decent at computers and stuff so if I know how to root it I may be able to develop my own software for it based on another package....
That is a wonderful idea and I would like to help you procced. The problems are we dont know how to boot the KIN into recovery. If we can figure this out were home free. Feel free to ask and Ill do anything to help.
controol shift r b i think its on the forums somewhere
Thats to reset to the origonal KIN software not a recovery mode.
How about APX Mode?
WEM97 said:
Thats to reset to the origonal KIN software not a recovery mode.
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How about APX mode does that help?
Why would someone want android on it? i highly doubt its processor could handle it.
DustinWolf said:
Why would someone want android on it? i highly doubt its processor could handle it.
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According to Wikipedia the Kin has a Freescale i. MX31L processor ARM Core nVidia Tegra APX 2600, which is dated now,but if it were to be hacked it could most likely run Froyo and/or Gingerbread (maybe). And according to documentation found on Android website, the Kin fits the profile for Gingerbread.
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Hey guys, how is it going?
After making myself comfortable with this new phone and Samsung technology (although i still consider myself noobish), the worst thing i've seen around here is that many new SGS devices don't have the 3-btn-combo to go into Download mode.
My device has the Download Mode, but i've seen around here that newer SGS don't!!!
However, i think that Samsung arch. designers would not release it in a way where this mode is unaccessible!
So the question is, how can we enable the 3-button-combo boot to go into the Download mode? Guys, this makes SGS almost unbrickable, and, there must be a way to do this (i'm even considering hardware piece)
I consider this almost top-priority, even though my hardware has this mode enabled..
What do you think?
Hope to hear some brainstorming, crazy ideas or just suggestions to build alien pieces of hardware in order to solve this
Cheers,
Phk
Samsung is supposedly going to release and update to "Fix" this problem soon. There should be a thread for this somewhere or check the Samsung Mobile Canada Facebook page.
Phk said:
Hey guys, how is it going?
After making myself comfortable with this new phone and Samsung technology (although i still consider myself noobish), the worst thing i've seen around here is that many new SGS devices don't have the 3-btn-combo to go into Download mode.
My device has the Download Mode, but i've seen around here that newer SGS don't!!!
However, i think that Samsung arch. designers would not release it in a way where this mode is unaccessible!
So the question is, how can we enable the 3-button-combo boot to go into the Download mode? Guys, this makes SGS almost unbrickable, and, there must be a way to do this (i'm even considering hardware piece)
I consider this almost top-priority, even though my hardware has this mode enabled..
What do you think?
Hope to hear some brainstorming, crazy ideas or just suggestions to build alien pieces of hardware in order to solve this
Cheers,
Phk
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=779982
I have posted in the thread mentioned in the above post on this matter, but to answer the topic of enabling it, first we need someone to tell us where in the system this function is stored, is it actually coded into the hardware itself, or is it simply software related? If the latter, i'm sure it's only a matter of time before it gets hunted down by someone? Take the unlock codes stored in the system for instance, somebody found that pretty quick!!
That thing was disabled by Samsung. But, the there are no problems in the international variant, which one is yours?
BTW. Here's a Video on How To Boot into Download Mode.. on any android..
Utkarsh.bhatt12 said:
That thing was disabled by Samsung. But, the there are no problems in the international variant, which one is yours?
BTW. Here's a Video on How To Boot into Download Mode.. on any android..
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You just resurrected a 2 year old thread. :thumbup:
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i know there isnt a root for the evo with 2.3 yet but im just curious why not
If you think you can do it..by all means...it takes a lot of work to find a root. Ways that use to work get fixed by companies...basically it boils down to detective work which cannot have a time table and takes a incredible amount of patience and brainpower..along with luck. Basically it boils down to finding a exploit...a way to somehow get foot in door...then once that is done...exploring the exploit for options to elevate privileges to get temp or permanent root. How they do this takes time..and a lot of tinkering. And once the root method is out...companies fix it and the game starts all over again.
ok cus i was just wondering if htc blocked it for some reason
Companies do block it..but mostly for security reasons..the same exploits used for rooting also can be used for malware and some nasty other type of software...spyware and so on.
ok thanks i was under the assumption that thats the best part of android, to you know mess with it and mold it and hack it .....thats why android is suppose to be better then apple as well as different....oh well we cant have everything
thanks for clearing it up though
as its been said, this stuff takes time, and luck, and sometimes not even that works,,
i believe they have made some progress, monitor the irc channel yourself during nights and you can see some chatter about it, but it looks like its not quite ready and/or stable as of yet, though i hear the hboot problem has already been beaten...
we shall see, just be patient and try to not make the mods work more by asking this questions in a separate thread, you could have very well asked this in one of the other ones talking about this
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ok thanks i was under the assumption that thats the best part of android, to you know mess with it and mold it and hack it .....thats why android is suppose to be better then apple as well as different....oh well we cant have everything
thanks for clearing it up though
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I wouldn't call it a part of Android since every non-Nexus/dev Android phones required the exploitation of the software for root to be possible.
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Actually I think its all non samsung phones. But of course I could be totally wrong.
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ok thanks i was under the assumption that thats the best part of android, to you know mess with it and mold it and hack it .....thats why android is suppose to be better then apple as well as different....oh well we cant have everything
thanks for clearing it up though
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Android itself is open, but any phone that the carriers and manufacturers have control over generally gets locked down. The Nexus phones are the notable exception, and are intended for use by developers and tinkerers. In particular, the bootloader is locked down to prevent you from tinkering. However, there's been a big push to get manufacturers to release their phones in way where the bootloader can easily be unlocked. Many have stated they will move in this direction, but it's a recent development. I'm also still not fully convinced the carriers won't try and succeed in blocking it, but getting the manufacturers to commit to it is a great start.
Until then, we have to rely on an exploit, which for almost all versions of almost all phones, they've been able to do. But it isn't necessarily easy. You still have FAR more customization and tinkering opportunities on Android even without an unlocked bootloader, but once you have that, yes, you can tinker with Android in ways you couldn't even imagine with Apple.
I don't see how this is legal. We're paying on average $300-$500 for phones, that are mini-computers. I can pay that for a laptop and get a mobile usb stick for it on the same carrier, and I have many options of Operation Systems to put on said laptop, even though it's an HP, or a Dell, or a Chinese Knockoff.
Same with Sony and XboX, such Bullcrap!
Is there anyone who has made any headway in their research on cracking or unlocking the bootloader? My short research confirms that it is using a 256-bit encryption algorithm, but I've not identified the algorithm used, nor do I think it would matter, as I really have no intention of doing a cryptanalysis on something that strong and I doubt anyone else would, either. Out of curiousity, though: anyone know offhand?
I'm curious to know what methods you guys are attempting to employ and what, if any, other research has already been done. I'd like to help, where I can.
**** if i knew more about it id take a crack at it but unfortunately i lack the skills required. Guess its time to learn huh.
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Is there anyone who has made any headway in their research on cracking or unlocking the bootloader? My short research confirms that it is using a 256-bit encryption algorithm, but I've not identified the algorithm used, nor do I think it would matter, as I really have no intention of doing a cryptanalysis on something that strong and I doubt anyone else would, either. Out of curiousity, though: anyone know offhand?
I'm curious to know what methods you guys are attempting to employ and what, if any, other research has already been done. I'd like to help, where I can.
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Vache and I worked on it yesterday for about 6 hours. We didn't get it cracked yet but we are making progress. Don't bother with trying to get your SBK (secure boot key) because A: you won't be able to crack the encryption & B: we have a "secret" way to extract it from the tablet (shhhhh!) (and no, we won't share it just yet, sorry )
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Vache and I worked on it yesterday for about 6 hours. We didn't get it cracked yet but we are making progress. Don't bother with trying to get your SBK (secure boot key) because A: you won't be able to crack the encryption & B: we have a "secret" way to extract it from the tablet (shhhhh!) (and no, we won't share it just yet, sorry )
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Ahh. Yes, it looks like I noticed vache's call for test in the ROOTED thread a bit late, sent him a PM a couple hours ago.
If you guys need another "Linux guy" or a fresh set of eyes, feel free to PM me. I'll keep poking about the system on my own, in the mean time, as well. Good luck on the research!
This is great news!
This is awesome. Keep up the good work.
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Vache and I worked on it yesterday for about 6 hours. We didn't get it cracked yet but we are making progress. Don't bother with trying to get your SBK (secure boot key) because A: you won't be able to crack the encryption & B: we have a "secret" way to extract it from the tablet (shhhhh!) (and no, we won't share it just yet, sorry )
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reallllyy appreciate the times you guys are putting into this.
I'm curious how the bootloader is different from the acer iconia a500? If it is not, couldn't we use the same technique from there?
will this thing never gonna get unlocked?
i think i should just sell that piece of ****
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will this thing never gonna get unlocked?
i think i should just sell that piece of ....
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Go for it, the Developers of the XDA community don't owe you anything and if this is how you are going to help (by complaining) then you are better off selling this wonderful device. Patience is a key thing with this device, just like the atrix its just a matter of time.
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I'm curious how the bootloader is different from the acer iconia a500? If it is not, couldn't we use the same technique from there?
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Yes, different bootloader, due to both having different versions of hc. The A100 is newer, has newer programming, and leaves us with a different place to start. I myself have tried putting every single script of my A100 into an emulator on my PC to attempt to "reverse engineer" the bootloader to try to decrypt it, but that was unsuccessful for many reasons.
ummmmm............ could you repeat that?
Rather new to androids but I would consider myself a Linux guru. I just picked up an A100 on an open box sale and I would like to get involved in cracking the bootloader on this device. I am a professional low level developer and I have contributed to the development of several major open source projects including Gentoo and Fedora.
I also own a new Samsung Nexus S. Whose working on this now? Is there anything you need help with?
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I also own a new Samsung Nexus S. Whose working on this now? Is there anything you need help with?
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Our biggest challenge with this device is the 256bit encrypted bootloader from hell.. if you know a cryptologist, or some one at acer, that would help a ton
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I tried not cracking the bootloader but loading a second init. This proved beyond my skills. I am more a infrastructure and SQL guy then developer.
I would love to have this thing cracked open but I must say with a few tweeks this is a fast stable tablet. I do not know what I would want changed other then the native bluetooth PAN menu.
I just received my a100 from best buy, order placed on black friday.
I would love to see the bootloader cracked.
Keep up the good work guys.
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I for one would love to see some development on the a100! If there is anything I can do to help just let me know. Im not a dev but I have been tinkering since ms-dos in 1982, and I am very eager to see some development on this tablet, especially usb host mode. good luck!!
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I tried not cracking the bootloader but loading a second init. This proved beyond my skills. I am more a infrastructure and SQL guy then developer.
I would love to have this thing cracked open but I must say with a few tweeks this is a fast stable tablet. I do not know what I would want changed other then the native bluetooth PAN menu.
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That's the route Im going as well, so far I've compiled 2nd-init and it runs, but it crashes right after initalizing the memory and reboots the tablet (I dont think I have the correct memory address of init for the hook to work properly so it reboots the device). I've also tried log's kexec hack and I dont think it works. Asks for a kernel to load, which I dont have but, I dont think our current kernel supports kexec, so a module would have to be compiled for it. Im no kernel developer (I understand how they work, and how to mod an existing one, but building onne from scratch not so much). With kexec, it requires a special kernel the starts up where your current kernel resides in memory, so it would be harder to get working than 2nd-init.
cracking the encryption
I am not sure what type of file this is but I am fairly experienced with cracking and have access to a small render farm with plenty of gpu power and john the ripper installed. I could give it a go at cracking the password. let me know if I can help.
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I am not sure what type of file this is but I am fairly experienced with cracking and have access to a small render farm with plenty of gpu power and john the ripper installed. I could give it a go at cracking the password. let me know if I can help.
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You can't really brute force this kind of thing, we need to use some sort of exploit, would take millions of years or something like that.
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You can't really brute force this kind of thing, we need to use some sort of exploit, would take millions of years or something like that.
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I have brute forced a lot before its worth a shot, I wouldn't say its our best shot but it's worth a look and gives me something to occupy my time.
Title is the question. Please no negative/hate towards W10M, for which I am saying don't even reply. You would have to experience Windows Phone for 1+ year to even get a say to feel what i feel about windows OS. Android is still ugly lol. Anyways this is my "Opinion" on this matter.
I only want to know if it even is possible to do such thing for which this phone hardware is compatible for the features it has with the OS. Just the matter of drivers? I'm no software developer but is why i am asking you guys of possibilities of this happening or not.
Thanks!
Shawn
Not...
As you said drivers are a big issue... You might get away with the generic drivers for audio and video, might, but you will probably need specific drivers for the modem so goodbye phone hello pda...
More than likely it just won't boot...
You'd think with all these phones being released that have nearly the same chips (such as SD820 etc...) and antennas... but at same time would think W10M would be just like PC version, download needed drivers to operate the hardware lol.. But just what every company wants, to make everything different from each other to make more money.
Yep, that's what it's all about... To make $$$$...
This is a followup to an earlier post in another area and I've been advised I'd be better served to ask it over here in this area of the forum subset...
(Warning: Antique Phone Issues) - Moto Droid Turbo 2 Firmware update(Nougat 7.0)
I have perused the forums here and there seems to be some answers, but I am a noob, so I am trying to clarify some stuff for my own knowledge. I am NOT a developer and know an insignificant amount of info on phone rooting, bootloading, etc. This...
forum.xda-developers.com
I followed the basic steps provided and my PC doesn't see the phone connected to it, even after I've done the steps and uploaded the Motorola drivers, LMSA, etc on the PC. I am just dumb(again) and really don't know wtf I'm doing with this software/phone so before I brick it, I wondered if anyone would be interested in updating the software in my phone for a nominal fee? Common sense tells me that those that do this regularly can probably do this in a matter of a few minutes. If you are local(Indpls, IN), I can bring it to you, but I really don't want to spend a lot of money dicking around with an old phone. I hate to throw away this good(but old) phone, but Is there any interest in something like this? I am really fighting my common sense here and probably should just be getting rid of it and moving on. Thoughts?
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This is a followup to an earlier post in another area and I've been advised I'd be better served to ask it over here in this area of the forum subset...
(Warning: Antique Phone Issues) - Moto Droid Turbo 2 Firmware update(Nougat 7.0)
I have perused the forums here and there seems to be some answers, but I am a noob, so I am trying to clarify some stuff for my own knowledge. I am NOT a developer and know an insignificant amount of info on phone rooting, bootloading, etc. This...
forum.xda-developers.com
I followed the basic steps provided and my PC doesn't see the phone connected to it, even after I've done the steps and uploaded the Motorola drivers, LMSA, etc on the PC. I am just dumb(again) and really don't know wtf I'm doing with this software/phone so before I brick it, I wondered if anyone would be interested in updating the software in my phone for a nominal fee? Common sense tells me that those that do this regularly can probably do this in a matter of a few minutes. If you are local(Indpls, IN), I can bring it to you, but I really don't want to spend a lot of money dicking around with an old phone. I hate to throw away this good(but old) phone, but Is there any interest in something like this? I am really fighting my common sense here and probably should just be getting rid of it and moving on. Thoughts?
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Windows 10?
might work easier if the Phone is in fastboot mode first.
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Windows 10?
might work easier if the Phone is in fastboot mode first.
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Sorry, I forgot to udpate on the OS. It's old Windows 7(trying to keep it simple) and I tried to do the fastboot mode mode and it didn't seem to see it even after that. The phone doesnt acknowledge that it is in fast boot mode though when it turns on(does it normally say something?) after doing it. I am positive I'm an idiot and doing it wrong.
I am also wondering if there is possibly something wrong with the motherboard because the phone doesn't advise it is on a 'quick charger'(OEM Motorola cable and power supply) when I plug it in. It seems to charge just fine though. Weird...
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Sorry, I forgot to udpate on the OS. It's old Windows 7(trying to keep it simple) and I tried to do the fastboot mode mode and it didn't seem to see it even after that. The phone doesnt acknowledge that it is in fast boot mode though when it turns on(does it normally say something?) after doing it. I am positive I'm an idiot and doing it wrong.
I am also wondering if there is possibly something wrong with the motherboard because the phone doesn't advise it is on a 'quick charger'(OEM Motorola cable and power supply) when I plug it in. It seems to charge just fine though. Weird...
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Is this a Verizon-branded device?
Yes, I did follow the Verizon specific instructions too.
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Yes, I did follow the Verizon specific instructions too.
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So you are using this? http://www.motorola.com/VerizonSoftwareUpdateWin
Correct...
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Correct...
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Try the regular LSMA version
Sorry if you have Windows 7 you might as well use
RSD Lite
Will do. Thank you...
DId you try these drivers?
Where can I download the USB drivers for my device?| Motorola Support US
Visit the customer support page to view user guides, FAQs, bluetooth pairing, software downloads, drivers, tutorials and to get repair and contact us information.Where can I download the USB drivers for my device?
mobilesupport.lenovo.com
I am sure that you are a guru at this type of thing(obviously) and could build your own phone with all the knowledge you've gained, but I've been fooling with this phone most of the day and am getting nowhere. I am to the point that I would either dump it or send it to you and let you do your magic. Would you want to piddle around with it? I am just too computer illiterate to make this work apparently.
Don't feel like you have to do this or give any more advice. I'm about tapped out now on jacking with this thing and just have to know my limits. I can fix any car(or truck) as I am a former ASE mechanic, but this damm phone has me beat...